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Posted By: Anonymous

Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 10:07 AM

There's been a whole lot of fun banter on Tman about D's and R's and such.
But, could it be that we've reached the point in our nation, where the political "party" that any political candidate claims to be involved with actually falls beneath a bigger category which is either;

Humanism defined as;
An outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems. Humanism is a Renaissance cultural movement which turned away from medieval scholasticism and revived interest in ancient Greek and Roman thought.

and/or

Progressivism defined as;
A way of thinking that focuses on social progress. It is a philosophical movement and political movement. The idea of progress is the belief that human society is improving over time.

I think most of our people, from whom the political pool comes from obviously are now DEVOUT humanists and progressivists so....
D or R doesn't really matter or look much different to us, the voters, because our politicians are more progressive and humanist than they are either Democrat or Republican.
Same as the majority of this nation's population here in the 21st century.

Politicians come from the ranks and reflect those they represent.
2022 is no different than 1776.
But the people have changed. At a fundamental level of where we seek answers, and our nation is now harvesting what has been sown by those who preceded us just as we are sowing for those who will come after us. Legacies matter.
They always have.

It's easier when you realize the direction all this is headed on the train tracks.
grin

Blessings,
Mark
Posted By: 3togo

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 10:40 AM

Thanks Mark.

But I believe there is more of a sub-culture agenda in play. Not necessarily driven up front by politicians or voters. Whether one is a politician or a non-politician, looking to get ahead to gain more income or more responsibility, many realize once they achieve that status that continuing to play the game will keep them there or moved even further ahead.

Recent releases of information by World organizations concerning people who volunteered at the beginning of the pandemic as tests subjects, who encountered medical damage, and are still not rehabilitated to a functional, everyday status physically capable of being able to work are being excluded from the results. All subjects being followed are reported to have no more side affects. According to an NIH report last week.

I'm sure Ukraine, the border, and all of the other problems, recently firearms, have a hoped for, planned outcome based on political or control ambitions, not the betterment of human society.
Posted By: Posco

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 11:10 AM

We had statesmen back then, that's for certain. We lack that today.
Posted By: Andrew Eastwood

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 11:23 AM

I think it is much simpler than you say Mark, and yes their are enemies on both sides of the political party spectrum. The true battle is constitutional conservatives vs commies/socialists. One dose not need to believe to be a conservative. I got some good friends and even family that are pagan or atheist, but they are constitutional conservatives. I myself find the 10 commandments to be a wonderful guide to life regardless of ones beliefs.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew Eastwood
I think it is much simpler than you say Mark, and yes their are enemies on both sides of the political party spectrum. The true battle is constitutional conservatives vs commies/socialists. One dose not need to believe to be a conservative. I got some good friends and even family that are pagan or atheist, but they are constitutional conservatives. I myself find the 10 commandments to be a wonderful guide to life regardless of ones beliefs.


The reason they don’t need to believe is because conservatism works, for ALL.
Posted By: Flicker Shad

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 12:09 PM

Neither party is for the people anymore.
Posted By: seniortrap

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 12:54 PM

The encroachment of the Communist/Socialist ideals have been introduced through legislation for too many years. And our society of thinking goes along with it.

Thanks a lot to news media, TV, movies made in Hollywood etc.. When the Communists were being sought out in the 50's in Hollywood, Sen. McCarthy wasn't wrong.

He just didn't have enough support from fellow patrons in Congress. It went agains't the grain/gain for some. A knife in the back.
Posted By: cfowler

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Andrew Eastwood
I think it is much simpler than you say Mark, and yes their are enemies on both sides of the political party spectrum. The true battle is constitutional conservatives vs commies/socialists. One dose not need to believe to be a conservative. I got some good friends and even family that are pagan or atheist, but they are constitutional conservatives. I myself find the 10 commandments to be a wonderful guide to life regardless of ones beliefs.

I agree.
Posted By: Dirty D

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 01:30 PM

trouble with both your definitions is neither one believe in the freedom of indivuals to do what they choose.

I would define the 2 sides as freedom vs state control.

The state always wants more control, without freedom lovers in the controls of the state we get all encompassing state control (communism).

