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Holding Ground, Losing War
Posted By: NonPCfed
Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 02:54 AM
Clown World continues except there's almost nothing funny about it. And the clown is basically the one from the movie
It, ready to eat anyone's soul who gets in the way. Just need a nuke to go off somewhere in Ukraine and then NATO will ride in to the rescue...
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holding-ground-losing-war/
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 02:59 AM
Very dangerous situation and we are not being told the truth....
Posted By: Leftlane
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 03:36 AM
add about a lot of things
Posted By: BigBob
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 03:57 AM
And now we have potential crap storm building in China!
Posted By: 330-Trapper
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 04:05 AM
Oh the Ways of Mice and Men...
Posted By: Tactical.20
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 04:11 AM
I only hope they can be stopped
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 05:13 AM
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 08:19 AM
Yes, good article and good comments on it below it. ^ recommend a click on it for all....
Posted By: cfowler
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 01:12 PM
Thanks NonPCfed. Difficult to find objective discussion on the conflict.
Lancaster has a new video up. He’s interviewing those in the regions taking part in the referendum.
Been a while since I’ve seen one of his reports.
Posted By: Law Dog
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 01:52 PM
It would be a shame if Putin had a accident then this might be over sooner and safer.
Posted By: BigBob
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 01:55 PM
A 9mm accident?
Posted By: Swamp Wolf
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 03:17 PM
I wonder where the Russian guy is that posted on here?
He may have been called up to go to Ukraine.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 03:35 PM
I wonder where the Russian guy is that posted on here?
He may have been called up to go to Ukraine.
I tried to warn him, said no ones going to be laughing when this is over but he and a couple others Scoffed at that and thought Russia would be in control long ago.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 05:15 PM
I wonder what is really going on there?
2 young Russian ladies here attending college told me just a couple days ago that basically Russia is getting their butt handed to them.
Take it for what it's worth, but they weren't very happy about it, and they would probably know with a better information source than we can get.
Posted By: run
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 06:33 PM
His screen name was Kosoi if I remember correctly.
Posted By: Squash
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 07:18 PM
Maybe he got placed in a gulag ?
Posted By: Trapper7
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/26/22 07:49 PM
It would be a shame if Putin had a accident then this might be over sooner and safer.
Sounds like some Russian soldiers are defecting.
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 02:53 AM
cfowler- Yeah, Lancaster went to cover the break out in violence again between Armenia and Azerbaijan, that's where he started his war reporting. He has moved his wife and kids out of Donetsk city (getting shelled everyday by the Ukies but of course no one in the West hears about that on MSM-- including FNC) and they're over in south Russia (probably Rostov area) where her family is from.
A couple of links. I'm not saying the first is linked to the "brain washing" of the public, I just find it sort of creepy that the Army puts out this video plugging for their psych ops groups earlier this year. A nicely polished piece of work but its pretty "out there"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMwhttps://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2022/09/21/brainwashed-for-war-with-russia/ Remember, 180 degrees difference is the exact opposite, 90 degrees difference means there some issues with the "truth"
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 03:12 AM
I have no idea what the actual truth is over there....we all know we have been told 'russia bad' for years....the same people keep telling us that Trump is also very bad....
Posted By: KOSOI
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 08:02 AM
I wonder where the Russian guy is that posted on here?
He may have been called up to go to Ukraine.
I tried to warn him, said no ones going to be laughing when this is over but he and a couple others Scoffed at that and thought Russia would be in control long ago.
you still believe your america will be at the helm ????
Posted By: KOSOI
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 08:07 AM
I wonder where the Russian guy is that posted on here?
He may have been called up to go to Ukraine.
And if they do, I will beat your fellow mercenaries without any regret.
Posted By: danny clifton
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 10:04 AM
I am sick of being told the situation is dire. Money guns and young American lives are going to be spent or we are doomed. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. It's all I need to know. We have had to look for real truth for so long how can anyone believe anything the talking head on FOX, CNN or any of the others says????? For some reason we keep getting mixed up in foreign civil wars. I suspect its because of the money to be made. Does anybody here really get affected by how the people in Younameityuckystan choose to govern themselves or fight about how to govern themselves? You really think people are better off in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq now???? Think the U.S. is safer from terrorist attacks? Sure half the people in Korea live pretty good but would the baby face fool be running N. Korea if we had stayed home? Vietnam looks to be doing pretty good under the evil regime we fought for all those bloody years. Iraq and Afghanistan seem to be tribal again.
Posted By: danny clifton
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 10:09 AM
If you go to war you destroy the other country. Burn cities, shoot livestock, spray defolient on growing crops and burn anything ready for harvest. Blow up power stations and water treatment plants. Cut fuel pipelines, destroy bridges factories and rail lines. Real scorched earth stuff. If its not worth doing then don't go. The people still alive will just want to stay that way.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 10:19 AM
I’m less concerned with the war in the Ukraine and more concerned about the one here.
Posted By: trapdog1
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 10:22 AM
I wonder where the Russian guy is that posted on here?
He may have been called up to go to Ukraine.
And if they do, I will beat your fellow mercenaries without any regret.
Such a pleasant fellow.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 10:33 AM
I’m less concerned with the war in the Ukraine and more concerned about the one here.
X2. The armies are moving in from the south unimpeded.
I’m less concerned with the war in the Ukraine and more concerned about the one here.
X2. The armies are moving in from the south unimpeded.
x3 we need to clean our own house.
Posted By: Osky
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 12:11 PM
I wonder where the Russian guy is that posted on here?
He may have been called up to go to Ukraine.
And if they do, I will beat your fellow mercenaries without any regret.
Your response seems in anger or am I reading into it? It seems Swamps… question was more of curiosity and concern than anything negative?
Osky
Posted By: patrapperbuster
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 01:16 PM
BENJAMINFULFORD.NET
It will help you guys a lot
Posted By: Swamp Wolf
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 02:40 PM
My post was out of curiosity and Kosoi seems to be angry at us Americans. And we're supposed to be nice and respectful to him....sheesh!
