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Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic

Posted By: Providence Farm

Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 03:03 PM

So my youngest some 8, decided he no longer wants a semiautomatic scatter gun. I asked him why. His response was they don't work right. I smiled.

I bought him a used charles daily youth gun he wanted a few weeks back. It would not cycle. I looked it over and it was missing the gas piston, gas piston buffer and o ring. We took it back. Yesterday at his hunter Ed class he shot an 1100. It Also had cycling issues. So in his limited experience 100% have not functioned.

We have a youth single shot and 870 but those are his sisters he shoots. He likes over and unders but few are made in youth models and I want good quality that will last a lifetime of heavy use then get passed down. Cz makes one but on one has had them and I'm not sure how they will hold up. I love the safety factor of the high visibility of being broken open.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 03:20 PM

think your kid is cursed lol might look at some pumps
Posted By: white17

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 03:38 PM

Kid has his head wired on straight !! O/U is the way to fly !
Posted By: Sharon

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 03:40 PM

Same here. Beretta O/U is a beautiful smooth as silk gun. LOP can be adjusted .
Posted By: yotetrapper30

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 03:41 PM

I'm in the pump crowd. Something just so satisfying about racking that next shell in.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 03:46 PM

20ga 500C if you can get the combo with the rifled slug barrel

Winchester dual bond slugs 2 3/4 inch 260gr sabot 1800 fps only down side is they are expensive 2 dollars a round but I am getting 3 inch groups at 100 yards and do a very good job on deer.

not sure there is a strait wall aproved cartridge that can compete with the sabot slug , down side you can't reload for them

I liked my sons so much I bought one when I found the combo used for sale.

light and easy to carry , swings well upgrade to the extended choke tubes and you can get a beautiful pattern.
Posted By: bfflobo

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 05:29 PM

I like the way your son thinks.
Posted By: warrior

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 05:33 PM

Get him an Ithaca 37, it'll ruin him for life.
Posted By: swift4me

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 05:48 PM

As an 8 year old.... the front end weight of an over and under can be bad unless he's a big kid. A lightweight pump like the Ithaca would be a good choice until he can find the right gun.

Just my two cents.

Good luck.

Pete
Posted By: GRP

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 05:50 PM

I'll stick up for the 1100. Swinging an 1100 over a dove field with 3 dram 1 1/8 oz 8s feels like a tradition, the way it oughta be. 20 gauges are even sweeter. They like to be taken apart, cleaned, and a super light coat of gun oil on the outside of magazine tube, gas ring, and o ring before being pressed into service. Make sure barrel is clean, ports are open.
Posted By: yotetrapper30

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 05:54 PM

I'd get him a Winchester Model 12.
Posted By: Jerry Jr.

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 06:21 PM

Semi auto guns do require a little more maintenance than the others. I use a weatherby orion ssc for clays. I also have a berretta 390 that sees some time on the course and some field use. My boy started with a S&W 1000 20 ga. I wasn't sure it would fit him but he was able to handle it. Now he is much bigger and can handle any of them.

When I am hunting I prefer to take one of my SxS guns. It just feels right. If I am looking for some fun I will take one of the hammer guns with some black powder shells. If that isn't enough fun (or I don't want to hit anything) I will take out one of the muzzle loading shotguns.

Back to the topic. I wouldn't give up on the gas guns just yet. Recoil is going to be one of the biggest problems you will have with younger shooters. If the gun fits, a gas/inertia gun will kick less than the others.
Posted By: ebsurveyor

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 06:35 PM

I do like my 1950's Browning Lighting 20 ga in the grouse woods, but need an auto for ring-necks & water foul. Why only take two birds out of the flock when you can take three?
Posted By: BigBob

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by warrior
Get him an Ithaca 37, it'll ruin him for life.

Ain't it the truth! And, it's available in a youth model.
Posted By: white17

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 06:40 PM

Model 37 might be a good choice. Certainly better than being caught with an auto loader. How embarrassing !
Posted By: Stewie

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by white17
Kid has his head wired on straight !! O/U is the way to fly !




Until all the pheasants decide to bust out at the same time and you miss with both barrels. Sometimes it's nice to have a good wife to back you up.
Posted By: jbyrd63

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
20ga 500C if you can get the combo with the rifled slug barrel

Winchester dual bond slugs 2 3/4 inch 260gr sabot 1800 fps only down side is they are expensive 2 dollars a round but I am getting 3 inch groups at 100 yards and do a very good job on deer.

not sure there is a strait wall aproved cartridge that can compete with the sabot slug , down side you can't reload for them

I liked my sons so much I bought one when I found the combo used for sale.

light and easy to carry , swings well upgrade to the extended choke tubes and you can get a beautiful pattern.


