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Posted By: Bison88

Fur sale report - 11/29/21 02:00 AM

Brought 20 carcass coyotes to Petska today. 1 @$20 6@ $10 3@ $5 and 10 no sale due to weak necks or wrong color. Definitely a very weak market, but grateful Greg is still making the route and buying some fur.
Posted By: claycreech

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 02:23 AM

Less than a $5 average on SD coyotes.
WOW!!!!!!
Posted By: NonPCfed

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 05:29 AM

Teach, I hope you saved the skulls to clean up and the baculum of the dogs. Even a cleaned busted up yote skull has more value than 10 of your critters. Very sad...
Posted By: wissmiss

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 06:28 AM

You did sell on the carcass but that still seems very low. And only half sold - the BETTER half.

I’m not sure the coyote market is that bad……..
Posted By: sneaky

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 09:01 AM

I'm waiting to see some put up fur prices for an indicator of the market. I don't sell anything on the carcass
Posted By: Turtledale

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 09:26 AM

In today's market , fur must be put up. Surprised to see anyone buying carcass goods
Posted By: Joe1

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 03:56 PM

yea putting up no value coyote for maybe a dollar or 2 makes a lot of sense i think selling the way you did was good time spent putting them up wouldnt have gained you that much some just hope for better things than they are maybe not putting them on the market right now would be a better option
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 04:01 PM

A couple of my friends run coyotes with Walkers. They were told from the guy who has been pretty reliable for buying their furs that he wasn't buying any that were shot.
Posted By: sneaky

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 06:00 PM

Depends a lot on where you are. Why would anyone sell western heavies on carcass? I can see it more for eastern or midwest dogs, but heavies from out west you're leaving a lot on the table by not putting them up.
Posted By: cfowler

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by sneaky
Depends a lot on where you are. Why would anyone sell western heavies on carcass? I can see it more for eastern or midwest dogs, but heavies from out west you're leaving a lot on the table by not putting them up.

The buyer left half the lot on the table. How much was really there?
Posted By: lee steinmeyer

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by sneaky
Depends a lot on where you are. Why would anyone sell western heavies on carcass? I can see it more for eastern or midwest dogs, but heavies from out west you're leaving a lot on the table by not putting them up.

Exactly, but.....you better learn to not wast your time on ones with lice, mange or serious defects in the fur. Ya gotta learn to tell the difference!
Posted By: wissmiss

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 06:16 PM

Bison88 - what did you do with the 10 that were “no sale”? Take them with you or leave them at Petska? Just curious. Thanks
Posted By: Joe1

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 06:47 PM

i dout they were heavies if they were no value most buyers could care less if they buy or not but you guys want to keep trapping so they will try and make a dollar on them and maybe more if it turns around it isnt like they have a million invested just like going to the casino a lot of buyers have already folded
Posted By: conibearguy

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by wissmiss
Bison88 - what did you do with the 10 that were “no sale”? Take them with you or leave them at Petska? Just curious. Thanks
Very curious as well.
Posted By: NonPCfed

Re: Fur sale report - 11/29/21 11:42 PM

Most southeast SD coyotes typically go semi-heavies in normal years.

A number of years back, a friend of mine found 6 shot yotes in a pretty sparse ditch a couple hundred meters off of a county highway. He picked them up because he thought it looked bad and called me because he's never done anything with fur. At the time, bedroom town was one of the few spots in se SD that a certain multi-state country buyer stopped. I suspected these yotes were taken to that stop and the "boys" were told the carcasses had "no value" but they got po'd to leave them with the buyer for free, so drove out in the country a ways and dumped them.

I hadn't really played around with putting up yotes so I thought this might be some learning in how to do it. I had some coon to send to NAFA so decided to sent these mutts as well, even though it violated Boco's and others dictum "don't send junk". One yote was blown up so bad that I didn't even try and another one went bad on me between washing/drying it and boarding it (all of these suckers had to be thawed out) but I ended up finishing the other 4, including stitching up some pretty big holes.

