Gas prices < not a joke

I think maybe some more car pooling and over night stays at friends and family for those that drive a lot everyday. Also vehicles that get better gas mileage. A couple years back the wife and I made a lot of changes so that we could see each other more and not be zombies. Never did child care. We took shifts with the kids between our two jobs. It sucked and there was no quality of life and we never saw each other or slept. Got it figured out where she could quit her job. Best decision we ever made. Anywsy, one off our cuts/changes was me getting rid of my truck. I miss it for a lot of things but not for its gas bill. That alone has saved us tons of money and for the foreseeable future will continue to pay off as a good decision.

I'm sure we could all get rid of our trucks, car pool, or just stay home, but some of us want to live, not just survive. My God, how could a once great country get run into the ground so fast.

This should be a huge factor this year for the midterm elections. Need to clear house on everyone not just those up for reelection
Roy

My God, how could a once great country get run into the ground so fast.

Honda really hadn't put much a dent in the American car market until Jimmy Carter's gas issues with the Iranian deal. All of a sudden, people started checking out those old school Honda Civics that got 30+ miles a gallon. I suspect that if $4-5 gallon gas comes and stays for a while, high mph vehicles will be in vogue again and fewer pickups and big suv's tooling around. The problem is that we've already sort of burned that "quick fix" because we devalued the USD so much that a 30+ mph car won't gain people on the edge where fuel is a noticeable amount of their take home pay. If gas would go to $6-8 a gallon and stay there, then I think all bets are off for things staying together, some places becoming a lot more volatile than other lotions.

The greedy development goofs here want to put 300 apartment units across the "highway" (only about 50 mph) from our subdivision on the edge of bedroom town. Our subdivision are larger sized lots, about 2-3 houses per acre than what is typically found in "big city" nearby but the land across the road is not zoned single-family residence and the cropland they're converting went straight to "commercial/ multi-family". So, they're going to double the population out here by only adding a fifth of the current developed land. 300+ more cars coming onto the 2-lane "highway" from 2 driveways. Besides just the greater coin for the developers, what I think the city council/county leaders are angling for is to have Uncle Sugar pay some of the eventual widening of the highway to 4-lanes. I can see a deal being cut where reps of Uncle Sugar agree as long as half of those apartment units are used to house Prez Sniffy's line jumpers they flying all over the country. Lots of business leaders in "big city" would love to have more cheap immigrant labor. Swell...

Just paid $4.10 for premium thanks Joe.

Our diesel is up to $ 4.99, none of the ranchers around here can afford fertilizer this year

It is a real hardship on a lot of town people and ag people

Some ride a bike, walk or share rides. I have a truck that gets 15mpg I drive it on average 10,000 a year and use about 666 gal of gas. Given that the difference of $2 a gal vs $4 a gal is $1300 bucks a year. I doubt people are going to be on the street. I have a friend said he is going to by a newer care that gets 28mpg vs 22 mpg gotta laugh and he is going to finance it and pay higher price for insurance and plates. I have some money in energy stocks that pay some dividends and if prices go up I make up that difference. I dont have much sympathy either for woman driving big SUVS alone or taking a kid to school or a couple guys BSing about the price of gas at the station and one of them idling their truck in the parking lot.

elections have consequences...

Originally Posted by NonPCfed
Honda really hadn't put much a dent in the American car market until Jimmy Carter's gas issues with the Iranian deal. All of a sudden, people started checking out those old school Honda Civics that got 30+ miles a gallon. I suspect that if $4-5 gallon gas comes and stays for a while, high mph vehicles will be in vogue again and fewer pickups and big suv's tooling around. The problem is that we've already sort of burned that "quick fix" because we devalued the USD so much that a 30+ mph car won't gain people on the edge where fuel is a noticeable amount of their take home pay. If gas would go to $6-8 a gallon and stay there, then I think all bets are off for things staying together, some places becoming a lot more volatile than other lotions.

The greedy development goofs here want to put 300 apartment units across the "highway" (only about 50 mph) from our subdivision on the edge of bedroom town. Our subdivision are larger sized lots, about 2-3 houses per acre than what is typically found in "big city" nearby but the land across the road is not zoned single-family residence and the cropland they're converting went straight to "commercial/ multi-family". So, they're going to double the population out here by only adding a fifth of the current developed land. 300+ more cars coming onto the 2-lane "highway" from 2 driveways. Besides just the greater coin for the developers, what I think the city council/county leaders are angling for is to have Uncle Sugar pay some of the eventual widening of the highway to 4-lanes. I can see a deal being cut where reps of Uncle Sugar agree as long as half of those apartment units are used to house Prez Sniffy's line jumpers they flying all over the country. Lots of business leaders in "big city" would love to have more cheap immigrant labor. Swell...


All them califiornians noems bringin in. I bet Pierre isnt getting bombarded….

I agree Dirt the work in the oil patch is picking up in Wy. in times of need for oil we still have ours which strategically is a good situation oil and money in the bank. As far as driving 75 thousand miles a year Im sure your in business sneaky pass on the price to your customers. Seems to me so many on this site have vary little working knowledge of how the oil industry works. You blame it all on the XL pipeline leg that Biden stopped. If he had not stopped it, it would still not be in operation yet today. There are so many fields right now that have been off line because of the low prices we experienced because of over production the past few years. They were not making any money and they stopped producing. Just like the fur market, no money in fur production not as many are out trapping. Yeah we have the few that trap for fun at a loss. Well the oil companies dont produce oil for fun but for profit! No money no domestic oil, they filled the contracts and that was it shut off the taps. The oil companies are also great at manipulating the price and have ways of getting the most for there efforts and a lot are not legal and they have no allegiance to America, its called capitalism.