I'll just stay out of this "conversation" so I don't get banned from Tman.
Posted By: Lugnut
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 03:03 PM
I think this war would have been over a long time ago had our corrupt government not sent billions in aid to the corrupt government of Ukraine. Gotta protect the secrets of the Biden Crime Family at all costs though right?
Posted By: KOSOI
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 03:11 PM
I think this war would have been over a long time ago had our corrupt government not sent billions in aid to the corrupt government of Ukraine. Gotta protect the secrets of the Biden Crime Family at all costs though right?
I totally agree with you.
Posted By: KOSOI
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 03:13 PM
And it will be ordinary Americans who suffer and bleed.
Posted By: HobbieTrapper
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 03:15 PM
And it will be ordinary Americans who suffer and bleed.
No, I don’t think so. It will be self important Americans that will be doing most of the bleeding and it won’t be Russians making them bleed.
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 04:13 PM
Somebody just did 3 hits on the under sea (Baltic Sea) Nord Stream I & II NG pipelines from Russia to Germany. Somebody doesn't want Germany to have non-land passage (either through Poland or Ukraine) of Russian NG. Germany is being painted into a corner to "stay obedient". A person really can't make this stuff up. Straight out of a Tom Clancy novel...
Posted By: patrapperbuster
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 04:13 PM
My post was out of curiosity and Kosoi seems to be angry at us Americans. And we're supposed to be nice and respectful to him....sheesh!
I'll just stay out of this "conversation" so I don't get banned from Tman.
X2
Posted By: Lugnut
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 04:24 PM
I think this war would have been over a long time ago had our corrupt government not sent billions in aid to the corrupt government of Ukraine. Gotta protect the secrets of the Biden Crime Family at all costs though right?
I totally agree with you.
Your government isn't any better KOSOI. I have family in Moscow so I have a good understanding of what is really going on inside Putin's Russia. None of the governments and media of the three main players (Russia, Ukraine, USA) are telling the truth about what is really happening.
I will say I don't blame Putin for reacting how he did to Ukraine's possible inclusion in NATO and the fact that there could be (and probably already are) NATO-backed missiles pointed at key targets inside Russia.
When Russia tried to do the same thing to the US in 1962 (by placing missiles in Cuba) our then President took the world to the brink of nuclear war to stop that from happening.
Our media called him a hero for that, the same media calls Putin a villain for essentially the same thing.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 04:31 PM
I agree with you to a point Lugnut, but
That was when neither of us could deliver a nuke as far as today. Does it actually matter if the nukes are at his border or thousands of miles away anymore?
I'd bet my bottom dollar we have a nuclear armed sub sitting at their doorstep and they have one at ours as we speak.
I just don't buy that argument in today's world anymore. NATO is backing them regardless.
Posted By: KOSOI
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 04:40 PM
I know exactly what you're talking about, and I support your point of view on this issue.
Posted By: Lugnut
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 04:46 PM
I agree with you to a point Lugnut, but
That was when neither of us could deliver a nuke as far as today. Does it actually matter if the nukes are at his border or thousands of miles away anymore?
I'd bet my bottom dollar we have a nuclear armed sub sitting at their doorstep and they have one at ours as we speak.
I just don't buy that argument in today's world anymore. NATO is backing them regardless.
Good points that I hadn't considered hippie.
Posted By: Lugnut
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 04:50 PM
Do you agree with our support of Ukraine including the billions of dollars we sent hippie?
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 04:56 PM
I absolutely don't know the politics behind this, but NO, I don't think we should've picked a side. I also believe if we had different leadership in this wouldn't have happened to start with.
Think back to Syria and when Trump cleaned up Obama's mess with his red line. Trump told Putin to move his planes/troops, that we were going to bomb...and he did without fanfare.
Posted By: Dirt
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 04:56 PM
"In 1949, the prospect of further Communist expansion prompted the United States and 11 other Western nations to form the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). The Soviet Union and its affiliated Communist nations in Eastern Europe founded a rival alliance, the Warsaw Pact, in 1955. The alignment of nearly every European nation into one of the two opposing camps formalized the political division of the European continent that had taken place since World War II (1939-45). This alignment provided the framework for the military standoff that continued throughout the Cold War (1945-91).'
There is no Soviet Union or Warsaw Pact anymore.
Posted By: Lugnut
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 05:05 PM
I absolutely don't know the politics behind this, but NO, I don't think we should've picked a side. I also believe if we had different leadership in this wouldn't have happened to start with.
Think back to Syria and when Trump cleaned up Obama's mess with his red line. Trump told Putin to move his planes/troops, that we were going to bomb...and he did without fanfare.
I agree with you 100%.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 05:15 PM
You can bet that lots of aid $ is being funneled somewhere else and I would bet a good % of the aid weapons are being sold off...meanwhile the whole world suffers from the effects of this 'war'. Right on the heels of suffering from the effects of covid...two man made problems which could have been avoided.
Posted By: Jkeith
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 05:52 PM
Somebody just did 3 hits on the under sea (Baltic Sea) Nord Stream I & II NG pipelines from Russia to Germany. Somebody doesn't want Germany to have non-land passage (either through Poland or Ukraine) of Russian NG. Germany is being painted into a corner to "stay obedient". A person really can't make this stuff up. Straight out of a Tom Clancy novel...
Some are suggesting that the Biden administration may have orchestrated this.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christ...lines-in-the-baltic-sea/?sh=4bce900a1979We have an election coming up...and the timing is just impeccable.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 05:59 PM
The forces behind biden orchestrated much of this war.....
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 06:10 PM
Jkeith- Probably the Poles but with "approval". The ultra-nationalist Poles have no love for either the Russians or Germans. Supposedly the Polish government just hit up the German government for WWII reparations. There is "evidence" that Polish volunteers are fighting with AFU units, and not just a handful here and there. Taking out the underwater NG pipelines would make the 2 land-based NG pipelines from Russia, one through Ukraine and one through Poland, more important to the German and other western European economies. The North Sea can't supply Germany and western Europe with enough NG and its doubtful that the U.S. can ship enough LNG by tanker.
