Did anybody watch the video of a cop pulling Patrick Lyoya over? He got out of his car, disobeyed orders to get back in the car, took off running, wrestled the cop for his taser, and suffered the consequences. Now he's a hero and the cop is charged with murder! This world is backwards. Maybe somebody who knows how to post videos can post it on this thread. The dead man has no one to blame but himself. Another fact about this story that has nothing to do with anything is the cop is white and the dead man is black. I hope the jury can see straight and the cop is able to live a good and free life.
Hope springs eternal ------ however reality has a different view. Haven't heard about it or seen the video -- just hope that justice is done whatever the outcome is.
Apparently ther is a cell phone video the body can was turned off during the struggle. I have not watched it but read a friends summary.
Guy gets out of vehical cop and him struggling tazer is in effective, bad guy looks like he can easily over power cop, gets tazer away, cop gains the guys back for a second during the struggle take the opportunity and shoots him in the back of the head before the guy can get the better of him with was very likely to happen fast.
I think n it was a good shoot but in today's world he is screwed.
The lawfully administered gunshot is probably to much for this site. It's on Youtube. To the untrained it looks bad, but it is exactly what every officer is trained to do if a criminal gets a hold of your tazer or pepper spray in police academies.
counting on a taser to fill the gap of actual hand to hand skills is not a good thing..cops should have to attend 1-2 bjj classes a week mandatory. This cop has no hand to hand skills. The black guy appears to be under the influence...cops like this should just wait for 2 or three more officers to back them up..sad situation.
counting on a taser to fill the gap of actual hand to hand skills is not a good thing..cops should have to attend 1-2 bjj classes a week mandatory. This cop has no hand to hand skills. The black guy appears to be under the influence...cops like this should just wait for 2 or three more officers to back them up..sad situation.
Cops should have to meet strict physical standards too. Little, effeminate men can't handle most physical police work.
neither can most women....I stopped about a month ago and helped a female deputy that was holding a man off with a taser on the side of the road....pitiful.
there was a warrant for Patrick Lyoya for sencond offence domestic violance and other things the officer had no choice but to make the arrest.
yes I have seen the video from the cell phone and the body cam that was released I don't think either show a cop that wasn't desperate to not be seriously hurt or killed by Lyoya
he was pulled over for a plate issue , he was driving on a revoked license, he acted very off , he had a warrant , he ran , then he fought
the only actual out for Lyoya given the circumstance was to harm or kill the officer in such a way that he couldn't pursue Lyoya and to do it before the called for backup got there, so knowing that is the only viable out for Lyoya what is the officer supposed to think Lyoya is trying to do?
the standard is , given the knowledge at the time , would a reasonable person have sufficient reason to fear death or great bodily harm . can you really come to another answer. there is no point in wrestling for the taser just because it's fun. the goal is either disable the officer or illogical.
this week people are praising a cop shooting an unarmed guy , why , because he was trying to get into a school , was acting very strange and went after the cops gun.
counting on a taser to fill the gap of actual hand to hand skills is not a good thing..cops should have to attend 1-2 bjj classes a week mandatory. This cop has no hand to hand skills. The black guy appears to be under the influence...cops like this should just wait for 2 or three more officers to back them up..sad situation.
Cops should have to meet strict physical standards too. Little, effeminate men can't handle most physical police work.
Keith
they probably should wait for backup to arrive but the sad fact is , backup for them is often a long way off. maybe not in this case , but officers and deputies around here may be 20-30 minutes from the next officer. so they do have to try and handle a lot alone.
as to physical requirements , man it is hard enough to hire a qualified candidate
as for tools they got left with pepper spray , a taser and a gun no billy clubs , batons , or knight sticks any more , nothing that functions as a club. anything that functions as a club got misused at some point by a bad apple and now has been taken away as a tool. with no other tools is it any surprise they have to go to the gun more often.
Because of that piece of human excrement George Floyd, cops cant touch someone around their head or neck area anymore. When that cop had the top, regardless of what the armchair quarterback tough guys on this site say about his size or strength, he shouldve been raining blows and went straight into rear naked choke. But, we are a weak nation now and while we watch these these in the ufc for entertainment we have forbidden any officer from touching a crapbag around his neck.
The cops should absolutely be able to use a chokehold and if one is loosing the fight then that officer should use the choke regardless of policy. I think any reasonable person would agree with that.
