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Posted By: bowhunter27295

Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 12:43 PM

So let me get this straight.

Ice cream joey wants to take the money he takes from me and give it to meat farmers to lower the price I pay for meat at the store.

$1 billion to be exact. That is 1,000 million dollar bills.

Yes, folks. This is how farm subsidies work. The gubmint acts as a go between to give the farmers your money to keep your prices low.

Kind of hard to wrap your head around that one and splain it to where it makes any sense.

I understand farmers lose crops to various things and need help from time to time. However, taking my money to give to farmers to keep my perceived prices lower at the grocery store only gives the politician power to look like the savior of farmers and consumers. It is such a sham.

I hear circus music.
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 12:59 PM

Been happening in farming my whole life and unfortunately has been ever growing in the cattle industry for probably the last 10 years. A lot of people who say they are against socialism find an excuse to justify when it means $ going in their pocket.
Posted By: Pawnee

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:01 PM

I havenít heard that but I hope they donít do it. They have tried this over and over and it never works. One of the greatest Presidents ever Ronolds Maximas found that out with the CRP program. If I remember right from my Ag Econ class in college. A farmer that had 100 acres of land and put 50 into CRP raised more on the 50 then he used to on the 100!! There isnít much of a free market left but it needs left alone. Is he to stupid to understand that throwing money at people is why inflation is through the roof or he is trying to make it worse?
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Pawnee
I havenít heard that but I hope they donít do it. They have tried this over and over and it never works. One of the greatest Presidents ever Ronolds Maximas found that out with the CRP program. If I remember right from my Ag Econ class in college. A farmer that had 100 acres of land and put 50 into CRP raised more on the 50 then he used to on the 100!! There isnít much of a free market left but it needs left alone. Is he to stupid to understand that throwing money at people is why inflation is through the roof or he is trying to make it worse?

It's about buying control which equals power later on Brad.
Posted By: G Hose

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:06 PM

The four largest meat packers are in control of roughly 85% of the market. Their dominance has allowed them to extinguish competition. The cattleman isnít the one making the money, itís the packers. Look up an see how many ranches China owns. Could be the reason to send money to the ďmeat farmersĒ
Posted By: Posco

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:09 PM

Biden wants to subsidize an industry a good deal of his base wants to kill? Who is he trying to buy off?
Posted By: rvsask

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:15 PM

Great topic. I find that often those that cry about socialism are quite quick to benefit from it when it feeds their pocket. I also do not think it is wrong to subsidize cattle ranchers or grain farmers, itís just wrong for them to not recognize it. Disclaimer: I come from agricultural family. smile
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by rvsask
Great topic. I find that often those that cry about socialism are quite quick to benefit from it when it feeds their pocket. I also do not think it is wrong to subsidize cattle ranchers or grain farmers, itís just wrong for them to not recognize it. Disclaimer: I come from agricultural family. smile

I've spend my whole life in agriculture and hate the government involvement and most of the problems the industry doesn't like is tied to government involvement. Less chance of risk has made for less chance of profits and plays into the hands of corporate farming
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:24 PM

This subject gets me to upset so I'll say one more thing and then shut up.

Sustainability is the biggest buzz word in agriculture. How Sustainable are we really when we are always "needing" government $. Ag groups don't want less help they are constantly lobbying for more aid.
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:26 PM

If the Gubment will pay farmers NOT to grow crops,,I wonder if they will pay me NOT to trap?? grin
Posted By: corky

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:28 PM

Well gee. This process worked great when Biden interfered with the free market and released the strategic petroleum reserves to lower gas prices. Insert sarcasm font.
Posted By: BernieB.

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:33 PM

Just another way of buying votes.
Posted By: Boone Liane

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by G Hose
The four largest meat packers are in control of roughly 85% of the market. Their dominance has allowed them to extinguish competition. The cattleman isnít the one making the money, itís the packers. Look up an see how many ranches China owns. Could be the reason to send money to the ďmeat farmersĒ


And once again, government goes to a solution that doesnt address the problem.

Whole thing reminds me of the ďfree collegeĒ bologna. We all know college costs a ridiculous amount of money for what you get. But giving it away ďfreeĒ doesnít address the problem.

We know what the ďproblemĒ is in the beef industry.
Posted By: Redknot

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by upstateNY
If the Gubment will pay farmers NOT to grow crops,,I wonder if they will pay me NOT to trap?? grin


Careful Upstate, they might go for that idea and take more of your's and my money to pay you not to trap, but then pay others to trap...
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Redknot
Originally Posted by upstateNY
If the Gubment will pay farmers NOT to grow crops,,I wonder if they will pay me NOT to trap?? grin


Careful Upstate, they might go for that idea and take more of your's and my money to pay you not to trap, but then pay others to trap...

Just got to figure out how we can get in on both ends of the deal. smile
Posted By: Pawnee

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Yes sir
This subject gets me to upset so I'll say one more thing and then shut up.

Sustainability is the biggest buzz word in agriculture. How Sustainable are we really when we are always "needing" government $. Ag groups don't want less help they are constantly lobbying for more aid.