The fall and winter will could be very "interesting"...
Posted By: KOSOI
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 06:21 PM
The forces behind biden orchestrated much of this war.....
American! Who do you think will be responsible for the lives of Ukrainian civilians who were killed by the ukrainian Nazis with weapons that you supply to the Zelensky regime? Who can answer for the lives of Russian soldiers?
Posted By: k snow
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 06:27 PM
The forces behind biden orchestrated much of this war.....
American! Who do you think will be responsible for the lives of Ukrainian civilians who were killed by the ukrainian Nazis with weapons that you supply to the Zelensky regime? Who can answer for the lives of Russian soldiers?
Not this American. I didn't vote for cabbage head and his regime.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 06:29 PM
The forces behind biden orchestrated much of this war.....
American! Who do you think will be responsible for the lives of Ukrainian civilians who were killed by the ukrainian Nazis with weapons that you supply to the Zelensky regime? Who can answer for the lives of Russian soldiers?
Y'all didn't have to invade, that's on Putin.....sorry.
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 08:35 PM
How many on here think the Russian (official RF forces, the republic militias, and the contractors such as "Wagner" and the Chechens) casualties are higher than the Ukrainian military...? And give me your best estimate of those tallies...
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 10:58 PM
^ I have no idea....
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 11:05 PM
Posted By: rex123
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 11:12 PM
Putin will have to answer for the dead Russian soldiers at least he won't have to worry about the call ups running for the border.
Posted By: walleye101
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 11:41 PM
My money is on that environmental thug, Greta Thunberg.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 11:42 PM
My money is on that environmental thug, Greta Thunberg.
That is her neighborhood.
Posted By: walleye101
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/27/22 11:47 PM
It's too bad the US got out of the energy business.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/28/22 12:31 AM
Whitehouse said regarding this, that this is another reason to rely on renewable energy.
Morons.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/28/22 12:39 AM
Using just green energy will kill 3/4 of the people on the planet.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/28/22 12:45 AM
Using just green energy will kill 3/4 of the people on the planet.
You think they don't know that?
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/28/22 12:51 AM
Lots of people do not know that.
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/28/22 02:34 AM
Somebody just did 3 hits on the under sea (Baltic Sea) Nord Stream I & II NG pipelines from Russia to Germany. Somebody doesn't want Germany to have non-land passage (either through Poland or Ukraine) of Russian NG. Germany is being painted into a corner to "stay obedient". A person really can't make this stuff up. Straight out of a Tom Clancy novel...
Coincidence.....?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-german-chancellor-nord-stream-2-russia/
Posted By: 330-Trapper
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/28/22 04:20 AM
Good Answer Hippie^^^
"Y'all didn't have to invade, that's on Putin.....sorry."
Hippie
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 12:34 PM
An interesting piece of analysis. Probably too complex for 30 second media heads or politicians but it doesn't change the reality. Stuff like logistics is boring to short attention span people and if the "non-sexy" stuff isn't going with your narrative, just ignore it. Again, that doesn't change reality. Things are not going to improve for the Kiev government and their military.
An example from this essay: "In effect, the effort to keep Ukraine’s artillery arm functioning has gone through a few phases. In the first phase, Warsaw Pact stockpiles of Soviet shells were drained to supply Ukraine’s existing guns. In the second phase, Ukraine was given mid-level western capabilities, especially the 155mm howitzer. Now that 155mm shells are running low, Ukraine has to make do with 105mm guns which are badly outranged by Russian howitzers and will be, in a word, doomed in any kind of counterbattery action. "
If the world stays in one piece, probably a lot more mail-order Ukrainian brides on the market in the coming years...
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-war-has-just-begun
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 04:49 PM
Noon time update. The Ukrainian government has asked for expedited NATO membership after the Russian government signed into the Russian Federation the 4 Ukrainian provinces that had just had majority votes to join Russia. So, is the U.S. government and its European partners going to leave their client state out in the cold with its current status quo?? If NATO votes to accept Ukraine as a member then an ongoing Article 5 is occurring. I guess perhaps the plan if this goes full, openly kinetic is that NATO air forces and naval power can keep the Russians pinned down enough until armored and heavy infantry units can be spun up-- can't materialize those kind of forces overnight. Then I guess we'll see what the NATO military leaders have dreamed about for decades, taking out the Bear with a conventional war. Of course, everything will stay under control, no nukes will be involved. The U.S. Prez has 60 days is use U.S. military without any kind of Congressional consent. Everybody voted for this, right????
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/ukraine-requests-fast-track-nato-membership/
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:24 PM
If ya want the truth....I don't think anyone cares as much as you as lomg as we don't end up in a nuclear war with the communists you seem to be a boot-licker of.
We are aware that our govt and Ukraine's are corrupt as all get out, but push comes to shove when it comes down to being a communist or democracy, ill take our side.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:26 PM
If ya want the truth....I don't think anyone cares as much as you as lomg as we don't end up in a nuclear war with the communists you seem to be a boot-licker of.
We are aware that our govt and Ukraine's are corrupt as all get out, but push comes to shove when it comes down to being a communist or democracy, ill take our side.
And our side is just what specifically?
Serious question.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:28 PM
Democracy
Posted By: k snow
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:29 PM
Correction, CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:32 PM
Correction, CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.
Correction... Representative democracy.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:43 PM
And there's the rub.
Democracy = mob rule
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:47 PM
Seriously dude, do you truly understand just what democracy is?
It is one of the greatest evils ever orchestrated. Mainly because humanity itself is inherently evil and easily led into evil.
Our founders understood this and installed guard rails within our representing constitional federal republic.
Further, the individual must recognize and use internal guardrails of morality.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:48 PM
Know something better?
Seems like people will risk death to get here from the other choices.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:53 PM
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:56 PM
Yeah a pack of dogs also comes running when you toss out the scraps.
These folks are coming for the handouts.