That cop shouldve immediately started with some hammer fists on that guys head when he tackled him. But cops, especially in liberal states, fear the black man. That cop shot him because his mind went blank on WHO he was shooting, he just wanted to live.
MSM making it into a totally different situation .I think some people think it's all fun and games .Every time the so called victim is resisting arrest and a threat to the officers life . If he wasn't doing something illegal , he had no reason to run !
Based on what I saw, Lyoya had it coming. I'm not a cop, but it seems to me that night sticks need to make a comeback. Or shoot them, whatever. They are multiplying and getting bolder.
As for cops fighting, my 106 pound 14 year old wrestler son could have beaten the brakes off that cop. I don't know if it's the heavy gear, candidates, training or society getting weaker, but too many cops shooting black guy videos show cops shooting because they couldn't win the fight.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Cop charged with murder - 06/11/2204:11 PM
Originally Posted by Marty
counting on a taser to fill the gap of actual hand to hand skills is not a good thing..cops should have to attend 1-2 bjj classes a week mandatory. This cop has no hand to hand skills. The black guy appears to be under the influence...cops like this should just wait for 2 or three more officers to back them up..sad situation.
That's what a night stick was for but Rodney King happened. Eliminated a tool that likely helped prevent escalating many resisting arrest cases to a shooting.
I was wondering why the guy whose face is blurred out didnt grab a rolling pin or black iron skillet and tame that guy a bit for the officer who flat out had more than he could chew.
Sounds reasonable, death for having the wrong plates on your car.
Nope, death for resisting. Quit commenting like a bleeding heart liberal, it's unamerican.. The minute the perp didnt follow orders to a T, he was dangerous and shootable.
So no one felt the cop could have handled it better. He had the car, if the stop was that serious, what was he doing alone? Let the guy run, (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). Call for backup if it was that serious. A man is dead, black, white, good, bad, wrong , right over a traffic stop. The cop used excessive force for the situation and now a man is dead. And les, I am certainly NOT a liberal, Dead is for ever, and maybe the guy deserved what he got, dont know, But that cop, did NOT have the right to make that decision.
Perhaps shooting folks would get them to mind better when someone barks an order. Then after a bit, folks wont get shot for that.
This guy knew he could resist and not get shot. This is what's wrong with the world. If we can change that, these perps will show a little more discepline.
Sounds reasonable, death for having the wrong plates on your car.
Nope, death for resisting. Quit commenting like a bleeding heart liberal, it's unamerican.. The minute the perp didnt follow orders to a T, he was dangerous and shootable.
It was much, much worse than just resisting arrest. The criminal stole a weapon from the police officer he could use to disable the police officer, which would allow him to steal the police officer's firearm to use against the police officer or other people. He absolutely needed to die at that point.
There is no law, rule or regulation that says obey my command or I can kill you. Escalating a situation is just wrong and unprofessional. Use as much force as the situation calls for. If the dead guy was a school shooter, heck yea, burn'em. But if he got the wrong plates on his car, and takes of runnin, let em go. You got his car, you got his buddy, you will soon have him, ALIVE. everybody goes home, no story.
So no one felt the cop could have handled it better. He had the car, if the stop was that serious, what was he doing alone? Let the guy run, (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). Call for backup if it was that serious. A man is dead, black, white, good, bad, wrong , right over a traffic stop. The cop used excessive force for the situation and now a man is dead. And les, I am certainly NOT a liberal, Dead is for ever, and maybe the guy deserved what he got, dont know, But that cop, did NOT have the right to make that decision.
I hope you don't have kids. I raised mine knowing actions have consequences. Small things like don't fight the cops sort it out in court so you don't end up dead. The cop did not make the choice for that man to drive on the wrong license plate, on a suspended license and resist because he had a warrant.
But I'm sure your one of the first to get mad when cops stood by and let cities get looted, burned and residents attacked.
I think we need more direct and hard consequences. Deal harshly with crime is a better way to change behavior. But I'm sure you would be all for the revolving door justice system untill the guy escalated to murder. Then you would cry about his long criminal history and why he was still on the street.
Say the cop let him run and he hurt or killed someone in the process. After all he has allready shown willingness to break several laws and fight with a cop. I'm sure your would be crying the cop should have stoped him.
I have no idea why anyone would want to be a cop these days.
