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Posted By: drasselt

Soft Secession - 10/06/21 09:01 PM


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".... Abraham Lincoln... "a house divided against itself cannot stand" ..."

"Is America nearing a similar point in 2021? Today it is not so much North versus South or free states versus slave states; rather, it is red states versus blue states, the heartland versus the coastal states, elites versus middle class, leftists versus conservatives. No matter how you chose to define the divide, a chasm has grown between two distinct groups living within the U.S. The room for compromise and accommodation seems to be shrinking by the day. Joe Biden's candidacy was based on the promise that he would bring us together. Look at what we got instead: more divisiveness, stoked by the Biden administration itself."

"...political scientists no longer think the idea of a crack-up of the Union is beyond the pale. ... a September 30 poll by the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia showing that over half of Trump voters surveyed nationwide and 41 percent of Biden voters are in favor of blue and/or red states seceding from the union. This is poll isn't the only one showing such a sentiment. An earlier YouGov poll in June revealed that 66 percent of Southern Republicans surveyed said they wanted the Southern states to go their own way."

"As Steven Malanga, writing at City Journal, points out, the new secession movement predates the Trump-Biden race in 2020. That election, along with the reaction to the Wuhan virus, merely rubbed salt in the nation's wound that already was there."

"Secession does not necessarily need to be hard and formal as the South tried in 1861. It can be a United States evolving back to a true republic as it was initially meant to be. In that scenario, states would have more autonomy to enact laws that suit their citizens and not be ruled from the imperial capital on the Potomac. This would begin with states refusing to obey objectionable federal laws or decrees of the Supreme Court."

"Yes, even a soft secession could lead to conflict. But ... that's better than being dictated to by a distant elite, which doesn't come close to sharing my values and is bound and possessed to dictate how I live my life. And if the polls cited above are valid, more and more people shared that view. Once a critical mass is reached, secession in one form or another can take on a life of its own."
Posted By: yotetrapper30

Re: Soft Secession - 10/06/21 11:01 PM

I wouldn't have figured the number of people favoring secession would have been nearly that high!
Posted By: Boco

Re: Soft Secession - 10/06/21 11:14 PM

You should have a referendum to decide.
50%+1 wins.Leave or Stay
Posted By: James

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 12:24 AM

Together we're the strongest nation in the world, militarily, economically, and culturally.

Would you rather be part of a second-rate country? Should we turn into two Canadas?

The red states would certainly be a second-rate nation without the blue states. Be careful what you wish for.

Jim
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 12:30 AM

All we need to do is get rid of democrats.
Posted By: white marlin

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by James
Together we're the strongest nation in the world, militarily, economically, and culturally.

Would you rather be part of a second-rate country? Should we turn into two Canadas?

The red states would certainly be a second-rate nation without the blue states. Be careful what you wish for.

Jim


if we're not FREE, it isn't worth spit.
Posted By: grisseldog

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 12:55 AM

Democraps and news media has got to go
Posted By: Chancey

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by James
Together we're the strongest nation in the world, militarily, economically, and culturally.

Would you rather be part of a second-rate country? Should we turn into two Canadas?

The red states would certainly be a second-rate nation without the blue states. Be careful what you wish for.

Jim


if we're not FREE, it isn't worth spit.



I agree with James on the first sentence. The rest is absolute nonsense.

Blue states will be starving to death in a matter of weeks if the red states were to cut them off today. The blue states need the food and resources that are within the red states so much that they would invade and start a civil war...........Deja vu perhaps?........where have we seen this before?
Posted By: 52Carl

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 01:34 AM

Oh trust me. It is still "Free States vs Slave States" The only difference is that the slaves are not based on race now. The new Masters are in the Democrat party.
Posted By: Chancey

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 01:46 AM

The blue counties have much more votes, which in turn means many more mouths to feed. If there was a soft secession of red states, there is not a doubt in my mind that the current federal government along with its military capabilities would act immediately against all states and governors. The red counties are producing the majority of the food and clothing resources. This is why liberal billionaires, the Chinese, the Soros' of the world etc. are buying up American farm and ranch land. They have taxed and cheated the family and small to medium size farmers out of existence on purpose and are gladly here to lend a helping hand to feed the their socialist debacles and also the world. Chancey

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Posted By: Posco

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 01:50 AM

I can live without avacado. Hard or soft, let's get on with it.
Posted By: James

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 01:53 AM

Yes, and let those Southerners keep their chili-beanless chili too.

Whoops! I forgot, I'm being held prisoner in a red state. Help!

