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Posted By: run

Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 10:10 AM

$3.05 in Elkton, VA. I have had a Pennsylvania man ask for off road Diesel price in the past. Here you go.
Posted By: Feedinggrounds

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 10:43 AM

At my wife's store they have installed steel bollards and a short hose at the off road diesel pump. The pump is next to the Rec gas pump. the intention is for on road diesel pump to be used for vehicles, and off road to be pumped in fuel caddies or cans only. I don't think they were forced, it was a parking lot traffic jam with folks avoiding the road tax on the off road diesel for pickups v/s over the road diesel.
Posted By: TraderVic

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
At my wife's store they have installed steel bollards and a short hose at the off road diesel pump. The pump is next to the Rec gas pump. the intention is for on road diesel pump to be used for vehicles, and off road to be pumped in fuel caddies or cans only. I don't think they were forced, it was a parking lot traffic jam with folks avoiding the road tax on the off road diesel for pickups v/s over the road diesel.


It's a $1500 fine here in WI for anyone caught with off road diesel in a non Ag use tank.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 01:41 PM

They dip test tanks at the cattle sales here on sale days.
Posted By: SJA

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 01:41 PM

Here, the fine is $1000 PER GALLON that the tank COULD HOLD for non AG use!
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
At my wife's store they have installed steel bollards and a short hose at the off road diesel pump. The pump is next to the Rec gas pump. the intention is for on road diesel pump to be used for vehicles, and off road to be pumped in fuel caddies or cans only. I don't think they were forced, it was a parking lot traffic jam with folks avoiding the road tax on the off road diesel for pickups v/s over the road diesel.



that is dumb you would loose a lot of business if you can't pull in and fill the tractor , hay bine , skid steer, the 100 gallon tank in the back of the truck you would loose your best customers.

guys who only need a few gallons for a truck would easily put it in cans and take it home and pour it in

I use it to run my furnace I have a tank I can put in my truck and fill with 100 gallons at a time.
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Law Dog
They dip test tanks at the cattle sales here on sale days.

I believe a search warrant would be needed. I have heard rumors to this affect but have never seen it, and I have been to the salesbarn alot.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Law Dog
They dip test tanks at the cattle sales here on sale days.

I believe a search warrant would be needed. I have heard rumors to this affect but have never seen it, and I have been to the salesbarn alot.


Agree with that not like I can dig through random cars at the same time Iíd need a reason and and a warrant to do so.
Posted By: Providence Farm

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
At my wife's store they have installed steel bollards and a short hose at the off road diesel pump. The pump is next to the Rec gas pump. the intention is for on road diesel pump to be used for vehicles, and off road to be pumped in fuel caddies or cans only. I don't think they were forced, it was a parking lot traffic jam with folks avoiding the road tax on the off road diesel for pickups v/s over the road diesel.



that is dumb you would loose a lot of business if you can't pull in and fill the tractor , hay bine , skid steer, the 100 gallon tank in the back of the truck you would loose your best customers.

guys who only need a few gallons for a truck would easily put it in cans and take it home and pour it in

I use it to run my furnace I have a tank I can put in my truck and fill with 100 gallons at a time.



This x1000. May as well just quit selling it all together.
Posted By: Squash

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Law Dog
They dip test tanks at the cattle sales here on sale days.

I believe a search warrant would be needed. I have heard rumors to this affect but have never seen it, and I have been to the salesbarn alot.


No search warrant needed if you are pulled over for a DOT check in NY. If you have dyed heating oil/off road diesel, in your heavy truck tank, big time fine. Thatís why off road is dyed red and over the road is clear. Pretty easy for LE to check if you are cheating. Also, I think most manufacturers of diesel pickups and heavy trucks will void your warranty if they find dyed fuel in your over the road vehicle.
Posted By: SJA

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 03:14 PM

^^^ This, same here.
Posted By: T-Rex

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 04:38 PM

The difference in price is essentially the tax. In the Twin Cities area very few places sell it. For what I use in my subcompact tractor; I'm money ahead to jus buy the over the road stuff. Yeah, I'm paying a tax that I don't benefit from. But, If I drive 20 miles to save the tax, I am not only paying the tax on the gasoline in my truck, but, also wear and tear.

