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Posted By: Cedar Hacker

Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 02:10 PM

No sir. They are Illegal migrants. How can Americans stand by and watch as their government breaks the law and lets their country be invaded ?
The Del Rio border patrol sector chief has resigned and went to work as our District Attorney Border Prosecution Unit Investigator.
Sad, Sad, Sad.

Photos are from private cameras on private land.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 02:12 PM

One of my long time ranch managers near Quamado quit last week. Got shot at a month ago to keep his nose outta the traffickers business.
It's wide open south of Del Rio.
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 03:27 PM

Human migration is not anything new or unique to the USA. Been going on as long as humans have been around. Borders come and go....as long as the grass is greener it will continue.
Posted By: Oh Snap

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 03:37 PM

Voters in the 2022 and 2024 election and welfare recipients whistle
Posted By: Cedar Hacker

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Human migration is not anything new or unique to the USA. Been going on as long as humans have been around. Borders come and go....as long as the grass is greener it will continue.


I have nothing against legal immigration to America. It is the illegal immigration that I vehemently oppose.

With all due respect Sir, borders do not come and go. It is the unlawful idiots that ignore borders and the people that put them in power that I cannot stand.

A patriot, in my view, is someone that defends his country against it's government. Where are they now ?
Posted By: warrior

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Human migration is not anything new or unique to the USA. Been going on as long as humans have been around. Borders come and go....as long as the grass is greener it will continue.


Maybe but I recall most civilizations, Roman, Chinese, Picts, etc resist and walls get built until eventually getting overwhelmed and collapsing.
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 06:01 PM

The same business owners that write checks to the GOP to close the border are also the firms that hire those workers. A very good example of the hypocrisy and duplicity in our culture. Illegal immigration is not a Red or Blue deal it is a Green deal for those that hire.

Bryce
Posted By: run

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 06:26 PM

Coonman 220's future neighbors.
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 07:21 PM

And of course I can't resist saying that those migrants likely got the memo that Americans don't seem to want to work, so there are jobs galore up north.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by bblwi
The same business owners that write checks to the GOP to close the border are also the firms that hire those workers. A very good example of the hypocrisy and duplicity in our culture. Illegal immigration is not a Red or Blue deal it is a Green deal for those that hire.

Bryce


This seems very, very, very, unlikely. Do you have any proof that this is true?

Where did you get your "fact"?

Keith
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 07:42 PM

Bust into Mexico and see what benefits you get there these people walked through many stable countries to get here don’t try to say it’s about anything else but benefits.
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Law Dog
Bust into Mexico and see what benefits you get there these people walked through many stable countries to get here don’t try to say it’s about anything else but benefits.


It's about opportunity. What stable countries exist between Mexico and the USA? (And for that matter below Mexico)?
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 07:54 PM

Round them up and send them back. We shouldn't have any use for illegals.

My wife is a legal immigrant who jumped through hoops and paid fees to be here. These people make her mad.

Jim
Posted By: Boco

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by bblwi
The same business owners that write checks to the GOP to close the border are also the firms that hire those workers. A very good example of the hypocrisy and duplicity in our culture. Illegal immigration is not a Red or Blue deal it is a Green deal for those that hire.

Bryce


This seems very, very, very, unlikely. Do you have any proof that this is true?

Where did you get your "fact"?

Keith



Its common knowledge.They come to work.
Posted By: KeithC

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by bblwi
The same business owners that write checks to the GOP to close the border are also the firms that hire those workers. A very good example of the hypocrisy and duplicity in our culture. Illegal immigration is not a Red or Blue deal it is a Green deal for those that hire.

Bryce


This seems very, very, very, unlikely. Do you have any proof that this is true?

Where did you get your "fact"?

Keith



Originally Posted by Boco
Its common knowledge.They come to work.


Why would a business pay someone for the express purpose of preventing the workers they need to be in business from entering America?

The beyond obvious answer is they would not.

Keith
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by James
Round them up and send them back. We shouldn't have any use for illegals.

My wife is a legal immigrant who jumped through hoops and paid fees to be here. These people make her mad.

Jim

Your wife was fortunate enough to be from a country where that was possible.
Posted By: Yukon John

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by James
Round them up and send them back. We shouldn't have any use for illegals.

My wife is a legal immigrant who jumped through hoops and paid fees to be here. These people make her mad.

