China's grubby hands in Afghanistan

If this thread is inappropriate, just axe it bossman.


I see where china's is sending aid to the Taliban in their search of getting all of the untapped resources in that land. What your view of the outcome?

If we go back, it will be twice as hard. Taliban has complete control and now china is friends with them.

Your views? I guess we can expect more attacks on our soil now? Man did we screw up by leaving thanks to Joe.

This is a humanitarian disaster!

It's not just Joe you have to thank. Mainly you should thank his predecessor's agreement on behalf of the US to depart regardless of whether the required "negations" left the Taliban in charge.

How the agreement was performed by the US is of course Biden's responsibility. The distinction is important.

Jim

Trump didn't pull all the troops before leaving or leave all the weapons.

Once again TDS on display. Just such a scholarly man as yourself surely is aware that you are once again spewing only half-truths. Agreed that Trump did indeed set up a withdrawal plan, but the point you and others of your ilk fail to mention us that there were many conditions which were to be met before the withdrawal would happen. Funny how that part is seemingly always left out conveniently by “your” side. Carry on now, just trying to keep the information factual. sorry ‘bout that James

I'm thinking Trump made a deal with China. We withdraw, let Taliban control and China support to get resources on the understanding that China keeps Afghanistan neutered, not allowing a base to attack America. Its China's priblem now and plays into their OBOR project. I'm sure there would be some incentives that China had to include towards American business to make it equitable.

This disaster is all Biden no one in there right mind could think anything else.

That was Biden's doing, yes, concrete man.

Buck mink asked, "What [is] your view of the outcome?" and expressed dislike of the fact the Taliban are now in charge and they're making friends with China. These outcomes were the result of Trump's agreement.

Jim

The way it was handled was all Biden. How come the current administration has no problem taking apart what Trump done when it comes to basically everything else but then says they have to do what Trump said?

Biden has shown weakness since the day he took office and if he stays in office or anyone with a D behind their name it won't be any better. Biden hates the USA and the majority of his voters do as well.

You sound like you think we should've stayed instead of Trumps idea of leaving?

To be accurate on your facts, please give the many "conditions" the Taliban were required to perform. The only two I can recall are that the Taliban would not allow Afghanistan to be used by al Queda or other groups to threaten the security of the US or its partners, and that the Taliban would engage in "talks and negotiations" with the elected government of Afghanistan, which wasn't consulted by the US before making the agreement. The agreement didn't even require the Taliban to hold negotiations in good faith.

Perhaps you recall or can find more "conditions." By the way, the agreement contains no actual conditions, just terms the parties agreed to perform. The difference is not semantic.

The US agreed to release 5,000 Taliban terrorists (as defined by US government and law), and performed that term of the agreement. (Where was the outrage then?) The Taliban then conducted "negotiations" and satisfied their promises under the agreement.

All that remained was the US promise to withdraw. The mismanagement of the withdrawal is Biden's responsibility, and he ought to pay for it next election, if the GOP offers a reasonable candidate.

Jim

We spar on who is at fault when the winner is for today China and they have been patiently waiting for 40 years with the USSR and the USA spending fortunes and lives to keep the country easy for them to use as a huge resource. The few million people in Afghanistan will not be hard for them to work with and route in the direction(s) they want to go. Seventy years ago the battle was mostly democracy backed by wealth and authority managed by fear and control. The two are still there but now they also have wealth to invest and that is a real game changer and one the Western nations need to get a grasp of.

Bryce

China wants the lithium resource for sure.. Barisma (where have I heard that name) needs an oil pipeline.. Follow the money...

I think during the Trump term we should have escalated our pounding of the Taliban, EVEN IF WE HAD TO FOLLOW THEM INTO PAKISTAN, until we exterminated them or until they agreed to arbitration that left them only one of several viable political parties in Afghanistan.

Don't know if it would have worked, but the outcome could not possibly have been worse than what we have now.

I blame Obama for not making a genuine effort to do the above during his eight years.

Thanks for the civil question, btw.

Jim

I don't think a puppet govt would've lasted any longer with them gone. Too many countries got bogged down in the same land with the same results.

You can't kill an ideoligy.

If the Afghans had elected the Taliban, so be it.

Jim

All I hear from the words is the voice of Charlie Brown's teacher ....wa wa wa......wa wa. Wa wa wa.

What if the puppet govt worked with the Chinese?

The only way I see that we kept any control was we own it. I'm glad we're out, I'm not very proud of the debacle Biden made of it tho.

A show of hands of those shocked that this poster is number two on this thread? Another show of hands of those shocked this Joe Biden** supporter blamed Trump right away?