If voters can only chose 2 evils evil will win.
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 01:36 PM

Riddle me this then, If R's are the same as D's, why dont we already have socialism, canadian style gun laws. I mean , why wait for a school shooting?
Posted By: bblwi

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 01:45 PM

We seem to be desiring to use political partism to sort out basic human behavioral traits, and it is not working as smoothly as we would like things to do, or we are choosing to use the parties to knowingly divide persons even with very basic similarities. Much seems to be driven by fear which is manifasted very differently by individuals and or even whole cultures and being very basic human traits we don't move past them easily or quickly.

Bryce
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 01:45 PM

Right now in Washington there are at least 40, hopefully more Republicans holding the line on gun control through INTENCE pressure. And you say they are all the same. Is Matt goetz the same as jery nadler? Is Jim Jordan the same as adam schif? Is Rand Paul the same as dick durban?
Come on guys, I distrust govt as much as anyone but I do know which side my bread is buttered on.
Posted By: Posco

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 01:57 PM

I cast my first vote for Reagan when he won his first term. I've never voted for a Democrat for anything and never will. All I have to go by with politicians is their rhetoric until they give me a track record to vote on.

If things go south, I'll stand with anyone willing to do so. Seems like the options are narrowing.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 02:13 PM

Is this a political post? lol.
Posted By: Posco

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Boco
Is this a political post? lol.

Hurt your feelings? Frost scraping is months off.
Posted By: Dirty D

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Diggerman
Riddle me this then, If R's are the same as D's, why dont we already have socialism, canadian style gun laws. I mean , why wait for a school shooting?


First I'd say there are degrees of people in the state. Like women there are downright ugly ones (a 1 for example) to beautiful women ( a 10).

So on only one issue, gun control, the vast majority of R's are a 1-3 lets say on guns while the D's are 7-10's.
There are issues where R's are closer to D's even tho they say they are opposite. Such as the size of Gov't. When was the last time the R's eliminated gov't jobs and departments or even voted to do so?

As far as why we don't have socialism is until recently socialism was a totally rejected philosophy in the west for all except a rare few. Its been preached more and more in the hot beds of the left (college) recently so the fever spreads thru society.

A good example of the spread of vastly reject thought is transgender issue. Its now accepted in a large hunk of society that anyone can at any time change from a man to a woman and that men can become pregnant if you don't agree then you are the problem. 10 years ago anyone preaching this would be considered a kook and be publicly mocked. Now most people might not think it but alot are afraid to say so. It gives the perception that the public at large believes it too. So the powers to be will go along too. This is the danger of not speaking out.
Posted By: Rat Masterson

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 02:30 PM

We as a country are moving to socialism and have been for years, an example is earned income tax credit.
Posted By: Diggerman

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dirty D
Originally Posted by Diggerman
Riddle me this then, If R's are the same as D's, why dont we already have socialism, canadian style gun laws. I mean , why wait for a school shooting?


First I'd say there are degrees of people in the state. Like women there are downright ugly ones (a 1 for example) to beautiful women ( a 10).

So on only one issue, gun control, the vast majority of R's are a 1-3 lets say on guns while the D's are 7-10's.
There are issues where R's are closer to D's even tho they say they are opposite. Such as the size of Gov't. When was the last time the R's eliminated gov't jobs and departments or even voted to do so?

As far as why we don't have socialism is until recently socialism was a totally rejected philosophy in the west for all except a rare few. Its been preached more and more in the hot beds of the left (college) recently so the fever spreads thru society.

A good example of the spread of vastly reject thought is transgender issue. Its now accepted in a large hunk of society that anyone can at any time change from a man to a woman and that men can become pregnant if you don't agree then you are the problem. 10 years ago anyone preaching this would be considered a kook and be publicly mocked. Now most people might not think it but alot are afraid to say so. It gives the perception that the public at large believes it too. So the powers to be will go along too. This is the danger of not speaking out.



That is silly, Cats are like dogs to a degree because they both have tails and fur.
You keep searchin for that perfect candidate and let me know, I might vote for him, but in the mean time I will vote for a not so perfect Republican that holds the line on gun control.
Posted By: KsTrapper88

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dirty D
trouble with both your definitions is neither one believe in the freedom of indivuals to do what they choose.

I would define the 2 sides as freedom vs state control.

The state always wants more control, without freedom lovers in the controls of the state we get all encompassing state control (communism).

If voters can only chose 2 evils evil will win.


I don’t think the original post was about communism or not.