Not only that, the places that do sell it know how little competition they have, and mark it up, sometimes to within pennies of the revenued crap.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 05:08 PM

and then there are the guys who dump ATF in their tank " to lube the injectors"

what about the guys who dump waste oil in their tanks that has to throw the color off also

mostly our LEO have their hands full with fatal crashes around here 2 this week

you would probably have to be seen filling or get pulled over by state patrol

lots of tractors in town a few people drive them instead of cars used to be an old guy with a cub cadet lawn tractor , had a rack on the back for his oxygen tank he drove around town on that , used to be not to uncommon to see 2 lawn tractors parked in front of a bar I think they eventually got asked to park in the back the front was main street , there was a kid with a farmall H a couple years ago think her was 14-15 he had a trailer behind the tractor his sisters would ride in him and his sisters would run errands , just stay off main street and no one minds every other street in town is an atv trail any way.
besides it leaves less mess than the buggys who never pick up after the horse
Posted By: run

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 05:44 PM

Green County Pete, I think you are describing Shenandoah,VA when you are talking about lawnmowers being used for transportation.
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 07:26 PM


I believe a search warrant would be needed. I have heard rumors to this affect but have never seen it, and I have been to the salesbarn alot.[/quote]

No search warrant needed if you are pulled over for a DOT check in NY. If you have dyed heating oil/off road diesel, in your heavy truck tank, big time fine. Thatís why off road is dyed red and over the road is clear. Pretty easy for LE to check if you are cheating. Also, I think most manufacturers of diesel pickups and heavy trucks will void your warranty if they find dyed fuel in your over the road vehicle.[/quote]
Are you living in a different country? The bill of rights is nation wide, dontja know? I took ( a friends) new truck in for its first service with dyed fuel in it and not a word was said.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by run
Green County Pete, I think you are describing Shenandoah,VA when you are talking about lawnmowers being used for transportation.


with everything but the state road being ATV UTV trail now you see a lot more quads and SxS btu some lawn mowers and tractors

mostly old JD and Farmals , a few Oliver's and AC
Posted By: charles

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 08:37 PM

I don't think our DOT people need a search warrant to test fuel or weigh a vehicle in NC. They stop a lot of overloaded log trucks and dump trucks hauling rock and dirt.
Posted By: Squash

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/07/21 09:08 PM



No search warrant needed if you are pulled over for a DOT check in NY. If you have dyed heating oil/off road diesel, in your heavy truck tank, big time fine. Thatís why off road is dyed red and over the road is clear. Pretty easy for LE to check if you are cheating. Also, I think most manufacturers of diesel pickups and heavy trucks will void your warranty if they find dyed fuel in your over the road vehicle.[/quote]
Are you living in a different country? The bill of rights is nation wide, dontja know? I took ( a friends) new truck in for its first service with dyed fuel in it and not a word was said.[/quote]

Whatever, get pulled over with a big rig anywhere in NY and have dyed fuel in the tank, and you are in a world of crap.
Posted By: Bob_Iowa

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 12:01 AM

The DOT can do a spot check anytime they want right wrong or indifferent thatís the way it is, I believe here in Iowa the fine is however many miles are on the vehicle times the road tax, also I believe red fuel is about 3.12 a gallon here.
Posted By: Feedinggrounds

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
At my wife's store they have installed steel bollards and a short hose at the off road diesel pump. The pump is next to the Rec gas pump. the intention is for on road diesel pump to be used for vehicles, and off road to be pumped in fuel caddies or cans only. I don't think they were forced, it was a parking lot traffic jam with folks avoiding the road tax on the off road diesel for pickups v/s over the road diesel.



that is dumb you would loose a lot of business if you can't pull in and fill the tractor , hay bine , skid steer, the 100 gallon tank in the back of the truck you would loose your best customers.

guys who only need a few gallons for a truck would easily put it in cans and take it home and pour it in

I use it to run my furnace I have a tank I can put in my truck and fill with 100 gallons at a time.

