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Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/22/22 07:16 PM

Dissecting the Million-Mile Tundra
Toyota engineers couldn’t wait to take apart Victor Sheppard’s million-mile Tundra — what they found was remarkable

When it comes to Victor Sheppard’s million-mile Tundra, Toyota engineers can’t help but repeat the same phrase over and over.

A truck that was driven the equivalent of 24 trips around the planet is still running?

“You just don’t get a million-mile truck every day,” says Tundra Executive Program Manager Kevin Gilleo. “This is incredible.”


The rare opportunity to tear down and examine Sheppard's 2007 Tundra was too good to pass up for the engineers at the Toyota Motor North American Research & Development (TMNA R&D) center, formerly TTC, in Ann Arbor, Michigan, where it was designed. After getting the truck in Louisiana, where it was sold, in October — and giving Sheppard a brand new Tundra — engineers took it on a victory lap to Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Texas, in San Antonio, where it was built.

Then it went to Ann Arbor to find the answer to the question: What happens to a truck that’s been driven 1 million miles? And, moreover, what can we learn that will benefit our customers?

Months later, Toyota’s technical brain-trust is still amazed at one thing: Sheppard’s Tundra does not look like it went a million miles.

“This is how I’d expect a Tundra with 100,000 miles on it to look,” says Frank DiMaggio, analyst at the Toyota Collaborative Benchmarking Center. “But this one has a million.”

What They Found

Sheppard’s Tundra has now been dissected, with Toyota and suppliers analyzing different parts. The engine is being examined at Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Alabama, plant where it was built. But the bulk of the body sits in Ann Arbor.



In all, more than 100 people are studying the truck, using the normal, detailed teardown process. Gilleo says the Design and Evaluation teams should complete a parts check on the engine, bed, transmission and seats this year.

The key to getting to a million miles — especially in the shockingly brief eight-year time frame it took Sheppard — was regular maintenance. Once his truck started hitting high mileage, Sheppard was visiting Greg LeBlanc Toyota in Houma, Louisiana, about once a month for oil changes and other small tune-ups.

But that was it. The truck that came to TMNA R&D in October was the exact same one that left the Greg LeBlanc Toyota lot in 2007. With the exact same components, including the engine and transmission. Yes, they were used hard, but over the course of a million miles, they never needed to be replaced.

“The interesting thing, as we start our design for the next Tundra, is what we can learn from this truck,” says Tundra Chief Engineer Mike Sweers. “My biggest interests are the spring seats, the bed and the front seat. Even things like the door trim that he’s grabbing every day and closing.”

Turns out all those things held up remarkably well. The driver’s seat, which Sheppard regularly slept in as a hotshot driver, had a small tear in the back. Everything else looked good.

A Better Tundra

So how will Sheppard’s Tundra ultimately help customers? It’s simple, really: If something holds up for a million miles, keep doing it. If something can’t last a million miles, rethink it and make it better.

“We’re going to take what we learned from this truck, what we’ve done right, and keep doing that right,” Sweers says. “But we can see areas on the body where we can improve. Maybe we had some weld breakage, so how can we strengthen those areas? Can we add a couple more spot welds? Can we move some spots welds? Can we change the shape of a bracket? We can use this to make the next Tundra better from the information we’ve learned from this truck.”

And, let’s be honest here: This truck is a source of pride for everyone involved.

“This really falls back to what we want to do from a quality standpoint,” Gilleo says. “There’s a North American customer expectation on our trucks. People buy Tundras based on that expectation, so we need to meet that. This vehicle was designed and built in North America for the North American market, and it lasted a million miles. That’s pretty special.”
Posted By: Flicker Shad

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/22/22 07:31 PM

I'm thinking real hard about buying a tundra soon.
Posted By: Kart29

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/22/22 07:48 PM

They all run purtinear forever if you take care of them and keep putting new parts on them.

If they expect me to believe it went 1,000,000 miles without needing any parts replaced... well I ain't that gullible.
Posted By: HayDay

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/22/22 08:04 PM

If they want to give me a new truck so as to study my 2006 Tundra with 210,000 miles on it.........I'll take it.

BTW, has NEVER been in the shop for anything but scheduled maintenance. On it's 3rd battery and 4th set of tires.....just stuff that wears out over time. But otherwise......it just runs now like it always did.
Posted By: midlander

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/22/22 08:36 PM

[quote=Kart29]They all run purtinear forever if you take care of them and keep putting new parts on them.



