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Posted By: kyron4

Black powder ? - 01/06/22 05:08 AM

With Goex officially closed , what's the black powder market looking like going forward with Swiss and Schutzen only being imported a few times a year ? Right now prices are up and availability in down. Most online outlets require a min. 5 lbs order. , and the ones that sell it by the pound are out of stock. Another pound of FFG would be plenty for me but I don't shoot enough to ever use 5 lbs. in what's left of my life. Will supply catch up with demand ? Will someone buy and reopen Goex ? On another forum someone stated by summer that BP would be readily available from distributors. What say you ?
Posted By: Woodsloafer72

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 05:25 AM

Time to learn a new skill. Start making your own.
Posted By: kyron4

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by Woodsloafer72
Time to learn a new skill. Start making your own.

Has crossed my mind. Just short on time and a little leery of mixing up a batch on my own with no experience.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 11:11 AM

Rumor is insurance shut down GOEX. Two mishaps in ten years and insurance was just cost prohibitive.

People have been making their own powder for a thousand years. Like everything firearm related follow the safety rules. Goex had some mishaps but no one was hurt. Make small batches. Do your milling away from buildings animals and humans. Mill dust in a pile burns too slow to be useful. It needs granulated. Mill dust in the air is like grain dust.. VERY flammable and explosive.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by kyron4
Originally Posted by Woodsloafer72
Time to learn a new skill. Start making your own.

Has crossed my mind. Just short on time and a little leery of mixing up a batch on my own with no experience.


Give it a go. Itís enjoyable and rewarding.
Posted By: EdP

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 12:39 PM

I suspect insurance was a factor but explosions at BP facilities is a fact of life. Facility design, layout, and operating practices improve safety for employees but equipment is going to be damaged when an explosion happens. That has to be factored into the cost of doing business.

Other factors may have played just as significant a part as insurance costs. Given the precipitious decline in traditional ML shooting and a reduced need for BP by the military, I think the Goex facility was operating well below its design capacity. Facilities operate most economically when run at capacity so that means their fixed costs had to be spread over a smaller quantity of product, and the demand was going to continue to decline. Schutzen was already selling below Goex so Hodgen was looking at a declining market share in addition to a declining market. They decided they would rather invest in products with growth potential. As much as I hate it, it makes business sense. Anyone taking over the Goex facility is going to be faced with the same issues, likely with pockets not nearly as deep as Hodgen.
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 01:05 PM

I have a dozen boxes or so of the old Pyrodex 50 grain pellets they are quite old, but are in original plastic boxes with plastic wrap. Never opened. Do you think these would serve your needs? Like I say they are old bout 20 years. I'm in central Indiana, do you know if they can be shipped leag. Will give you 2 boxes gratis just to help out a fellow Hoosier. They fit my old 50 cal's perfectly.
Case
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 01:20 PM

I havnt tried this

https://www.woodysrocks.com/store/p275/Black_Powder_Puck_Press.html#/


Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 01:22 PM

CaseXX you cant ship that legally without a hazmat contract with UPS. Expensive. Unless your starting a business its cost prohibitive.
Posted By: seniortrap

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 01:23 PM

This is BS!
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by seniortrap
This is BS!


What part please
Posted By: SNIPERB🦝

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 01:59 PM

Hows the pellet black powder doing supply wise? Havent bought any in years
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 02:24 PM

get a couple friends together buy a 5.5# or 25# and break it down label it well and make sure to put your friends names on it as where to go should you kick it first

https://www.addictedtoblackpowder.com/back-powder/
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 03:15 PM

I called and no one answered. You sure they still have stock? Can't figure out how to order from the website either
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
I called and no one answered. You sure they still have stock? Can't figure out how to order from the website either

you called crater fireworks ?

he has a day job as does his wife , he is also on the fire department.

leave a message , he operates from his farm and has the powder magazine housed in his pasture.

Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by danny clifton
I called and no one answered. You sure they still have stock? Can't figure out how to order from the website either

you called crater fireworks ?

he has a day job as does his wife , he is also on the fire department.

leave a message , he operates from his farm and has the powder magazine housed in his pasture.



Green co. I just called and talked to Jon he is going to work but he has several powders in stock.
Case
Posted By: CaseXX

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 04:04 PM

Kyron4 just called the guy from the link (Jon) provided by Greencountypete, the cell # and he has differing powders in stock. From his site I see some can be had in 1lb.containers. Hope this helps.
Case
Posted By: Tom Fisher

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 04:05 PM

Is Pyrodex available?
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 04:05 PM

Yep. Just called back. has Schuetzen and Swiss. Haz mat is 80 something now. Makes 5 pounds of Schuetzen powder about 200 bucks. Cost to make the "good stuff" at home is pricey too. I have not tried the tool to make pucks but all the commercial producers use pressure. One of the big problems the confederacy had was lack of good powder. You can make stuff that pops pretty easily but quality takes some equipment. I wonder how well a complete black powder equipment tool set would sell? One of you entrepreneurial types ought to put one together.
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 04:09 PM

pyrodex is not hard to find
Posted By: jeff karsten

Re: Black powder ? - 01/06/22 04:17 PM

Don't think pyrodex or 777 has been impacted by the goexx shutdown as insurance, cost of production and market share changes these may dwindle as most buyers use pelleted form
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