So no one felt the cop could have handled it better. He had the car, if the stop was that serious, what was he doing alone? Let the guy run, (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). Call for backup if it was that serious. A man is dead, black, white, good, bad, wrong , right over a traffic stop. The cop used excessive force for the situation and now a man is dead. And les, I am certainly NOT a liberal, Dead is for ever, and maybe the guy deserved what he got, dont know, But that cop, did NOT have the right to make that decision.
the only win for lyoya was to kill or disable the cop before the backup he called for got there.
not over a traffic stop , over a felony warrant for domestic assault.
could the officer have done things early in the stop to lessen the chance his taser would be fought over , yes so he made a poor deployment of the taser from too close is that a reason he should die or be injured for ever?
I'm sorry, I read that the dead guy was running AWAY, The cop CHOSE to chase and tackle. If the suspect was that high value , Why wasnt he immediately cuffed and stuffed? Running away= de-escalation Running after and drawing a weapon = escalation. I'm pro cop, But someone dies on a traffic stop for plates, ehh,
So no one felt the cop could have handled it better. He had the car, if the stop was that serious, what was he doing alone? Let the guy run, (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). Call for backup if it was that serious. A man is dead, black, white, good, bad, wrong , right over a traffic stop. The cop used excessive force for the situation and now a man is dead. And les, I am certainly NOT a liberal, Dead is for ever, and maybe the guy deserved what he got, dont know, But that cop, did NOT have the right to make that decision.
the only win for lyoya was to kill or disable the cop before the backup he called for got there.
not over a traffic stop , over a felony warrant for domestic assault.
could the officer have done things early in the stop to lessen the chance his taser would be fought over , yes so he made a poor deployment of the taser from too close is that a reason he should die or be injured for ever?
Dont know where you got this felony warrant info, wasn't on the video, cop distinctly told the dead guy that it was for plates. If it was for a felony warrant, he sure didnt act like it.
If he would have had correct plates on, a criminal would never have gotten pulled over. He is a casualty of getting caught within the web of the law.
Too bad. It's done, He's dead, and when you are in the crinimal business, it doesnt pay to make a mistake. He's off the streets...that's probably a plus. The streets are slowly getting cleaner, one dead perp at a time.
The perp knew he had the warrant hence his fighting the cop. The cop never got his ID. The perp knew he was going to jail so he fought with the cop. The cop only knew the guy had bad plates and was not complying then fought with him.
Cops don't have a crystal ball to know who the bad guys are or what they are thinking or running from ahead of time . They just have to react to people's actions and try to not end up hurt or dead when they come across someone like this.
You wind up not hurt or dead by not chasing and tackling every traffic violation. Thats all it was, up untill the guy ran and the cop tackled him, just sayin. Then it got real.
You wind up not hurt or dead by not chasing and tackling every traffic violation. Thats all it was, up untill the guy ran and the cop tackled him, just sayin. Then it got real.
Did you watch the videos ? One time you act like you just read what peope said happend then you asct like you watched it.
I guess you are OK with people not complying with police orders. Starting right off get back in the car he did not. An did not follow a single one after.
Once again I see another example of why this country is in the shape that it is in.
Criminal doede not comply with lawful orders fights cop ends up dead but it's the cops fault the guy did not follow orders and fought with him.
You are kinda special, aint ya. Yes I am very ok with questioning authority. You pull me over, you had better be able and willing to articulate why and what for. I have no clue what you mean with your last sentence.
From what I saw on the video .The perp , got out of his car , the officer told him to get back in the car .IMHO That way he had more control over the situation .The officer informed the perp of why he was stopped .The perp then tells his buddy to get his license , why he never provided his license , I don't know.The perp then shuts the door and moves toward the officer .That's when the officer tried to cuff him .The perp fought the officer and ran , why ?The officer had a choice let him go , or catch him .Spur of the moment , he chose to catch the perp .Perp fought him , and he tried to tazz the perp .Now the perp grabbed the tazzer and tried to take it from the officer .At that point it became a life or death situation for the officer ! Justified shooting ! Maybe it's time people start respecting others in authority .They learn not to in school , because teachers can't discipline any more , and feel they can do as they please . Parents can't discipline their kids any more. But when their kid gets in trouble or does something wrong , NOT MY KID ,THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT! There's what's wrong today ! Yes you have the right to question why you're stopped , but not to resist arrest !
You are kinda special, aint ya. Yes I am very ok with questioning authority. You pull me over, you had better be able and willing to articulate why and what for. I have no clue what you mean with your last sentence.