Im not sure if I buy this statement . ..i switched to Toyota because even with regular maintenence I couldnt get gm products much past 200k miles without constant nickle/dime repairs that really started to add up to a lot of $$. Took me a long time to get the gumption to switch to a 'foreign' vehicle, but now I wished I had done it much earlier in life. Im sure there is one out there, but Ive never met anyone that switched to a toyota and later said it was a bad decision. If american manufacturers made a quality product, I would have stuck with them.....hence, I drive toyota with no regrets.
Posted By: DanN

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/22/22 08:51 PM

Wheres the guy going that he's traveling 125,000 miles a year ?
Posted By: BigBob

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/22/22 09:30 PM

OK, so that's one out of how many?
Posted By: danvee

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/22/22 09:41 PM


15 years of driving, that averages out to 182 miles a day 365 days a year, EVERY day 182 miles a day. When did he get time to service it?? The only way I can see this is if he had multiple drivers.
Posted By: Longbeard12

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/22/22 09:44 PM

I have been a Chevy man most of my life. Owned Ford's and still have a Ram with a Cummins. I also have a first gen Tacoma and have a 3rd gen Tacoma. I hate to say it but I will probably never go back to Chevy, Ford, or Ram. The reliability is like none other and they just keep running. The only reason I still have my Cummins is because I have a fith wheel. 2nd biggest reason is resale. 2 if not 3 fold what I would get for the American made trucks. My money doesn't feel as wasted when it's time for a new one.
Posted By: Leftlane

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/22/22 10:08 PM

I still drive an 07 Tundra. It has the 5.7 Liter and it is a beast.

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Posted By: Deerhunter51

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/23/22 03:59 PM

Still drive my old 2002 Tundra SR5. It’s just getting broke in good at 275,000 miles and will probably outlast me. Drove it to Montana last year, taking it to Michigan this fall for a bow hunt. Great trucks.

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Posted By: Kre

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/23/22 04:53 PM

They should study my buddy's 2007. Most recently he ran into a timing problem. Parts and labor came to $5500.

Truth be told, my buddy really uses a truck like a truck. Not just trips to the grocery store and light towing.

But, he's had several expensive repairs. It chews up water pumps.
Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/23/22 05:04 PM

If Toyota made an 8ft bed truck, id be interested.

Ive had good luck with GM motors .. its just the everything else around it falls apart. Ive owned a couple GMs that went over 250k. At work he had a couple over 400k.
Posted By: Wanna Be

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/23/22 05:56 PM

Wonder if Ford would give me a new truck for 1 million miles? Only got 550,000 more to go, lol!!
Posted By: Lugnut

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/23/22 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
If Toyota made an 8ft bed truck, id be interested.

Ive had good luck with GM motors .. its just the everything else around it falls apart. Ive owned a couple GMs that went over 250k. At work he had a couple over 400k.


I have a 2008 Tundra Double Cab with an eight-foot bed. Do they no longer make them?

I've owned lots of trucks and only one of them (a little Ram 50) was not an eight-foot bed.
Posted By: waggler

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/23/22 06:14 PM

My '99 Tacoma has 400K on it and I regularly change the oil every 20,000 miles or so; not joking.

A few months ago I woke up in the middle of the night and realized I had never checked the other slippery fluids.
I spent the next day checking the rear and front diff's, transmission and transfer case. All were full and the color of dark honey. I drained and replaced the fluids; probably should have just left it alone.
Posted By: QuietButDeadly

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/23/22 06:50 PM

I have seen quite a few Tundras with 8' beds. They make them, just not many of them.
Posted By: gone huntin

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 10:45 AM

My 2010 has a 8' bed
Posted By: Dirty D

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 11:52 AM

a couple of things to point out.

I'd rather buy a newer vehicle with high mileage over a older vehicle with low mileage.
Odds are to get to the higher mileage it has been maintained.
A vehicle that sits, especially outside ages from rust and corrosion more than one thats moving.

I'll bet that if a GM vehicle ever hit a million miles GM would do one of two things, either ignore it or get it back to find out what they did wrong so that it never happens again.
Posted By: DaveP

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 01:05 PM

Remember reading about a guy with a Chevy pu that drove 800 miles a day. Ga to SC to TN to GA, every day, hauling newspapers.
He got oil changed every 4 days.

Racked up a million pretty quick.
GM ignored him.
But Pennzoil didn't.
Posted By: coondagger2

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 01:13 PM

Interesting. Toyota is so shocked it lasted that long they do a full autopsy.

There are so many Cummins powered Dodge trucks over a million miles they had to make a formal club for them.

As of 2016 there were 90 Dodge (Cummins powered) light trucks with over a million miles on them. Probably 100 of them by now

There are 3 or 4 out of those 90 that are over 3 million miles

Take that, tokyota

https://www.universitydodge.com/cummins-engines-are-so-durable-theres-a-million-mile-club/
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dirty D
a couple of things to point out.


I'll bet that if a GM vehicle ever hit a million miles GM would do one of two things, either ignore it or get it back to find out what they did wrong so that it never happens again.


Truth in That
Posted By: west river rogue

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 02:35 PM

x3
Posted By: midlander

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by coondagger2
Interesting. Toyota is so shocked it lasted that long they do a full autopsy.

There are so many Cummins powered Dodge trucks over a million miles they had to make a formal club for them.

As of 2016 there were 90 Dodge (Cummins powered) light trucks with over a million miles on them. Probably 100 of them by now

There are 3 or 4 out of those 90 that are over 3 million miles

Take that, tokyota

https://www.universitydodge.com/cummins-engines-are-so-durable-theres-a-million-mile-club/


Must be southern trucks. In the north, them dodges are rusted out before the hit 100k miles smile
Posted By: Lugnut

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by midlander
Originally Posted by coondagger2
Interesting. Toyota is so shocked it lasted that long they do a full autopsy.

