Robert E Lee statue comes down.

POS
just don't stop.

We're doomed.

People who championed this will no doubt treat other people better now that this statue has been plucked from their eyes.

Pitiful what is happening to us as a nation.

Meanwhile, my lady is out in Rhode Island touring the mansion of the largest slave trader in the history of our country. Weirdest thing??

Is there a reason to visit Virginia now with all the Civil War memorabilia gone?

BLM-the American Taliban.

You can count on it I'm sure.

My ancestors fought for the Union during the Civil War. One was killed at Cold Harbor. Another was twice wounded. Despite my feelings about that war, it is part of the south's history, like it or not, and removing these statues is shameful, just to appease BLM.

Hey Richmond is and will still be known as the Confederate Capital of the South.......... Democratic's have destroyed our way of life here. Shameful how fast Blackface turned his back on the rest of the Commonwealth.

Heck I bet 99.9% of the people in the US didn't know that statue was there !! I didn't . If you don't know it even exist how is it hurting you ??

Maybe Montgomery should petition to take that title away from ya if y'all gonna keep letting them tear your statues down, lol.

X2

Nazism is part of Germany's history. Surely you don't think that all the Nazi symbolism erected in the 40s should still be standing, right? Surely you wouldn't say it's a shame that all the Nazi symbolism is gone, why is this any different? I agree that the civil war and Lee are a part of our history and shouldn't.ve forgotten. Same with Nazism in Germany.....it's a part of their history and shouldn't be forgotten. But, in both cases, statues to honor the heros of either movement seem more than a little bit inappropriate.

Take down Obama's he's restarted this whole race war against whites and non whites

I feel relieved there is no more racism in the country.

Maybe they will put another one of that Floyd guy in its place

Extreme comparisons like this are disgusting and why our history is being erased, to appease the small minority. Who is going to argue in favor of Nazism? What would happen if one did argue in favor of the Nazism side of this comparison? Last I knew the Confederacy wasn’t about extermination and world domination. If you were as smart as you think you are you’d know the difference yourself and wouldn’t continue propagating the divide in this country or drivel you just spewed out.



Owl

They feel they are exercising their new "POWER" and making a statement by wiping the historical record clean. This has been a common practice of almost all dictators throughout history.

The confederacy was formed, in the words of the seceding states, to protect the institution of slavery. Those aren't my words, those are the words in the documents those states submitted when they gave their reasons for secession. They explicitly said they wanted to protect their right to own slaves. The confederate constitution enshrined the right to own slaves, and in fact took away the rights of their states to eliminate slavery.
So is forming a country for the explicit purpose of protecting the institution of slavery any better or worse than extermination and world domination? Even if it's better, is it worth having statues to commemorate the "heros" of that country?

NOT an equal comparison by any reasonable standard.

loosebowel, you can kiss my southern arse with your hateful fascist bull crap.

Any student of "REAL" history knows that the civil war was fought over States Rights, and slavery even though it was rapidly disappearing at that time was part of the States Rights issue. Being able to determine your own course of action and not being dictated to.

now the whole nation is enslaved to a few big urban area swaying the election results thru fraudulent means....

They may be celebrating now but they ain’t gonna like the new statues going up in a few years. lol

They gotta eat.

Nailed it

Hobbie , thats what I have been saying for a long time now. Stop feeding them . They will then find out how little calories there are in brave facebook comments and that food does not grow in those little styrofoam trays.

I fully agree with 330 Belisle. The Obama's were responsible for starting this race issue.I strongly disagree with loosebowel. His comparisons do not hold up. When the south seceeded from the Union it was to protect their economy and way of life. Please don't get me wrong, I think slavery was a terrible thing. The war was to preserve the Union and I believe it to be a black mark on our history. However, hundreds of thousands of good men, from both sides died. It is our history and appeasing some groups is nothing more than political BS.
Nazism on the other hand was led by a fanatic for world domination. I know of no statues or memorials to honor that cause.