But, yes, historically this republic was indeed the land of liberty. But not in its current form. Your side has corrupted liberty into licentiousness, freedom of thought into suppression of dissent, equality of opportunity to equity in misery. All the while inculcating a corrupt oligarchy of despots.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:58 PM
You truly refuse to see the forest for the trees.
Have you ever had a thought deeper than two sentences?
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 05:59 PM
Without thought and reason you are no better than the dumb animals that fall for our lures and get skinned.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:04 PM
So, you don't know anything better? Call me shallow, my one or two sentences I write get straight to the point, no him-hawing around and avoiding what is asked of me.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:06 PM
P.s., Cuba isn't that far but I recommend ya take your car with ya.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:12 PM
I know let's hold an experiment in democracy.
Just for entertainment sake let's put two questions of the make believe trapperman ballot.
Considering that we all enjoy this forum and hope to continue to so long into the future we hope to secure that future for we the trappers by removing Paul Dobbins' sole proprietary control of the forum and creating a trappers committee to administrate the forum on his behalf.
° yes
° no
Should we the users of the forum have the right to exclude members who do not meet the standards of the trappers committee?
° yes
° no
Considering that there is but just one of Paul and hundreds of us and just one of hippie I'm just certain this would be all for the best.
Democracy
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:17 PM
Still don't have a better example than what we live under?
If that above is suppose to answer me, I don't see your answer.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:21 PM
Of course you don't.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:24 PM
Don't be scared to say you'd sooner live under Putin and communism if that's it, I'd sooner talk to an honest Straight forward person than try to figure out a riddle.
Posted By: Sharon
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:25 PM
Warrior, not if it was a bunch of Marxist liberals who hate everything about being an outdoorsman, or our Constitution, and hence-those who support America, who now are called terrorists. .
No one would think of usurping the forum anyway. That's called capitalism, respected in the Constitution. Mr Paul has mods for help, who are respected.
I have seen, that the "other side of the isle" is bent for tearing up this country . That ends any consideration of what is obviously their agenda now...for me. at least.
Otherwise, the Second A would not have spelled out the time when those would see a tyrannical government was worth not supporting anymore in being against it.
I think you both are on the same page...It's just the definition of "democracy " is what is being clarified now. Maybe that term needs new clarification anyway ...
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:31 PM
They know full well I was referring to our system, regardless of what you want to call it. Democracy, republic, representative democracy or stolen election.
Posted By: waggler
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:33 PM
Regarding the PO's article in The American Conservative;
Why do we keep taking the bait? Won't people ever learn?
Posted By: Sharon
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:35 PM
They know full well I was referring to our system, regardless of what you want to call it. Democracy, republic, representative democracy or stolen election.
Well see there, that settles it. I knew this all along. Warrior feels the same. I've seen it in his posts .
Tomato- tomaaato
I have to say- I do feel this is a Republic- " And to the REPUBLIC, for which it stands....."
The word democrat sticks in my throat bigly , is the trouble with me , racer man
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:46 PM
Words have meaning. We once were perfectly agreeable to accept democracy as a synonym for what we have here in our constitutionally limited system of government with protections for all.
However, with the left we have usurpation of definitions such that democracy now means its exact definition and if enough of them are vocal enough to drown out the rest then anything goes.
Posted By: k snow
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:49 PM
Words have meaning. We once were perfectly agreeable to accept democracy as a synonym for what we have here in our constitutionally limited system of government with protections for all.
However, with the left we have usurpation of definitions such that democracy now means its exact definition and if enough of them are vocal enough to drown out the rest then anything goes.
Unfortunately only for one side.
The have redefined (or cant/won't define) democracy, vaccine, pandemic, recession, inflation, man, woman and the list goes on and on...
Posted By: Sharon
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:50 PM
I see what you mean, Warrior, and I agree . I never let them decide how I use terms , anyway.
It's just me...I have such a bad taste of the word democrat these days, and, I really have considered this country to be a republic .
Anyway, I do see we are all on the same page , really.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:53 PM
As for Putin, he is an authoritarian dictator by any definition and while I personally don't know the man I would consider him to be a bad person not worthy of following. However on sheer ability and his professed concern for the security of his nation I respect him as I would do any national leader. Just don't screw around with the US of A.
As for the Ukraine conflict I don't have a horse in that race and seriously question the involvement of certain American actors and NATO into the affairs of Ukraine. Does that make me a commie supporter of Putin? Only the stupid and politically bent could jump to that assumption.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:53 PM
down is up and up is down...fentanyl pours into the USA and the cities are going third world..crisis proportions. If we are the shining beacon for the world then that light is dim.
Posted By: hippie
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 06:55 PM
So this all boils down to me saying ill take our side over communism, and when asked to define our side my exact definition didn't suit?
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 08:09 PM
the whole world suffers because the players could not negotiate transferring land where most of the people wanted the transfer to happen?
Posted By: waggler
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 08:17 PM
Why do some of you guys still refer to Putin as a communist. It demonstrates a lack of understanding or knowledge. In case you missed it, communism no longer exists in Russia. The Soviet Union came to an end a few decades ago.
If you're seeking a pejorative term for Putin, try to find a better one than "commie".
Posted By: Blaine County
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 09:17 PM
Why do some of you guys still refer to Putin as a communist. It demonstrates a lack of understanding or knowledge. In case you missed it, communism no longer exists in Russia. The Soviet Union came to an end a few decades ago.
If you're seeking a pejorative term for Putin, try to find a better one than "commie".
Criminal? Corrupt? Murderer? Thief? Former POS Commie?
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 09:19 PM
hippie- If Putin's Russians end up over here, I'd be the first one shoulder to shoulder with you fighting back. But, I doubt it will be Putin's Russians kicking in your door to grab all your stashed ammo and reloading supplies. It will be folks who are much closer to home.
Now that you'd outed my secret of boot licking, can you send me one of your old pairs? I've heard that the central PA mud and other "stuff" on your boots is mighty tasty. Probably has more organic matter in it than my upland farm mud around here...