Jim

Lol! SMH
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 09:16 PM

Go to your state's freedom of information places and you can find out who has donated funds to political campaigns, individuals etc. It will not help you find the political action monies however but you can see who and what businesses contribute to candidates etc.

Bryce
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Originally Posted by James
Round them up and send them back. We shouldn't have any use for illegals.

My wife is a legal immigrant who jumped through hoops and paid fees to be here. These people make her mad.

Jim

Your wife was fortunate enough to be from a country where that was possible.


Are you saying it's not possible to immigrate legally from Mexico or S. America?

My wife comes from Japan. Should we allow anyone from that country to come here, willy-nilly, without legal status?

Jim
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 09:50 PM

I've been on the look out for likely illegals up here but haven't noticed any as of yet. Of course I don't live near a Tyson plant.
Being a legal citizen with family/connections in the southern hemisphere could be quite beneficial. If you own a business where you need cheap labor, farming for example, it can be a cash cow. Not only make money off securing passage but make a profit off the cheap labor. That's how it's done around here in many parts of the construction industry.
Posted By: trap master

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 11:20 PM

I'm curious with hunting season approaching and lots of folks carrying guns in the brush, what's gonna happen if there's a confrontation out there or a hunter feels threatened?
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/30/21 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by bblwi
The same business owners that write checks to the GOP to close the border are also the firms that hire those workers. A very good example of the hypocrisy and duplicity in our culture. Illegal immigration is not a Red or Blue deal it is a Green deal for those that hire.

Bryce


This seems very, very, very, unlikely. Do you have any proof that this is true?

Where did you get your "fact"?

Keith

Think I'd have to call BS on that one as well.
Posted By: tomahawker

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Human migration is not anything new or unique to the USA. Been going on as long as humans have been around. Borders come and go....as long as the grass is greener it will continue.


There’s differences from a few generations ago. One I can think of is Frank Hamer and other Texas Rangers’ policy of shoot first ask questions later.
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 01:05 AM

The way most firms get out of the hiring issue is they subcontract and may illegals have formed thousands of firms. The employer does not have to fill out 1-9 forms or W-2s for subcontract work as they are considered temporary and or they do the task on their time and under their direction Not as true for all the meat packing firms as regular schedules and shifts are necessary. We had a big hail storm go through our area 4-5 years ago, dozens of rooves needed replacing. There were two firms that did the bulk of the rooves. They were not from the area and they sub contracted all the crews and they were not legal citizens. How most become illegal is they get temporary status and overstay their time. Those with funds can pay to get a really good set of ID and other information as well. Some that use labor regularly have put their crews on a shift bases and thus the subcontractor gets paid and he/she pays the workers. The bigger issue over the last decade or so is more and more of those that cross the boarder have even limited reading comprehension in their native language .

Bryce
Below is a link how one firm has worked out getting illegals to their plant.
https://blog.caesarnapoli.com/real-reason-american-companies-hire-undocumented-immigrants/
Posted By: Cedar Hacker

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Mark June
One of my long time ranch managers near Quamado quit last week. Got shot at a month ago to keep his nose outta the traffickers business.
It's wide open south of Del Rio.


Mark the whole stinking border is wide open, just more illegals pouring into the LRGV.
Two of those pictures are from near Bracketville.

I had a friend that had a farm at El Indio but I haven't been in touch with him lately. I think he may have sold it.
Posted By: Pawnee

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by bblwi
The same business owners that write checks to the GOP to close the border are also the firms that hire those workers. A very good example of the hypocrisy and duplicity in our culture. Illegal immigration is not a Red or Blue deal it is a Green deal for those that hire.

Bryce


We live in the middle of it with all the packing houses. I have watched the big 3 since I was a kid. In the 80’s they brought in the Vietnamese, 90’s and early 2000’s the Mexicans and now the Somalis. It takes time but the groups finally figure out they are being used as cheap labor so they bring another ethnicity in. All for the mighty dollar. Greed is not just found in Socialist although it’s overwhelming there.
Posted By: Pawnee

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Human migration is not anything new or unique to the USA. Been going on as long as humans have been around. Borders come and go....as long as the grass is greener it will continue.


Make no mistake this is not migration or immigration it a full blown planned invasion!
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 03:34 AM

I believe in the rule of law. We have immigration laws, and we ought to enforce them.