Exactly and now every farm magazine I get in the mail has a couple articles on carbon credits or environmental crap. National Corn Growers and groups like them spend most of their time with their hands out hoping big brother fills them up.
Posted By: Bigfoot

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:47 PM

This is just the government trying to fix a problem they created . The USDA has had its foot on the neck of small meat processing facilities for decades . Their regulation and unfair inspection rules that cater to the megaplants have created a monopoly where the packers set the price they are going to pay for livestock and they set the price the grocers pay for the meat . They have been gouging the consumer and gouging the farmers pretty bad .

This money is earmarked for small meat processors to create some competition and a more resilient food chain .
Posted By: corky

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:48 PM

The Chinese are having a huge effect on meat prices. Think Biden brought this up to the Chinese in his conference call? They must have talked about something besides Hunter's art.:


Smithfield Foods was founded in Virginia in 1936, and its pork products are ubiquitous in U.S. supermarkets, but the company was actually bought by WH Group, formerly known as Shuanghui International, for $4.7 billion in 2013.

Smithfield became a subsidiary of the publicly traded Chinese corporation after the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) said the acquisition would not endanger national security.
Posted By: rvsask

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by G Hose
The four largest meat packers are in control of roughly 85% of the market. Their dominance has allowed them to extinguish competition. The cattleman isnít the one making the money, itís the packers. Look up an see how many ranches China owns. Could be the reason to send money to the ďmeat farmersĒ

Youíre right about the packers making the money, thatís for sure. The same problem exists here. Chinaís percentage of US land ownership is almost immeasurable in terms of %, itís less than what European nations and even us pesky Canadians own there. However, it shouldnít be allowed to happen, there, or anywhere.
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 02:00 PM

Then the time comes for the skinny cows to eat the fat cows. Its been going on since Joseph and Pharaoh.

The eating population loves free markets when prices are cheap, not so much when they are high !
Posted By: Macthediver

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 02:02 PM

Seems to me there has been all kinds subsidized business in my lifetime. Airline bailout, railroad, milk pricing. Corn and beans. Land use deals for tax breaks or paid not to use, granted grazing rights, mineral rights timber rights.. All are our tax money or public lands supporting business in some way. For the better good of all working people
Right??
Maybe them meat farmers will be required to remove their "Let Go Brandon" or FJB signs and flags to qualify??

Maybe people just need eat more pork and chicken. What true American don't eat bacon?? Lot quicker to restore that supply than beef. Let them big Packers have their illegals process it for lazy welfare folks don't want work that hard and just eat government cheese..
It's a wonderful life.

My dog breath still smells like Dog Chow!

Mac
Posted By: Rat_Pack

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 02:04 PM

Listen to Biden's speech about the lack of competition in the meat industry...now replace "meat industry" with federal government and their big biz affiliates
Posted By: white dog

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by rvsask
Originally Posted by G Hose
The four largest meat packers are in control of roughly 85% of the market. Their dominance has allowed them to extinguish competition. The cattleman isnít the one making the money, itís the packers. Look up an see how many ranches China owns. Could be the reason to send money to the ďmeat farmersĒ

Youíre right about the packers making the money, thatís for sure. The same problem exists here. Chinaís percentage of US land ownership is almost immeasurable in terms of %, itís less than what European nations and even us pesky Canadians own there. However, it shouldnít be allowed to happen, there, or anywhere.


Agree 100%.
Posted By: danvee

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 02:31 PM

Its not just Biden its been going on for years with both parties, it gets votes and both sides wants that and it slowly becomes socialism. All politicians are crooked and self serving. Look who owns the meat packing plants the farms and farm land. Its all going to overseas owners, save Bill Gates who is the biggest land owner in the US. Its going back to the futile system a few ultra rich owning all and the workers getting just enough to get by on. When they own enough they will force the government into paying what they want to grow food or let us starve no different then OPEC does with oil. Wyoming is a republican state and with very few land owners the ranches and farms keep getting bigger, all our politicians are large land owners. You should hear the howl when the farm bill comes up to be reduced. When sugar beet fields freeze in like several years ago here and in Montana we become disaster states and get the hand out. We have big buyers coming in now here and in Montana that buy up key pieces of ground to lock you out of public lands no access allowed. They continue to get the public lands to become state so they can be sold to the highest bidder which is not the common man. In Montana they are trying to have big game permits go to the ranchers so they can be sold to the high bidder. Don't put the blame on anyone of them they are all playing the same game.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 02:35 PM

My favorite program is ethanol subsidies and mandates. Take tax dollars to drive the price of corn up, hence the cost of any food produced or made with corn, for the taxpayer. Then put ethanol in gas so it goes bad and damages the taxpayers' equipment. All to benefit corn farmers. less than 1% of the U.S. population. Winners less than 1%, losers greater than 99%. This is not even good socialism.
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 02:53 PM