What I mean is you want to blaim the cop for the actions the perp did that. Lead to the outcome. There is a big difference from asking why your stopped vs getting out of your car, not complying, running, taking a cops weapon. You can't see that you are part of today's society problem.
Just ask swamp wolf if he thinks I'm all 100% pro law enforcement. I'm not but make thug choices get thug consequences.
You seem to want to make it out that the perp was OK in his actions and the cop was wrong. Hence if so you are why America is in the shape its in.
Ran into a guy that worked at home depot this evening while food shopping. Now he is in the academy to be on lawrence pd. 100,000+ population. This guy was a lazy sos at home depot, is chunky and probably could not subdue anyone who did not want to be arrested.....probably would take 4 of him to subdue the guy in the video..
Based on what I saw, Lyoya had it coming. I'm not a cop, but it seems to me that night sticks need to make a comeback. Or shoot them, whatever. They are multiplying and getting bolder.
As for cops fighting, my 106 pound 14 year old wrestler son could have beaten the brakes off that cop. I don't know if it's the heavy gear, candidates, training or society getting weaker, but too many cops shooting black guy videos show cops shooting because they couldn't win the fight.
Here's a rebuttal to the input from left field. Yeah all the gear played a roll. I work out daily on my lunch break, for 1 hour, every weekday. There's a reason loose T shirt and sweats are worn during workout. They key word in your post, is the very last one "Fight" If the dipstick had not fought the cop, very likely he would be out on bail commiting new crimes.
Sounds reasonable, death for having the wrong plates on your car.
Kinda skipping a few parts? Seems his death happened due to fighting the cop. The cop shouted several times, "Let go of the tazer" NOT you got bad plates, you got bad plates....BANG!
You are kinda special, aint ya. Yes I am very ok with questioning authority. You pull me over, you had better be able and willing to articulate why and what for. I have no clue what you mean with your last sentence.
And if they are not willing and don't articulate to your satisfaction, then what are you going to do? Will you resist,fight, grab Tazer or firearm?
You are kinda special, aint ya. Yes I am very ok with questioning authority. You pull me over, you had better be able and willing to articulate why and what for. I have no clue what you mean with your last sentence.
And if they are not willing and don't articulate to your satisfaction, then what are you going to do? Will you resist,fight, grab Tazer or firearm?
You are kinda special, aint ya. Yes I am very ok with questioning authority. You pull me over, you had better be able and willing to articulate why and what for. I have no clue what you mean with your last sentence.
What I mean is you want to blaim the cop for the actions the perp did that. Lead to the outcome. There is a big difference from asking why your stopped vs getting out of your car, not complying, running, taking a cops weapon. You can't see that you are part of today's society problem.
Just ask swamp wolf if he thinks I'm all 100% pro law enforcement. I'm not but make thug choices get thug consequences.
You seem to want to make it out that the perp was OK in his actions and the cop was wrong. Hence if so you are why America is in the shape its in.
Reading comprehension , read what I write not what you want to read. I NEVER, EVER said the dead guy was right or innocent. I SAID, the cop made a poor choice that led to the mans death, The man made poor choices also, BUT he has not been trained and is being paid to "serve and protect". The cop is supposed to be a PROFFESIONAL, as such he should have diffused or at least not escalated a traffic stop to a funeral. (disclamer), I only watched the video once, never seen the guy attack the cop before he was tackled, was not aware of the priors as was not the cop. I am certain in his training he is advised NOT to initiate contact while alone. Of coarse if it showed the man initiating the contact and escalting the situation , fine, do what you gotta do.
Chris Rock has a video on YouTube that explains to black folk and diggerman how to behave during a traffic stop. Look it up- How not to get your butt kicked by the police. There is wise information there
Against my better judgement, I watched it again. At no point did I see an offensive move by the dead guy, At no point did I see where the cops life was in danger, At any time the cop could have stopped and walked away and diffused the situation. I am not taking sides, dont care, but anyone who thinks what this cop did is "OK", better not carp about the fbi in Michigan or justice departments over reach.
Les, this is still America for the time being, We all have rights here. I will stand up for mine. You want to be a sheep, go ahead, thats your right. Couple of my hounds won trophies, me not so much.
Youre of the understanding your “right” on a traffic stop is to be on the phone as you please? Again, i think youre watching the wrong video because i saw a justified shooting of a criminal. A POS that deserved to die based on his actions.
...a traffic stop for illegal plates = legal stop.