All were graded damaged, no surprise (one was missing most of a back leg) but 2 got graded "heavy', so maybe the original shooters had got them further west or northwest of here. I got (before commission) $26, 10, 4, & 4 for them. Was it worth my time money wise, probably not, but I learned some fur handling. A few more years went by and during the 2018-19 season, my hs senior snared a couple yotes near by in January. The male was rubbed pretty bad so he ended up on "home tan" pile but the female looked pretty decent so I put her up. She graded semi-heavy at the 2019 NAFA spring sale with a valuation of $65. It ended up going for $80. I was pretty happy...
Posted By: red mt

Re: Fur sale report - 11/30/21 12:19 AM

His post was 35$ TOPS FOR HEAVY pales.
Semi's are not critters to pick on. Imo
Posted By: MJM

Re: Fur sale report - 11/30/21 03:37 AM

I would bet there wasn't a heavy in the bunch, much less a heavy pale. We get a few SD coyotes at the NDFTA fur sale and every one has been a semi at best. We have sections of ND that does not produce many heavy coyotes. Some people can not see or feel the difference, but there is a difference. What have the temperatures been in SD the last week? It has been in the 40's here. Did the coyotes come out of a freezer? You can't blame the market for all of it. You haul in 50% junk coyotes to sell in a dropping market on the round and wonder why the price was low. The gravy train is gone.
Posted By: Joe1

Re: Fur sale report - 11/30/21 03:21 PM

you can make excuses all day long why they brought what they did the truth is if there was a demand for them they would all sell and for a lot more we have all seen it
Posted By: Bison88

Re: Fur sale report - 12/01/21 03:08 AM

I have a person that will take them for the skulls and good tails. Good year to learn to put them up, but I barely have enough time to trap. In this part of SD we have a very poor coyote to start with. Coarse hair and not the best color. 100 miles to the west starts to make a big difference in quality. Its going to be a tough year for this section of coyotes. We were just talking about 10 years ago we were selling coon for $20 and coyotes weren't worth much. Then coyotes went up, coons down. Now everything is down! Going to be an expensive hobby this year. However, as long as momma gets new shoes, she let's me keep trapping!
Posted By: NonPCfed

Re: Fur sale report - 12/01/21 04:16 AM

Bison, your sloughs all dried up down there...? A place that I trapped in 2019 that 35-50 huts in about 5-6 acres still has water in it but had only 1 new hut this year last week. Some other ones around the same area have a couple there, 3 here. Hate bugging people asking them to trap a place with 3 active huts on it.
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Fur sale report - 12/01/21 07:12 PM

Anybody sold RECENTLY taken northern coyotes? Put up or in the round.
Posted By: M.S. Pickins

Re: Fur sale report - 12/01/21 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by MJM
I would bet there wasn't a heavy in the bunch, much less a heavy pale. We get a few SD coyotes at the NDFTA fur sale and every one has been a semi at best. We have sections of ND that does not produce many heavy coyotes. Some people can not see or feel the difference, but there is a difference. What have the temperatures been in SD the last week? It has been in the 40's here. Did the coyotes come out of a freezer? You can't blame the market for all of it. You haul in 50% junk coyotes to sell in a dropping market on the round and wonder why the price was low. The gravy train is gone.

Must be getting east river trash. Eastern South Dakota should just be given to Minnesota. Same people, same fur. Anything taken west river and north of rapid city should be getting more heavy grades than semi if they were taken at the correct time.
Posted By: walleye101

Re: Fur sale report - 12/01/21 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by M.S. Pickins

Must be getting east river trash. Eastern South Dakota should just be given to Minnesota. Same people, same fur. Anything taken west river and north of rapid city should be getting more heavy grades than semi if they were taken at the correct time.


Well, if your Governor is East of the river we'll take that deal, no questions asked.
Posted By: Bison88

Re: Fur sale report - 12/03/21 05:04 AM

It's pretty dry, all the easy rat places are dried up. Have a few places for this spring, but its going to require a lot more walking. Another summer like last and they will be gone too.
Posted By: VaBeagler

Re: Fur sale report - 12/03/21 05:10 AM

Fur trapping for profit is over. Hopefully I'm wrong but I don't think so. Fur market will never come back.
Posted By: trapbub

Re: Fur sale report - 12/04/21 09:52 PM

sold 87 Rats to GFW this morning in Potter Wisconsin
22@5
34@3.50
20 @2
11@1
most early rats a few underice all put up on wire, only 3 trucks in line, truck in front of me had about 100 skin coon not put up at least 3/4 turn back the ones that sold 3,2,1 he made $55.00
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Fur sale report - 12/04/21 10:03 PM

$55 for roughly 100 coon in the grease is about 55 cents apiece. That is low enough to keep most off the coon line! $2.88 average on 97 rats, a lot like last fall, was hearing and hoping a tad bit of advancement in the rat market.
30-35% reduction in size breaks from say 2xl to xl to large is a lot in my opinion but then the market is what it is. At least the price break from good to average coon is not too big! (he states with much sarcasm).
Bryce
Posted By: Swamp Wolf

Re: Fur sale report - 12/04/21 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by VaBeagler
Fur trapping for profit is over. Hopefully I'm wrong but I don't think so. Fur market will never come back.