I raise beef, I own my land, I own my machines, I own my cattle. We, my wife and I paid for it all. The only crops I raise are to feed the animals, I and others like me do it without a dime from Uncle Sam. We and others like me learned from our fathers when they lost everything in the 70's, many like my wife the land had been in the same family for 3 generations. So all you that think all ranchers and or row crop farmers are on the govt. tit can go TWNAOTM.
A rich farmer isn't the guy driving a brand new truck with new equipment every other year, that stuff belongs to the bank. As does his land, He will be lucky to make 70 to 80 k a year take home.
A rich farmer is the guy with a couple hundred acers and 10 year old equipment he owns and keeps up. And doesn't have to take out a loan to put a crop out. My newest truck of 4 is a 2011, it's been paid off for years. They all are, and still run and see use.
If Biden sends me a check I'll kiss TWNAOTM, I know you all sent your stimulus checks back. That's where my tax dollars went. I won't hold my breath waiting to get it back.
Case.
Posted By: Okie Farmer

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 02:56 PM

Subsidies to lower prices? Sounds more like government price control to me.

We need less government not more.
Posted By: danvee

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:14 PM

The corn ethanol was the biggest BS farm project ever takes more energy to grow the corn that what it gives back in energy but got Hillary a bunch of farm votes. Just saying it not about the people its about getting the votes to help the ultra rich in the end. Red fuel, my kid figured it out all his vehicles now are registered to the farm and diesel even though he works at the college. Well drives around the ranch to see where the good hunting is, lots of sweet tax breaks.
Posted By: lumberjack391

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:23 PM

A 3 pack of steaks cost about 60 dollars now at my store. Who is buying this stuff with any regularity? Maybe the people with EBT cards that I as a taxpayer subsidize? How is the price going to go down when I am boycotting it but my tax dollars are allowing non-working people to keep buying it? The laws of supply and demand simply arent at work here.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:23 PM

I got no problem with folks keeping more of their own money.
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by lumberjack391
A 3 pack of steaks cost about 60 dollars now at my store. Who is buying this stuff with any regularity? Maybe the people with EBT cards that I as a taxpayer subsidize? How is the price going to go down when I am boycotting it but my tax dollars are allowing non-working people to keep buying it? The laws of supply and demand simply arent at work here.


My customers pay market price the day I take the deposit, then they pay the slaughterhouse kill, cut, wrap fees. I can guarantee they aren't paying those kind of prices.
Posted By: lumberjack391

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:38 PM

Im talking Walmart prices.
Posted By: walleye101

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:38 PM

The biggest mistake is thinking this idea, or any of the other socialist progam ideas, originated with Biden. Unless you believe that he is the one writing the words he reads from the teleprompter.
Posted By: cat_trapper_nv

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:40 PM

My brother in law and his family make their money dairy farming and they claim subsidies is the only reason they can still do it. But Iím still against subsidies and donít think itís the only way they can do it. When a dairy farmer can sell their milk for more per gallon than I buy it at the store, thereís an issue. Same with beef, same with crop insurance. The government ďhelpingĒ industries in a free market is a temperary fix with long term effects. And that includes the subsidies of min wage.
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by CaseXX

If Biden sends me a check I'll kiss TWNAOTM, I know you all sent your stimulus checks back.
Case.

I don't know what a stimulus check looks like.Never got one.I also don't know what TWNAOTM means..but when you kiss it,,I want to watch. grin
Posted By: hippie

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by walleye101
The biggest mistake is thinking this idea, or any of the other socialist progam ideas, originated with Biden. Unless you believe that he is the one writing the words he reads from the teleprompter.


He's the one signing, but I agree that he doesn't know what's in the bills he signs.

Most here obviously don't know that the meat industry already received 600,000,000 in the first stimulus bill Pelosi and company passed.
Posted By: danvee

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:45 PM

Your spot on Walleye it all started with land grants like giving away land to the railroads and Im not talking about just the right of way. It started day one when the King of England promised land to those that would do his bidding.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 03:54 PM

"Suddenly, dairy farmers who had been hurting were flush with cashóand producing as much milk as they could in order to take advantage of government support. The government purchased the milk dairy farmers couldnít sell and began to process it into cheese, butter and dehydrated milk powder. As dairy farmers produced more and more milk, stockpiles ballooned. As anthropologist Bradley N. Jones notes, eventually the stockpile hit over 500 million pounds, stored in hundreds of warehouses in 35 states.


The huge supply was a problem, but there was another catch: The government had no idea what to do with all that cheese. ďProbably the cheapest and most practical thing to do would be to dump it in the ocean,Ē a USDA official told the Washington Post in 1981. There was also confusion as to how long the processed American cheeseódesigned to be stored for long periods of timeóreally lasted."
Posted By: ccoyote

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bigfoot
This is just the government trying to fix a problem they created . The USDA has had its foot on the neck of small meat processing facilities for decades . Their regulation and unfair inspection rules that cater to the megaplants have created a monopoly where the packers set the price they are going to pay for livestock and they set the price the grocers pay for the meat . They have been gouging the consumer and gouging the farmers pretty bad .

This money is earmarked for small meat processors to create some competition and a more resilient food chain .


