14 dead @ school shooting.

Fourteen students and a teacher are dead after a shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, according to Gov. Greg Abbott.

The 18-year-old suspect, a student at Uvalde High School, is also dead, he said.

"He shot and killed horrifically and incomprehensibly 14 students and killed a teacher," Abbott said during an unrelated press briefing.

Supposedly killed his grandmother before going to the school.

Horrible news, it almost seems like an everyday occurrence now days.

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What a horrendous tragedy. Prayers for all effected by this tragedy. If this keeps up we may see australia/new zeland style gun confiscation laws becoming popular here.

What kind of - shoots Elemetary kids? Prayers for the families, tragic loss

Screaming for gun control will ensue shortly.

Buy your ammo/components while U can.

Most likely one on psychotropic drugs of some sort. Probably prescribed.

Prayers sent for families. Terrible…………

First, God bless those families and friends of the victims, another senseless tragedy.

Second, Is it just me or does it seem we have 10 to 1 of these type shootings when a certian political party holds the presidency?

Third, With the way the media gives these school shootings a crazy amount of coverage, continually repeating the shooters name, going over what is known of their lives, their motives, etc....At what point is the media deemed culpable by completing the notoriety the shooter craves?

My thoughts exactly. Stop giving these guys their 15 minutes of fame.

Eighteen year old, something is wrong with young adults today for sure. Sorry for the families for sure

I sure wish the news would get something right for change. This was an alert I just got from AP. ABC news told a different story.

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Two people were dead after a shooting at a Texas elementary school on Tuesday, and more than two dozen children were injured, hospital officials said. Police have said the suspected shooter is in custody.

Bottom line is that we no longer have a moral nation under God.....Personally, I believe this type of stuff is going to escalate.
The loss of the nuclear family is one of the main issues today but there are many, many more.

Again, I pray for those effected by this terrible act.

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The culture of hate promoters in this country score again. My condolences and thoughts are with the victims of this horrendous crime and their families.

Instead of sending 40 billion to Ukraine we should be using that money to address the mental health crisis in this country. Sadly it is the lunatics in charge of the Washington Asylum.

My question is: After all of this becoming more and more common, why were there no metal detectors at entrances, why are many people against "resource officers" being in schools, why are doors not locked from unauthorized entry, and the list can go on.

If the goal is gun control why obstruct the best tool to attain it. I believe power and greed is that bad in Washington.

If the gov wants total gun control, they could do it in a much swifter manner then having to allow all the build up.

Let’s see how fast Biden goes to Texas ?

Soon. He won't pass up an opportunity to pander.

he might want to take a "handful" of extra security with him -- or keep to the big cities.

100% on your second point.

Prayers for those kids, the teacher and their families.

Washington has no problem with someone else’s kids being killed. They’ve just lowered the age that it’s acceptable to reach their goal. If that wasn’t true they’d stop promoting hate.

The failure to protect children in schools borders on criminal. The goal is to educate children but a dead child cannot learn anything, so protecting them is the first priority. It is so easy to establish access control. Double doors at the front entrance like every Lowes and Wamart has. Once all the kids are inside the inner set of front doors are locked and all other exterior doors are locked. If a person enters the outer front doors they are locked behind the person until the person is either let in or let back out, after establishing their purpose for the visit. So simple, so easy, so cheap. It wouldn't solve every issue but would have stopped Sandy Hook, Stoneman Douglass, and the attack today.

I once went to a Ky State Police station to get help for a flat tire on my trailer. I couldn't get in to see anyone because they had access control FOR THEIR PROTECTION. They did communicate via intercom and get me help but I wasn't getting in.

After Stoneman Douglass "A commission appointed by then-Governor Scott to investigate the shooting condemned the police inaction and urged school districts across the state to adopt greater measures of security." Every school across the country should have access control security measures in place. Instead it is obvious that nothing is being done. Parents need to go to school board meetings and demand action. If they don't get action they should replace the board members. Unless parents take action it is obvious once again that the schools will not, and more kids will die at the hands or murderers.

I remember when I was a kid some nut bar shooting students from a tower somewhere in Texas.
May God rest their immortal souls.

Sandy Hook was locked. The perp shot himself into the school by shooting out wire mesh glass panels next to the doors.
I've been inside Sandy Hook school a couple of years before the incident. I had a gig there for some ADC work. I was escorted the whole time I was there , mostly to see where the problem was located , not for fear of safety.

