Ever think term limits

will ever happen? I don't but am interested in how it may someday become reality.

Not without a Constitutional Convention.

Simple. You serve 4 years. No pay. No retirement plan or benefits. Just like it was in the very beginning. That will solve the problem. Work and stay in the state you represent. Congress can be held over webcast. Just like they forced business to do during lock down for Covid. The White House chamber etc.. should be turned into a museum. For all Americans to come and see how our lawmakers use to do things in the old days. This would stop investigations. Sit downs. Meetings. Hearings. All the garbage that happens with all the fat cats in one chamber accomplishing nothing. On the tax payers dime.

Arkansas is on board and I believe Mississippi is too. Not sure how many states we are up to now. Term limits, strengthen the definition of the second, repeal the 17th. Would be nice.

Talked to a very politically smart, very conservative Federal Judge I know about term limits. He wasn't much for them. He said our biggest threat is the power bloated bureaucracy at the Federal level. His point was by only sending inexperienced representatives to DC we would only be empowering that deep rooted bureaucracy more. He said it is more important who you send than how long they are there.

That is an interesting take. Very worthy of a discussion. Can you elaborate? I disagree but would really like to be enlightened on both sides.

I got a few chores to finish but I'll try to post what little I can remember from the short discussion before I go to bed. The short of it is that in order to get change it will take people with experience, time and knowledge to learn, understand and slowly dissolve the grip and power that so many Federal agencies now have. Power they were never meant to have. A naive representative would never gain the understanding nor have the time needed to take that power away. His thoughts were new representative would just be starting the plan over from square one each time. He thought we would just be falling into the trap of the "deep state" if we set term limits.

Yes Sir why would inexperienced be the same as ineffective? I would expect most people entering politics without the promise of long-term income and benefits would be more sincere in their goals since they don't get unlimited shots at making a lasting advantage for themselves. I could see how if the 2 party system isn't reimagined then each politician may be just a new face with the party pulling the strings.

Repeal the 17th??

He got pretty deep pretty fast and it was a short conversation so I don't remember it all but I'll just say look at what the system did to Trump for 4 years. They didn't stop him completely but they kept him busy on a pretty short rope for 4 years.

YT, I don't know if that's part of the plan but I sure would like to see it happen. Imagine if the state legislatures once again chose the Senators. Conservatives would control the senate for a long time if the majority of state legislatures remained conservative as now. That's how country folk beat big city control.

Ive heard this discussion and it's worth paying heed to and thinking about.

congress is not likely to vote for term limits but they will probably vote for more $ and benefits for themselves....pigs @ the trough.

Interesting, I'd not heard about it. I live in a red enough state that we elect red senators but it's an interesting concept for sure.

I think Trump's failure to clean house in the different agencies that he had control over is what hurt him the worst. He could have done a lot more to rid us of the deep state but didn't. I don't understand why and looking back I'm sure he sees that.
As far as term limits, I'm all for them, but it will never happen. Once any politician gets in his main objective is reelection, everything else is secondary to keeping him in office.

I fail to understand your argument. How was Trump supposed to "clean house" other than exposing these hacks for what they were which he did on a regular basis. He didn't have the power to put them in chains. What else should he have done? how would you have done better?

Trump underestimated how bad it really was.....it is so bad it makes the tali look like boyscouts cub scouts.

It was shortly after Trump was in office and he spoke about term limits. I'm paraphrasing, but slimy Mitch was one of the first members of the swamp to basically say over my dead body and went on to say term limits are determined by the voters

When a Newbee goes to Washington, they are told of the process by the Old Dogs that are lifers there. There in lies the problem.

There are people in those offices(assistants) who clue the in coming person in on procedures. Assuming that the Newbee is totally ignorant is folly.

Finster, I know there were the heads of some agencies he could have replaced when they would drag their feet implementing his policies. Those new department heads could in turn replace people that were obstructing what the boss wanted. Remove people as far down the ladder as needed, down to the receptionist if warranted and have the department head hire people that will implement the policies the President wants.

I think Trump badly under estimated the people in a position to affect his ability to change the policies and replace them with peoples that had the same goals as the President.