If Congress decides to change the law, so be it. Until that happens, the president ought to enforce the law.

Does anyone know what's happening to these people? Are we deporting them? If not, then the blame does fall on Biden.

Jim
Posted By: Posco

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 03:48 AM

You think Biden is unaware of the problem? That seems rhetorical based on his decline but you know what I mean. It's as intentional as can be. He should be impeached and removed from office.
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:06 AM

I agree it should be addressed by Congress because we need the labor and they are coming anyway.

And, end welfare--which would also help address labor shortfall and provide many benefits to the Country in general.

But an immigration fix is not going to happen anytime soon. One large faction only wants the Latinos to add drones to its hive. The other large faction just hates "Mexicans" and/or loves to blame "Mexicans" for just about everything--until they "need a Mexican.".
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:11 AM

Blaine, ending welfare ain't going to happen.

I believe in trying to curb welfare abuses, but not in ending all welfare programs. Some people genuinely need the help.

Jim
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:13 AM

I can dream.

And, neither is stopping illegal immigration--while we have welfare.
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:17 AM

And, it's not the illegal immigrants on welfare. It's the Americans on the dole that are not filling the jobs--the jobs the the illegals will fill. A big loop.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by James
Blaine, ending welfare ain't going to happen.

I believe in trying to curb welfare abuses, but not in ending all welfare programs. Some people genuinely need the help.

Jim


They shouldnt discriminate against the working man.
The working man should get the same welfare as those not working,to be fair.
Otherwise the working man will have no incentive to climb above the rest,because those not working are just as well off as he is working.
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:21 AM

Interesting point, Boco.

I think we should give half of these illegals van rides to the Canadian border. Let Canada help with the problem.

Jim
Posted By: Boco

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:24 AM

Our border is secure,they wont get in.
Take them in Alaska.
I wonder if Dozy Joe will re settle some in Alaska?
Posted By: Dirty D

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by James
Round them up and send them back. We shouldn't have any use for illegals.

My wife is a legal immigrant who jumped through hoops and paid fees to be here. These people make her mad.

Jim


you should of voted for Trump Jimmy, he's the only president in a long time who did anything positive about Illegal aliens in a long time.
Posted By: Canvasback2

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:48 AM

James:

From a legal standpoint, if that picture is really a picture of private land, Is there anything a Landowner can do to prevent these illegal trespassing's ? Would an electric fence across that pathway be legal ?
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:49 AM

Why would I do a silly thing like voting for that detestable Trump?

And didn't his Great Wall fall into the river?

Jim
Posted By: Dirty D

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Boco




They shouldnt discriminate against the working man.
The working man should get the same welfare as those not working,to be fair.
Otherwise the working man will have no incentive to climb above the rest,because those not working are just as well off as he is working.


Yea, who is going to pay the welfare of the working man and the welfare leech?
Maybe we should stiffen up welfare requirements first.
Then lower them so that there is an incentive to work,
and to top it off how about we get the gov't to spend less money so we don't inflate the dollar to worthless.
Posted By: Canvasback2

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Boco
Our border is secure,they wont get in.
Take them in Alaska.
I wonder if Dozy Joe will re settle some in Alaska?



The Canadian Border is secure ??? LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to the Adirondacks in Northern New York. There is NOTHING to stop someone from crossing into Canada through the Woods or walking across a Creek. It's all WIDE OPEN !
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 04:54 AM

We shouldn't have to rely on private landowners to enforce immigration laws.

Putting up an electric fence that might cause death or injury to humans might just get you sued. Yes, even an illegal might sue you, in our courts too.

Jim
Posted By: Canvasback2

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by James
We shouldn't have to rely on private landowners to enforce immigration laws.

Putting up an electric fence that might cause death or injury to humans might just get you sued. Yes, even an illegal might sue you, in our courts too.

Jim



James:

Let me get this straight...

A Mexican or whoever, from where ever, crosses into the United States of America illegally . (That's one illegal act) Trespasses onto Private Property. ( 2nd Illegal act ) and for good measure, lets say they also destroy some of the Ranchers property , and or litter on that property. Are you saying that the Rancher has to depend on Law Enforcement to go after those people after the fact?? If they are illegal Aliens and have broken all those laws, why do they have the right to sue the Rancher ? Seems like the Criminals have more rights than the innocent Property Owner.
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 05:16 AM

I don't know the law in Texas or those other border states. In my state, even a trespasser can sue a landowner if the trespasser is injured by something unreasonably dangerous on the property.