If the army would admit it today is doubtful but at one time General Lee was considered the finest field commander to have ever graduated from West Point.
Many forget his prior career. Graduated head of his class West Point, not a single demerit on his record.
Trained as an engineer he was responsible for to helping design many of the the coastal fortifications of his time.
Served in the Mexican American War, much of that time as a forward scout going around and behind enemy lines to map the terrain. Many credit this alone as the reason the US Army was able to march overland from Vera Cruz to Mexico City wining every engagement along the way.
Served as Commandant of West Point.
Commanded the party of marines that captured John Brown and retook Harper's Ferry Arsenal.
Offered command of the Union Army by Lincoln.
Did not seek command of the Confederate Army nor any major command instead accepting President Davis' request to serve as his military advisor.
Personally opposed to slavery.

Educate yourself on the life of Robert E. Lee and you will find he was a great man in everyway.

The fact is Robert E. Lee never wanted any statures put up in his honor!

If they take Bobby Orr’s statue down a the Boston Gaahden....there’s gonnah be trouble

Yes. With him holding a gun to the belly of a pregnant woman.

That. oBama statue wood (would ) make and excellent scent post.....any one making them in like 18 inches tall....I’d start trapping coyotes and get out of the water for that.

I am in agreement with Loosegoose as far as the statues honoring Confederate generals needing to be removed from public places (other than historical landmarks). They never should have been put up in the first place. However, I don't like it being driven by BLM. Instead, I'd like to see it done by the citizens of the southern states via referendum. If the majority votes to leave them up, so be it.

The idea that slavery was on the way out in 1860 and that the Civil War was only about state rights is pure fantasy. You can argue otherwise but historical documentation will not support your arguments. The south had no intention of giving up slavery and totally rejected the idea of slavery dying a slow death in the cotton states. As an example, Southern politicians pushed an attempt to buy Cuba from Spain to create another slave state. They also supported insurrection in Nicaragua in the hope of making it another slave state with the goal of spreading insurrection in central america for the same purpose.

A time capsule is replacing the statue. In has among other things a magazine article featuring the George Floyd story!

I’m thinking that’s not going to bring in a lot of tourism dollars. Residents better get ready to open their wallets for a little more taxes. lol

That's interesting.....why do you suppose the CSA didn't allow their states to get rid of slavery (per the CSA constitution) if that's what they wanted? If they were so big on states rights, why didnt they allow their states to decide for themselves on the issue of slavery? Why did the CSA decide to put a clause in their constitution that said their states could t get rid of slavery, instead of giving their states the right to determine their own course of action?

I will gladly place all the monuments that are getting taken down on my farm. Unfortunately I don't have the right connections or financial means to do so

You would definitely be the most popular farm in the country if you could.

Just curious, where are these statues going? How are they being "disposed of"??

Would be interesting to see that statue on ebay in 50 years sell for 10 or 15 million, lol

I live way up here in northern Maine and there is a Civil War monument in the center of town. They're all over Maine. Kids are going to get just half the story.

Only way to preserve our history is to vote the jerks out that would try to hide our history. There is a reason there is the right, it’s because they ARE!

Yep

Let me ask all you loosebowel types a question.

What specifically do you find so objectionable about American historical slave practice that you are willing to castigate and shame a broad section of your compatriots today, compatriots they had no part in the actions you decry, yet not one word towards the existence of slavery today much less any actual action in opposition.

I knew this was coming. It's not about you.

The energy of the self-righteous tendencies just escalated with social media. It's always been easier to see the flaws in others rather than look in the mirror.
The revisionists can feel good about themselves when they post a blog, or pic, or screen shot with, "Look at me standing against _______ in the name of _________ " < insert the word "me" at the end.

Wish they'd just go home and take a good look;
In the mirror.
Under the rug.
In their own fridge.

And focus on fixing that 1st.

But they won't.
They'll just find another "something else."

Blessings,
Mark

This seems like an appropriate place for someone to post the John Hale Band's I Am A Rebel Soldier.
(I'd do it myself if'n I knew how)

Here's are some little understood historical facts.

Slavery has existed from time immemorial to present day.
Slavery has existed in all cultures in all parts of the inhabitated world.
All races, nationalities and cultures have been enslaved or slave holder at various times through history.
The human race has practiced slavery longer than than it has not.

