Ford Trucks Suck !

I am working on a 2017 Ford F-150 today. I had to remove a wheel to gain access to make a repair. I ruined all 6 lug nuts …because they would not come out of the socket. And God forbid you get a flat in one of these Turds. The factory lug wrench won’t even fit on the lug nuts…..and even if you got it on….you cannot get the lug nut out of that factory lug wrench. So I did a little googling…..and it seems like a big Nope Up from Ford….You Ford truck ownahs have been warned……..

Lol

GM fan here

Need ya one of these. Thats a common issue on every vehicle that comes in our shop that has lug nuts with the cheap pressed on chrome cap, heck we even have 19.5, 21.5, and 22.5 millimeter sockets and sometimes they wont fit.

I have a 2013 and found out last Spring I had swollen nuts on my truck. When I had oil change, they informed me they could not rotate tires because of it. Ford had the problem for several years and they dodged doing a recall. They offered to replace all 24 of them for $239.00! Great people! As you did, google told me the whole story. I replaced with after market for a fraction of what they wanted.

One word - TOYOTA.

As long as you only need a half ton or smaller.

Don't have that trouble with my Chevy truck

my ford has steel nuts

X2

I bet they saved $5 using those cheap lugnuts on that overpriced vehicle.

My 1979 f 150 tires come off just fine, and I can do almost anything with a simple tool box. Only chrome on the truck is the knobs on the radio. Not a single computer anywhere. 69,000 original one owner miles.

You have to use the truck to talk about how great it is. That must have been a drive to church only truck.

Toyota Tacoma and if needed a Honda UTV will make life on the trapline much simpler, Grass Hopper. (Remember the movie Karate Kid?)

I do use it how do you think I got 69000 miles on it. Who says I have to use it to talk about it? I can talk about it if I want.

You won't have that trouble with a Chevy. You can replace blown motors with the tires on the truck.

That's the stupid nonbinary non mechanically inclined skinny Jean wearing oily beard hipster engineers fault. Auto engineers must be intoxicated while working. I swear some of the stuff they design makes you swear in languages you didn't know.

Dodges have the same problem. Beat the socket on with a hammer, beat the nut out of the socket with a punch

Thats 2 years 3 at the most driving for me. I love those trucks. I should have got my uncles at the auction. 4x4 and 32k miled one owner. But rusted and had not run in years.

Hay providence farm please jump down to the chat forum for a sec.

I have a 2019 f350. The lugnut come off easily on it but it requires a sledgehammer to get the wheels off.

Ha, doesn't suprise me, they expect you to throw away your truck when the tires wear out and go buy a new vehicle.

My nuts have not swollen. F250 2015 4x4. No chrome on my nuts. A four way is not deep enough to fully grasp my nuts. Just rotated the tires myself and my nuts were good.

Your lucky …maybe it’s where you live ..no salt on the Wintah roads….you don’t to deal with swollen nuts.

Yea spend 60 grand then have to buy a tool to change the tired

1600 miles a year,,whats that like 30 miles a week,, 4 1/2 miles a day ,I walk further than that.LOL

What took you so long to figure this out?

interesting here they call the half size up lug nut sockets the dodge set

https://www.amazon.com/Steelman-5-P...ut+sockets&qid=1642048427&sr=8-2

anti seize , is your friend

it is about everything these days

a bunch of them now have plastic oil pans with a plastic drain plug

so you don't shatter your oil pan when you hit a snow drift they have a plastic cover that has to be removed with 4 8mm bolts to access the drain plug

lol some toyotas have those type lug nuts too.

they all do!!!!!

That’s why you slide a 4way lug wrench under the seat when you bring your truck home

I have this kit. It removes any lugnut regardless of size. Removes locking lugnuts that the key is missing , rounded off ones , rusty misshapen ones , internal spline drive and custom 5 sided anti- theft ones.


The inside of these have a left handed thread with a taper and it is knerled. It grabs the outside and locks tight as the more you spin it with an impact gun the tighter it gets. Removes any lugnut in seconds. I've removed dozens of Dodge lug nuts with the crappy fake cover with them.