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 09:35 PM
Why do some of you guys still refer to Putin as a communist. It demonstrates a lack of understanding or knowledge. In case you missed it, communism no longer exists in Russia. The Soviet Union came to an end a few decades ago.
If you're seeking a pejorative term for Putin, try to find a better one than "commie".
Criminal? Corrupt? Murderer? Thief? Former POS Commie?
Probably all true but not my problem. Neither is Ukraine.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 09:38 PM
But some of y'all are hellbent on dragging us into the mess because the orange man bad for looking into just why a bunch of American political types were up to their neck in dirty unkrainian money.
Posted By: Blaine County
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 09/30/22 11:58 PM
But some of y'all are hellbent on dragging us into the mess because the orange man bad for looking into just why a bunch of American political types were up to their neck in dirty unkrainian money.
Who? I don't want to waste our money in Ukraine and couldn't care less if one group of Russians kills another group of Russians. I prefer they not do so, but they're all Russians to me. So, whatever.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 12:38 AM
I hear that uke submitted an 'accelerated' nato application....if they get accepted then nato would go to war against russian forces in uke the next day?
After Ukraine said it had submitted an "accelerated" NATO application, Biden warned, "I want to say this again. America is fully prepared with our NATO allies to defend every single inch of NATO territory... So Mr. Putin, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. Every inch."
Posted By: Boco
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 12:46 AM
Why do some of you guys still refer to Putin as a communist. It demonstrates a lack of understanding or knowledge. In case you missed it, communism no longer exists in Russia. The Soviet Union came to an end a few decades ago.
If you're seeking a pejorative term for Putin, try to find a better one than "commie".
Once a commie always a commie.
I guess you think Putins emulatory hero Stalin wasnt a commie either?,lol.
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 01:06 AM
Why do some of you guys still refer to Putin as a communist. It demonstrates a lack of understanding or knowledge. In case you missed it, communism no longer exists in Russia. The Soviet Union came to an end a few decades ago.
If you're seeking a pejorative term for Putin, try to find a better one than "commie".
Criminal? Corrupt? Murderer? Thief? Former POS Commie?
Where do you get your enlightenment? I don't think you know a thing about Putin other than what you are told, and happen to believe based on your own biased opinion.
I guess your accusations can be said for all goverments depending on who you talk to?
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 01:09 AM
Why do some of you guys still refer to Putin as a communist. It demonstrates a lack of understanding or knowledge. In case you missed it, communism no longer exists in Russia. The Soviet Union came to an end a few decades ago.
If you're seeking a pejorative term for Putin, try to find a better one than "commie".
Once a commie always a commie.
I guess you think Putins emulatory hero Stalin wasnt a commie either?,lol.
From what I have read, Putin despised communism due to the fact of it destroying his country. I think he's been trying to build a Russian national nation that wants a place at the table on the global front. But the USSA, EU, and NATO don't want him to have a say in "their world". They just want his resources. Prove me wrong.
Posted By: Blaine County
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 01:12 AM
Criminal? Corrupt? Murderer? Thief? Former POS Commie?
Where do you get your enlightenment? I don't think you know a thing about Putin other than what you are told, and happen to believe based on your own biased opinion.
I guess your accusations can be said for all goverments depending on who you talk to?
Unbelievable. Some of y'all are gay for Putin too. I guess you like the authoritarian types.
At least y'all stand by your men.
Putin is in fact a corrupt criminal who has killed and stolen. He is fact a former POS commie. Still a POS. These things were decided long before Trump said it was OK to also love Putin.
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 01:16 AM
Thank you for your praises.
I'll ask again, where do you get your enlightenment?
I've tried unpacking all this and consider myself a pretty good researcher and I can't find the evidence you claim. You must have special access to unknown information...?
Posted By: Blaine County
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 01:24 AM
Thank you for your praises.
I'll ask again, where do you get your enlightenment?
I've tried unpacking all this and consider myself a pretty good researcher and I can't find the evidence you claim. You must have special access to unknown information...?
You have the internet. Look it up.
What about Kim Jong Un, is he just misunderstood?
Seriously, this longing for authoritarian men to lead and protect y'all is disturbing and gross.
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 01:33 AM
I have looked it up, and don't find your claims to have any substance.
Are you comparing Putin to China's puppet in North Korea, why deflect?
If so, please let us all know the sources of your knowledge over the subject.
For your last comment, I will have you know that no one and I mean no one has authority over me other than Jesus Christ.
You comparing Putin to Kim is ridiculous. Kim is owned by China and does whatever they tell him to do; pretty much like Biden.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 01:39 AM
Because Orange man is evil everything thing BC says is correct.
You waste energy trying to argue anything else.
TDS is real.
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 01:48 AM
Agree Warrior. Always appreciate your posts.
Careful though; as BC will be arguing in court that we need authoritarian figures to help us draw our own conclusions!
Posted By: walleye101
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 01:50 AM
au·thor·i·tar·i·an
adjective
adjective: authoritarian
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
Would that be like a corrupt administration in power mobilizing their police (FBI, DOJ) to beat down their political opposition? Just asking.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 01:52 AM
an important piece of russian state property was sabotaged, lots of damage.
what would we do if that happened to us? Heck we destroyed iraq on a chance they had some wmd that was never found...I think over 500,000 iraqi casualties, the estimates differ...
Posted By: Blaine County
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 02:05 AM
au·thor·i·tar·i·an
adjective
adjective: authoritarian
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
Would that be like a corrupt administration in power mobilizing their police (FBI, DOJ) to beat down their political opposition? Just asking.
Of course it could be and some of these guys love it.
Not this guy.
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 02:15 AM
Marty, always appreciate your posts too; they make me think harder!
In the past, if that kind of sabotage would have been carried out on our infrastructure, I think we all know what may have happened. Today, I'm not so sure.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 02:18 AM
Thanks Chancey.
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 02:23 AM
au·thor·i·tar·i·an
adjective
adjective: authoritarian
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
Would that be like a corrupt administration in power mobilizing their police (FBI, DOJ) to beat down their political opposition? Just asking.
Of course it could be and some of these guys love it.