Again I ask, what makes American slave practice particularly heinous?

I am of the opinion that the ruckus over the civil war era, whether names, or statues, or anything else is a smokescreen.
Like all the progressivism bent on destroying this civil society does.
Draw you over here, as they work over there.

First of all, these no-nothings doing the tear it downs, are idiots. They couldn't spell Robert E. Lee or Thomas Jefferson.

The civil war was the most devastating time in our nations history. Brother against brother. And more. Horror in our land. Regardless of what side.
Those days are now 160 years in the past.

If you hate this land and the people in it, what would you do.
Same as people ALL do. Open old wounds.

That's what these Soros idiots are being told to do. Open America's deepest wounds and make her people HATE each other again.
I like northerners and I Southerners. And I like white and dark and brown and yellow.
I admit I'm not warm on these hater idiots but my carnal side is not made righteous in this life....
Resist the division the pawns try to evoke.

Blessings!
Mark

The Russians are doing it!

Russia has done everything but buy fur from us.

Like I said, backwards.

Those Slavs have to be just about freezing by now.

Just more B.S. IMO

The difference was brother against brother to save what at that time was there way of life. Hitler wanted the world to fall before the German race.

Nailed it

American slavery was particularly heinous to me because I'm an American. Slavery in other countries is a problem for the people that live in those other countries to confront.

Lee was a great man, soldier, leader and tactician. However..... Even he was opposed to erecting monuments for the confederacy.

It's easy for people to sit back and say the statues and memorials should be taken down. It's harder when you add the human aspect in.

Have any of you heard of the University Grays? Excepting 4, every single student of the University of Mississippi joined the Confederate army. They all became Company A of the 11th MS Infantry, also known as the University Grays. They fought in many battles before that fateful day at Gettysburg. When the Grays charged the entrenched Yankees on Cemetery Hill they made it further beyond enemy lines than any other unit. And they suffered 100% casualties.

Do you want to look into the eyes of a young Ole Miss student whose great great Granddad was also an alumnus of the same school he's going to, that went off to war and never came home, that the stained glass window pictured below that was made in memory of his great great granddad and his friends that all died there, should be taken down because your opinion is that his relative fought on the wrong side?

Most of these Godless heathens tearing down statues don't even know who their daddy's are much less their grandfathers.

There is an estimated 650,000 slaves in the United States of America today and more are being brought across the Southern border each and every day.
What are you doing as an American about today's slavery in this country ?

Well it's a good thing it was over over a hundred years before you were born. If not I'm not sure how you could handle it.

For some reason it dose not bother me at all. It's over and done with. Well kind of now there are a lot of v welfare slaves. But that's not dictated by race.

Don't anyone tell loosebowel that democracy arose in ancient Athens, a slave state.

Loosestool would be funnier if you're trying to make a diarrhea joke.

Why have a statue up to celebrate the losing team?

Absolutely

Not entirely his fault. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have made good livings off race baiting.

Who said we lost?

You can remove all the statues and symbols, but you can't change past history no matter how you try to rewrite it!

You just succeeded in making yourself look more foolish--which is hard to imagine, given some of your previous pathetic posts. So Southern slavery wasn't so bad because other people did it? You're despicable.

Jim

For Savell...

Loosegoose is correct on every count.

Jim

Well. You done been told.

Their goal isn't to rewrite history, their goal is to rewrite the country. The world. Leftists are on the march.

^ yup they B marching and the right is sitting on their hands....they have lots of momentum.

First off I never defended AMERICAN slavery. Get that right, AMERICAN not just southern. Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware slave states all remained in the union. Chattel slavery was LEGAL in the UNITED States.

Facts are facts and that is all I pointed out you pathetic despicable worm.

So I repeat, what made AMERICAN slavery worse than the historical norm?

Did we castrate boys to make eunuchs like the muslims?
Sacrifice them to our gods like the Aztecs?
Chain them to their oars like the Romans?

Spit it out.

Here you go Yote ... the latest from my dear Momma ... she’s gone to rootin around on Dads side now lol

...I ain’t aloud to share my thoughts in here I’d imagine ....lol

Does the US Calvary have any monuments at little bighorn?