And people wonder why mechanics charge a good buck , we have to buy all these crazy speciality tools to overcome crap that the factory makes to save a buck.

i fight with those type lug nuts daily. on all makes and models

the reality is they all have one reason or another that they suck now

it's almost like their are working on lowering your expectations for when you have to go EV

I think there is going to be a big market for rebuilt early 2000s trucks

My 2019 F-350 Super Duty has stainless steel nuts.
A bit of anti-seize on each stud and where the rim contacts the hub. No problems.
And by the way, Ford trucks do not suck.
My first Ford truck was a very used 1931.
Many Fords in my lifetime including trucks, SUVs, tractors, farm machinery, and a motor home.

I owned one Ford in my life, there probably won't be another. Google the motor problems that independent Ford mechanics discuss. And don't forget that short lived water pump on the 3.5L V6 they use in many of the SUV's.

I won't even mention the 5.4L 3V and timing chain issues that everyone will eventually deal with.

I can relate to this-first time I rotated my tires I used 8# splitting maul(flat end) to get those aluminum wheels off!!!

Yep my dad made me do that since 1972!!

I think the problem with those thin metal nuts is made much worse by using a impact gun on them which beats out the corners thinner. As the metal expands, the metal cover expands until the normal size socket will not fit. I break all lugnuts by hand and remove with impact if handy. I reinstall by seating nuts with the impact and tighten by hand. If the nuts are already boogered, I replace with solid nuts .

Probably would've had a better experience if u would have gotten a 5.0L V8. Love mine so far ('17)

A couple tips for next time or others that experience this is what happens to dissimilar metals together ( steel/aluminum/stainless) will bond over time , locking the wheel to the hub.

Try this - crack all the lugnuts loose but only back them off a couple turns ( mostly still all the way on the stud) , using a hydraulic floor jack , drop it fast to the ground. Alternative method loosen lugnuts like above , then with all wheels on ground and no jack , kinda do a hard mini type burnout for a split second to snap them loose. Again , you must have the lug nuts almost all the way installed to do this , just loosened a few threads.

Anti seize the contact points when re-installing.

Good tip Cragar. I have also had luck rocking the car side to side with the lug nuts cracked loose to pop the wheels off.

Anti seize does not belong on lug nuts or studs. It acts as a lubricant and can lead to massive over torque of the lug nut, even if a torque wrench indicates correct torque. This can lead to damaged lug nut or stud threads and cracked lug studs. All bad.

Won't be giving my Ford truck up. It is all I have ran for over 30 years.

I had Swollen Nuts last year- it's not as debilitating as it sounds!
During a routine tire rotation- I replaced all of them at the advice of my local and trustworthy shop- the mechanic said you'll never get a wrench on them in the future if you need to change a tire. I believe the OEM nuts are a two-piece design... sounds like a design problem.

No lug nut issues on my 89, 93, or 99 cummins powered trucks quit buying new trucks and expecting them to be quality! They don't make them like they used to

Must be nice to live somewhere where the frames don't rust to pieces in 10-15 years. This new brine salt solution they use here is nasty stuff.

you're right, it is very nice lol

The 99 has spent its fair amount of time in the salt due to trips to MN, MI, KS, NE, MS etc and it shows. I've kept the frame pretty clean but had to replace the floor pans and rockers this past summer. Ready for another 500,000 now

If I owed a 2017 Ford F-150 and had a flat on the side of the road …and I found out my factory lug wrench would not fit ovah the lug nuts….or I couldn’t get the lug nut out of the wrench….I think I would be so (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off …I’d put a match to it right there.

I think it was mostly on the F-150 with the lugnuts. I had this problem and used a flat screw driver and hammer to pry off the covers, then used a metric socket, can not remember the size. Also anti-seize on the hub is crucial.

Same with my 2015 Silveraydo. Great concept for a cast aluminimumum wheel!

with that Magnesium dash you don't even need a match

a little anti seize saves so much of that pounding , it has been an issue with aluminum rims for 30+ years as soon as we started seeing them

I shall get summa dat Pete.......goot idear..

you may also want to wire wheel or scotch-brite pad off the corrosion first then any where aluminum rim touches di-similar metal a little anti seize brushed on

I bet the lug nuts on that new electric f150 won't have this problem

The cure is to buy twenty sockets that fit, and drive them on……and leave them on! lol. Chrome lugnut covers to boot.