We aren't going to get term limits on congress or senators , but it needs to be a decision by the people to be done with some of these Politian's who say much do nothing and the district suffers.

unfortunately most people are just not that involved

we have had difficulty even finding people for town council

people are busy making a living and living , 10 hours a month in meetings , well who wouldn't rather 10 hours of fishing a month

No way other than state convention. Swamp is to deep been in to long.
Even the suggestion makes congress upset not mention all the others
On the take!
Our country has to be the worst apathetic one on the planet with its population
Thinking singular instead as a whole, nothing is voted on for or about the future
Just for the current term !!!

I agree he could have replaced more people. However, he replaced a lot. Still not seeing how this has anything to do with term limits? Far as I'm concerned, we need to get rid of career politicians. It does nothing but breed corruption. The founding fathers missed this one. I suspect because they never saw the positions as overly powerful because of the sheer numbers. Back in the day, being in congress was almost like jury duty. I don't think they figured people would stay for 40 or 50 years.

I'm afraid the only way to get rid of all the career politicians is at the end of a gun. They will never leave by their own accord, they have a gravy train with biscuit wheels, they end up with a lot more money than they went in with. Wonder why? Besides the money they also have power, that's a heady combination to walk away from willingly.

Tough call we would all like to see term limits but what would the down sides be of it, that might be something to consider. I have seen State representatives support the voters wishes then go rogue when they no longer planned to run again. Seen the same with Governors the same thing they do good the first term then it’s all about their own legacy the last term.

Checks and balances need to be in place to benefit all concerned or corruption will still be in place maybe.

Look around you...woke is all over the place! Some of these "old dogs" need to stay in, but I agree something should change, just not sure what it is.

I think that there would be many more pros than cons. It would be a lot harder for corruption to settle with someone that can only be there 4 years rather than 40. Also, in my mind, it would be much easier for people not to go rogue since the platform they ran on would be the one they more than likely stick to rather than changing their mind throughout the decades. Obviously, it can all still happen, I just believe there would be much less of it. With limited time, a lot fewer shady backroom deals would be made since really knowing the other people (for decades) would also be a pro.

If I were shady, I'd be more apt to "go rogue" what's to lose? Not reelection...get mine while I'm there, just sayin.

The lobbyist will there day 1 trying to seal a 4 year deal will be a issue.

The federal congress would have a very different look or operational aspect to it as now the committee chairs are based on seniority and thus long serving reps have a lot of power. I don't know if that would be worse or better. The likelihood of have professionals with other than legal careers or backgrounds may increase as they could run for x number of terms to try and impact certain policies and then move on. The executive branch operates on 4 year cycles with a 2 term max. I am good with that. One would think that long serving senators and reps would be able to enact considerable legislation but they seem to use their seniority to mainly block hinder as there is not much or any real decisions made by debating the extremes to find workable solutions.

Bryce

I have long been a proponent of term limits, but I do believe Yes Sir is on to something. The deeply entrenched career bureaucrats in these Federal agencies may be even worse and more dangerous than the career politicians. Look at how the FBI, DOJ, IRS etc. worked against Trump. All things considered he got alot of good things done, but imagine if he'd had some cooperation along the way.

Name one old dog that has not been bought and paid for. Just because they have the correct letter after their name, or support the correct causes today does not make any difference. EVERY ONE OF THEM IS CORRUPT. Time to change the system.

If you want to drain the swamp, repeal the federal income tax. Maybe that should be on the docket of a Convention of States.

What constitutes an old dog?

10 years?

If so... I have a name for you.

Use to think your Pat Robert's was pretty honest until he went "to work" for a lobbiest group after retirement that represents large companies like Walmart and a few others. I suspect it was just to collect the rest of his "pension " he had earned working....... I mean representing them... i mean us.. Also looked at his net worth for the last 10 years and it looked questionable to a dum cowboy

Will say from what I've seen and know Pence looked like a straight shotter

biggest budget in the world and as corrupt as is possible......it ain't gonna get better any time soon, quit dreamin and face reality.

As long as politicians can pick winners and losers there will be corruption. There would be a lot less corruption if the government actually had to pay for the programs they create. A sound money system would put alot of things in check

Yote --- i'd like to hear it -- and show me the lack of a money trail. All of our "reps" have a modest salary ------- Where does the rest come from? I know they aren't good with money by just looking at their "programs". I would love to think that there was even one "honest" politician in the lot of the hundreds -- it would give me some hope.

obama is now a billionaire

Yeah, didn't care much for him myself. Thought Brownback was ok too, but sheesh!

I don't know if I can show you a lack of a money trail, but Rand Paul has been in there for 10 years and I don't believe he is bought and paid for.