Yes. And they need to be removed. Someone somewhere is surly offended.

General Lee said you lost, when he surrendered at Appomattox.

Notice who's flag is in the background. It's ain't the CSA's flag.

I'm not. History is what it is and there's not a man alive that can change it. Lee was a US man a long time before he was a CS man and tearing him down proves nothing.

... and now this is your prize... congrats Yanks lol

Savell wasn't he a texan?

Sure wish you guys would have kept him down there

... well he might not have made the cut if it weren’t for y’all yanks

Truth in that

.. when are y’all going to give up on reconstruction by the way .... it ain’t working lol

... or should I say it’s working too well ?

Erasing history is bad. Erasing culture is bad. Succumbing to the social media mob is bad. This whole exercise is woke nonsense that will have real consequences. The guilt driven whites cheering for the removal of statutes are not going to like how this ends. Spend some time in Atlanta or Houston and you will know real quick what I mean.

I am going to put a fresh coat of paint on my lawn jockey this weekend to balance out the universe.

Follow the money, a lot of people are making a living of all of this. JMO

Neat! Well, not that he got caught and died. But neat knowing the history. I think the thought you shared with your mom sums up your thoughts here nicely, lol.

No one won that war. Not the south, not the north, and surely not the blacks.

... from all the griping and moaning I see on this site from y’all up north hands makes me think y’all want to rebel against things a big government is trying to force on y’all.... almost makes me think you might be “rebels” lol

... say y’all were wrong and if it weren’t for sheer numbers and supply lines y’all would be in better shape about now

..... Go on and admit it lol

It's a slight of hand.

More slaves in America today then there was when the blue fought the grey.
Sex and indentured both are growing in numbers.
These categories aren't called "slaves." That sounds harsh. Society doesn't like that word because a statue might need to come down .... so it's called "trafficking."
2017 stats from UofTexas were 80,000 sex slaves and 235,000 indentured slaves IN TEXAS alone.
More every day.

Tear another statue down.
Enslave busload of humans in 2021.
There are dedicated people fighting hard every day over trafficking and people like statue tearer downers are a MAJOR hindrance to their efforts for various reasons.
Melody (don't remember her last name) from UT-Austin spoke at out chapel a couple years ago and it was eye opening.
She said the sex trade is escalating at an incredible rate and those trafficked into the sex and porn industry then ruin everything they touch.
Our culture is enslaved to so many things that are killing us and our kids.
But tear down another statue.

Sure,
We don't even fight over the right stuff anymore.


Blessings,
Mark

Oh, I wish I was In The Land Of Cotton...........

Most of those sex slaves are really drug addicts. Pimp keeps them high till their physical decline prevents them bringing him enough profit. Then they get by on roller dogs and motel rooms for awhile then become homeless and eventually die in the street. Thats the reality no one wants to talk about

The problem with free markets and free people is crime and poverty. Less freedom and no free markets wont slow that any but people think laws can change it. The bottom line is some people are born with a proclivity to laziness and or a desire to prey on others. Laws cant change that

Democrats hate statue's worse than the Taliban, oh i forgot they are both on the same team.


We'll all be living under a Chinese flag anyway so it doesn't matter.

I'm still waiting to hear from someone actually harmed or that can cite a single differentiating factor in the American version of a practice that has long been the historical norm of humanity.

What actual harm comes to you by removing the statue? (Besides your southern pride, of course.)

Erasing my history. To a man my direct patrilineal line fought for their liberty on the side of Alabama from Shiloh to Spanish Fort. On my maternal line they fought from Manassas to Petersburg under Lee.

And yes I'll trot that old saw that they were not slave holders, or at least 99% of them. My paternal line has always been landowners of land so poor that it barely kept them fed much less a slave. Mama's folks were much the same though some were in business and most notable was one who did in fact own the proverbial cotton plantation. They in contrast to my father's side fared much worse losing almost everything. Some built back, many didn't and some even share cropped land they once owned.
We still own that poor dirt on Dad's side.