Now whether a jury would rule in the illegal immigrants favor is a different issue. If I were the landowner, I'd request a jury trial. The judge would tell the jury they must follow the law, but that doesn't always happen. Ever hear of jury nullification?

Jim
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 05:18 AM

Even burglars have successfully sued property owners.

Jim
Posted By: Boco

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Canvasback2
Originally Posted by Boco
Our border is secure,they wont get in.
Take them in Alaska.
I wonder if Dozy Joe will re settle some in Alaska?



The Canadian Border is secure ??? LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to the Adirondacks in Northern New York. There is NOTHING to stop someone from crossing into Canada through the Woods or walking across a Creek. It's all WIDE OPEN !


Thats a load of bull,if that was true walleyed would be up here poaching muskrats.
Posted By: Canvasback2

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 06:01 AM

How could a Jury find in favor of the Burglar ???



Trapped Burglar Sues Homeowner
A fine example of good sense failing is the case of Terence Dickson. In the process of exiting a house he had just entered and burglarized, he found that his planned escape route through the garage was a dead end as the door opener would not function and he was unable to open the garage door. Turning back to re-enter the house, he found that the connecting door had locked behind him! He was forced to spend the next eight days with only a case of Pepsi and a bag of dry dog food.

Mr. Dickson, upon regaining his freedom from the garage, filed a suit against the homeowner’s insurance company on the basis of his having suffered mental anguish during his unintended confinement. Incredibly, the jury determined that Mr. Dickson was to be paid $500,000 for his suffering.
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 06:10 AM

The US Canada border is very porous. On either side of the Al-Can Highway, there's nothing but woods and tundra.

Years ago I knew a guy who smuggled a backpack full of pot from Canada to the US, just by walking parallel to the highway, far enough from the checkpoints not to be seen. He had a buddy drop him off about a mile from the Canadian border, then pick him up again on the US side.

The same tactic would easily work in reverse. So my modest proposal is to fly planeloads of illegals up here to AK, and we'll feed and house them (with federal dollars) and transport them to within a couple miles from Canada, give them maps and supplies, and turn them loose.

Jim
Posted By: James

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 08/31/21 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by Canvasback2
How could a Jury find in favor of the Burglar ???



Trapped Burglar Sues Homeowner
A fine example of good sense failing is the case of Terence Dickson. In the process of exiting a house he had just entered and burglarized, he found that his planned escape route through the garage was a dead end as the door opener would not function and he was unable to open the garage door. Turning back to re-enter the house, he found that the connecting door had locked behind him! He was forced to spend the next eight days with only a case of Pepsi and a bag of dry dog food.

Mr. Dickson, upon regaining his freedom from the garage, filed a suit against the homeowner’s insurance company on the basis of his having suffered mental anguish during his unintended confinement. Incredibly, the jury determined that Mr. Dickson was to be paid $500,000 for his suffering.



The judge probably instructed the jury to disregard the poor victim's status as a burglar.

Jim
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Not Undocumented Migrants - 09/01/21 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by James
Even burglars have successfully sued property owners.

Jim

It's interesting that you say that.

It reminds me of something that happened many years ago in Rockford, IL, I think it was.

I wasn't the agent on this, but this couple had a renter's policy. They lived in an apartment building. The husband was a trucker; on the road for days at a time occasionally. He felt uncomfortable about his wife being alone while he was on the road since there had some recent break ins in the area. So, for protection he got her one of those pearl-handled, silver Browning, 25 caliber, semi-automatic handguns.

One night while he was on the road, a noise woke her. She realized someone had broken into her apartment. The burglar noticed she was alerted to his presence. He quickly jumped on top of her while she was in bed. She managed to get her Browning in her nightstand drawer. She fired several times at the intruder. Only one shot actually hit him. It immediately disabled him as it hit him dead center in the knee cap. The police came, arrested the man.

But, that wasn't the end of it. Several months later, the burglar filed a lawsuit against the lady who had accosted stating as a result of her actions, he had become permanently disabled. It was never brought to trial and the suit was dismissed. But, since there are liability coverages in a renter's policy a claim had been set up.
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