Not this guy.
Who here loves it? You seem to imply a lot in your posts. Again, you must have privileged information that us less intelligent are not privy to.
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 02:35 AM
I wonder how many confidential human sources are on this forum (or any such forums)? Make a good cover story or live the cover story and build lists. Hey, Blaine County, ever help a client file a FOIA on what data the fed gov has on them? If so, gives us a general synopsis of that situation. Thanks...
Posted By: walleye101
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 02:36 AM
au·thor·i·tar·i·an
adjective
adjective: authoritarian
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
Would that be like a corrupt administration in power mobilizing their police (FBI, DOJ) to beat down their political opposition? Just asking.
Of course it could be and some of these guys love it.
Not this guy.
Nor this guy, and it has to stop.
Posted By: rex123
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 02:39 AM
Some of you people on here are off your meds. I am old school so for give me if I don't use your proper terms but Putin is ex KGB and an old school commie. To be clear he is like something stuck to the bottom of your shoe. Please show me where I am wrong and I don't mean your You Tubers who will say or post anything to get you to click so they can make more money. Remember one thing if you lived in Putin land you wouldn't be saying what you do about his country. You would get that knock on the door you are always talking about.
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 02:55 AM
rex123- Sort of like this knock on the door? His attorney offered to have him voluntarily turn himself in but the DoJ dweebs said no because they wanted to send in Fat Boys International. More dramatic. Just wait until its "national emergency" time. Then they won't be so gentle.
https://readlion.com/2022/09/26/bid...s-children-in-guns-blazing-morning-raid/
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 02:55 AM
like the knock on maralargos door?
Posted By: walleye101
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 03:03 AM
At least it wasn't an old school commie that sent those thugs. It's the new home grown commie wannabes we got running the show here.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 03:09 AM
Some of you people on here are off your meds. I am old school so for give me if I don't use your proper terms but Putin is ex KGB and an old school commie. To be clear he is like something stuck to the bottom of your shoe. Please show me where I am wrong and I don't mean your You Tubers who will say or post anything to get you to click so they can make more money. Remember one thing if you lived in Putin land you wouldn't be saying what you do about his country. You would get that knock on the door you are always talking about.
Old school, there's your problem. Nothing on this side of the sod seems to fit nicely into cut and dried boxes.
Yes, Putin is ex KGB but is he currently a communist? Not by political party affiliation as of now. Looking back over his history I highly doubt he was ever a true believer as in Trotsky or Lenin. Party member, of course.
Do you happen to know just when and how his rise to the upper levels began?
No? He was Boris Yeltsin's right hand man following the failed party coup against Gorbachev. BTW, Yeltsin was a member of the communist party and politburo.
If I had to categorize Putin it would be an opportunistic oligarch without a firm economic philosophy such as socialism.
Now none of this is a defense of the man but more of a just what are we dealing with study of the problem.
If we are going to get out of these messes we the people are going to have to start studying and thinking rather than buying what we're told.
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 03:10 AM
Putin is no doubt ex KGB, but I don't think he is what you call a "commie."
Respectfully, to show you where you are wrong, you must look at how Putin treats and recognizes the Old Believers in his country. If he was a "commie" as you say, then he would never allow religious Christian doctrine with differing theologies to continue, if his country was still under Stalin/Lenin type rule that was tied to the Bolsheviks. Particularly sects of religion that were deemed unsuitable under his predecessors and sent into hiding. Not only has he allowed it; he is trying to promote religious diversity and nationalism to bring the people of Russian together.
He wears a cross on his chest that he never takes off. His mother traveled to the Holy land and in the past. He has tried to put his country and its resources into the global mix with also keeping strong nationalism. I think that is what a leader should do; rather than divide.
Posted By: Boco
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 03:13 AM
I wonder how many confidential human sources are on this forum (or any such forums)? Make a good cover story or live the cover story and build lists. Hey, Blaine County, ever help a client file a FOIA on what data the fed gov has on them? If so, gives us a general synopsis of that situation. Thanks...
I believe there are Russian commie plants here too.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 03:17 AM
Putin is no doubt ex KGB, but I don't think he is what you call a "commie."
Respectfully, to show you where you are wrong, you must look at how Putin treats and recognizes the Old Believers in his country. If he was a "commie" as you say, then he would never allow religious Christian doctrine with differing theologies to continue, if his country was still under Stalin/Lenin type rule that was tied to the Bolsheviks. Particularly sects of religion that were deemed unsuitable under his predecessors and sent into hiding. Not only has he allowed it; he is trying to promote religious diversity and nationalism to bring the people of Russian together.
He wears a cross on his chest that he never takes off. His mother traveled to the Holy land and in the past. He has tried to put his country and its resources into the global mix with also keeping strong nationalism. I think that is what a leader should do; rather than divide.
All this is true. He claims the Russian Orthodox faith as his own.
Again not a defense but his public words are those of a Russian patriot. However one could have said the same of Hitler or Yamamoto. I fear Putin's form of patriotism would have Russia restored to empire status in the worst case.
In the present case he found a western/NATO puppet on his doorstep untenable.
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 03:24 AM
Excellent point Warrior.
And touche'
In the beginning I think he just wanted a place at the table, and when the powers that be decided to kick him out of the table space, I think it very well ticked him off.
I do believe he is (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) bent on crashing the dollar. Which for this country and the peasants within it would be an act of war.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 05:24 AM
Yup, we in the west totally screwed up the end of the cold war.
Instead of welcoming and helping a free russia enter the modern world we allowed them to fall into an anarchy that gave rise to the oligarchs in both Russia and Ukraine. Then helped ourselves to the corruption of Ukraine while holding Russia at arms length.
To compound the issue instead of dissolving NATO in light of no longer having the Soviets to fight we instead expanded it right up to the very borders of Russia in Poland and the Baltic and then began playing in Ukraine.
What was Putin to think? Especially when all of his olive branches had been slapped down.
He asked to allow Russia to join NATO, he supported our Afghanistan mission by allowing transit through and use of Russian bases. Just to be treated so poorly.