I think that a majority of freedom loving politicians (and people) today would fall into the “humanist” category Mark put above. Logical rational ways to solve human problems, most humans are good, etc.

The majority of the left are “progressive”...progress doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to happen in the mind of progressives, hence the lgbtq nonsense of today...all for the sake of progress.

The biblical view is not that most humans are good and can solve our own problems though. The Bible says that all humans are sinful and wicked, and the only solution to our problem is surrender and obedience to God. Who can take our hearts of stone and gives us new hearts.

The slide from the biblical view to the humanist view was slow and easy because it used logic, reason, and morality, even though the focus shifted from God to humanity.

The slide of our country into progressivism is not so smooth because rationality has been thrown out the window.

This is my take on Mark’s original post anyways.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 04:17 PM

I feel a lot of what Hal Lindsay has preached for years is coming to fruition. We are in the church age currently, but it will come to an end. There will be rumors of wars and wars. There is no evidence that America will be a player in the final days. We are being fast tracked into our demise with this administration. We have been destroying our selves from within administrations prior to this one. But, this leadership has put things into passing gear.

Common sense and morality are dying. Socialism is the primary goal. America is in trouble and the future doesn't look too good.
Posted By: AntiGov

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/08/22 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Trapper7
I feel a lot of what Hal Lindsay has preached for years is coming to fruition. We are in the church age currently, but it will come to an end. There will be rumors of wars and wars. There is no evidence that America will be a player in the final days. We are being fast tracked into our demise with this administration. We have been destroying our selves from within administrations prior to this one. But, this leadership has put things into passing gear.

Common sense and morality are dying. Socialism is the primary goal. America is in trouble and the future doesn't look too good.



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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/09/22 09:59 AM

Amspoker's post last night which included Proverbs 14:34 was timely. My post was in regard to people placing faith in R's and D's, which while important and certainly an imbedded portion of our Republic, are not the underpinnings of any culture. Ours included. If you believe in God, that is. If you don't believe in the God of Creation, then by all means place all your hope, all your trust, and all that you have in the people you think will lead you to whatever/wherever you want to go.

I'm a conservative politically. I'll type that on an online thread.
But I don't expect any human, as hard as they may try, to lead me and my family.
Because humans are sinners and sinners mess up. Every day.
It's called life and the fact that any politician has an R or a D after their name has become the main focal point in our land and this mentality is devouring us piece by piece.
As we place hope in either the R's or the D's, and I believe there are fundamental differences between political parties, as a nation we stand little chance of long term survival if the current trend of ALL people continue to walk further away from the righteousness that the Wisdom Book of Proverbs lays out in 14:34.

Why is that?
Well, let's read along for a moment of how things really are and how all nations - who have ever been - have faired when they decided to "go it alone."

Proverbs 14:34 says, “Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.” Righteousness here doesn't refer to an individual’s right standing with God but to a nation that adheres to God’s righteous standards as found in His moral law. It's not democrats or republicans who exalt a nation but righteousness.

The righteous ethical standards this passage is referring to is based upon God’s moral law. 1 Timothy 1:8-11 shows the purpose of the law in civil government:

But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.


Scripture tells us that the Law was given to be a standard for righteousness. Paul writes, that the law can't save anyone, but it is to used as the righteous standard for the church and for a civil society.
Same as our forefathers wrote about. Often.

We also realize one other VERY important point which is that without the righteousness standards of the law permeating society, it is harder to get people saved because there is a lack of the knowledge of sin. Romans 7:7 shows that the law brings the knowledge of sin.

As a post-Christian nation, and there is no debate among scholars about that anymore, people lack the basic knowledge of true righteousness and the conviction of sin...
so society follows their own righteousness standards, which is called self-righteousness.

It's in plain sight.
The shooter outside Justice Cavanaugh's residence told authorities he was searching for "identity... a purpose for his life."
I've written on this before here on TMan.
Our hearts as created humans seeks to love and be loved and as relational beings, created in God's image, we seek identity.

My-o-my how every day now brings some news story about yet another 21st century American proclaiming their wonderful zany, warped identity.
It'd be funnier if the perverted and abhorrent identities weren't rotting the core of people's lives and the fabric of our nation, which has always been a beacon for individual liberty.

