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Posted By: Wolfdog91

What they don't know about - 08/19/21 06:34 PM

All those weapons we left grin
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Posted By: Slick Pan

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 06:47 PM

is that a us government confiscation pile ?
Posted By: Spade

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 06:53 PM

Never could figure out why, buildings, weapons etc, are not blown or destroyed upon leaving a combat zone. Even our embasey should have been destroyed.
That firing pin can be replaced in minutes with todays computer software. Pretty hard replacing weapons after several white PH gernades are throw on it.
Posted By: k snow

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Spade
Never could figure out why, buildings, weapons etc, are not blown or destroyed upon leaving a combat zone. Even our embasey should have been destroyed.


They left people behind, what makes you think they care about equipment?
Posted By: hippie

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 06:57 PM

Maybe that's why the Afghanis threw them down.
Posted By: Pike River

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 06:57 PM

I'm sure they would have no problem re-installing them though......
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 07:02 PM

"we" the US left all those weapons and armor and equipment to be used by the Afghan security forces and they deserted leaving the arms and equipment for the Taliban

that is how it will be sold any way

I would be very suprised if the firing pins were missing and even if they are that is a simple fix even in a 3rd world country , run a guy over to Pakistan with 1 good firing pin and they will turn him a thousand they may be garbage steel just get 3K and hand them out with every 4th magazine.

for a "simple" people they figured out how to part together AKs of different generations from a pile old parts and be a threat
Posted By: Drifter

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 07:24 PM

Don't under estimate your enemy.
Posted By: Spade

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by Spade
Never could figure out why, buildings, weapons etc, are not blown or destroyed upon leaving a combat zone. Even our embasey should have been destroyed.


They left people behind, what makes you think they care about equipment?


I'm not just talking about this arm pit, Southeast Asia when we pulled out, Turkey when the military took over some of the bases, Iran when the Shah was disposed that I know of, probably many other places I don't know of.

I don't know if the people who were left behind were private contractors, or not, if they were then let the company that hired them, get them out.
If not then a stone shouldn't be left unturned to get them out, by any force necessary.
Posted By: Wolfdog91

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 07:31 PM

So much for trying to lighten to mood....
Posted By: Aaron Proffitt

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 07:33 PM

I once had a ANSF build an exact replica of the Leatherman tool I carried out of a leaf spring . Another day ,I watched a group completely tear down and move two vehicles that encountered each other on a narrow mountain road . Neither could pass each other , no way one could back up. So that was the solution.

An eight year old boy , in Afghanistan, could churn out those .
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
So much for trying to lighten to mood....



good luck lightening that mood

all any one here is seeing is a guy who should be hanging by the neck until dead , wearing a power tie and spouting nonsense on TV.
Posted By: Jerry Jr.

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
So much for trying to lighten to mood....



good luck lightening that mood

all any one here is seeing is a guy who should be hanging by the neck until dead , wearing a power tie and spouting nonsense on TV.


And then someone jumps on the internet and tries to make a funny out of it.
Posted By: Providence Farm

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 09:43 PM

The afghans got a good upgrade from the 303 Enfields and such my brother in laws unit collected and smashed up in the road with tracked vehicles. I was sick he couldn't/didn't send some back .Some were very nice. Amazing old bolt guns get smashed and made inoperable but modern machine guns, armor vehicles, explosive, ext.. just get left to use.
Posted By: Paul Dobbins

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Spade
Pretty hard replacing weapons after several white PH gernades are throw on it.


Thermite grenades do a better job.
Posted By: Drifter

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 11:24 PM

Can't believe they are letting them take the high tech weapons to Pakistan like they are.
Posted By: jk

Re: What they don't know about - 08/19/21 11:48 PM

We will see the other end of those weapons in the upcoming decade!!........jk
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 01:07 AM

If I remember correctly, the motor pool guys were trained to pick one vital component and destroy it/render it useless on every vehicle... So you couldn't cannabalize from one to run another.

Of course if you're leaving stuff behind for your "allies" to continue the fight, you don't do that.

As for the meme, they'd have guys fabbing firing pins out of duplex nails by tomorrow.

Personally, I would've pulled a handful of rounds out of each ammo can and made sure the crimps were "good and snug" and put them back in... If all goes well, you destroy the weapon and the trigger-puller all at the same time. Worst case, your enemy has some serious reservations about using all the gear you left behind.

Mike
Posted By: warrior

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Spade
Never could figure out why, buildings, weapons etc, are not blown or destroyed upon leaving a combat zone. Even our embasey should have been destroyed.
That firing pin can be replaced in minutes with todays computer software. Pretty hard replacing weapons after several white PH gernades are throw on it.