Should the GOP candidate simply have to have a pulse? I heard that somewhere before....

Which puppet government? Afghanistan's or Americas?

lol. About the same ain't they!

Doesn't make any difference to your main point, but the prior government, before the Taliban re-took control, was elected. Don't you remember, back in the last of the Bush days, when people proudly showed their purple-stained thumbs to prove they had voted?

Jim

Just pointing out the obvious....

My main point is, there was nothing wrong with leaving, just the mess the idiot made of doing it.

The other point is, unless we stayed, we have no control if they worked with China.

I don't agree we should have left with our tail tucked between our legs. For the rest you are correct.

Jim

EXPLAIN

For once got to agree with James. The exit should of came with conditions and if not followed bomb them into oblivion as that seems all they respect. They should of never been able to access those weapons even down to the rifles and night vision.

We were stuck in a never ending war about the same as the war on drugs. We should of learned from Russia's try ahead of us. I don't think China will have much better time then we had as they don't have a centralized government. If they can't find anyone else they will be happy to carry on with their fight between tribes.

You left off an important part of that post, Oh Snap, and you didn't ask please, lol, but I'll take a stab.

The outcomes I talked about were the Taliban taking charge of the country, and then making friends with China. Part of the job of making an agreement is to predict what will happen if an agreement is performed and what will happen if it's breached.

The only things the Taliban offered was a promise not to allow groups to threaten US security, and a promise to "negotiate" with the elected government of Afghanistan. They negotiated as far as they wanted to a non-agreement. Their promise not to threaten our security will probably be kept because they don't want us to return.

The Taliban have been pounded by US forces for twenty years. Many of them have been killed, and those have surviving family and friends who now hate us, the US. They also hate the Russians for the same reason. That leaves only one world power for them to turn to: China.

These outcomes should have been predictable when the agreement was made.

Jim

When you change an agreement from it's initial form you then OWN it and what happens. I can't see if Trump was still president letting things go as they happened. If the citizens of Afghanistan won't fight for their own country how long are we to prop them up? Last I knew we weren't into seizing another countries assets or annexing them to guard them for ourselves..

Drifter, I agree with your last point. Biden did change the withdrawal date. I don't know how that came to be, whether it was with the Taliban's consent, or whether the Taliban considered it a breach.

Jim

Please!

I read the agreement. I believe the agreement would have been able to, if implemented, would have enough teeth to keep China out of Afghanistan since China is our enemy. The Biden administration is owned by China so without any agreement they have free reign!

Trump cleaned up every mess Biden/Obama left him over there in fine fashon.
Syria, Iran, Rocket man and ISIS .

No reason to believe he didn't have this under control either.

In the famous words of an ex official Clinton, what difference does it make now ??

Biden screwed up the deal made by intervening new actions and ignoring Trumps past negotiating, how that is Trumps fault escapes me LOL, but as usual Democrat's will waste no time trying to blame Trump for something he has no control over.

Biden made the withdrawal his, he owns it and anything associated with it because of how he had it done, not some previous predecessor, he could have waited but he wanted to show he meant business and made the call, end of argument really.

Not listening to any military about leaving the goodies behind probably was not even given to him to make a call on, and his past history of not making any decisions of a forward movement in the positive is well known, This was a hurry up and do job and was muddled right from the get go.

China now reaps the rewards, a new mineral development, new arms to reverse engineer, some new people to watch over which they probably can easily move in and take care of, seeing as they are much more on point about that than either the US or Russia ever was, who gets the shaft, the continued population of the country who will be enslaved by the Taliban as well as China not permitting anything to go on, so they can keep the Taliban as friends.

There is no more bearing on our country , except those left behind and continued to be forced to wait now that there is no free flights in and out, all will fade away in a couple months, just as before when we had our hands tied over there when the politicians got involved with wars clear back in Viet Nam !!

I can't see Trump ever letting them have access to all the high tech weapons either. We house tons of weapons in Germany as well as other countries it could of been transported to instead. At the very least any sensitive equipment should of been destroyed. The repercussions to this is going to take a long time to get past. The Chinese will reverse engineer and find a lot that can hurt us in the long run. The site system on our tanks are far superior to theirs alone not to mention they helicopters weapon system. The missile defense system left at the airport may well be a real danger to our whole defense system. We know it was still functional before our troops left as they used it to down what was shot at them.

It was under control, but then a stolen election.

So if they don't want us to return will that keep them from attacking our soil per say?

Yes, shoulda been destroyed!

china has paid the biden family millions over the years and even helped him cheat to get elected,,,,,why would they do that?hmmm