So the administration is supposed to mandate the oil companies to drill or subsidies them even more than what they are now. Maybe the Dems should just pass out free gas cards? and by our fur? Its called business and capitalism. The middle east and Russian oil production got on line because our American companies put them in business with our knowledge and technology the oil companies made a fast buck and now we are hooked on there oil because they can produce it cheaper.

With gas at $5 or better oil use will go down, people will stay home, will be hard enough to fill the tank to go to work. Biden came out and said he would end fossil fuels and he's trying to do just that, for a guy that lies at every turn at least he told the truth on that, to bad liberals didn't listen.

You blame it all on the XL pipeline leg that Biden stopped. If he had not stopped it, it would still not be in operation yet today.

So the administration is supposed to mandate the oil companies to drill or subsidies them even more than what they are now. Maybe the Dems should just pass out free gas cards? and by our fur? Its called business and capitalism.

Walleye so when is it ok in America to put a pipeline across another's land if they dont want it be
Dem. or Rep. Native Americans didn't want the pipeline to cross the little bit of land they are on. A lot of ranchers and the State of Neb. objected to it. Why not drill and mine the state of MN for cheaper minerals and oil. as a matter of fact dump the waste into the 10,000 lakes you have it would even be cheaper to produce products. Lets net all those lakes so we can have cheap fish fries. Im not against extraction of minerals, coal or oil production but not at the cost of taking someone's land or polluting it for cheaper gas. I know how oil companies and mining companies avoid costs taking short cuts and leaving towns with a mess. We have a nuclear power plant that is going to be built in Wy not sure I like that but its coming, they figure keep it in wide open spaces so when there is a mishap it wont kill hundreds of thousands of people. We have fracking waste coming into wells in Wy because of cheap oil not a real happy situation when your water is no longer safe to drink. Im not a hypocrite we need energy but I cherish the state I live in, clean water, air and the wildlife.

It is only capitalism when the U.S. prevents Russian natural gas lines being built by the private sector in Europe.

Walleye so when is it ok in America to put a pipeline across another's land if they dont want it be
Dem. or Rep. Native Americans didn't want the pipeline to cross the little bit of land they are on. A lot of ranchers and the State of Neb. objected to it. Why not drill and mine the state of MN for cheaper minerals and oil. as a matter of fact dump the waste into the 10,000 lakes you have it would even be cheaper to produce products. Lets net all those lakes so we can have cheap fish fries. Im not against extraction of minerals, coal or oil production but not at the cost of taking someone's land or polluting it for cheaper gas. I know how oil companies and mining companies avoid costs taking short cuts and leaving towns with a mess. We have a nuclear power plant that is going to be built in Wy not sure I like that but its coming, they figure keep it in wide open spaces so when there is a mishap it wont kill hundreds of thousands of people. We have fracking waste coming into wells in Wy because of cheap oil not a real happy situation when your water is no longer safe to drink. Im not a hypocrite we need energy but I cherish the state I live in, clean water, air and the wildlife.

Walleye so when is it ok in America to put a pipeline across another's land if they dont want it be
Dem. or Rep. Native Americans didn't want the pipeline to cross the little bit of land they are on. A lot of ranchers and the State of Neb. objected to it. Why not drill and mine the state of MN for cheaper minerals and oil. as a matter of fact dump the waste into the 10,000 lakes you have it would even be cheaper to produce products. Lets net all those lakes so we can have cheap fish fries. Im not against extraction of minerals, coal or oil production but not at the cost of taking someone's land or polluting it for cheaper gas. I know how oil companies and mining companies avoid costs taking short cuts and leaving towns with a mess. We have a nuclear power plant that is going to be built in Wy not sure I like that but its coming, they figure keep it in wide open spaces so when there is a mishap it wont kill hundreds of thousands of people. We have fracking waste coming into wells in Wy because of cheap oil not a real happy situation when your water is no longer safe to drink. Im not a hypocrite we need energy but I cherish the state I live in, clean water, air and the wildlife.

That's called common sense.

Nice job using a disconnected environmental rant to completely avoid my questions.

We just completed the repacement of Enbridge line three in 2021, with a new more efficient, and safer pipeline across MN. Native Americans had concerns so they altered the alingment to avoid tribal lands. They used a very thorough environmental review process and modern methods of crossing sensative areas like stream crossings, wetlands, with directional boring. No body was dumping waste into any lakes and the only ones netting any lakes for cheap fish fries were the native americans. Not that any of this really matters to you because it was just a rant to avoid legitamate questions about flawed Biden administration policies.

Im not agreeing with Biden administration on green energy though it will be part of the makeup of energy consumption. The point Im trying to make is Biden or anyone person is responsible for the increase in fuel prices.

Increase in transportation cost will raise the cost of all goods due that cost being a pass through cost to consumers. Consumers having less money left buy less leads to less demand for products. Less demand for products = producesr cut back= lay offs. Layoffs = even less money to be spent compounding the problem.

We are not only going to see a recession but likely a full blown depression. That's without adding in the grain shortage and rising imput cost to farm adding to food cost pointed out in other thread's.

US Gas Prices have gone up 15% since the Ukraine was invaded.
This is the rare case where One person is responsible.

We have become a gimme society; gimme high wages and low prices on the stuff I want. And I want it Now.

Those that can should switch over to public transportation, ie: Bus, Train, maybe ride a bike, all the little things you can do to survive.

Likely be $4.49 by Sunday, next weekend , 4.99, thanks binden, just like tax returns, total scre job, take gasoline along when get returns figgure, take gasoline along for everything u pay on , my natural gas for heat is way up

Yep -- another fine for the city pukes- lets punish those rural hillbillies.