This is the most accurate statement yet as far as my understanding goes this is not a payment made to beef farmers directly this is payment made to medium and sized packers to build or expand... Theyre attempting to create more competition in the packing industry that they wrecked themselves. my problem here is they already do a poor job of enforcing the the packer and stockyards act. So it's very predictable for the mega packers in 5 yrs to squeeze the profit out of the mid sized outfits that will be built until they can buy them for pennies on the dollar. Look up the past 3 yrs in the beef industry and you can see that we had record box beef prices and a stagnant and at time declining live cattle price. Dont worry fires, hacking, and covid all did that though by taking plants offline... Didnt matter that following those events the rest of plants worked overtime and we were still able to make larger weekly kills.

Likely the meat farmer and consumer will see very little if any benefit.

If you want try and benefit from the free money build a slaugterhouse. I will root for ya over the big boys.
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by CaseXX

If Biden sends me a check I'll kiss TWNAOTM, I know you all sent your stimulus checks back.
Case.

I don't know what a stimulus check looks like.Never got one.I also don't know what TWNAOTM means..but when you kiss it,,I want to watch. grin


Looks like the wheels of the gods aren't the only ones that turn slowly.

I'm done.
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Yes sir
Been happening in farming my whole life and unfortunately has been ever growing in the cattle industry for probably the last 10 years. A lot of people who say they are against socialism find an excuse to justify when it means $ going in their pocket.

Yep
Posted By: jeff karsten

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 04:36 PM

Well its working different crisis different day don't hear much bout Afghanistan, immigrants,redistricting,censorship anymore gas has dropped 40 cents Here, BLM and defunding police is old news Couple stimulus checks should seal the deal in Nov. 2022
Posted By: tree

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 04:43 PM

My fisherman neighbor was cut a federal 40k check two summers ago for being impacted by the "China Tariffs" Before you say fishermen feed the world, he targets Copper River Reds that start at 25 bucks and up retail. King crab, geoduck clams, sea cucs and urchin are all high end products, most with an asian market. Not feeding the masses. I have an issue with that.
Posted By: mike mason

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt
My favorite program is ethanol subsidies and mandates. Take tax dollars to drive the price of corn up, hence the cost of any food produced or made with corn, for the taxpayer. Then put ethanol in gas so it goes bad and damages the taxpayers' equipment. All to benefit corn farmers. less than 1% of the U.S. population. Winners less than 1%, losers greater than 99%. This is not even good socialism.

Make even more sense when you can buy ethanol from Brazil for 10 cents/gallon.
Posted By: Law Dog

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 05:48 PM

Only the Government can regulate a profitable sector out of prosperity and then decide to subsidize it to waste money. LOL But then they gain control of it.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
So let me get this straight.

Ice cream joey wants to take the money he takes from me and give it to meat farmers to lower the price I pay for meat at the store.

$1 billion to be exact. That is 1,000 million dollar bills.

Yes, folks. This is how farm subsidies work. The gubmint acts as a go between to give the farmers your money to keep your prices low.

Kind of hard to wrap your head around that one and splain it to where it makes any sense.

I understand farmers lose crops to various things and need help from time to time. However, taking my money to give to farmers to keep my perceived prices lower at the grocery store only gives the politician power to look like the savior of farmers and consumers. It is such a sham.

I hear circus music.



Its not to benefit you-it is so people who have little money and dont pay taxes and vote for Joe can eat prime rib too.
Posted By: Marty

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 06:03 PM

frown
Posted By: hippie

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
So let me get this straight.

Ice cream joey wants to take the money he takes from me and give it to meat farmers to lower the price I pay for meat at the store.

$1 billion to be exact. That is 1,000 million dollar bills.

Yes, folks. This is how farm subsidies work. The gubmint acts as a go between to give the farmers your money to keep your prices low.

Kind of hard to wrap your head around that one and splain it to where it makes any sense.

I understand farmers lose crops to various things and need help from time to time. However, taking my money to give to farmers to keep my perceived prices lower at the grocery store only gives the politician power to look like the savior of farmers and consumers. It is such a sham.

I hear circus music.



Its not to benefit you-it is so people who have little money and dont pay taxes and vote for Joe can eat prime rib too.



Nah, most of that money goes back to the politicians who passed it via donations.
Posted By: Scuba1

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by upstateNY
If the Gubment will pay farmers NOT to grow crops,,I wonder if they will pay me NOT to trap?? grin


I tried that ... asking for a couple of grand for not buying a gun this month .... no luck
Posted By: hippie

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 06:41 PM

More regulations since January and now to fix the crisis they created. Go figure.
Posted By: rick olson

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 06:51 PM

The world needs farmers small and large,bottom line they need to get a decent price for there labor with a good crop.Case hit it on the nail,when my Dad farmed up untill 10 years ago the land was paid for and 90% of the equipment too.He farmed 700 acres and every year he would burrow money to put the crops in long story short most year it took about 100k gross to net 30K some years more many years less with a fair price for everything to help cover the input etc. a person should be able to net 40 to 60K for the about of time and know how,if you break it down by a hourly wage it would SUCK!!!!!That's my take on it other than our president does'nt have a clue on MANY MANY things.
Posted By: Pawnee