I well remember being trained on demolitions in the million dollar hole at Leonard Wood. Willy Pete will melt a go devil jeep block into something that won't move.

I doubt they even have willy pete grenades in inventory these days.
Posted By: Paul Dobbins

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Spade
Never could figure out why, buildings, weapons etc, are not blown or destroyed upon leaving a combat zone. Even our embasey should have been destroyed.
That firing pin can be replaced in minutes with todays computer software. Pretty hard replacing weapons after several white PH gernades are throw on it.


I well remember being trained on demolitions in the million dollar hole at Leonard Wood. Willy Pete will melt a go devil jeep block into something that won't move.

I doubt they even have willy pete grenades in inventory these days.


White phosphorus burns at about 2800 degrees, thermite burns between 4000 and 5000 degrees. Thermite is the choice for destroying material that may be compromised. Trust me on this.
Posted By: warrior

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 03:16 AM

You are correct, my memory is faulty.
Posted By: Paul Dobbins

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by warrior
You are correct, my memory is faulty.


My memory is getting more faulty by the days, so I know what you mean. This stuff is what I did for 20 years, so I do have some knowledge of it, still.
Posted By: warrior

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 03:21 AM

But I do recall being taught to leave nothing of use behind if at all possible. If it can't be destroyed then booby trap it or otherwise deny it's use. Even the expended tube from the LAW weren't to be dropped and left behind.

They probably frown on booby traps as well.
Posted By: warrior

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 03:22 AM

It was over twenty years ago for me.
Posted By: Paul Dobbins

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by warrior
But I do recall being taught to leave nothing of use behind if at all possible. If it can't be destroyed then booby trap it or otherwise deny it's use. Even the expended tube from the LAW weren't to be dropped and left behind.

They probably frown on booby traps as well.


I was taught the same as well. The reason I recall the thermite is because this is what we were required to put on our safes of classified material as we exited.

Originally Posted by warrior
It was over twenty years ago for me.


Been 30 for me. But I did it for my primary job.
Posted By: Marty

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 03:31 AM

Thermite grenade:

One used pop or beer can.
3 parts aluminum powder to 8 parts iron oxide powder. (mixed well)
One flare ignitor.
1/8" canon fuse 6" piece.
Magnesium ribbon 2" piece.

Fill can with mix, intertwine fuse and ribbon, moisten flare ignitor with alcohol into putty and mold around fuse/ribbon strips.....place one end of 'fuse' into can opening and tape in place. You keep the fuse/ribbon even on one end and that is what you mold the ignitor material around......the long end of fuse is so you have a bit of time to get away....


smile
Posted By: Tactical.20

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 03:33 AM

That would be one hot fire, 4-5,000°
Posted By: Marty

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 03:37 AM

Burn thru the body of a vehicle into fuel tank or thru engine block.
Posted By: Paul Dobbins

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by Marty
Thermite grenade:

One used pop or beer can.
3 parts aluminum powder to 8 parts iron oxide powder. (mixed well)
One flare ignitor.
1/8" canon fuse 6" piece.
Magnesium ribbon 2" piece.

Fill can with mix, intertwine fuse and ribbon, moisten flare ignitor with alcohol into putty and mold around fuse/ribbon strips.....place one end of 'fuse' into can opening and tape in place. You keep the fuse/ribbon even on one end and that is what you mold the ignitor material around......the long end of fuse is so you have a bit of time to get away....
smile


I believe you have that about right.
Posted By: adam m

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 04:41 AM

Saw a video clip of the Taliban checkpoint and they had our guns in their hands.
Posted By: warrior

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 04:45 AM

Any takers on how quickly we or our allies have to face those weapons?

Oh wait a minute, we already are.
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: What they don't know about - 08/20/21 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Marty
Thermite grenade:

One used pop or beer can.
3 parts aluminum powder to 8 parts iron oxide powder. (mixed well)
One flare ignitor.
1/8" canon fuse 6" piece.
Magnesium ribbon 2" piece.

Fill can with mix, intertwine fuse and ribbon, moisten flare ignitor with alcohol into putty and mold around fuse/ribbon strips.....place one end of 'fuse' into can opening and tape in place. You keep the fuse/ribbon even on one end and that is what you mold the ignitor material around......the long end of fuse is so you have a bit of time to get away....


smile


Just an FYI... Your local paint store may sell bulk aluminum powder.
wink

Mike
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