If you are over 50 years old.....you're probably correct.....we won't see another season with good prices.....but one day it will cycle up again.
Posted By: crosspatch

Re: Fur sale report - 12/04/21 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by trapbub
sold 87 Rats to GFW this morning in Potter Wisconsin
22@5
34@3.50
20 @2
11@1
most early rats a few underice all put up on wire, only 3 trucks in line, truck in front of me had about 100 skin coon not put up at least 3/4 turn back the ones that sold 3,2,1 he made $55.00


What counts on the 'rats is the average. 87 at $280 = $3.22.

Average pay out per species is what GFW or any successful buyer works on.

Nice to see some real figures - tks.
Posted By: backroadsarcher

Re: Fur sale report - 12/05/21 01:19 AM

I am going to start chasing in a week I think. Ben looking at sign now. Fur should start looking better soon.
Posted By: Bison88

Re: Fur sale report - 12/05/21 04:29 AM

Thanks for the updated prices. I guess there is some hope for spring rats!
Posted By: Joe1

Re: Fur sale report - 12/05/21 03:01 PM

wonder how many rats and coon the guys threw away that they didnt take to the truck every one ive talked to are just tossing them not messing with them wonder when groony is going to start driving a mini van lol
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Fur sale report - 12/05/21 03:51 PM

I boo-booed on the math and counted 10 too many rats, so yes $3.22 is the correct average which is about 40-50 cents higher than early goods a year ago. Rats have gone up about as much as an average in the green coon is worth. I had plans to run a longer coon line with my canine line this year and opted out and boy am I glad I did. Even our yotes are not worth the cost of put up let alone the coons.

Bryce
Posted By: coonman220

Re: Fur sale report - 12/05/21 07:01 PM

Maybe early oct coon, wisc coon season is open when? Mid Oct , pretty early , coon didn't look best on opener here either
Posted By: Giant Sage

Re: Fur sale report - 12/05/21 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by VaBeagler
Fur trapping for profit is over. Hopefully I'm wrong but I don't think so. Fur market will never come back.

If you are over 50 years old.....you're probably correct.....we won't see another season with good prices.....but one day it will cycle up again.

Ya! 50 is pretty old. I've been in this game almost fifty years. When people think its over the pipeline can clear out pretty quick. Like farming if the crop isn't in storage you'll miss that sleeper market. Don't put all you're eggs in one basket. Tunnen vision is your worst enemy, besides maybe a glass half full.
Rich
Posted By: walleye101

Re: Fur sale report - 12/05/21 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by VaBeagler
Fur trapping for profit is over. Hopefully I'm wrong but I don't think so. Fur market will never come back.


As Mark Twain said, "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated".
Posted By: coonman220

Re: Fur sale report - 12/05/21 10:18 PM

Maybe things shut down in china are tempory , how can they stay shut down for months, those probly all unprime coon
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Fur sale report - 12/05/21 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by trapbub
sold 87 Rats to GFW this morning in Potter Wisconsin
22@5
34@3.50
20 @2
11@1
most early rats a few underice all put up on wire, only 3 trucks in line, truck in front of me had about 100 skin coon not put up at least 3/4 turn back the ones that sold 3,2,1 he made $55.00

I would have thought by now, everyone kinda knew early coon had no value. That fellow needs to step up his learning curve. Early coyotes will be the same this year. We're getting back to a time when people trapped in the winter, not spring and fall.
Posted By: Joe1

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 12:21 AM

those early coon worked several years with 15 to 20 dollar averages and a 100 percent clearance in iowa and wisconsin could add 5 to 10 dollars on that but maybe thats why a lot arent trapping for the fun of it because it isnt fun like it used to be for most trappers
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Joe1
those early coon worked several years with 15 to 20 dollar averages and a 100 percent clearance in iowa and wisconsin could add 5 to 10 dollars on that but maybe thats why a lot arent trapping for the fun of it because it isnt fun like it used to be for most trappers

Yep, and Fisher used to bring $400 and Otter averaged well over $100....................Have at selling early, less than fully prime fur of any species this year! Fall rats will still sell, just for less.
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 08:06 PM

The real issue long term is with that limited of a market and limited to only a few species the industry will shrink significantly and it will be like a cottage industry only the cottages are not in North America except for the very, very limited market for selling at small events etc. When the investors and the money seeks better looking opportunities that really limits the industry.
If the USA would sell even 1 million rats this season for say $4.50 each that is the equivalent of one 800 cow dairy farm in the USA in gross. That is not a lot of economic impact when we think about it. That is about 2,200 $2,000 stimulus checks. It can be amazing how small our wild fur industry can be or has become.
Bryce
Posted By: hippie

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 08:06 PM

The prices the last 4-5 years is insulting to the trapper, imo. If the manufactures think that's all they're worth, they can come catch them themselves.
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by hippie
The prices the last 4-5 years is insulting to the trapper, imo. If the manufactures think that's all they're worth, they can come catch them themselves.