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 07:00 PM

I always say $6 corn is no good for anyone but me and only good for me a month or two at best. High corn means high everything. Cost of gain in the feed yards is terrible, close to $1/pound right now! Anhydrous was $400 last winter $1400-1500 now! Roundup was $15/gal now $65! I personally think itís going to only get worse
Posted By: rick olson

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 07:11 PM

They are doing their best to WRECK AMERICA thats for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Bigfoot

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 07:56 PM

There are several things In this bill that is good . Country of origin labeling is huge All food should be labeled for country of origin .There are millions of pounds of meat imported , processed. And labeled product of USA .
Posted By: MJM

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 08:17 PM

This says to help independent meat processors, nothing about producers.
Biden outlined plans to distribute $1 billion from the coronavirus relief package to help independent meat processors expand. He also highlighted money to train workers in the industry and improve conditions, as well as issue new rules for meatpackers and labeling requirements for being designated a ďProduct of USA.Ē
Posted By: rvsask

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bigfoot
There are several things In this bill that is good . Country of origin labeling is huge All food should be labeled for country of origin .There are millions of pounds of meat imported , processed. And labeled product of USA .

I havenít read the bill, but I agree 100% on labeling. Itís actually billions of pounds of beef imported, but thatís a moot point. I prefer to know where my food comes from, I canít see why that as a requirement is a poor idea.
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by rvsask
Originally Posted by Bigfoot
There are several things In this bill that is good . Country of origin labeling is huge All food should be labeled for country of origin .There are millions of pounds of meat imported , processed. And labeled product of USA .

I havenít read the bill, but I agree 100% on labeling. Itís actually billions of pounds of beef imported, but thatís a moot point. I prefer to know where my food comes from, I canít see why that as a requirement is a poor idea.


Well, rvsask don't feel alone. Danvee was right about one thing, and one thing only. We are going back to the futile system, and the futility of it is trying to communicate when people only hear what they want to hear. I'm not putting words in his mouth but I think he means feudal. As for the farm bill better get yourself a few Red Bull's and a good ag. Lawyer nobody has/can read that thing. The best you can do is head to the local USDA office and talk to the fellow in charge of your area of interest and hope he gets it right. Another day another fellow and you may get another opinion. I have never been able to wrap my head around the US importing beef, or lamb for that matter, but we do. Go figure. I see you are to the great white north you don't even have to do that, well good on you. Good luck with the queen in such matters.
Case
Posted By: lumberjack391

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by rick olson
The world needs farmers small and large,bottom line they need to get a decent price for there labor with a good crop.Case hit it on the nail,when my Dad farmed up untill 10 years ago the land was paid for and 90% of the equipment too.He farmed 700 acres and every year he would burrow money to put the crops in long story short most year it took about 100k gross to net 30K some years more many years less with a fair price for everything to help cover the input etc. a person should be able to net 40 to 60K for the about of time and know how,if you break it down by a hourly wage it would SUCK!!!!!That's my take on it other than our president does'nt have a clue on MANY MANY things.

What if you replaced the word "Farmer" with "trapper" and "Crops with "Traps" Not quite that kind of money for me but about the same percentage wise.
Posted By: rvsask

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 09:07 PM

Case, like you guys we also import beef. As best I can understand itís for the ground beef part of the industry, same with you guys. Not overly surprising, weíre both pretty overweight nations, more keen on fast food burgers and fries as opposed to locally produced foods.
Posted By: wallfur

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 10:11 PM

people need to skip the grocery store.....farmers are selling hambuger for 50 cents a pound and its over 5 dollars a pound in the store...buy strait from the farmer and grind your own meat.
Posted By: MJM

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by wallfur
people need to skip the grocery store.....farmers are selling hambuger for 50 cents a pound and its over 5 dollars a pound in the store...buy strait from the farmer and grind your own meat.

I can assure you none are selling burger for .50 a pound here. I can buy meat in the store cheaper than what the ranchers are selling burger or steaks for. Give me a phone number and I will drive to ID for a pick up load.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by rvsask
Case, like you guys we also import beef. As best I can understand itís for the ground beef part of the industry, same with you guys. Not overly surprising, weíre both pretty overweight nations, more keen on fast food burgers and fries as opposed to locally produced foods.

If Old goofy Biden is subsidizing the beef industry in the states that is an unfair trade practice.
I hope we slap big tarrifs on them trying to dump cheap beef here to the detriment of our free market system.-Bunch of commies.
Posted By: Scuba1

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 11:12 PM

I think it a grand idea. Meat will seem cheap while we can whine and cry about the ever rising income tax to compensate for the affordable baloney sandwich crazy
Posted By: rvsask

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by rvsask
Case, like you guys we also import beef. As best I can understand itís for the ground beef part of the industry, same with you guys. Not overly surprising, weíre both pretty overweight nations, more keen on fast food burgers and fries as opposed to locally produced foods.

If Old goofy Biden is subsidizing the beef industry in the states that is an unfair trade practice.
I hope we slap big tarrifs on them trying to dump cheap beef here to the detriment of our free market system.-Bunch of commies.