Wire mesh embedded glass is good , same with locked doors , it slows down an assault a bit. What is really needed is an armed response which is what they have now , police officers in all of Newtown , CT schools.

My wife works at a school here and certain and several teachers and staff have been trained and they carry concealed through the year. I can't believe Texas doesn't have something like this. It's a sad situation for sure, and I pray for those families, with kids in public schools I worry about this all the time. But knowing doors stay locked and trained staff ease's that worry a bit.

Because a schools' "staff" is "trained" and have a CDW permit, that is a slippery slope. First, unless AUTHORIZED as a LEO, they are nothing more than a civilian allowed to carry. The ramifications can be devastating. We see LEOs being charged every day for doing, or omitting to do, what THEY were TRAINED to do. It's that crisis scenario hesitation that can get a person injured or killed.

All the pre-programmed "sleepers" are going off to ratchet up the fear porn. Right on time to try to change the 2022 elections...

When I owned my roofing business I did work for several local school systems. They had the doors locked and they had intercoms that would allow you to talk to someone about the purpose of my visit. That all sounds good but as soon as I told them I was there to look at their roof problem and see the custodian, they let me in. They never verified if I was legit or not. Walk right in and wait for the custodian. But if I was a nut job their security would have done them no good.

Prayers for the families.

As soon as they pre pick the audience, set the stage, line up the cast, get cameras in place....I hated to type that, not sure I'm that far off anymore. So sad.

I guess Sniffy is going to speak tonight. His message will be GUN CONTROL. That's it. Even though there is host of reasons this kind of evil takes place, no other options will be discussed.

Another reason to home school kids these days. I'm with Salem and EdP, The schools should have instituted much better protocol, but most small town schools tend to think, "it won't happen here". The safety protocols need to be mandated by the state, and followed to the letter!

Something that everyone should be able to agree upon.

I hope our nation can stop this type of behavior before our 2A rights are taken away. We are getting nails in our coffins every month, it seems. I do not have a solution, but I believe the problem comes to school from the home.

Glad my kids are grown. Glad I am too. I went to the same public school for 12 years as a kid in the 50s and 60s. This type of behavior wasn't even dreamed of. We didn't have gangs and rarely had a fistfight. I never once took my knife out of my pocket in anger or my shotgun or .22 rifle out of the trunk of my car. Never in my 27 years in the military did I have the desire to shoot someone in anger, though we were trained to do just that.

Why are our youth so different 60 years later? Is it drugs and/or video games? Parents, or lack of parents? As a child after WWII, we all hated the Japanese and Germans, but I had never seen or met one in my little town. They were no different than cowboys or Indians. Didn't know any of them either, but I grew up with a cap gun, a BB gun, then rifles and shotguns. Heck, we ate what we shot.

My wife and I go to quite a few schools to teach envirothon classes.we must pass a back ground .the class teacher will alert the office we are coming .All doors are locked and we must identify our selves before we are let in .

People have too much hate.
You can see it everywhere on social media.
Someone posts something that someone doesnt agree with the name calling starts.
nobody has any guts today-world is full of snowflakes that get triggered at the drop of a hat..
it is a symptom of the ME ME ME generation thought process.

Just watch the nutbar snowflakes that get triggered ove this post.

Staff is always there and all over the school. Armed staff would be a huge deterrent to the coward killers. The cowards pick on the defenseless. If they knew there are armed staff eager to shoot them right between the eyes they won’t go there. I’d take my chances with a jury of my peers if it came to that.

You may want to rethink being tried by a jury of "your peers" in today's world.

Better to be judged by12
Than carried by 6

Refer to my last post.

Your opinion means nothing when people are in harm's way.
Maybe you should grow a pair.

I'm sure you don't understand all you think you know . . . have a good evening :-)

Just changed it to 18 children and 1 adult…

I’m sure drasselt knows his peers better than you do SJA.

Many young adults have lost hope in the system. They don't see things ever getting better so they just want the suffering to end.

Sad day.

It's good to hear that there are schools that took action and have safety protocals. Parents need to make sure their children's schools are included in those that have.

If you go and look at what is trending on Twitter right now, the problem with these kids today becomes evident. Within moments after the shooting broke the news, these are some of the things that are trending: Shut up. Go to H.... Screw you. Screw your thoughts and prayers. Jesus Christ (and not in a good way), YOUR God to name a few. These kids parents don't know how to react to anything bad without resulting to violence and hatred (although I sure hate to agree with Boco, lol). If the adults have zero coping skills, how can their kids be expected to? Adults used to raise children. Now children raise themselves, and far too often have to also babysit their parents. Like this kid. Killed his grandmother. Where's Mom and Dad?

