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Posted By: martyd

Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 03:45 PM

After watching Ukraine citizens step up to the plate and help their military fight I have a question. Would American politicians Surrender our country if we were in a war and started to take on heavy casualties and not even ask are citizens to take up arms and help our military fight for are way of life and country ? I am thinking that our politicians would surrender so they could be part of the new replacement country / Government. They Would sale us American citizens out in a heart beat to save themselves. MD
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 03:52 PM

You would have a better chance at finding bigfoot than a politician if there was a war on our soil.
Posted By: H2ORat

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 03:55 PM

Our government wouldn't even think twice about it if there was any benefit in it for them. They would probably even help to round us heathens up.
Posted By: Posco

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 03:57 PM

It seems to me like they're surrendering it already.
Posted By: Squash

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Posco
It seems to me like they're surrendering it already.


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Posted By: Kre

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 04:00 PM

crazy crazy crazy crazy
Posted By: Gary Benson

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 04:15 PM

Didn't some foreign leader once say America would be taken over without a fight?
It would probably be China as things stand now.
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 04:16 PM

Already surrendering it to anyone with the ability to waltz over the southern border, non hostile takeover is already happening.
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 05:12 PM

No war is coming to the US anytime in the near future. There are easier ways to control a country than war. Our citizens are dependent on foreign products, our country is living on debit and have lost a huge amount of our industry.
As we weaken as a country we will fall under the control of China through corrupt politicians and greedy business leaders and as Americans start feeling the effects of all this we will play the victim as we've been taught how to do and forfeit our freedoms to the government in hope of opportunities. The painting has been on the wall for awhile and is becoming clearer everyday. The ship has already sailed. America has already dug her hole to deep and the American people are to soft to suffer through what it would take to even have a chance to right the ship. In the fruits of our spoils we learned the victim mentality instead of the overcoming mentality that previous generation had.
Posted By: Flicker Shad

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by martyd
After watching Ukraine citizens step up to the plate and help their military fight I have a question. Would American politicians Surrender our country if we were in a war and started to take on heavy casualties and not even ask are citizens to take up arms and help our military fight for are way of life and country ? I am thinking that our politicians would surrender so they could be part of the new replacement country / Government. They Would sale us American citizens out in a heart beat to save themselves. MD

Where have you been? We were sold years ago. NWO is coming. Buckle up.
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 05:33 PM

China can't even keep the lights on right now. Their economy depends on us buying their goods just as much as we depend on them producing those goods.

Our "allies" in Europe who love gun control, green energy, "free" healthcare, social justice, etc... worry me more than China or Russia. And we have a whole bushel of politicians who praise their policies and want us to be more like them... A decent portion of the people in the US are of the same mind.

I definitely believe there are politicians who would sell us out in a second to get a seat at the table for themselves.

Mike
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
China can't even keep the lights on right now. Their economy depends on us buying their goods just as much as we depend on them producing those goods.

Our "allies" in Europe who love gun control, green energy, "free" healthcare, social justice, etc... worry me more than China or Russia. And we have a whole bushel of politicians who praise their policies and want us to be more like them... A decent portion of the people in the US are of the same mind.

I definitely believe there are politicians who would sell us out in a second to get a seat at the table for themselves.

Mike


Keep in mind our trade deficit last year was almost $860 billion. How long can your house keep going spending more than it makes each year? 860 billion in wealth lost just last year and climbing each year.
Posted By: maintenanceguy

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 05:48 PM

Would our government surrender us? Depends on what's in it for them. All the enemy needs to do is offer our leaders something better than what they have now.
Posted By: Okie Farmer

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 05:56 PM

Are any of the current leadership working for us now?
Posted By: Posco

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
I definitely believe there are politicians who would sell us out in a second to get a seat at the table for themselves.

Mike


Show me a politician who wants to be constrained. Most of them crave power and they've managed to insulate themselves from the will of the people. They vote themselves pay raises and pretend they can't hear the calls for term limits. The further removed they are from the control of the people, the better for them. I'm reluctant to call them elites, it's rarely our best and brightest who wind up in government. There aren't enough Mr. Smiths going to Washington.
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
China can't even keep the lights on right now. Their economy depends on us buying their goods just as much as we depend on them producing those goods.

Our "allies" in Europe who love gun control, green energy, "free" healthcare, social justice, etc... worry me more than China or Russia. And we have a whole bushel of politicians who praise their policies and want us to be more like them... A decent portion of the people in the US are of the same mind.

I definitely believe there are politicians who would sell us out in a second to get a seat at the table for themselves.

Mike


Keep in mind our trade deficit last year was almost $860 billion. How long can your house keep going spending more than it makes each year? 860 billion in wealth lost just last year and climbing each year.