Jim
Posted By: jeff karsten

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 01:58 AM

Let them starve watching cnn Sorry i guess all they (Libbers Progessives wokes) have to do is vote to raise the debt ceiling won't cost a cent Right
Posted By: Marty

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 02:03 AM

I am not for any secession. I am for enforcing the constitution, stopping the progression of progressives and hand written ballots with id. Take it all back from the vote cheats....I do not think newsome actually/legally won the recent vote either...we simply need to crush the liberals/whatever it takes and save the republic.
Posted By: drasselt

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Marty
I am not for any secession. I am for enforcing the constitution, stopping the progression of progressives and hand written ballots with id. Take it all back from the vote cheats....I do not think newsome actually/legally won the recent vote either...we simply need to crush the liberals/whatever it takes and save the republic.


That seemed to pretty much be the author's conclusion:


"Secession does not necessarily need to be hard and formal as the South tried in 1861. It can be a United States evolving back to a true republic as it was initially meant to be. In that scenario, states would have more autonomy to enact laws that suit their citizens and not be ruled from the imperial capital on the Potomac. This would begin with states refusing to obey objectionable federal laws or decrees of the Supreme Court."
Posted By: yotetrapper30

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by drasselt
Originally Posted by Marty
I am not for any secession. I am for enforcing the constitution, stopping the progression of progressives and hand written ballots with id. Take it all back from the vote cheats....I do not think newsome actually/legally won the recent vote either...we simply need to crush the liberals/whatever it takes and save the republic.


That seemed to pretty much be the author's conclusion:


"Secession does not necessarily need to be hard and formal as the South tried in 1861. It can be a United States evolving back to a true republic as it was initially meant to be. In that scenario, states would have more autonomy to enact laws that suit their citizens and not be ruled from the imperial capital on the Potomac. This would begin with states refusing to obey objectionable federal laws or decrees of the Supreme Court."


But as soon as states start doing that, the federal gov't will cut off all their funding. I don't think most states are prepared for that.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by drasselt
Originally Posted by Marty
I am not for any secession. I am for enforcing the constitution, stopping the progression of progressives and hand written ballots with id. Take it all back from the vote cheats....I do not think newsome actually/legally won the recent vote either...we simply need to crush the liberals/whatever it takes and save the republic.


That seemed to pretty much be the author's conclusion:


"Secession does not necessarily need to be hard and formal as the South tried in 1861. It can be a United States evolving back to a true republic as it was initially meant to be. In that scenario, states would have more autonomy to enact laws that suit their citizens and not be ruled from the imperial capital on the Potomac. This would begin with states refusing to obey objectionable federal laws or decrees of the Supreme Court."


Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
But as soon as states start doing that, the federal gov't will cut off all their funding. I don't think most states are prepared for that.


Where does the fed get their funding?
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 10:59 AM

More and more from debt.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 11:31 AM

The grass is not greener in the other country.
The world is becoming more and more unified by communication, technology, and travel options.

Stay where you're at, dig in and prayer that an Advocate
helps you be the change you wish to see.
In your church.
In your family.
In your country.

Pretty basic stuff at the end of the day.
Every human has a closet.
Make sure yours is cleaner before you root around in the neighbor's closet.

Blessings!
Mark
Posted By: yotetrapper30

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper


Where does the fed get their funding?


Lately? They print it.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper


Where does the fed get their funding?


Lately? They print it.


lol
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by James
Together we're the strongest nation in the world, militarily, economically, and culturally.

Would you rather be part of a second-rate country? Should we turn into two Canadas?

The red states would certainly be a second-rate nation without the blue states. Be careful what you wish for.

Jim

If the democrats keep it up, we will be a second rate country.
Posted By: PAlltheway

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 02:10 PM

Today’s political divide is almost exactly what it was in 1860: slavers vs abolitionists.
The Left, led by the Democrat Communist Party and enabled by the greedy, sleepy GOPe, wishes to enslave all Americans to a big all-knowing, all seeing, all controlling government. This is not freedom, but slavery. Opposing this well organized effort is a hodge podge of states, governors, counties, a few leading citizens, and well over half of the citizenry.
Slavery or freedom, this is the choice we face in 2021.
This time around no Democrat Communists should be left standing. The Republican Party’s biggest mistake was in 1865, when instead of outlawing the lawless insurrectionist Democrat Party, they actually enabled it and propped it up, kept it going. Now look where that kindness took us.
And Trump’s only mistake that he alone owns is the failure to start a new political party on the corpse of the fatally rotten GOP.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by James
Together we're the strongest nation in the world, militarily, economically, and culturally.

Would you rather be part of a second-rate country? Should we turn into two Canadas?

The red states would certainly be a second-rate nation without the blue states. Be careful what you wish for.

Jim


Have you ever thought about how easy it is to be Canada? Being number 1 comes with a lot of responsibility. Especially militarily. We are probably not the number 1 producer anymore. Culturally? Must be some liberal gibberish?
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 03:27 PM

Taking the US from energy independent to energy dependent changes us from being the strongest nation in the world on anything!
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Soft Secession - 10/07/21 03:46 PM

The ones running this country would never allow and kind of split. They want control and power and they aren't about split it up
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