Maybe I am misunderstanding you but it sure sounds like you're saying someone should refrain from stopping a school shooter from killing little kids because they could be charged?

Why. If your being carried by 6, you won't even know it.

"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police. and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." LtCol Jeff Cooper

when the news is shooter stopped by armed citizen or off duty officer or something like that before they hardly even get started these events get fewer

when the news is one event after another and no one is stopping them the events get greater

when the news makes sure not to report about armed citizens or police stopping the shooter quickly beyond that 24 hour news cycle but spends weeks covering events not stopped by a citizen or police , well it is just disgusting.

All I inferred was to think before you act or react and be WILLING and READY to ACCEPT any consequences for your actions . . . nothing more.

I would hope most people wouldn't have to think more than a split second before doing the right thing. But with this world we live in....

Boco, I agree 100% with you. Hatred is out of control and so unnecessary. People no longer simply disagree, they now hate people with another opinions. This is a recent problem, and I hate to say it, but I think the
Trump defeat threw fuel on the fire.

We never before had a national hate policy, but we seem to now. Seems that everything that goes wrong is a political mistake. Supply and demand are no longer an excuse for pricing.

The schmoe blaming guns again and again ......

Boco is right. You see it on this site. You see it on this thread.

Protecting the 2A is my number one issue. I am tired of the nuts, idiots and extremists in this country ruining it for the rest of us.

Isn't "nutbar snowflakes" name calling?

It's not hateful for me to call a nut a nut.

I first noticed the hate when Trump became president and the snowflakes trolled every thread.

Again as always . . . in some countries, they cut your hand off for stealing . . . here, if you commit an unjustified homicide and throw down your weapon, raise your hands and "surrender", you get a court date and endless appeals and all the "benefits of doubt" . . . hummm . . . same hand that pulled the trigger? . . . what's wrong with this picture??? . . . I'm done.

This is exactly what I was thinking when I heard about this tragedy.

Boco nailed it too.

My heart aches for those kids and what they went through. Praying

Looks like the freak was looking for attention in his az book posts

Instead of getting his az beat and whipped into shape , he/she was prolly encouraged to act out

A product of libtardism

Where did your post go savell ?

... I deleted the original post ... looks like it’s fake news now

Satan is at loose in the world and he is coming for you. Sowing chaos he can.

It's impossible to comprehend that kind of evil.

I loathe politicians and the tactics they use to promote themselves and their agendas. Anyone can call it what they want. I won’t be making an apology.

Agreed.

I am afraid we are going to see a lot of copy cat shootings now and in the future. The anti gun crowd is going to be all over us pro gun people. My girlfriends daughter made a big point to tell me about the shooting tonight.
All Her daughter was trying to do is bait me into a big knock down fight in front of her mother. I just said it was a sad situation and it was too bad some one did not have a gun to shoot the mentally disturbed guy. My Girl Friends Daughter and whole family is anti gun and huge liberals. They are scared to death of a gun. If you show any of the family a gun they almost faint. Their anti gun and liberal Politics has always forced a bad Riff between the girlfriend and I. Girl Freind is liberal too. I am really thinking that we might not be compatible because of this issue. It’s going to be interesting see how my girl friends proceeds with me in the next few weeks with this issue. Girl Freind knows I am very very pro gun and knows I will not change my position and I know girlfriend and her family will not change their position. Maybe we just don’t have enough in common on this important issue. MD

There has always been and always will be mentally ill among us. Evil doers if you will. IMO a big problem is pandering to them. It hasn't been that many years ago they were put in state hospitals. Not for a 48 hour observation either, they became long term, often permanent, residents. Those hospitals were in reality a community. They had dairies, raised gardens, raised hogs cattle and chickens. Even had butchering facilities. Everyone capable had a job. Some people got to a place where they could be released. Most do not. We had drunks sleeping under bridges etc but nobody walking around talking to voices only they can hear. It needs to come back. Nobody chooses mental illness. When they are hospitalized its better for them and the public.

martyd, life is to short to fight fuss and argue. I hope you find some common ground

I'm with you , just think if someone nearby had a gun on them and was able to empty it in the face of that pos

That would be great but in the real world that rarely if ever happens.