Are you confusing trade deficit with national debt? Trade deficit means we are buying more of their stuff than they are buying of ours... With China we are buying more Walmart goods and iPhones than they are buying wheat and corn. We may have a trade deficit with China, but we may offset that with a trade surplus with other countries.

Borrowing to spend more than we have worries me more than unequal amounts of goods being exchanged in the market. I agree we should build more stuff here and export more than we import. But trade numbers with one country don't tell the whole story.

Mike
Posted By: Yes sir

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:06 PM

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Our over all trade deficit. How much we sell to other countries compared to how much the rest of the world buys from us. I don't think I'm confused but ive been wrong before
Posted By: Posco

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:09 PM

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Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
I definitely believe there are politicians who would sell us out in a second to get a seat at the table for themselves.

Mike


Show me a politician who wants to be constrained. Most of them crave power and they've managed to insulate themselves from the will of the people. They vote themselves pay raises and pretend they can't hear the calls for term limits. The further removed they are from the control of the people, the better for them. I'm reluctant to call them elites, it's rarely our best and brightest who wind up in government. There aren't enough Mr. Smiths going to Washington.


In the mafia you pretty much get to do what you want as long as the guy(s) above you get their "tribute." People like Pelosi would sell out in a second to the new "boss" and keep right on doing what they're doing. The folks at the tip top always delegate responsibility out to underlings... Kings had earls, dukes, barons, counts, governors, viceroys, etc... And they all had to collect taxes from the peasants to pay the king his fair share.

Names, borders, and policy would change. But the scumbags would be the same ones that have always done what they do.

Mike
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Yes sir
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Our over all trade deficit. How much we sell to other countries compared to how much the rest of the world buys from us. I don't think I'm confused but ive been wrong before


Yes, there is a deficit in trade. We send billions of our dollars to China for the goods they produce... However, the bigger issue is that the federal government spends more than they collect in taxes... And they borrow billions from China to fund that... And that's money the Chinese got from us.

First thing is to quit letting government spend more than they collect in tax revenue... Then quit strangling business with overregulation so they can produce more goods here... Then the inequity in import/export should take care of itself.

Mike
Posted By: adam m

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Flicker Shad
Originally Posted by martyd
After watching Ukraine citizens step up to the plate and help their military fight I have a question. Would American politicians Surrender our country if we were in a war and started to take on heavy casualties and not even ask are citizens to take up arms and help our military fight for are way of life and country ? I am thinking that our politicians would surrender so they could be part of the new replacement country / Government. They Would sale us American citizens out in a heart beat to save themselves. MD

Where have you been? We were sold years ago. NWO is coming. Buckle up.

Biden said this week the NWO is here and we are or a leader for the nwo.
Posted By: KOSOI

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Yes sir
No war is coming to the US anytime in the near future. There are easier ways to control a country than war. Our citizens are dependent on foreign products, our country is living on debit and have lost a huge amount of our industry.
As we weaken as a country we will fall under the control of China through corrupt politicians and greedy business leaders and as Americans start feeling the effects of all this we will play the victim as we've been taught how to do and forfeit our freedoms to the government in hope of opportunities. The painting has been on the wall for awhile and is becoming clearer everyday. The ship has already sailed. America has already dug her hole to deep and the American people are to soft to suffer through what it would take to even have a chance to right the ship. In the fruits of our spoils we learned the victim mentality instead of the overcoming mentality that previous generation had.

I'm sorry. I don't know your name. In Russia it is customary to address a person by his or her name.
You understand the situation perfectly correctly, no foreign wars against the U.S. are foreseen. but as I see the situation...
What is going on in your country right now is the beginning of a split of several parties, liberals and democrats, left and right. I think you know what I am talking about.
There's a saying in Russia, "Fish rots from the head.
This is just the beginning of that process.
Posted By: Kre

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Posco
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Dude...are you seriously using a Jeffrey Dahmer meme to make your point?! LOL!
Posted By: Posco

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Kre
Dude...are you seriously using a Jeffrey Dahmer meme to make your point?! LOL!

Kudos to you for your facial recognition.
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Kre
Originally Posted by Posco
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Dude...are you seriously using a Jeffrey Dahmer meme to make your point?! LOL!


Hey, Dahmer might think Posco has great taste. wink

Mike
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Kre
Originally Posted by Posco
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Dude...are you seriously using a Jeffrey Dahmer meme to make your point?! LOL!

Liberals are not particularly particular about their heros, dont'ja know.
Posted By: seniortrap

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 06:52 PM

If the politicians gave in after a takeover, They should be the first to be moved out. By whatever means possible.
Posted By: upstateNY

Re: Would Government Surrender America - 03/23/22 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Diggerman
You would have a better chance at finding bigfoot than a politician if there was a war on our soil.

Yup..theyd all be scrambling to get on Stair Force One and skeedattle.
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