THAT is pure genius

That’s the kinda thinking that got us where we are in this country! lol

maybe a little less expensive https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2017,f-150,5.0l+v8,3436063,wheel,lug+nut,7676

you know it is sort of interesting we buy a new rifle and half the time the first thing we do is toss the factory scope mount and get a better one , if it came with a cheap scope toss that and get a good one , pull the sling swivels and put in 1 1/14 swivels and epoxy them in place
pull the action and glass bed it in the stock.

go through all the screws and add lock tite

clean it , then run barrel break in , then clean the copper


but on other products we just expect to turn the key and take it for oil changes every 5K

just by the nature of things we should expect that a significantly more complex tool might have some cheap parts and maintenance that should be replaced and done , but the manufacture likes to sell "maintenance free" I think that Maintenance free anything = more failure prone.

I guess you would hope that 60K for a truck would cover that but it doesn't seem too

sort of surprising there are not vehicle enthusiast sites that are constantly logging every issue and documenting the fix , maybe there are or maybe that many people have been convinced they shouldn't work on their vehicle

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1600 miles a year,,whats that like 30 miles a week,, 4 1/2 miles a day ,I walk further than that.LOL [/quote]


So what? Big deal, you walk 4 1/2 miles a day.

Wait, here's a thought. I drive 1000 miles then stay there. Then do that 69 times, until I buy another truck, of which I have 4.
1 179000 miles
2 139000 miles
3 62000. Miles
4 69000 miles
Also V twin bike 560 miles.
Get back in your hi-chair kid I got socks older than you.

This is what they look like aftah you punch them out of the socket. ...I really like Lees fix....just leave all the sockets on...lol

Lee.....your a smaaht fellah....I bet the customer gives me a tip....when he picks up the truck ,this afternooon !

That's a $1,000 upgrade if those are snap-on sockets.

5 are snap-on...and 1 Mac ...lol

That's to cool, are you really gonna do that? I think your joking.

950 then

Just one more reason I like buying stripped down work trucks. Steel wheels and old fashioned lug nuts.

Same with my 2007 Dodge Dakota.I got a flat one night on Adams Trail,in between Grand Marais and Munising in the middle of nowhere here in the U.P.,and my passenger and I took turns lying on our backs and kicking the tire for well over an hour before it came off.

X 2!

They are pre dented also.

Haha, Nessy, them ain’t all chrome, he will prolly complain! lol. Just go back here to see if we rectified the problem, looks like it was in good hands!

Lee.....found just the ticket ...a quick coat...and I think it will be just fine !

crank windows , rubber floor mats , bench sears , manual locks that is my truck

2013 F150 with tires rotated every 5k by Schwab. As far as I know they have never had to replace any lug nuts and they haven't mentioned any problems.

Had a flat tire today and I spent entirely too long trying to determine if the nuts were swelling. How does salt swell the nuts?

Wait a minute....3/8 drive mixed in with 1/2 drive?? Is that the lock feature? No good hood rat carries both. They don't steal tires much anymore, much easier to carry a battery sawzall and swipe the cat converter! Easier to carry too!!

.3/8 drive mixed in with 1/2 drive??

Redneck balancing.

I bet if you gathered up guys who would by a 1 ton dually with a diesel motor the minute Toyota rolled of the line it would look like a Trump train and nothing like a Biden rally.


Before I got the Toyota Tundra I have now I was a Ford man and I had to deal with steel spark plugs eating threads out of an aluminum head and another time raising the cab to deal with a turbo problem. Both times I sounded more like Teeter than I sounded like RIP or Lloyd.


My boy is on his 3rd Dodge in a little over 3 years. The first one cost him a tranny and rear end almost as soon as he bought it. The 2nd one was even worse but to its credit when he rolled it in middle of the night the airbags saved him and he didn't have a scratch.

Wait a minute....3/8 drive mixed in with 1/2 drive?? Is that the lock feature? No good hood rat carries both. They don't steal tires much anymore, much easier to carry a battery sawzall and swipe the cat converter! Easier to carry too!![/quote]
You have not been to New York city recently. LOL.

My friend had this problem on his Toyota Avalon. The wheels may have been aftermarket. It's an old high mileage car.

I remember Vogue wheels would have a steel bolt holding a plastic cover over the lug nuts (center cap). The steel bolt would corrode into the aluminum wheel. So we would smash the plastic center cap only to discover there were locking lug nuts underneath that. So we would have to remove the locking lug nuts, the key was never in the vehicle.