X2 ^^^^^^^^
Posted By: jbyrd63

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Providence Farm
So my youngest some 8, decided he no longer wants a semiautomatic scatter gun. I asked him why. His response was they don't work right. I smiled.

I bought him a used charles daily youth gun he wanted a few weeks back. It would not cycle. I looked it over and it was missing the gas piston, gas piston buffer and o ring. We took it back. Yesterday at his hunter Ed class he shot an 1100. It Also had cycling issues. So in his limited experience 100% have not functioned.

We have a youth single shot and 870 but those are his sisters he shoots. He likes over and unders but few are made in youth models and I want good quality that will last a lifetime of heavy use then get passed down. Cz makes one but on one has had them and I'm not sure how they will hold up. I love the safety factor of the high visibility of being broken open.




Reason military and hunting guides use pumps. Have to have a major malfunction for it to get jammed. Some mention O/U those are for sissy's and snobby people. LOL
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 07:06 PM

Give him a pump with a Turkey load and see what he says tomorrow morning. LOL
Posted By: ~ADC~

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by BigBob
Originally Posted by warrior
Get him an Ithaca 37, it'll ruin him for life.

Ain't it the truth! And, it's available in a youth model.


X3

I like SxS Shotguns myself but you can't go wrong with that Ithaca.
Posted By: Sharon

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
So my youngest some 8, decided he no longer wants a semiautomatic scatter gun. I asked him why. His response was they don't work right. I smiled.

I bought him a used charles daily youth gun he wanted a few weeks back. It would not cycle. I looked it over and it was missing the gas piston, gas piston buffer and o ring. We took it back. Yesterday at his hunter Ed class he shot an 1100. It Also had cycling issues. So in his limited experience 100% have not functioned.

We have a youth single shot and 870 but those are his sisters he shoots. He likes over and unders but few are made in youth models and I want good quality that will last a lifetime of heavy use then get passed down. Cz makes one but on one has had them and I'm not sure how they will hold up. I love the safety factor of the high visibility of being broken open.




Reason military and hunting guides use pumps. Have to have a major malfunction for it to get jammed. Some mention O/U those are for sissy's and snobby people. LOL



Really !!! .....I love O/U Beretta Silver Pigeon, and I also have a Mossburg Pump 12 g....short barrel. It's a tactical protection weapon. That I point shoot accurately from the hip with. And it's black ......if that gets me out of the "sissy " department .....
Posted By: Ringneck1

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 08:55 PM

Nothing wrong with a semiautomatic. I have 3or 4 of them. One escort 20, a benelli 20, 1 superx2 in 12 and a superx3 in 12 (my primary waterfowl gun). They all cycle great however, none are Charles Daly. I've seen lots of them over the CDs over the years and nearly every one had a cycling issue and we couldn't get parts to fix. IME it doesn't pay to bargain shop semi autos.
Funny thing. In my duck hunting crew I was first to retire a winchester 1300 pump for a mossberg 835 pump for a semiauto. Each time, everybody wonders why? Until I had half a limit of green heads on the water before most had sucked out their first empty. By end of that first season the whole crew had upgraded to mid road semi autos, and one super black eagle. I have no plans to go back to a pump. Yes they have a place & I killed a lot of birds with them, but no where near the pile from the semiauto. All the maintenance I've ever done is clean at the end of the season. If its a busy season, midway I pull the barrel, gunsnake the barrel and blow out the gas ports. Pop the action, oil the spring in the stock and hit the action with compressed air. Put it back together. Less than 10 minutes.

CZ makes some real good O\U guns. I have a redhead 20, its been a great gun.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 09:16 PM

Recoil will ruin a young child the more they shoot the more bad habits they will need to deal with that’s no joke. Starting out with a auto and light loads will be a good start. A light gun is the wrong direction as the recoil is painful and damaging to shooting habits. A heavy gun is not all bad as far as follow through on a swing is more likely.
Posted By: Providence Farm

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 10:41 PM

I agree on a gas gun for recoil. Last time I had then out the each shot 5 boxes of 7.5 field loads and had nice purple shoulders. No complaints just wanted to go right back out. They shot my buddies full size 12g ruger red label and hit well with it. I think that's where the youngest decided he likes them. But at his age he likes everything. Throwing knife, hatches, sling shots, bows, Xbox, rifles pistols everything that moves a projectile.

I did see a double 12 cz today it was nice. Had it been a 20 I would have bought it. Would have had to cut it down or just keep it for me. I don't have a double in 20 yet just 12s and a 16.

