a battlion a day, a brigade a week...

Ukrainian president Zelinksy stated, 10 days or so ago, that the UAF was taking 500 or more casualties a day in the Ukraine war. His Minister of Defense about a week ago said their loss rate maybe closer to a 1,000 a day. If the lower number is taken as more concrete, that's about the equivalent of a battalion taken out of action a day, a brigade a week. The UAF cannot sustain those losses and hold together, especially in the eastern front. There are already "interesting" videos out there of forced off-the-street "recruitment" of Ukie men by the government. The goofs in charge, both there and the West, can say we'll just give them more heavy arms, especially artillery and rockets, and the UAF will continue to bleed the Rus white. Its a talking point built on a fantasy. The current Ukrainian government will lose at least 4 of their "oblasts" (provinces) in the east and south, although some of Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts they haven't controlled since late 2014. I'm not even counting Crimea that was joined in Ukraine SSR in 1954. The best that the "continue the war" crowd can do is a "perpetual" war where the front going somewhere in a line south and east of Kiev and east of the Dnieper. The U.S. and NATO will pump arms and training into western Ukraine and train a new UAF to keep the fight going. Or NATO will decide to fully engage their forces instead of the current sort of the shadow play without any of their boots on the ground and war planes in the skies of Ukie land. Former NATO commander Wesley Clark thinks the alliance should go all in now. Of course, none of his or probably his family's blood will get spilled.

Anyway, retired Col. Douglas Macgregor had a interesting recent write up on the situation:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/when-the-lies-come-home/

I'll leave you with another Ukraine map. It is by "native" language. The 4 most southeast oblasts were added to Ukraine by Lenin in 1922. Its an ethnically mixed region but of course that is hardly ever mentioned in American "official" (government/media/corporate/NGO) discourse.

Buden and eye patch McCain are going to keep this going, they don't care about the cost.

Such a shame that our leaders, military leaders and media lied to us so much about this situation. Just shows how bad things are in the USA.

Gonna be really bad if nato gets directly involved.

What difference does the language you speak make?As if that stupid map means anything.
You speak English but fought against England.-
You still speak English and still hate English.
Maybe youd welcome the English if they wanted to take over America?because you speak their language?-preposterous.

No different over there.Many Ukraineans who speak the Russian dialect hate Russians for what they did to them and love their sovereignty..

Russian speakers want Russian rule.

Seems someone was telling awhile back how inferior the Russian military was and they'd b whipped easily.

Boco- You are as predictable as the sun rising in the east. Carry on...

Interesting read from 2017. Might give some of you an idea of how many of the people from the Donetsk and other regions feel about their nationality.

https://www.npr.org/2017/06/24/534207470/many-in-eastern-ukraine-want-to-join-russia?t=1655673748793

If you don't know where or what Kaliningrad is, perhaps go look it up.

It appears that the Lithuanians have had late puberty and have grown a serious pair. I wonder how much the brain trust in Vilnius is getting paid to start stopping Russian trains transecting going to or coming from Kaliningrad? Hopefully, the Russians aren't dumb enough to give Sniffy and the minions an Article 5 excuse in Lithuania or Poland. But who knows, dumber things have happened. It would be the height of irony (Satan smiling widely) if WWIII starts within a 100 miles or so from where WWII started. Funny how that might happen...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...LDxBVr8BJmafdN-pksvuNUxfYTHiEHprC-StdQ4I

nato has isolated Kaliningrad oblast via ground?

Of course the russian speaking eastern ukrainians want russian rule, they're russians, planted there after russia starved out the ukrainians by the millions last century.. You think theres no bad feelings still?

History doesn't just go back 50 years....

What does UAF stand for, nonPCfed?

What about those, like so many in the former Warsaw Pact countries, that have had a taste of democracy and have no wish to return to hammer and sickle dictatorship. Freedom has no affinity to any particular language especially after people have tasted it. With few exceptions former Warsaw Pact countries, once they had the chance, went as far to the West politically as they could and, by default, as far from Russia dictators as they could.

UAF = Ukrainian Armed Forces

100% Frank.

Thank you, crosspatch.

ethenic russians in eastern uke were persecuted by nazi's so they had no taste of democracy.

I'm in the group that doesn't buy into the propaganda that Putin did this to liberate the people who want to be part of Russia. He killed more of them with his indiscriminate bombing of their cities than he saved for one.