There are so many Cummins powered Dodge trucks over a million miles they had to make a formal club for them.

As of 2016 there were 90 Dodge (Cummins powered) light trucks with over a million miles on them. Probably 100 of them by now

There are 3 or 4 out of those 90 that are over 3 million miles

Take that, tokyota

https://www.universitydodge.com/cummins-engines-are-so-durable-theres-a-million-mile-club/


Must be southern trucks. In the north, them dodges are rusted out before the hit 100k miles smile


Not just Dodges although both of mine died of rust-through long before other brands. Chevy's seem to last the longest for me, my current 2008 Tundra isn't likely too see too many more years before frame rust sidelines it. Like you say, we don't get a chance to see a million miles on vehicles driven on roads treated with calcium chloride.
Posted By: jbyrd63

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by danvee

15 years of driving, that averages out to 182 miles a day 365 days a year, EVERY day 182 miles a day. When did he get time to service it?? The only way I can see this is if he had multiple drivers.

It was done over a 9 year span. this happened in 2016 !!! Recalculate your daily average. I don't think he "drove" all those miles. So he drove on holidays and EVERY weekend. Not physically doable. It says for his job. So when he got somewhere he didn't even stop . Sounds like the drill on the odometer cable. He thought it would turn over and he could get some warranty back. BUT the odometer stuck is why he showed up on exact day at the dealer it went to 999,999 ?
If he drove evry day for 9 years 9times 365= 3285 1,000,000 div by 3285=304 per day . IF he took sundays off and still did holidays 2817 days driven . 355 miles per day . @ 60 mph AVERAGE that's nearly 6 hours per day driving !! EVERYDAY nope didn't happen . PLUS was he sick any during that time ? If you run the numbers it starts sounding fishy . Seats still in good shape ??? That makes the decision for me. Just the pic of him would say the seats should be broken down just from sitting that long.
https://www.motor1.com/news/62683/toyota-trades-new-tundra-for-one-with-million-miles/
Posted By: jbyrd63

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 05:14 PM

https://www.motor1.com/news/518768/toyota-tacoma-million-half-miles/

Heres one MORE beleiveable because it has had a new motor and transmission. This guy puts in 500 mpd which is hard to believe but his truck looks like it's got the miles on it.
Posted By: BernieB.

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 05:54 PM

Around here the bodies fall off the motor about 200,000 miles. They are notoriously rusty, most any Toyota truck that is over 15 years old has had to have the frame repaired.
Posted By: run

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dirty D
a couple of things to point out.

I'd rather buy a newer vehicle with high mileage over a older vehicle with low mileage.
Odds are to get to the higher mileage it has been maintained.
A vehicle that sits, especially outside ages from rust and corrosion more than one thats moving.

I'll bet that if a GM vehicle ever hit a million miles GM would do one of two things, either ignore it or get it back to find out what they did wrong so that it never happens again.

I agree. LOL.
Posted By: run

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 07:20 PM

I believe the OP original story. Probably if you replace the ball joints regularly, Toyotas will last into infinity. LOL.
Posted By: bearcat2

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/25/22 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by coondagger2
Interesting. Toyota is so shocked it lasted that long they do a full autopsy.

There are so many Cummins powered Dodge trucks over a million miles they had to make a formal club for them.

As of 2016 there were 90 Dodge (Cummins powered) light trucks with over a million miles on them. Probably 100 of them by now

There are 3 or 4 out of those 90 that are over 3 million miles

Take that, tokyota

https://www.universitydodge.com/cummins-engines-are-so-durable-theres-a-million-mile-club/

Problem with the Dodges is the rest of the truck. Hard to beat the Cummins motor. It is a well known saying around here that on a Dodge (Cummins) you rebuild the truck around the motor. I own a Cummins and two Toyotas. I really like my Dodge for a 1 ton work truck but it has the 68RFE auto tranny in it which is garbage and I would never recommend anyone getting. Looking at putting a G56 manual in it. On the other hand I've owned Toyotas since I was old enough to drive. In all that time I had one that spun a rod 10K after I bought it (total of 140K) and it is currently sitting here waiting for me to put a new motor in it at 210K. Only one other did I ever have to rebuild a motor in and that was at 350K. I've always gotten rid of them at 300-400K so I can't say how far they will go, but farther than anything else except a Cummins on average. So other than one I sincerely believe a previous owner did something to I have had great luck with them. I'll stick with Cummins for a full size work truck and Toyota for a compact.
Posted By: yoteguts

Re: Toyota Studied Million-Mile 2007 Tundra When Desig - 07/28/22 11:24 PM

I have a 2018 tundra that I bought new and has never missed a maintenance appointment and has all highway miles on it. Last Thursday driving down the highway it shut down. Toyota came and got it. Called today to let me know it shucked the motor and needs a new one. 87,000 miles. They aren’t all bullet proof. Toughest thing this truck has ever done was pull a trailer with a small utv on it.
Very disappointed. I have to show proof of every oil change since this truck was new before the extended warranty I bought will proceed on the new motor. No prob as I have the proof. Keep your receipts is my advice.
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