Again, not a defense but an understanding.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 11:06 AM
Posted By: trapper les
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 02:38 PM
This is a BS article. Z is just a puppet, and all this support we (give) is just lining the pockets of Globalists, it's a way to bleed us by way of our congress.
That place needs nuked.
Globalists dont share the same values as Americans, ....and no amount of dilution of our population by illegals will make it so either.
Posted By: rex123
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 05:23 PM
First I don' need history lessons from any of you about your new hero Putin. Second some of you guys are like little kids in a tree house with your having all the answers but let me ask you one thing just how many times have you been wrong? First I remember talk about what the oath keepers were going to do turned out to be a nothing burger , then January 6th you all stayed home and fought it out on your computers. Then the big bad trucker strike nothing burger both of them Canada and U S. And then less we forget what about the three guys that hunted down and shoot that black guy in Georgia I believe was told by somebody then I didn't know what I was talking about wait until ALL THE FACTS were in. Ask those guys who were convicted how that turned out. One day I hope you get a chance to live under someone like YOUR HERO PUTIN.LOL
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 05:33 PM
I see now that TDS has progressed into a general hatred syndrome.
A perceived supporter of orangeman is hated in all of his ideas.
Hey here's one. I fully support Donald J Trump and believe that left wingers offing themselves is a very bad thing.
Run with it.
Posted By: trapper les
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 06:09 PM
I support Trump, too
Posted By: Boco
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 07:01 PM
Putin/Trump in 2024!
Posted By: Sharon
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 07:04 PM
Stop it, Boco, you'll get another vacation.
The big freeze is coming soon and guys will want to see more of your freeze dried skinning techniques....you need to be there to show them.
Posted By: Boco
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 07:15 PM
Stop it, Boco, you'll get another vacation.
The big freeze is coming soon and guys will want to see more of your freeze dried skinning techniques....you need to be there to show them.
A threat from Sharon cause I dont get in line?
Posted By: Sharon
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 07:20 PM
No, you miss my point , Boco. I've just been on here long enough to see the pattern that Mr Paul won't tolerate , and I'm TRYING to encourage you to be here to help others with those big freeze skinning techniques you have.
You know me better than that. I don't threaten anyone
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 08:35 PM
Spot on.
Most of the current crop of politicians lack a Churchillian knowledge of history and understanding of national psyche.
Ask any historian worth his salt of the history of Russia and how that created the Russian mindset and you'll learn the from the very beginning of their national consciousness they are inextricably tied to the Ukraine and specifically the Kieven Rus as this period is the very origin of the Russian conscious as an entity.
You'll also learn of Sweden and the Great Northern War or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the decades of conflict. Then there is the rise of Prussia and Frederick the Great and the conflicts to follow. All of these though horrific resulting in the deaths and destruction of millions of lives and infrastructure pale in comparison to what is to come. Napoleon, WWI and The Great Patriotic War, the latter still within living memory.
To the Russian mind only death and destruction can ever come from the west. Regardless of whether it is a Romanov, Politburo or Oligarch in power all threats lie to the west. And not just mild threats at that.
Couple this with the long history of political interactions with the west from before the time of Peter the Great to today. Peter as a leader was far far ahead of his time and knew the future lay in the west with the enlightenment mores and education and economies and pushed his nation kicking and screaming into the modern era and contact with the west just to be rebuffed and held at arms length. And again and again this would occur down the centuries, even after Russia plays a key role in the Coalition wars that ultimately defeated Napoleon at Waterloo. Just for Russia to be rewarded the short end of the stick by Metternich and The Congress of Vienna.
Just the above thousand years of history has shaped a psyche much different than that of the Anglo-American one or the Continental powers that trade with them. Russia has always been odd man out and has spilled far more of their own blood and treasure than any of us for it.
But to the orangeman mass psychosis types none of this matters as the current narrative fed spoon by spoon is the gospel truth.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 08:41 PM
Oh and for the mass psychosis crowd, Bill Bradley in the video is a Democrat.
He's one of your's, you gonna believe him or cancel him?
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 08:50 PM
Bocoloco.
Same/same just a different day.
Posted By: Catch22
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 08:58 PM
I am trying not to get mixed up in these kind of threads but, lol. Sometimes the old curiosity gets the cat. So, Warrior, are you saying that even though Russia has been nothing but evil in my lifetime, we should all go awe, they had a rough row to hoe so we should just hug and love on them?
Also, I can't decipher how your bringing Trump supporters into the equation???
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 09:08 PM
No, I'm not. By any measure the history of Russia is one of horrific despotic control of it's people and those they conquered.
My point is we think in economics and relationships they think in the whole world is out to kill me.
If we are ever to hope to change that we must see our actions through their eyes.
The whole walk a mile in their shoes thing.
Just how to put that in practice I do not know. Maybe a start would be a withdrawal from NATO and leave instructions for Europe to reach an equitable peace with Russia on their east.
But that is fraught with the danger of another pre-WWI chaos of independent states and influences.
All I know is you just cant keep beating a dog and not expect it to bite.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 09:11 PM
As for the TDS crowd I welcome you to go read their comments on this and other threads to find the common vein of Biden is for it so Trump must be bad for disagreeing. All dating back to a Democrat bought and paid for pack of lies called the Steele dossier that has eternally and falsely linked Trump as a pawn of the Russians.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 09:21 PM
And it may very well be that it is already to late for any sort of hopeful change. There's a whole lot of could've, would've and should've in the last three decades since the end of the cold war.
Posted By: Catch22
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 09:22 PM
Thank you Warrior, for the reply and explanation. I could say a lot of things but won't because they won't come to fruition, maybe 80 years ago, they would have. I will say that I don't believe we should "see our actions through their eyes" or any other Nations for that matter. I think we should start seeing things through our old eyes, clean up our own backyard before we go poking around in someone else's.
Putin is a grown man, if he wanted things different in a global setting, he'd have done so.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 09:40 PM
I don't think we are to far apart on that.