Perfect Response. grin
Posted By: run

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by rvsask
Case, like you guys we also import beef. As best I can understand itís for the ground beef part of the industry, same with you guys. Not overly surprising, weíre both pretty overweight nations, more keen on fast food burgers and fries as opposed to locally produced foods.

If Old goofy Biden is subsidizing the beef industry in the states that is an unfair trade practice.
I hope we slap big tarrifs on them trying to dump cheap beef here to the detriment of our free market system.-Bunch of commies.

I agree.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 11:32 PM

"The main beneficiaries of government support are Canadian dairy, poultry and egg producers, who set their own prices and are protected from most foreign competition by prohibitively high tariffs. There are also numerous "risk management" programs aimed at shielding farmers from such setbacks as disease, bad weather and high feed costs.

Canada isn't a particularly big spender compared with most other developed countries. Subsidies and indirect transfers accounted for 14 per cent of gross farm receipts in 2011, compared with the 19-per-cent average among OECD countries. Government support makes up more than half of what farmers pocket in at least four countries Ė Japan, South Korea, Norway and Switzerland."
Posted By: run

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/04/22 11:35 PM

I understand Manitoba had a fairly serious drought this past year so some beef farmers ended up getting out of the beef business.
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by rvsask
Case, like you guys we also import beef. As best I can understand it’s for the ground beef part of the industry, same with you guys. Not overly surprising, we’re both pretty overweight nations, more keen on fast food burgers and fries as opposed to locally produced foods.

If Old goofy Biden is subsidizing the beef industry in the states that is an unfair trade practice.
I hope we slap big tarrifs on them trying to dump cheap beef here to the detriment of our free market system.-Bunch of commies.

Like you did our dairy products?Trump pulled your Man Queens dress down and gave him a spanking and put an end to that.Hahahaaaaa grin
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 12:57 AM

The monies as part of the bill are targeted to help establish more small and local processors in an attempt to decentralize the meat packing industry. These funds come in the forms of grants, low interest loans etc. As stated above have practices in the past and government etc. helped to centralize the processing industry. The government acts in political ways, which are not always the best when it comes to profit etc. The government however is not the capitalists that have sold firms and interest to Brazil, China and other nations. Two of the largest 10 dairy firms are Canadian owned. One of the trade offs with farm subsidies was the requirement that farmers be asked to report to the USDA through the NASS organization. The reporting is voluntary and thus many choose not to report. Some reports are annual, some more frequent ands some are every 2-5 years. I worked for NASS for 14 months setting up appointments for these reports. I liked that job the least of any I have had, for a whole host or reasons. Many government related and also many working with producers who wanted to share nothing but get their subsidies.
As stated above we need large producers and small producers. Now with many farms becoming so large that small plots, odd shaped fields, etc. etc. are not practical to farm or till, the opportunity for small scale farmers to utilize those acres is there. Much of that production will be for part time farming as there will not be revenues to support modern day life even in most rural regions. This is nothing new as a huge percentage of farms today are supported by off the farm employment along with subsidies be they federal, state and or local. As to replacing farming with trapping, that on a worldwide basis won't happen. 7 billion people will not survive without some form of farmer producing food, whereas they can exist w/o a trapper. Fur if needed can be provided by other means and in many countries of the world that production is already subsidized.
The world will need to find ways to make sustainable or small scale farm production produce more per acre or unit as the current production levels will not sustain the population without a huge cost increase in food.
I am currently reviewing some research that shows that sustainable dairy farms can be more profitable then large scale conventional farms but they produce about 20% less usable milk protein and fat, which would negatively impact consumers worldwide.

Bryce
Posted By: Steven 49er

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by rvsask
Case, like you guys we also import beef. As best I can understand itís for the ground beef part of the industry, same with you guys. Not overly surprising, weíre both pretty overweight nations, more keen on fast food burgers and fries as opposed to locally produced foods.

If Old goofy Biden is subsidizing the beef industry in the states that is an unfair trade practice.
I hope we slap big tarrifs on them trying to dump cheap beef here to the detriment of our free market system.-Bunch of commies.


Did you fall and hit your head this morning?
Posted By: wallfur

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 02:45 AM

I can assure you none are selling burger for .50 a pound here. I can buy meat in the store cheaper than what the ranchers are selling burger or steaks for. Give me a phone number and I will drive to ID for a pick up load. [/quote].....
i can assure i am.....last load of cull cows went anywhere from 32 cents to 54 live weight.....MJM.i will pm you my number how many do you want?
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by lumberjack391
Originally Posted by rick olson
The world needs farmers small and large,bottom line they need to get a decent price for there labor with a good crop.Case hit it on the nail,when my Dad farmed up untill 10 years ago the land was paid for and 90% of the equipment too.He farmed 700 acres and every year he would burrow money to put the crops in long story short most year it took about 100k gross to net 30K some years more many years less with a fair price for everything to help cover the input etc. a person should be able to net 40 to 60K for the about of time and know how,if you break it down by a hourly wage it would SUCK!!!!!That's my take on it other than our president does'nt have a clue on MANY MANY things.

What if you replaced the word "Farmer" with "trapper" and "Crops with "Traps" Not quite that kind of money for me but about the same percentage wise.