....no compliance to officer's request for DL and guy physically resists arrest = legal physical arrest attempt.
...if officer knew of outstanding warrant on the guy = more legal justification for arrest.
.....continues to physically resist arrest and grabs ahold of officer's weapon = use of deadly force authorized.
Officer should be acquitted. BS charging the officer.
100% total agreement with your entire post. Being in Northern lower Michigan, this is political 100%, and this is the part of Michigan that has been talked about before. Liberal lower lower Michigan. We have members here that are just that, and post accordingly.
Against my better judgement, I watched it again. At no point did I see an offensive move by the dead guy, At no point did I see where the cops life was in danger, At any time the cop could have stopped and walked away and diffused the situation. I am not taking sides, dont care, but anyone who thinks what this cop did is "OK", better not carp about the fbi in Michigan or justice departments over reach.
"At no point did I see an offensive move by the dead guy." You would be correct. The offensive moves were before he was dead. And the thug could have stopped and diffused the situation like a law abiding person would.
Les, this is still America for the time being, We all have rights here. I will stand up for mine. You want to be a sheep, go ahead, thats your right. Couple of my hounds won trophies, me not so much.
You wont use your phone when I make a citezens arrest either, lol, dont see how it could be possible, after resisting arrest, and no witnesses. Just saying.
100% total agreement with your entire post. Being in Northern lower Michigan, this is political 100%, and this is the part of Michigan that has been talked about before. Liberal lower lower Michigan. We have members here that are just that, and post accordingly.
Lower Michigan is not default liberal. Cities are liberal and rural is conservative like everywhere else. Government reliance is much more of a thing in the northern lower than down here.
...a traffic stop for illegal plates = legal stop.
....no compliance to officer's request for DL and guy physically resists arrest = legal physical arrest attempt.
...if officer knew of outstanding warrant on the guy = more legal justification for arrest.
.....continues to physically resist arrest and grabs ahold of officer's weapon = use of deadly force authorized.
Officer should be acquitted. BS charging the officer.
So its OK to put your hands on someone for plates? At that point, thats all it was. But I guess the poor guy was from the Congo, thats the way its done there.
...a traffic stop for illegal plates = legal stop.
....no compliance to officer's request for DL and guy physically resists arrest = legal physical arrest attempt.
...if officer knew of outstanding warrant on the guy = more legal justification for arrest.
.....continues to physically resist arrest and grabs ahold of officer's weapon = use of deadly force authorized.
Officer should be acquitted. BS charging the officer.
So its OK to put your hands on someone for plates? At that point, thats all it was. But I guess the poor guy was from the Congo, thats the way its done there.
WOW You only see what you want to see ! PUBLIC EDUCATION IN THE 90'S ON !
...a traffic stop for illegal plates = legal stop.
....no compliance to officer's request for DL and guy physically resists arrest = legal physical arrest attempt.
...if officer knew of outstanding warrant on the guy = more legal justification for arrest.
.....continues to physically resist arrest and grabs ahold of officer's weapon = use of deadly force authorized.
Officer should be acquitted. BS charging the officer.
So its OK to put your hands on someone for plates? At that point, thats all it was. But I guess the poor guy was from the Congo, thats the way its done there.
Yes....you can be arrested for a traffic violation. The guy began resisting...after failure to comply to the simple request to produce a DL...which he is required to have to drive.
So, the perp turned it into hands on "for a traffic violation." And, we still dont know if the officer knew of the warrants. If he did, there is an even more solid reason for a physical arrest, as opposed to only a citation.
And, unless there is no other reason to arrest a subject, an officer should never advise a perp he is being arrested on a warrant...until the cuffs are on. Especially with this guy that wasnt complying from the start.
Diggerman, Unless you were an officer in the Congo you speak of...you'd get your a$$ kicked pretty quick on the streets of most an US city. Better keep your day job.
From this prospective, several things are went way wrong on both sides.
But short result, when the subject grabbed the officer's taser the subject signed his own punch card, period!
Did the subject need to be shot in the back of the head, would not have been my first choice; but, the subject would have been shot! Multiple times? Result would 'probably' have been the same as I don't see the subject stop resisting til he took his last breathe. This officer just saved some ammo.
Lots of law breakers, some violent or wanted, to be sure, would have an easy escape if when the law stops somebody they are ordered not to chase the criminal. Free escape boys, you'll just have to get your car back later after they tow it. Those mean white cops can't chase you and if they do they will be charged with a crime!