I agree with you 100% on your position here Marty.

X3

Danny Clifton. Your right. Girlfriend and I have been together 7 years. Do not live together. We are old (63) will never get married. But politics really came between us during the last presidential election and it has never really been the same. I feel the country has lost its moral compass on every issue. Its getting to the point that my Girlfriend and I do not agree on any issue and that is sad. Cannot have a conversation on any subject because we are opposite. It is very bad we’re you have to be guarded after you say how was your day after you say hello.
I am sad because I know what would be best for both us. MD

You may be a good example of ^that.

Agree Boco , agree

No way in hades I would have any personal involvement with any anti gun liberal nut job...they are irrational and no place in my life for people like that unless they are clients.

You need a no politics rule like here on T-Man.

Something that is odd....all people he shot were killed? or most of them....that is very odd.

What first attracted you to her? There is a conservative woman with those same qualities, keep looking and you’ll find her.

You’re on a roll today Boco.

Girl Freind was very guarded in her politics in the beginning but the last presidential election it changed. It will become worse and worse till we get to November. Then from November to the next presidential election will become bad I am afraid. I am Afraid The hand writing is on the wall for us. MD

I agree as well. The nuclear family has been under subtle attack in schools and television for years. It’s starting to have a real effect on the country as a whole imo.

One truth about this stuff, as it happens more and more is that if you do not carry everyday/everywhere legal your part of the problem.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-democrats-gun-control-prayers

Might be the common ground that both of you can share is a road. Both of you on it, each going in a different direction.

Irony:

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, a Democrat whose city is notorious for its high violence rates, also offered her opinion about the school shooting.

"As a nation, we simply cannot allow this to continue. Every single day, children and young people are losing their lives to people who do not value the sanctity of life and take advantage of the unabated presence of firearms in our communities," Lightfoot said in a statement.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. She, nor any other liberal really care about black children dying daily in their own community.

lightfoot should be expelled from this country....

This common thread of female problems might just point to where we erred to start with.

I also thought, Pot meet Kettle....lol, but 110% true.

We've never had a president paint with such a broad brush. You go around labeling ordinary, hardworking Americans as white supremacists, don't be surprised to see some hackles raised.

Smart folks, these democrats. Surly more laws will stop this kind of evil.

I am a teacher, I wish I had a platform that I could respond to the Governor of WI and the President.
Let us defend ourselves and defend our schools. We are their soft targets. "For God's Sake" as The President said, I am praying and begging, Let us Defend us!
Mental health is a national emergency no one wants to deal with. You can no longer lock them away in asylum, the supreme court ruled that in the 1980's.
Let us defend our schools!

Excuse me, but I'm 64 and I'm not old.

Truth

Another bad day for society in America .Only someone with mental health issues would deliberately set out to kill 8 to 10 year old children. There always seems to be no end to throwing federal money at all types of so called social problems. But when it comes to helping those people that truly are in need of mental health problems they never seem to get the real help they need .This month is Mental Health Awareness Month .Did anyone know that? It saddens me that everyone knows we need to help some people to deal with life .But somehow that help is never provided to them. It is here take some more drugs that we call medicine .Everyone is paying a price for the total lack of really addressing this issue

Heart wrenching. Prayers for the families.

54 billion to defend uke, maybe a few million to defend American children.

If the left wasn't angling to disarm all of us they'd say it's high time to put armed adults in schools. Why won't they budge?

40 billion? That was just last week! Try over 800 BILLION! Can’t afford to protect Americans but let’s keep trying to protect other countries that only want us when someone is kicking their door in!

This one hits home as I have 2 grandchildren 1 is in 4th grade the other one in 2nd Makes me sick to my stomach what these families are going thru The 60,000 dollars per year for a SRO officer doesn’t look that expensive now does it

Seeing how much we will spend on stadiums and sports in general, I'd love to see booster clubs and charity drives to hire armed veterans at every single school.

To me, that would be a win / win situation

Last weeks shooter was RADICALIZED by the internet according to the left Bet this nut was by video games That is the start to a lot of these young shooters.
I have never questioned my faith or Gods purpose. But this action can make one pause and wonder , has to .