" Coon biodiesel; making America energy independent! " "Better than ethanol ! Good for the Environment! Sustainable and Certified!" Always need more renewable energy sources.
Posted By: MJM

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by wallfur
i can assure i am.....last load of cull cows went anywhere from 32 cents to 54 live weight.....MJM.i will pm you my number how many do you want?

A cull cow is not Hamburger, it is a cull cow. You said "hamburger" You said nothing about cull cows for 32-54cents live weight. I eat better beef than cull cows.
.farmers are selling hambuger for 50 cents a pound and its over 5 dollars a pound in the store.
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 03:29 AM

It is too bad that many of you do not live in a region where cows that are culled are worth more. Here the last month our range is 29cents to 72 cents with over 50% selling for over 55 cents. These are 905 Holstein dairy cows and the better condition ones will weight 1450-1700 lbs., so many are worth over $1,000. One of the several reasons why milk production is declining is with higher input costs selling off cows makes dollars not cents.

Bryce
Posted By: wallfur

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 03:49 AM
















A cull cow is not Hamburger, it is a cull cow. You said "hamburger" You said nothing about cull cows for 32-54cents live weight. I eat better beef than cull cows.
.farmers are selling hambuger for 50 cents a pound and its over 5 dollars a pound in the store.[/quote]
in my post what part of grind you own meat didnt you understand? lol and yes cull cows are hamburger
Posted By: Ole

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 03:55 AM

People seem to give presidents credit when it is something they approve of or blame them when they don't approve. Regardless of which party the president belongs to, it is Congress who passes the big spending bills and the president just signs them. So the congressmen from big farm states are the ones who are looking for votes. The only way I can support much of the farm bill is because it probably keeps my grocery costs lower even though garden produce and big game meat keep my freezer pretty full. The tariffs Trump put on China caused Trump to fork over 16 billion to farmers to cover the lower price for their grain because China stopped buying from us for a time.

I have a friend who bought 80 acres and raises alfalfa. He gets a check annually from Farm Services Agency for wheat he doesn't grow. He tried to give the check back and was told they couldn't accept it. That is peanuts in the big picture, but how many peanuts are being collected with little or no oversight or correction. I don't have any answers, but blaming a president of either party for farm subsidies is giving them more credit than they deserve.
Posted By: run

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by bblwi
It is too bad that many of you do not live in a region where cows that are culled are worth more. Here the last month our range is 29cents to 72 cents with over 50% selling for over 55 cents. These are 905 Holstein dairy cows and the better condition ones will weight 1450-1700 lbs., so many are worth over $1,000. One of the several reasons why milk production is declining is with higher input costs selling off cows makes dollars not cents.

Bryce

I'm happy to hear that milk production is declining.
Posted By: wy.wolfer

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
So let me get this straight.

Ice cream joey wants to take the money he takes from me and give it to meat farmers to lower the price I pay for meat at the store.

$1 billion to be exact. That is 1,000 million dollar bills.

Yes, folks. This is how farm subsidies work. The gubmint acts as a go between to give the farmers your money to keep your prices low.

Kind of hard to wrap your head around that one and splain it to where it makes any sense.

I understand farmers lose crops to various things and need help from time to time. However, taking my money to give to farmers to keep my perceived prices lower at the grocery store only gives the politician power to look like the savior of farmers and consumers. It is such a sham.

I hear circus music.
I think you just broke a political code, most can't figure it out.
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 06:03 PM

So let me get this straight.

Ice cream joey wants to take the money he takes from me and give it to meat farmers to lower the price I pay for meat at the store.

$1 billion to be exact. That is 1,000 million dollar bills.

Yes, folks. This is how farm subsidies work. The gubmint acts as a go between to give the farmers your money to keep your prices low.

Kind of hard to wrap your head around that one and splain it to where it makes any sense.

I understand farmers lose crops to various things and need help from time to time. However, taking my money to give to farmers to keep my perceived prices lower at the grocery store only gives the politician power to look like the savior of farmers and consumers. It is such a sham.

I hear circus music.
I think you just broke a political code, most can't figure it out.

There is some truth and reality to the above but in this case the initial premise is not correct. The monies are not going to meat farmers, the money is going to new startups and other smaller processors to be able to purchase meat from farmers and at a higher price for the farmer, or at least in a less controlled market. Now if a meat farmer builds their own processing plant then they will share directly in those funds. The idea behind this is to increase the price to the producer even if the market or store price does not rise. The competition will always try to hold their market share and grow so there could e price drops to make profit really difficult for new processors, not so much different than what goes on in grocery chains, big box chains, convenience stores already.
Meat producers have never had direct subsidies, in the past. They did and do however benefit from the subsidies for commodity crops which allows those to in some cases reach the markets at below the cost of production.
One of the main reasons you don't see huge meat processors fighting over land to produce crops to feed, chickens, turkeys, hogs or beef is that if they can control the outlets of where the crops are sold and to who, why invest huge monies in trying to produce feed that you can buy at a lower cost with less risk.