By old eyes I'm assuming a return to pre-WWI isolationism with us minding our business or confining it to just our hemisphere while hoping the 20th century has taught the European nations both how to get along and the costs of not doing so.
If so then I'm in total agreement. Not only are we not the global popo, to do so has shown nothing but resentment by many and to a state like Russia every move is regarded as a potential threat when it usually isn't.
However, I would keep a strong Anglo-American tie as history has twice shown that the British Isles are the much needed forward air base should things go south on the continent plus between her and her Commonwealth, Australia, we can control the oceans that are our natural moat.
Posted By: Blaine County
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 10:20 PM
These guys would love it!
Mexicans and Ukrainians watch out!
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 10:23 PM
See what I mean?
Mass Psychosis
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 10:26 PM
Question for the TDS crowd.
Do you still defend the Steele dossier as true and accurate information?
If so why? If not what exactly is your evidence of a Trump Putin tie?
Posted By: Boco
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 10:27 PM
No, you miss my point , Boco. I've just been on here long enough to see the pattern that Mr Paul won't tolerate , and I'm TRYING to encourage you to be here to help others with those big freeze skinning techniques you have.
You know me better than that. I don't threaten anyone
Just yanking your chain Sharon-I forgot the little smiley face.
Yea I forgot-No politics-------wait a minute----------?
Posted By: Catch22
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 10:32 PM
See what I mean?
Mass Psychosis
Well lol, your equating BC and Boco as the template. They are brothers from different Mothers and went to different Highschool's together.
Posted By: Sharon
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 10:33 PM
There needs to be bigger smiley faces on here .. I should have guessed that anyway ! Wondered why I heard rattling chain !
Posted By: Blaine County
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 10:35 PM
Question for the TDS crowd.
Do you still defend the Steele dossier as true and accurate information?
If so why? If not what exactly is your evidence of a Trump Putin tie?
You're mistaken. I am saying you want to be tied up by them. You like supposedly strong men and look past their obvious faults as long as they promise to protect you. And, you and many others, in fact, suffer from a mass psychosis. Just like the left.
As for all of your posts on this thread, you remind me of Kamala Harris. Words, words and more words jumbled together into a big stew of nonsense. In fact, I see her when I suffer through your posts.
I'm headed back to the reloading bench, Kamala.
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 10:38 PM
Reading is fundamental.
Words are hard for you, aren't they.
Is that why CNN is your only source?
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 10:40 PM
For anyone still interested in analysis of the actual war, maybe what this guy says happens in October or maybe he's full of crap. The autumn is usually wet in that part of Europe and generally hampers cross country movement of heavy vehicles.
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p...m_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=webTwo things are certain. Ukraine will continue to be an endless sucking black hole ringing up increasing digits on the U.S. government credit card. The Swamp creatures on either "side" in DC have no problem dumping billions and billions of non-existent U.S. taxpayers coin down that tube. The U.S. government support of the Kiev government won't be the only reason for the coming economic depression but it certainly won't help the economy from turning turtle.
The second sure thing, if the world holds together, is if you're in a mail-order bride mood, there will be lots more Ukrainian women to choose from next year and years after that. There will be far less Ukie male meat for the ladies to choose from as this war continues...
Posted By: warrior
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 10:41 PM
Hmm, maybe we now know.
BC feels threatened by strong men.
I think Freud had some interesting theories on that.
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/01/22 11:53 PM
I wonder what's he's reloading, some magnum rounds to take white-tail in Oklahoma...?
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/02/22 01:38 AM
Question for the TDS crowd.
Do you still defend the Steele dossier as true and accurate information?
If so why? If not what exactly is your evidence of a Trump Putin tie?
You're mistaken. I am saying you want to be tied up by them. You like supposedly strong men and look past their obvious faults as long as they promise to protect you. And, you and many others, in fact, suffer from a mass psychosis. Just like the left.
As for all of your posts on this thread, you remind me of Kamala Harris. Words, words and more words jumbled together into a big stew of nonsense. In fact, I see her when I suffer through your posts.
I'm headed back to the reloading bench, Kamala.
Comparing Warrior's posts to Kamala is laughable.
You remind me of Gavin Newsom; a very mean leftist that has what it takes to start a war and destroy a country.
I encourage you to keep reloading. You are going to need it.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/02/22 01:56 AM
Just remember....as bad as things are right now ...you can plan on it getting lots worse soon.
Unprecedented poo is happening all around the world...
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/02/22 02:02 AM
Point taken Marty. Its going to get much worse and in short order IMO.
Posted By: Marty
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/02/22 02:05 AM
Yes, no point arguing about things on here...if someone is not aware by now they are beyond hope. I bet we could get a list going...
Posted By: Chancey
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/02/22 02:20 AM
Ha! Do we start in alphabetical order with the letter B?!
Posted By: NonPCfed
Re: Holding Ground, Losing War - 10/02/22 10:20 PM
We'll see how the "space war" goes, although probably won't even know about it. From a comment on an international blog I follow.....
"Ukraine now has the worlds third largest military budget after the US and China. India comes fourth. At $85 billion (or 86, but what is one measly billion between friends), the greed of the various defense industries is at fever point.
Although, because the profitability of defense industries was normally based on selling cash cows to gullible citizens, it is now based on the ones that work.
We have seen a rapid and vast change in the tactics and means used on the battlefield. Notably the use of enhanced accuracy of artillery and MLRS/HIMARs, stand-off weapons (drones and missiles). Plus the introduction of a vast range of armoured vehicles. Plus the hiding of Ammunition/fuel dumps, and logistical supply lines.
One observation is that the US has a better oversight of the ground and has been able to call on things like Musk's starlink. Being distanced from the front line might have enabled the US "overstaff" the relative calm of retiring for the night to their respective cosy quarters with the gender of their choice.
The Russians claimed 70 military satellites and 250plus civilian ones are being used by the US. I reckon that something must be done about these if any form of operational surprise is to be had.
I just wonder if we will see the beginning of near space manoeuvres (Planes plus missiles) or lasers/E-vehicles in action?"