Fuel is delivered to the farms, and saw mills, who runs a haybine or big tractor into a busy town to fill the tank? A commercial card only fuel stop is down the road. Wife's store is a very very busy stop. She does not need those machines clogging up the pumps. You have no idea, she only has off road diesel for the cans, and sells 1500+ gallons a week with good margin 300 gallons K1 kerosene too in winter. Along with 200 gallons of coffee daily, a cup at a time, beer cave is filled daily not to mention tobacco sales and food. I take it you never operated a high volume store / gas station...
Posted By: Feedinggrounds

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Law Dog
They dip test tanks at the cattle sales here on sale days.

I believe a search warrant would be needed. I have heard rumors to this affect but have never seen it, and I have been to the salesbarn alot.

No warrant needed in Michigan. I have log/farm plates on our mill trucks. But our bulk landscape mulch haulers when pulled over get the glass straw dipped in the fuel, it better be green fuel without log/farm plates.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 12:41 AM

POV is not the same rule as commercial vehicles. If you want to co operate, farmers here have two tanks. One in the back of the pickup for fueling farm equipment or dozers or whatever. they run a fuel line out of it to the engine. The stock pickup tank has a few gallons of taxed diesel.
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
The DOT can do a spot check anytime they want right wrong or indifferent thatís the way it is, I believe here in Iowa the fine is however many miles are on the vehicle times the road tax, also I believe red fuel is about 3.12 a gallon here.

Only write what you know to be true, Illegal search and seizure, is illegal search and seizure . no warrant, no lookie, UNLESS you give permission
Posted By: SJA

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
The DOT can do a spot check anytime they want right wrong or indifferent thatís the way it is, I believe here in Iowa the fine is however many miles are on the vehicle times the road tax, also I believe red fuel is about 3.12 a gallon here.

Only write what you know to be true, Illegal search and seizure, is illegal search and seizure . no warrant, no lookie, UNLESS you give permission


Sorry, Digger, Bob is correct. I know this to be fact. Oh, if you still doubt, YOU call YOUR DOT and ask them. grin
Posted By: Bob_Iowa

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 01:51 AM

Yes I do, and you can call the DOT and ask, I guess youíre just lucky enough to never have had it happen to you.
Posted By: beartooth trapr

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 01:59 AM

Seems crazy huh, think of all the gas that goes threw lawn mowers, 4-wheelers , gas tractor's.

And it's taxed to death.

Just saying
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
Yes I do, and you can call the DOT and ask, I guess youíre just lucky enough to never have had it happen to you.

So did they ASK to look in your tank, or did they open it themselves and look? Just trying to understand.
Posted By: DelawareRob

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
Yes I do, and you can call the DOT and ask, I guess youíre just lucky enough to never have had it happen to you.

So did they ASK to look in your tank, or did they open it themselves and look? Just trying to understand.



ďTheyĒ usually askÖ but they donít have too.

When the vehicle is registered as off road or on road you give permission for ďthemĒ to inspect the vechile.

They canít search the vehicle for other items, but ORD in and on-road vechile would be something they could find.

Your 5 kilos of meth no, that doesnít have anything to do with the inspection, now if they call a trooper and he or she finds it? But they, then had probable cause, because they were looking for other things. (INAL) so maybe they canít .



Usually they have a reason and arenít just trying to mess with people. But they will and can. When I was working for weights and measures, I could check your equipment without warrant. All I needed was to suspect you were using a potential commercial device or offering ir exposing for sale a commodity.

