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Posted By: MJM

Something else - 07/23/21 03:38 PM

Plague kills 10-year-old in La Plata County
CDPHE said that plague is caused by bacteria that can be transmitted to humans by the bites of infected fleas or by direct contact with infected animals.

If detected early in infection, plague is treatable in both people and pets. Symptoms include the sudden onset of high fever and/or swollen lymph nodes, according to CDPHE.

“In Colorado, we expect to have fleas test positive for plague during the summer months. Awareness and precautions can help prevent the disease in people. While it’s rare for people to contract plague, we want to make sure everyone knows the symptoms. The disease is treatable if caught early. Let a medical provider know if you think you have symptoms of plague or if you think you’ve been exposed,” said Jennifer House, Deputy State Epidemiologist and Public Health Veterinarian for CDPHE.

Here are some helpful tips from CDPHE:

Avoid fleas. Protect pets with a veterinary approved flea treatment and keep them on a leash and out of wild rodent habitats.
Stay out of areas where wild rodents live. If you enter areas inhabited by wild rodents, wear insect repellent and tuck your pant cuffs into your socks to prevent flea bites.
Avoid all contact with wild rodents, including squirrels. Do not feed or handle them.
Do not touch sick or dead animals.
Prevent rodent infestations around your house by clearing plants and materials away from outside walls, reducing access to food items, and setting traps.
Consult with a professional pest control company to treat the area around your home for fleas.
Contact a veterinarian if your pet becomes ill with a high fever and/or an abscess (i.e. open sore) or swollen lymph nodes. Pets with plague can transmit the illness to humans.
Children should be aware of these precautions and know to tell an adult if they have had contact with a wild animal or were bitten by fleas.
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 03:40 PM

Ever read up on the hantavirus? It literally kills 10 or 12 hours faster than it can be diagnosed.
Posted By: adam m

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 03:46 PM

Plague and hantavirus are common here in the sw. Numerous cases of people getting both and dying from both every year. Hantavirus is nasty because it's airborne.
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 03:48 PM

Adam, is there actually a cure for either one or do you just keep bending over until you can kiss your own (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) goodbye?
Posted By: warrior

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 03:52 PM

I believe plague responds to some antibiotics don't know on antivirals and hanta. But I understand both are fast movers and early detection and treatment is priority.

I may be totally wrong though I do have an interest in zoonotics obviously.
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 04:01 PM

Not that I know much Warrior, but from what I think I know about the Hantavirus guys in your profession in the SW would be at a big risk. Also, plumbers and HVAC guys who need to get around crawl spaces on their belly would be putting themselves in a great position to encounter it. The cases that I have read up on, the ERs have failed to diagnose it- the medical examiner finds out what happened after it is too late to do anything for the patient.

That is scary fast
Posted By: MJM

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 04:16 PM

Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome (HPS) is a life-threatening illness caused by the genus hantaviruses. The case fatality rate ranges from thirty-five to fifty percent. There are five pathogenic hantaviruses responsible for disease in the United States: Sin Nombre hantavirus, New York virus, Monongahela virus, Black Creek Canal virus, and Bayou virus. Sin Nombre hantavirus causes most cases in the United States. Deer mice are the primary reservoir for Sin Nombre virus. Cotton rats, rice rats, and the white-footed mouse also carry the pathogen. Individuals become ill after inhaling or otherwise coming into contact with contaminated rodent droppings or saliva. Over ninety-six of cases in the United States were in states west of the Rocky mountains. The virus is transmitted among rats who bite each other but does not cause disease in the rodent. Reveal the symptoms of hantavirus pulmonary syndrome now.
Posted By: cmcf

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 04:21 PM

And Ft. Collins looks like it was built in a prairie dog town.
Posted By: Bigfoot

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 04:39 PM

Its only a matter of time before plague rears its head again . When it sweeps through the slums of the urban areas of the world it will be bad . Many like to think that we are to clean for that to happen again but I suspect that it just mutated to a form not as transmissible or the rodents developed a resistance to it .what ever the reason it dosnt spread like it did . There are still huge populations of rats and freight trucks moving them around constantly .
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bigfoot
Its only a matter of time before plague rears its head again . When it sweeps through the slums of the urban areas of the world it will be bad . Many like to think that we are to clean for that to happen again but I suspect that it just mutated to a form not as transmissible or the rodents developed a resistance to it .what ever the reason it dosnt spread like it did . There are still huge populations of rats and freight trucks moving them around constantly .

All the homeless camps sprouting up in all the Liberal run big cities will be hot spots for Plague and other sorts of nasty stuff.
Posted By: warrior

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 05:59 PM

Truth be told those two are low on my radar as my climate is anything but a dry desert. Top of my list is typhus from flying squirrel fleas
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 08:39 PM

I trap and donate opossums to Wilmington College for a parasite and disease study. Opossums in Ohio have been found to be infected with bubonic plague. Fortunately most people living now no longer react badly to bubonic plague. The people who did react badly to bubonic plague all died long ago and didn't pass on their susceptible genes.