The kid was born in North Dakota, fought often with his Mom and had fistfights often with schoolmates. No mention of a father. The school/town is 80% Hispanic, 60 miles from the Mexican border, truancy was a problem with him, he stuttered and had a lisp and was bullied in school. More problems than you can shake a stick at. Sounds like the system failed him a long time ago as well as every other person in his path. Wonder how many lawyers are lining up to get their fingers in this case to sue the school....

Our POS President again used this terrible event to push his anti gun agenda. How many guns are protecting him? The real problem is mental illness.

Nailed it.

I am fortunate enough to work for a city that allows SRO's in their schools. But not all cities are the same. I truly don't understand the backlash against SRO's in schools. In addition to having officer presence within the school you also have a role model for the students that's able to create rapport with the students and debunk that "cop fear" the country seems to so desperately want our children to have.

Our school system does too. Great guys who really care about safety and have good relationships with the students.

I have gotten to know them well enough to form the opinion that it would be unwise for a bad guy to screw with them.

We have SROs here also. I have gotten to spend some time talking with the one in the grade school and I believe this man would be a force to reckon with to anyone aiming to harm the children. I do however believe that as one man in a large building he is limited, and I would support letting teachers also be armed if they so choose. I understand that some teachers would not and some should not be armed, but many are more than capable and would defend our children with the same vigor as their own.

We need to return to a time when the absolute worst thing a principal could do to student wasn't a paddling, those were welcomed instead, but to call your daddy down to the school.

That happened to me ONCE.

Or a time when teachers lived side by side with their students and went to church together as my mother did with most of the three generations she taught.

Or that same mama packing a 38 most of her life school or not.

Gentlemen I don't mean to stir the pot here, but as someone who has been through a school shooting the police presence on the campus does not stop a school shooter. The officer may be able to respond and save some lives, but they will not be the determining factor in if a shooting does or does not happen. To be very clear, I am not saying an SRO should not be there. I think they are worth having around for sure, just don't put all of your eggs in that basket.

The proper investment is in access restriction and clearing before entering a building with metal detectors or other methods. I was on a college campus with its own police department. Cops crawling everywhere. Shooting still happened. People still died. Could it have been more people if the campus police didn't respond? Probably so. Did the police presence on campus stop the shooting from happening? No.

Nowadays it goes like this.
Teacher calls parent to tell them their kid has been diciplined.
Parent goes to the scool,kid tells parent "daddy,the teacher was mean to me".
Parent lays a beating on teacher.

I see gun control coming for the US

I completely agree with you. My department offers a citizens police academy with a small graduation and luncheon at the end. It's a super way to encourage and empower the community while educating them about the ins and outs of our department, it's quite amazing really. Our community loves, respects and trusts us because of things like this. I think it would be a fantastic idea for teachers to be able to conceal carry, it would also be a excellent idea for them to have to qualify with said weapon they wish to carry in the school and be proficient in the use of that weapon. When introduced to high stress situations your fine motor skills go down dramatically. If you're not proficient in the use of said weapon to the point that it's second nature to function that weapon and be able to trouble shoot malfunctions, your survivability of that situation can go down quite a bit. Just a thought though!

My only issue with SRO's or deputies at schools is when behavior issues end up being police matters for thigs like back talking or refusing to change for gym, saw it at the schools my kids went to as staff would call thee SRO to deal with a teen or preteen didn't follow rules and were used to intimidate children. And then were hit with charges not going to class or other dumb things kids do. I am all for them being at schools and part of the support system for the children but not as a school disciplinarian .






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Teacher calls cops to tell them to discipline child
Cop arrests kid for not being in class after bell
School calls parent to tell them child has charges
Parent goes to the school, kid tells parent "daddy, the teacher called the cops on me for being in the hall".
Parent yells at teacher.[/quote]
teacher calls cops on parent and parent gets charges

I hear that the initial responding officers (within a moments notice of the shooter going into the school) took fire and retreated, they heard him shooting the kids....while they waited for a swat team and broke windows to evacuate other kids.

https://www.today.com/video/texas-s...playlist=mmlsnnd_todayarchiveswednesday2

Then wimpy parents sue school and cops,get cash for life,teacher gets fired kid goes back to school in BMW.

All the sro's need special training and should be carrying m-4's. Two per school across the nation. $ is no object to help uke...use that $ here. 55 billion should do it easily. That is over 1 billion per state..

It will be interesting to find out if this Ramos kid had been on any king of prescription phychotropic or mood leveling drugs.

I think that we will never know all the details....

Shooter has been positively identified as MS13 gang member

OK, where have you heard this?