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Leasing land for Solar farms

Posted By: Canvasback2

Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 05:41 PM

Any idea how much a landowner can make, by leasing 10 acres of land to build a Solar Farm on his property ? Besides, the yearly payment for the lease, do they also get free Electric from the Solar Farm ?
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 06:08 PM

Local farmer here leases 627 acres for a solar farm

They pay him $500 per year per acre. No free electricity.

That is $313,000 per year for the next 20 or 30 years

For a smaller farm like 10 acres the yearly rate per acre should be higher
Posted By: cathryn

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 06:14 PM

For 313.000.00 he can afford to pay his electric bill.lol
Posted By: Donnersurvivor

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by coondagger2
Local farmer here leases 627 acres for a solar farm

They pay him $500 per year per acre. No free electricity.

That is $313,000 per year for the next 20 or 30 years

For a smaller farm like 10 acres the yearly rate per acre should be higher


Hard to understand why they wouldn't just buy property if they are paying that much for rent.
Posted By: white17

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by coondagger2
Local farmer here leases 627 acres for a solar farm

They pay him $500 per year per acre. No free electricity.

That is $313,000 per year for the next 20 or 30 years

For a smaller farm like 10 acres the yearly rate per acre should be higher


Hard to understand why they wouldn't just buy property if they are paying that much for rent.


My guess is they pay the rent from current revenues and don't want to tie up capital in illiquid investments like land. Also, they are then on the hook for property taxes that they can't control
Posted By: mike mason

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 06:48 PM

Most of the solar projects are built and then sold to investors.
Posted By: SJA

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 07:06 PM

$800. per acre here.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by coondagger2
Local farmer here leases 627 acres for a solar farm

They pay him $500 per year per acre. No free electricity.

That is $313,000 per year for the next 20 or 30 years

For a smaller farm like 10 acres the yearly rate per acre should be higher


Hard to understand why they wouldn't just buy property if they are paying that much for rent.

my suspicion is they leave you with the mess when the lease is up isn't that what happens with the wind turbines you can't just pop thousands of yards of concrete out of the ground.
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 07:28 PM

No sir, the farm has to be restored to its previous conditions once the lease is up. It's in the contract

I don't know how you instantly restore 600 acres of mature white and red oak hardwoods, but that's what's in the contract
Posted By: EdP

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 07:32 PM

I don't see 600 acres of mature hardwoods as what is normally considered "farm ground". Any farmer in that situation needs to take the timber off prior to the lease term starting.
Posted By: Foxpaw

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 07:34 PM

They bought a few thousand acres here for a huge price. They won't buy it here without the mineral rights, so they are not bothered with wells or subsidence in the future.
Posted By: TC1

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 07:49 PM

That’s all of our taxes subsidizing this btw fellas, just so ya know. No different than wind farms here, without out taxes to prop them up they would all fold.
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by EdP
I don't see 600 acres of mature hardwoods as what is normally considered "farm ground". Any farmer in that situation needs to take the timber off prior to the lease term starting.

Hi Ed, where did I say this farmer considered this "farm ground" ?

Obviously the timber was taken off but I'm not sure who received that paycheck
Posted By: gcs

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 08:19 PM

I was approached to use 20 acres for a solar farm, area to be returned as it was in the contract, property tax for the land used was payed by the leasor and a yearly increase was built into the contract.I forget now the rental fees but it was very lucrative, however, the property wasn't close enough to a transfer station, or whatever it's called.
After the initial preliminary rent agreement, the engineers figure if it's feasible. Mine wasn't. ..to bad cause it would have been about a million dollars for the length of the lease.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by coondagger2
No sir, the farm has to be restored to its previous conditions once the lease is up. It's in the contract