And, if I wanted to be Mexican or Canadian like they supposedly want to be Russian, why don't they just move 50-100 miles east and be a Russian?

Putin is money hungry just like any other dictator. His worth is said to be around a hundred Billion that he pilfered from his people, but yet those supporting him complain about our politicians becoming a millionaire over this.

We shouldn't be in this war, its just our politicians wanting the exact same thing Putin wants, as I said before...money. So don't try to sugar coat why Russia invaded.

Give us real data on civilian deaths since Feb 24 in the Donbas and who killed whom. Go to Donestsk city or Mariupol and walk around and ask people who was or is doing the civilian killing, they'll give you their opinions. They're not shy.

Buying into Russian propaganda is no different than buying into our propaganda. Maybe worse.

Just don't expect everyone too.

Nazis persecuted everyone, except collaborators, in the Slavic countries. Slavs were treated only one step above the Jews by the Nazis. None of the Slavic countries had a chance to taste freedom until the Soviet Union, and the Warsaw Pact, both fell apart in 1991.

It's sad but my $ is that Russia will permanently control the Donbas and adjoining areas. Have to hope that Putin stops or gets stopped before Odessa.
If I recall old sniffy virtually gave Putin a green light with his reply about a response IF Russia invaded. Then all the fuss about weaponry and escalation.
Den's are well on the way to ruining both the U.S and Ukraine.imo We don't need any help up here ruining our country. Our dictator is overseeing that.

Lie to us on everything they do it looks like

I am talking about the uke nazi's in the 21st century.

So, Hippie, if everything the Russians say, at all levels, and including Patrick Lancaster's extensive talking to people on the streets, is propaganda and lies, and we know that the Ukrainians have their own propaganda and lies, and our own media/leaders either lie to us and/or are clueless, how do we find out what's closest to the truth??

I know a lot of people probably really don't care in the end if the Russians and Ukrainians kill each other no stop as long as it stays over there. But will it stay "over there" in at least not Americans fighting and dying on the ground and in the air?

Here's the real reason I care a lot about this issue. The same people who lied about Trump being "a foreign agent" and did their best to cripple his presidency, the same people who lied about covid and told us Fauci/CDC/FDA knew everything and weren't lying to us, the same people who lied to us about how legit the 2020 election was, the same people who lied about that there were/are no dangers to people, including little kids, taking the 'vid jab, are the same people who are lying about the reality of the Ukraine War.

And it probably won't "stay over there" because a good percentage of our national leaders want a hot conventional war with Russia, because they think they can "manage" it and it takes Americans' attention off of other things failing in the country. A hot war with Russia is the old generals' wet dream, they think it would be a fairly easy victory for the U.S. and NATO. And maybe they're right. But happens if they're wrong, really wrong...?

In reality, we're probably along for the ride, because the minions and Sniffy will probably go for it to put everybody on "war footing" where no questions are allowed to be asked, a good chunk of both houses of Congress are for it for as easily as they run up the national credit card spending money on the Ukies to fight the Rus, and no flag officers in the U.S. military are going to resign in protest trying to stop a hot war with the Russians. So, I guess we'll just see, 2022 is not quite half over, plenty of time for more mismanagement of the country. We're on our individual and immediate community own, we control our situations as much as we can control ourselves. God is the final arbitrator of the situation...

Fair enough Marty. No idea how ethnic Russians were treated by the other Ukrainians in recent years. Difficult to believe however it is as bad as the original Nazis treated others.

Nazis persecuted everyone, except collaborators, in the Slavic countries. Slavs were treated only one step above the Jews by the Nazis. None of the Slavic countries had a chance to taste freedom until the Soviet Union, and the Warsaw Pact, both fell apart in 1991.
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Oh you mean their proud boys(nationalists)?-Not exactly NAZI's,lol since lots of Ukes are Jewish descent.
They propagandists like to hang the NAZI label on people here who are right of center politically speaking or proud of their country.Its a commie thing.

Boco
I took the time to research it a little and it ain't propaganda they call themselves Nazi

I don't agree with BOCO much, but,if we go by language,lol,lol,mabey we should relinquish all of our southwest to Mexico.
LOL,stupid!

Maybe even a few cities, and other states!

Oh sure ! the former Soviet block countries just LOVE Russian rule ,They are lined up waiting to be hosed again ? NOT .I think real life experience for them has educated them more than some YouTube jockey with headset ear phones on .