Keith
Posted By: Vinke

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Leftlane
Ever read up on the hantavirus? It literally kills 10 or 12 hours faster than it can be diagnosed.


I worked with the professor that originally discovered it while living in az.

If I remember right it was fist identified in NM
Posted By: Bigfoot

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by KeithC
I trap and donate opossums to Wilmington College for a parasite and disease study. Opossums in Ohio have been found to be infected with bubonic plague. Fortunately most people living now no longer react badly to bubonic plague. The people who did react badly to bubonic plague all died long ago and didn't pass on their susceptible genes.

Keith

I hope you are right but I have my doubts .
Originally Posted by warrior
Truth be told those two are low on my radar as my climate is anything but a dry desert. Top of my list is typhus from flying squirrel fleas

Europe was far from desert in 1666 .
Posted By: Northof50

Re: Something else - 07/23/21 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Vinke
Originally Posted by Leftlane
Ever read up on the hantavirus? It literally kills 10 or 12 hours faster than it can be diagnosed.


I worked with the professor that originally discovered it while living in az.

If I remember right it was fist identified in NM


As it is on a tee pee covering from 1840 era, the cycle of hanti virus.
Originally Posted by cmcf
And Ft. Collins looks like it was built in a prairie dog town.


The top flea researchers come from there as well, I believe I have 4000 flea specimens down there.
Posted By: Vinke

Re: Something else - 07/24/21 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Northof50
Originally Posted by Vinke
[quote=Leftlane]Ever read up on the hantavirus? It literally kills 10 or 12 hours faster than it can be diagnosed.


I worked with the professor that originally discovered it while living in az.

If I remember right it was fist identified in NM


As it is on a tee pee covering from 1840 era, the cycle of hanti virus.
Originally Posted by cmcf
And Ft. Collins looks like it was built in a prairie dog town.


Wrong look it up
Posted By: Northof50

Re: Something else - 07/24/21 02:52 AM

My mistake on location of the base; but the top flea guys are in the US Army from a base somewhere in flea heaven over there.
Posted By: MJM

Re: Something else - 07/24/21 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Northof50
My mistake on location of the base; but the top flea guys are in the US Army from a base somewhere in flea heaven over there.

We have US Army and bases all over the world. Thanks fore the narrow down.
Posted By: ttzt

Re: Something else - 07/24/21 03:18 AM

I had a co-worker die of hantavirus about 10 years ago, she caught it while cleaning out rodent infested boxes in her attic. It was misdiagnosed until too late.
Posted By: Northof50

Re: Something else - 07/24/21 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by Northof50
My mistake on location of the base; but the top flea guys are in the US Army from a base somewhere in flea heaven over there.

We have US Army and bases all over the world. Thanks fore the narrow down.

all I know was when I talked to the research on base another person listened in and a paper transaction was mailed back to both of us. Bio-hazards are a touchy subject.
Yes the military has researchers out in many countries just in case.

Hanti can be very serious because you never know what strain you have.
Because of clearance and gov red tapeI do not work in the field anymore.....which pleases the wife.( we can now take the red bio-haz stickers off the freezers)
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Something else - 07/24/21 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Bigfoot
Its only a matter of time before plague rears its head again . When it sweeps through the slums of the urban areas of the world it will be bad . Many like to think that we are to clean for that to happen again but I suspect that it just mutated to a form not as transmissible or the rodents developed a resistance to it .what ever the reason it dosnt spread like it did . There are still huge populations of rats and freight trucks moving them around constantly .


You'll be ok if you wear a mask. Or maybe two.
Posted By: Dan Barnhurst

Re: Something else - 07/24/21 10:01 PM

In the arid west hantavirus is very common. It is usually contracted when someone is cleaning / sweeping an area with dried rodent feces and urine. And a cheap mask may not keep you from inhaling enough to become infected. Better plan is to mix a 10 percent solution of chlorine and water and thoroughly dampen down any area to dissinfect it before cleaning. Or mop and clean with chlorine water saturated rag while wearing latex gloves.
Posted By: Northof50

Re: Something else - 07/24/21 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by Bigfoot
Its only a matter of time before plague rears its head again . When it sweeps through the slums of the urban areas of the world it will be bad . Many like to think that we are to clean for that to happen again but I suspect that it just mutated to a form not as transmissible or the rodents developed a resistance to it .what ever the reason it dosnt spread like it did . There are still huge populations of rats and freight trucks moving them around constantly .


You'll be ok if you wear a mask. Or maybe two.


wrong answer about the mask.

the plague is Level 2 bio
Hanti is level 3 bio
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Something else - 07/25/21 02:20 AM

Twas sarcasm. I think.
Posted By: DWC

Re: Something else - 07/25/21 04:12 AM

As im reading this my dog just scratched and then chased a mouse. Im screwed.
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