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old pistol training video - 10/12/21 11:47 PM

interesting to see what has and hasn't changed

they flag each other with the muzzle needlessly and do a lot of one handed standing shooting tea cup and saucer grip when kneeling or prone

the opening close up of the trigger being pulled the guy is bouncing/slapping the trigger , we now teach hold it back till the slide is forward then shoot off the reset

Posted By: BigBob

Re: old pistol training video - 10/12/21 11:55 PM

Man, I wish I could get my hands on a couple of cases of tracer rounds!

Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 01:01 AM

the difference in how we handle the index finger not being placed on the trigger as part of the grip now vs then years of Negligent Discharge changed that I am sure

as well as the closing of the non shooting eye today we teach both eyes open

Posted By: upstateNY

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 11:50 AM

That first guy they showed close up looks like a young Clint Eastwood.Wonder if they hired him for the video?

Posted By: jbyrd63

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 12:04 PM

Cup and saucer worked then works now

Posted By: nightlife

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE

the difference in how we handle the index finger not being placed on the trigger as part of the grip now vs then years of Negligent Discharge changed that I am sure

as well as the closing of the non shooting eye today we teach both eyes open

Seen that video some time ago, pretty much how my dad taught me to shoot though my style has changed over the years, but I still close one eye otherwise I just can’t see he sights due to eye problems

Dad for years shoot bullseye with his old service 1911 and walked away a winner every time he competed, got to the point the other competitors were grumbling as soon as he entered the area about him always winning and he still shot just that way

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Of course he did upgrade it over the years, collectors have turned pale when they get a look at it because it was made in 1918 with US property marks and all matching except for grips, barrel, sights, bushing

But heck back then you could go into many gun stores and pick one out of one of those fiber barrels for 25 dollars or so, wish I knew the. What I do now I would have invested in the entire barrel or 2

Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrd63

Cup and saucer worked then works now

if you change the grip you can significantly cut that split time down. you want 2 rounds in a target ,how about putting 2 much closer together in less time and already be on the 3rd target before the other guy is finishing the second.

if your ability to shoot fast and accurate is what is keeping you alive you want to be the fastest most accurate shooter you can be , don't handicap yourself with a grip that doesn't manage recoil at all.

Col. Jeff Cooper re-wrote the manual on handgun shooting after WWII it wasn't because cup and saucer was the best that he quit training it.

Posted By: upstateNY

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by nightlife

Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE

the difference in how we handle the index finger not being placed on the trigger as part of the grip now vs then years of Negligent Discharge changed that I am sure

as well as the closing of the non shooting eye today we teach both eyes open

Seen that video some time ago, pretty much how my dad taught me to shoot though my style has changed over the years, but I still close one eye otherwise I just cant see he sights due to eye problems

Dad for years shoot bullseye with his old service 1911 and walked away a winner every time he competed, got to the point the other competitors were grumbling as soon as he entered the area about him always winning and he still shot just that way

[Linked Image]

Of course he did upgrade it over the years, collectors have turned pale when they get a look at it because it was made in 1918 with US property marks and all matching except for grips, barrel, sights, bushing

But heck back then you could go into many gun stores and pick one out of one of those fiber barrels for 25 dollars or so, wish I knew the. What I do now I would have invested in the entire barrel or 2

That trigger isn't original either.I too have my Dads WWII .45.All original.

Posted By: nightlife

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE

Originally Posted by jbyrd63

Cup and saucer worked then works now

if you change the grip you can significantly cut that split time down. you want 2 rounds in a target ,how about putting 2 much closer together in less time and already be on the 3rd target before the other guy is finishing the second.

if your ability to shoot fast and accurate is what is keeping you alive you want to be the fastest most accurate shooter you can be , don't handicap yourself with a grip that doesn't manage recoil at all.

Col. Jeff Cooper re-wrote the manual on handgun shooting after WWII it wasn't because cup and saucer was the best that he quit training it.

I agree but also I never discount an old guy shooting old school, some like my dad could be downright scary in just how fast they can get into action not to mention how fast and accurate they can lay them in there, when I have the time I’ll tell you of the game warden friend of my dads who got into a shootout with a carload of 5 criminals and came out ahead even though they were heavily armed and all he had was a 22 S&W model 17

Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 04:15 PM

that would be a good story

If your old and old school shooting is muscle memory for you , keep on

but if you have room to improve and want to , just because it worked 70 years ago doesn't mean it is the best

you would have to be really old for teacup and saucer to have been the best thing around when you were taught

Cooper started teaching the two handed grip in the 1950s

Posted By: Leftlane

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 04:45 PM

I would be curious to know when terms like ergonomics or ergonomically correct and I bet it wasn't in 1911!

I am probably more of a revolver guy but I can pick up a 1911 and keep pace with some pretty good shooters. It fits my square palm and relatively short fingers.

Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Leftlane

I would be curious to know when terms like ergonomics or ergonomically correct and I bet it wasn't in 1911!

I am probably more of a revolver guy but I can pick up a 1911 and keep pace with some pretty good shooters. It fits my square palm and relatively short fingers.

my hand is big enough that the square butt of the 1911 digs into my palm I can shoot them but it isn't my goto gun

Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: old pistol training video - 10/13/21 05:19 PM

the two major things are they trust gun to be unloaded and they put their finger on the trigger right away

Funny those be the first 3 of Jeff coopers rules when he re-wrote the manual on handgun shooting for the Marine corps

1. All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. (For those who insist that this particular gun is unloaded, see Rule 1.)
3. Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target. This is the Golden Rule. Its violation is directly responsible for about 60 percent of inadvertent discharges.
4. Identify your target, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything that you have not positively identified.

I am going to bet he had to write a few reports or read them on ND