You've missed the point completely. The manufacturers will use and pay for what is wanted by consumers and can be readily sold, not something that the wearer will be ostracized for having on their body. Women dress for approval, and whatever they think will make them look good. They aren't looking to be spray painted by (even though that never really happens) some idiot trying to display their moral superiority.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Originally Posted by hippie
The prices the last 4-5 years is insulting to the trapper, imo. If the manufactures think that's all they're worth, they can come catch them themselves.

You've missed the point completely. The manufacturers will use and pay for what is wanted by consumers and can be readily sold, not something that the wearer will be ostracized for having on their body. Women dress for approval, and whatever they think will make them look good. They aren't looking to be spray painted by (even though that never really happens) some idiot trying to display their moral superiority.


No, I missed nothing.

As you said, manufacturers use and pay for ...... Obviously as I said, they think this is all they're worth, so they can come catch them themselves if up to me.
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 08:39 PM

Hippie, the problem is NOBODY wants the stuff. at least not for now. Why would they catch it for that reason?? Fur coats are now as popular as Beanie Babies at this time.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 08:43 PM

Why does anyone catch it for that?
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by hippie
Why does anyone catch it for that?

That's my question as well. But obviously for the outdoor experience and love of the lifestyle. Not all trappers do it just for the money.
Posted By: hippie

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 08:52 PM

The fur buyers dream.
Posted By: WBG

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 09:18 PM

No successful fur trapper does it JUST for the money. Even in a good market anyone that has the work ethic and savvy to make it trapping could make more money elsewhere. No accident that most successful trappers are also successfully self employed in other venues. Love of trapping is the common denominator.
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 09:29 PM

ttt let's get back to........ What prices are being offered and paid today?? Montana trappers had several road buyers come through recently, any input available?
Posted By: wallfur

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by hippie
The fur buyers dream.
...not even close fur buyer have nowhere to go with it either....it easier to make money on an up year both buyer and seller
Posted By: wallfur

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
ttt let's get back to........ What prices are being offered and paid today?? Montana trappers had several road buyers come through recently, any input available?

....35 tops on coyote and rats are selling 5 and down
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 10:39 PM

$35 tops on a Montana pale coyote? Highline coyotes are top of the line in Montana, right? Or is this for Idaho coyotes?
Posted By: Monster Toms

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by hippie
The fur buyers dream.


Heres you chance to live the dream! Gas up your rig and get to buying.
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Fur sale report - 12/06/21 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Monster Toms
Originally Posted by hippie
The fur buyers dream.


Heres you chance to live the dream! Gas up your rig and get to buying.
Yep, Like Marty's obscene profits?
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Fur sale report - 12/07/21 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by wallfur
Originally Posted by hippie
The fur buyers dream.
...not even close fur buyer have nowhere to go with it either....it easier to make money on an up year both buyer and seller

Absolutely. Fur buyers need volume margins to do well. Not happening this year....and then likely to catch grief from wild fur producers to boot.
Posted By: MJM

Re: Fur sale report - 12/07/21 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
$35 tops on a Montana pale coyote? Highline coyotes are top of the line in Montana, right? Or is this for Idaho coyotes?

He is from ID, good Highline coyotes don't run to the boarder, much less into Idaho. Idaho coyotes don't compare to high line coyotes. Here is a pile of highline coyotes and fox bought in Malta MT at a sale by Pacific Hide and fur, when I worked there.
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Posted By: wallfur

Re: Fur sale report - 12/07/21 12:40 AM

thats for heavy pale coyotes......those highline coyotes will be alittle better but not much. they are a nice coyote!
Posted By: wallfur

Re: Fur sale report - 12/07/21 12:43 AM

that photo looks like the 80s mjm.....used to deal with pacific out of pocatello back then...great guys!!!
Posted By: MJM

Re: Fur sale report - 12/07/21 12:55 AM

I worked in Gt Falls and Spokane for Pacific and Idaho coyote are second place all the way. I have looked at 1000's of them from both places. The picture was in the early 80's Judkins and I went to that Malta sale and I stuffed all those coyotes and fox into Bob Youngs PU with a topper on it. It was close to full. But it had a eight foot box. Ask Don if you see him. He will remember it.
Posted By: wallfur

Re: Fur sale report - 12/07/21 01:08 AM

yes i know who thats is and i ask him lol.. and i agree on the differance in coyotes but just no market now.
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