What you and most of the modern woke fail to understand in your pursuit of the eternal hedonistic now is that our individual lives are of no real import save that in what we preserve for our progeny. It is my desire to pass to my heirs the same freedoms and liberties that my forefathers fought to preserve.

Um.......if your ancestors fought for the south, they didn't fight for freedom. Maybe they fought for what they viewed as *their*freedom, but they certainly didn't fight for the freedom of *all* southerners. The CSA codified slavery into their constitution, and if the south had won, slavery would have been the law of the land in the CSA. That's the exact opposite of freedom. Anyone who fought for the south fought for a country that wanted to make it illegal for a state to ban slavery.....the exact opposite of states rights.

Sounds like you're a lot better off under the union than your relatives were under the confederation..

Every time I read another story about folks on a warpath, rage, rant, vent or any other display of anger, Wayne Cordeiro's quote comes to mind;

Seldom are your critics actually disappointed in you. They are usually disappointed in themselves, their circumstances, or God. You are simply a convenient target.

Tear down another statue. It won't help anything.

I would save the Union. ... If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. Abraham Lincoln

Don't kid yourself Lincoln's war was as much about the north's economic stranglehold on the south as our own economic interests.

Only because we held faith to our land not an ideology.

Taking down statues is peanuts to what the "woke" are up to.

Check out the warnings our National Archives just put up.

https://www.archives.gov/research/reparative-description/harmful-content

How long until our Constitution and Bill of Rights is just too offensive to allow read????

What is that phrase about doomed to repeat it?

The last set of answers say it all...what are they dong to address it?
Their answer says in layman's terms...rewriting it.

the nara statement is very disconcerting.

A true American hero that mercifully showed restraint towards the rebs.

So, the north would have been the more liberal group......and they had no problems destroying the south to win......there may be a lesson there somewhere.

You've got to be joking!

This argument makes no sense. If they codified it in there Constitution, then they all agreed to it. Hence, that was supporting "their" states rights. You need to find a better argument.

Imagine how much longer and lives lost if he didnt embark on his drive to the sea. War should be terrible to prevent it from happening. After all....
The rebs started it by attacking Sumter. Even Georgians were thankful and appreciative of Sherman when he returned to Atlanta in 1871.

You need to stop with all that propaganda.

Interesting Op Ed

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/534248-robert-lee-virginia-monument/

From the article......

Eisenhower also considered Robert E. Lee “one of the supremely gifted men produced by our nation ... selfless almost to a fault … noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.”

“From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul,” Eisenhower continued. “Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities … we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.”

A war criminal by today's standards.

Here's a bit more about your hero loosegoose.

https://civilwarodyssey.blogspot.com/2011/03/behind-curtain-rape-and-other-horrors.html

Sherman

For sure and that is why we don't really win them anymore.

Maybe when you grow up and get a little older you will see there are two sides to everything. If you erase history it will repeat itself in one form or another. And before you take offense about the age remark the last time this came up you wanted to shoot all slave owners in the face . Very grown up. By the way as I pointed out then it meant shooting most of the founding fathers. The war was fought over money. But you quote this paper and that is it just possible you are quoting the fake news of that time? None of us can say for sure.

Seriously? Good Lord.

We're not talking about today's standards in this thread.

This is funny, I don't care who you are

Funny thing, not a single attempt at a reply to my question yet.

Just once I'd like to see a lib fight facts with facts. But higher reason is beyond their emotional ability.

... I reckon that ain’t gonna happen lol

I reckon not.

If the North and the South would go at it again today, the North don't believe in guns anymore so...........

You should come up here to the North and see just how many guns there are.

I know.......I'm from the North myself but.....how times have changed. The cities are pure puss.

That's quite simple. They were working to keep the coalition of Confederate states together and wanted everyone to be rowing in tandem. Slavery was on it's way out at that time. And, to read more from "Live Science", Google Busted-Civil War Myths and learn.

What comes to mind right away would be the erasing of the nations history? Does that matter? I prefer being educated over woke.

You could also say that no harm comes to anyone by leaving them.

I think LoosGoos grew up in Chicago so........