I don't know how you instantly restore 600 acres of mature white and red oak hardwoods, but that's what's in the contract



does it say previous condition or farmable condition

bust up the base that sticks up above the ground put 4 feet of dirt over it and leave a massive chuck of concrete underneath

there is of course breach of contract , what is the penalty

offer a bond at installation for removal and sure they farmer can have the bond but the liability likely ends there

we see all the time how companies work to limit their liability it's like swing set manufacturers go under every 8-10 years the company that builds sells to investors the product and not the liability the instialtion company dies when the CEO retires and a VP of the old company starts a new company

when ever something doesn't seem to make sense there is a reason it is being done the way it is


i could be completely wrong but I do not see them pulling thousands of yards of concrete and rebar out
Posted By: trapdog1

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 08:57 PM

Hey Blaine County: What say you about this? I realize this may not be your area of expertise, but a lawyer's take would be interesting.
Posted By: trapperkeck

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 09:27 PM

Insolvency/bankruptcy would be the biggest concern. Landowner is stuck if the leasor becomes judgement proof.
Posted By: T-Rex

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/19/22 11:41 PM

Things may be a bit different today, but;

Back when Trump decided that everybody should get a tax cut, at the expense of me not being able to deduct all of my property taxes; I looked into renting out 10 acres for wind or solar.

To the relief of my neighbors, it could not be justified. I don't remember the numbers, but, it was not nearly enough to offset my taxes.
Posted By: Blaine County

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/20/22 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by trapdog1
Hey Blaine County: What say you about this? I realize this may not be your area of expertise, but a lawyer's take would be interesting.


I represent energy companies, mostly oil and gas but some renewable, almost exclusively. We're seeing some solar but so far it is mostly wind. I generally know the ballpark rates for wind, but unfortunately am not up on current solar rates. We're also seeing some battery facilities coming to Oklahoma.

As for reclamation, insolvency, taxes, etc., read your lease closely and get a lawyer in your state who actually knows what he/she is doing. It is very state specific. It's also industry specific. And, if you're in oil and gas country--the renewable leases are very, very different than oil and gas leases.

If it was my client, I would say no way on free electricity. Too much liability. I defended a fair number of "house gas" cases back in the day. Some old oil and gas leases gave free gas to the lessor--who often blew up a barn or a house. One Plaintiff I recall used a garden hose to get gas to the house....
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/20/22 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by coondagger2
Local farmer here leases 627 acres for a solar farm

They pay him $500 per year per acre. No free electricity.

That is $313,000 per year for the next 20 or 30 years

For a smaller farm like 10 acres the yearly rate per acre should be higher


At 313 thou a year just in rent, does the solar company actually make money? How many megawatts of power can an acre of solar panels produce per year in N.C.? In Alaska a watt of panel rating will produce 1 kWh of power per year. I would assume that total yearly sunlight is similar regardless of where on the planet you are with accounting for average yearly weather conditions.
Posted By: EdP

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/20/22 11:42 AM

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Hi Ed, where did I say this farmer considered this "farm ground" ?


You didn't and I didn't intend to suggest that you did. My point was following on the idea of how do you restore mature hardwoods, which obviously you can't, so they need to be gone first and the $ in the property owner's pocket.
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/20/22 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by martentrapper
At 313 thou a year just in rent, does the solar company actually make money? How many megawatts of power can an acre of solar panels produce per year in N.C.? In Alaska a watt of panel rating will produce 1 kWh of power per year. I would assume that total yearly sunlight is similar regardless of where on the planet you are with accounting for average yearly weather conditions.


From what I can find online it is a 75 mW facility or 75,000 kwh. I assume this is for all 627 acres per year

Originally Posted by EdP
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Hi Ed, where did I say this farmer considered this "farm ground" ?


You didn't and I didn't intend to suggest that you did. My point was following on the idea of how do you restore mature hardwoods, which obviously you can't, so they need to be gone first and the $ in the property owner's pocket.

I agree. He could have maximized his profit by selling the timber before the lease. I'm not sure if he did or not
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Leasing land for Solar farms - 05/20/22 04:11 PM

What is a kWh of electricity worth there in NC? Green energy providers here in Alaska usually make contracts for a set price per kWh.
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