Bryce
Posted By: charles

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/05/22 06:12 PM

Trying their best to put commercial seafood producers out of business. Gear restriction, quotas, seasons, licenses, closures, you name it.

Meanwhile we are importing uninspected seafood from third world countries.
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/06/22 12:19 AM

I am betting that if the federal gov every decided they are unhappy with China and banned selling fur to them a lot of you would have a better understanding of ag producers need for subsidies. The gov needs to stay out of the free market or it is no longer a free market
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/06/22 12:38 AM

Thank you Leftlane, but as they say, their are none so blind as those that will not hear.
Posted By: Dirt

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/06/22 12:47 AM

"Trump's payments to farmers hit all-time high ahead of election
By Mark Weinraub


CHICAGO (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump is assuring a bumper year for farmers as the Nov. 3 election approaches, with record government subsidies projected to make up more than a third of farm income in 2020.

The aid programs could be key to Trumpís chances of success in swing states such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Iowa and Minnesota. Such states are hotly contested because their population can swing either to Republicans or Democrats and play a decisive role in presidential elections. Farmers favored the Republican president by a wide margin in the 2016 election.

Trump has banked on that support to endure through trade wars that his administration fought with key U.S. commercial partners since he took office. Reprisals from China and other trade partners to Trumpís tariffs on imports led to the loss of billions of dollars in U.S. agricultural exports.

Government payments, ranging from longstanding crop insurance payments to new programs compensating farmers for lost sales during the U.S.-China trade war, have risen every year of Trumpís presidency.

Farmers also say they have suffered from Trumpís policy of exempting some oil refiners from requirements to blend ethanol into their fuel, which has reduced demand for corn used to make the biofuel."
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/06/22 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by CaseXX
as they say, their are none so blind as those that will not hear.

WOW,,,that might be what YOU say LOL
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/06/22 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Dirt
"Trump's payments to farmers hit all-time high ahead of election
By Mark Weinraub


CHICAGO (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump is assuring a bumper year for farmers as the Nov. 3 election approaches, with record government subsidies projected to make up more than a third of farm income in 2020.

The aid programs could be key to Trumpís chances of success in swing states such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Iowa and Minnesota. Such states are hotly contested because their population can swing either to Republicans or Democrats and play a decisive role in presidential elections. Farmers favored the Republican president by a wide margin in the 2016 election.

Trump has banked on that support to endure through trade wars that his administration fought with key U.S. commercial partners since he took office. Reprisals from China and other trade partners to Trumpís tariffs on imports led to the loss of billions of dollars in U.S. agricultural exports.

Government payments, ranging from longstanding crop insurance payments to new programs compensating farmers for lost sales during the U.S.-China trade war, have risen every year of Trumpís presidency.

Farmers also say they have suffered from Trumpís policy of exempting some oil refiners from requirements to blend ethanol into their fuel, which has reduced demand for corn used to make the biofuel."


And he still lost Wis. Minn. what's that tell you, that's what I say.
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/06/22 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by CaseXX
as they say, their are none so blind as those that will not hear.

WOW,,,that might be what YOU say LOL


Boy, you just ain't got no learn inya do'ya.
You got to follow me around just to get some attention don't cha.
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/06/22 01:03 AM

Relevance? Don't see how anymore.
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/06/22 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by trapdog1
Relevance? Don't see how anymore.


There's none he's just following me to poke at me. I'm out.
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/06/22 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by CaseXX
Originally Posted by trapdog1
Relevance? Don't see how anymore.


There's none he's just following me to poke at me. I'm out.

Not what I was talking about. Never mind.
Posted By: Okie Farmer

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/06/22 03:14 PM

I think this money is for the packers or at least part of it.
Posted By: bowhunter27295

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/07/22 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by CaseXX
Originally Posted by Dirt
"Trump's payments to farmers hit all-time high ahead of election
By Mark Weinraub


CHICAGO (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump is assuring a bumper year for farmers as the Nov. 3 election approaches, with record government subsidies projected to make up more than a third of farm income in 2020.

The aid programs could be key to Trumpís chances of success in swing states such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Iowa and Minnesota. Such states are hotly contested because their population can swing either to Republicans or Democrats and play a decisive role in presidential elections. Farmers favored the Republican president by a wide margin in the 2016 election.

Trump has banked on that support to endure through trade wars that his administration fought with key U.S. commercial partners since he took office. Reprisals from China and other trade partners to Trumpís tariffs on imports led to the loss of billions of dollars in U.S. agricultural exports.

Government payments, ranging from longstanding crop insurance payments to new programs compensating farmers for lost sales during the U.S.-China trade war, have risen every year of Trumpís presidency.

Farmers also say they have suffered from Trumpís policy of exempting some oil refiners from requirements to blend ethanol into their fuel, which has reduced demand for corn used to make the biofuel."


And he still lost Wis. Minn. what's that tell you, that's what I say.


If you believe that, it tells me you drank some kool aid.
Posted By: rvsask

Re: Biden to subsidize meat farmers - 01/07/22 02:04 AM

If you donít believe that (thereís endless proof)
Then you areÖ..

Part of a cult.
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