Posted By: Bob_Iowa

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 02:25 AM

They opened it and checked, it was explained to me that they have the authority to enforce the laws of the public right away and they have the right to check the fuel at their discretion, it falls in the same category of I want to scale you to make sure you are legal weight even with no signs of beginning overloaded.
Posted By: DelawareRob

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
They opened it and checked, it was explained to me that they have the authority to enforce the laws of the public right away and they have the right to check the fuel at their discretion, it falls in the same category of I want to scale you to make sure you are legal weight even with no signs of beginning overloaded.



Yup.
Posted By: SJA

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 02:33 AM

Rt.1 Weigh Stations ??? grin
Posted By: sweetwilliam

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 03:11 AM

We have a different price for color fuel no hiway tax and yes the dot will give you a fine that will bite your (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) if you are caught using it lol.
Posted By: DelawareRob

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by SJA
Rt.1 Weigh Stations ??? grin

Or 301!!

whistle
Posted By: Bigfoot

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 04:01 AM

Here they have a sensor they hold in the exhaust of an idling truck that can pick up somthing in die . If it goes off then you get your tank sampled
Posted By: Dirty D

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE


lots of tractors in town a few people drive them instead of cars used to be an old guy with a cub cadet lawn tractor , had a rack on the back for his oxygen tank he drove around town on that , used to be not to uncommon to see 2 lawn tractors parked in front of a bar I think they eventually got asked to park in the back the front was main street , there was a kid with a farmall H a couple years ago think her was 14-15 he had a trailer behind the tractor his sisters would ride in him and his sisters would run errands , just stay off main street and no one minds every other street in town is an atv trail any way.
besides it leaves less mess than the buggys who never pick up after the horse


I knew a guy who was over 18 and no drivers license. He drove a riding mower all over town. Even took his girl friend out to the bars. He'd have her in a chair in a trailer behind the mower. You'd see the mower parked right out front of the bar which was a state hwy.

Only 2 places in my area that sell off road. On is a big truck stop about 10 miles away and the other is the small convenience store in the small town I live just outside of.
I buy it at the local place. Never seen another person buying the stuff other than me.
I just buy 1-2 5 gallon jugs at a time for a small tractor.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 10:18 AM

Farmers here have bulk tanks. Get contracts to have it delivered. KS is not using exhaust sniffers. At least not yet. Have not seen anybody under a pickup looking for an extra fuel line/ pump either. I have been pulled around behind the Olathe scale and had them put a test strip in my semi tanks. Never had them inspect my truck. They usually reserve that for out of state OTR trucks. I only cross it if I am empty. Have been stopped inspected and weighed on the side of the road many times. About 4-6 times a year.
Posted By: run

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by beartooth trapr
Seems crazy huh, think of all the gas that goes threw lawn mowers, 4-wheelers , gas tractor's.

And it's taxed to death.

Just saying

This is why you run a diesel lawnmower.
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bob_Iowa
They opened it and checked, it was explained to me that they have the authority to enforce the laws of the public right away and they have the right to check the fuel at their discretion, it falls in the same category of I want to scale you to make sure you are legal weight even with no signs of beginning overloaded.

scaling is a little bit different dont you think. Next time ask them what law gives them the authority to search your vehicle without a warrant? I have read everything on the Wi. DOT website about colored fuel that I could find, It mentions when not to use it and in what not to put it in and the whole array of fines and such, but no where did it void the 4th ammendment. I am not trying to be thickheaded, just would like to see an ordinance, law or anything official that says its OK. I understand it is being done or has been done, If I am asked, the answer will be, Not.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Off road Diesel. - 10/08/21 03:11 PM

I would say no too if I drove a diesel pickup.

When I am in my semi I am not sure if its legal to check without my permission or not. I know I wont object. This is is not a joke. I guarantee you a brand new truck and a brand new trailer will have something a D.O.T. officer can write a ticket for. I don't need the problems. It's like refusing to help them inspect. You do not have to push brakes or operate lights and signals for them. If you want put out of service just go ahead and refuse. If put out of service, and your truck is towed to a repair shop, and if they are honest and say the out of service was a mistake, D.O.T. does NOT pay for towing. It is just a mistake. After all the inspecting officer is not a technician.
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