R's and D's stand no chance against the onslaught of unrighteousness our nation now seeks, embraces, and rallies for with pretty T-shirts and poster boards.
The people are us and we elect our leaders.
Each decade brings about a faster acceleration of secular ideas tethered to unrighteousness, so we're not surprised at the civil society we're now witnessing.

May God help us to raise up righteous leaders and I don't care one bit what political party they call themselves as long as they cast their gaze upward first and foremost.
Cause the current plan can't work long term.
It never has for any other nation and America will be no exception in God's Creation - Redemption - Restoration Plan.
So it is written.
And the Book has never been wrong before....

Blessings,
Mark
Posted By: Feedinggrounds

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/09/22 10:19 AM

Ahhh America, and it's political pendulem. What used to be a slight swing left to right has now become earthquake like. Far far left will soon be replaced with far far right. Mark, we're running the Morbark tub grinder this morning, I sometimes wish I could toss some problems in it, instead of slabwood! 2 hours, 300 gallons of fuel for grinder and feeder machines....Another fine morning, a bit wet makes for no dust! Have a great day all!! Morbark makes everything look the same when it falls off the end of conveyor!
Posted By: J Staton

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/09/22 10:33 AM

Given the sin nature of man, none of what's going on in the U.S. should surprise anyone. Mark is right, don't put your faith in politicians, preachers, or any man, because at some point they will fail you.
Posted By: Tom Fisher

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/09/22 12:51 PM

Cheerful Bunch!
Posted By: Posco

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/09/22 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Fisher
Cheerful Bunch!

The country isn't in a glass half full place.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/09/22 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Fisher
Cheerful Bunch!

Hard to find anything to cheer about considering the direction the country is taking.
Posted By: charles

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/09/22 03:07 PM

8pm tonight will be interesting.
Posted By: Trapper7

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/09/22 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by charles
8pm tonight will be interesting.

You must be referring to the kangaroo court that will be doing their best to stop Trump from running in 2024.
Posted By: J Staton

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/09/22 05:08 PM

ABC owns or is owned by Disney so I guess the show tonight will be a Disney production. Fitting since Disney is known for producing make believe films.
Posted By: Feedinggrounds

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/10/22 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by charles
8pm tonight will be interesting.

I'm going paint a trash can, and watch it dry.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/10/22 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tom Fisher
Cheerful Bunch!


There's joy in the house Tom! But it's sure not in watching politicians, elected to serve their constituents, serve themselves.
Joy in my house comes from knowing FULL WELL Who has this all this precisely where He wants it.

When you realize where Truth comes from, you can rest easier watching the banana republic display and every D and more-and-more R's these days.
I have faith in God and I still have faith in my country which is changing according to what vocal people say they need or want.

My generation taught that love, sex, and rock and roll was the answer to finding happiness in life.
To that, here 6 decades into my life, I have a question though.
If the hippie generation teachings were so grand, and it was ushered in with songs, TV, and bill boards everywhere....
why are so many people 60 years later so dang crabby?

Maybe love the one you're with and sex, sex, baby and songs that glorified immorality didn't deliver all that they promised to the people who listened?
Oh, but they DID deliver. All they promised.
And the hippie generation who listened and lived life according to the love, sex, and rock and roll is now in FULL control of this country and running this show. They are in full control in WDC.
And they are ALL a crabby, self-centered spectacle of humanity... which I can't watch in good conscience.
It's embarrassing what/who they profess to be.
Lies. Liers. Lieing.

So, here we are.
Families spilt apart from the love the one you're with teachings.
A sexualized nation at every level, with more "rights' given to sexual preferences that life itself.
And a nation built upon 6 solid decades of "I don't care what other people do," which has only drifted us far, far, far away from a moral shore.
And drugs, idolized in song and media, are killing our people at a rate never seen before.

The plan was never a good one which these peace-nicks chased after.
Good thing God's in control.
And not them.
So there is joy in the house!

Blessings,
Mark
Posted By: HobbieTrapper

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/10/22 11:35 AM

Mark, I read an article where the Pope was making a plea for world peace. Is he the only one that hasn’t read the book? lol
Posted By: Tom Fisher

Re: Republicans and Democrats - 06/10/22 11:54 AM

Cheer up life isn't easy, never was. I don't have any illusions about this Govt or people. I am as ready as I can be for what is coming. A good friend of mine always said,"God never said it would be easy, just that it would be". My apologies to Wayne if I quoted it wrong.

It's a good time to be a trapper '
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