Honestly almost anything that fits then in stock will come home. Including rifles or pistols. Got to get then equipped and shooting as much as I can while I still can. ( looking like I may have MS more tests to come)
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Posted By: tomahawker

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 11:07 PM

Anything other than a SxS for bird hunting is an abomination. Anything new and plascit especially. O/U I reserve particular disdain for as they are most prevalent shooting fake birds. For tail feathers sticking out of your bag and a dog by your side, with a chaw of Redman in your cheek...take a SxS. One beat up and scarred with the blue wore off and smoke rising out of the bores. Ejectors recommended but not necessary. That is all
Posted By: tomahawker

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 11:15 PM

One caveat- anything pre WWII is also acceptable
Posted By: waggler

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 11:18 PM

Get him a "black gun" a couple of 30 round mags, and about 1200 rounds of ammo; I'll bet he changes his mind about semiautos.
Posted By: yotetrapper30

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by tomahawker
One caveat- anything pre WWII is also acceptable


Oh whew... good to know my gun meets your approval LOL
Posted By: Providence Farm

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/30/21 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by tomahawker
Anything other than a SxS for bird hunting is an abomination. Anything new and plascit especially. O/U I reserve particular disdain for as they are most prevalent shooting fake birds. For tail feathers sticking out of your bag and a dog by your side, with a chaw of Redman in your cheek...take a SxS. One beat up and scarred with the blue wore off and smoke rising out of the bores. Ejectors recommended but not necessary. That is all


I have 3 of those. They don't come in short models and cutting them down seems wrong. Well one of mine looks like it got hit with ball pen Hammer in about 7 spots. (Got from wife's grand father). That one I would not ming sending in a form 1 on and making it sbs and cutting down about 12" off at the pistol grip and thread for chokes. The ultimate defense vehicle gun with 00 buck.


As far as black guns and 30 round mags. Well ya they have those in black out and . 556. The blackout is a braced pistol 8.6" with liberty suppressor. Put it together for the youngest for deer. Small adjustable quite very little recoil. He never shot a deer with it. Preference for a rem 700 in 243 or 7mm 08.

My middle son did shoot two with it to try it out. But still used the bolt guns. Even at their young age they can see more power, range, and wound channels. They do like the suppressors though.
Posted By: trapper al

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/31/21 01:04 AM


i still like my side by side doubles the best after growing up with all of them to use, pumps come next.
Posted By: Wanna Be

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/31/21 01:06 AM

Get him a Benelli Ultralight in 20ga. He will change his mind real quick about semiauto’s.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/31/21 01:12 AM

Upvote for the Ithaca model 37, cant beat the pump, saves shells imo
Posted By: Providence Farm

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/31/21 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Get him a Benelli Ultralight in 20ga. He will change his mind real quick about semiauto’s.

Now those I an not fond of. Granted I have limited experience with them. Had the bolt not close completely caused ducks to live. Granted it was operator error but I don't like having to let the bolt slam closed. I'm justvusedvto a gas gun I can ride the bolt closed quietly and it works.

I did see the have compact m4 in 20..
Posted By: Wanna Be

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/31/21 01:16 AM

Most kids can’t shoot a pump accurately on winged game after the first shot. Go with a single shot over a pump to save shells, lol. I haven’t seen a child yet that doesn’t raise their heads when shucking that first shell and the next two are just wasted with the shotgun not in the proper place on the shoulder.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/31/21 01:21 AM

I will stick up for the 1100 some I started on a 1100lt 20ga it sure does recoil easy , it needs new gas o-ring at regular intervals cleaned and lubed proper dry lube would probably help

this guy went into a match with an old probably years old o-ring

I wouldn't go into a match without a fresh o-ring for the season if not replaced every few matches at 2-3 dollars each loosing points to a o-ring is easily preventable.

many people never replace them and then the gun stops running as your son has seen

Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/31/21 01:26 AM

as a very utilitarian gun the 500 is really hard to beat it works for right and left handed people alike , it loads easy

I have experienced them getting sticky , they are tight enough that if lubed with a oil that gets sticky the action gets sticky

use a good dry lube like Hornady one shot gun cleaner and dry lube and they don't get sticky sitting

I dislike Turkish shotguns , you never know if your going to be able to buy parts again , they don't standardize on parts , change models , the Turks are and have always been horrible at documenting armory changes.
Posted By: PSPH17

Re: Youngest decides he dose not want semiautomatic - 08/31/21 01:27 AM

Stoeger makes a good O/U for a reasonable price. I have 2 of them. 20 ga and a youth model 410.
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