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Someone failed framing 101
Posted By: Chuckles84
Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 05:17 PM
Posted By: Lugnut
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 05:19 PM
They sure did!
Posted By: Lugnut
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 05:21 PM
I count at least four mistakes.
Posted By: Chuckles84
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 05:28 PM
I count at least four mistakes.
The things that caught my eye, and I am not a carpenter by any means, was the missing what I call jack studs and the wide spacing. Starting to think my mother in law is right, she says she thinks my house was a high school wood shop project in the mid to late 70s.
Posted By: white17
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 05:38 PM
Lacking two sill jacks, spacing is incorrect, (should be a trimmer all the way to the bottom plate supporting header), "header" is totally inadequate, insulation is so poorly done it may as well not be there, code requires that Romex be stapled within six inches of the box.
I wonder what other nightmares are hiding behind the insulation ?
Posted By: Oh Snap
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 05:42 PM
I count at least four mistakes.
I’ll add the insulation is installed wrong as well.
Posted By: 20scout
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 05:44 PM
That would have failed on several issues around here! Building inspector would have had a hayday with it!
Posted By: turkn8rtrapper
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 07:00 PM
If the color on the wire shielding is white then it is 14 gauge. Our inspectors down here on the coast would have just turned around and walked out. Ok so wrong size wire, spacing incorrect, header inadequate and missing cripples, if I'm looking at the photo correctly there is no cap plate on that outside wall, insulation is wrong, down here it's missing hurricane straps, I'd like to see how the sheet rocker is going to deal with the way the window is installed, he's gonna have issues with the stud spacing as well, on second thought I thing there is a cap plate but I'm wondering whats going on with the ceiling joist to get the sheet rock that low or it could be just loose hanging down. It actually looks like a mobile home re do.
Posted By: Boco
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 07:05 PM
Stachybotrys black mold on the insulation too.
Posted By: JTfromWV
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 07:31 PM
If the color on the wire shielding is white then it is 14 gauge. Our inspectors down here on the coast would have just turned around and walked out.
You used to be able to get 12awg with white sheathing. There also should be nail plates where the Romex goes through the studs.
Posted By: Pierce
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 07:36 PM
Same guy framed my place, apparently.
Posted By: Osky
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 07:38 PM
Meh! Rocker up were burning daylight!
Osky
Posted By: Jurassic Park
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 07:55 PM
Posted By: Oh Snap
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 08:03 PM
Carport converted to a bedroom with a very low budget!
Posted By: Crowfoot
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 08:10 PM
Still, built better than many in tornado alley and hurricane zones.
Ever take apart a mobile home ?
Posted By: Oh Snap
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 08:30 PM
I was hired to put egress windows in a 4 plex in Wasilla many years ago. There wasn’t 1 stud that I found when I opened the walls up. The studs were scabbed together short pieces of 2X4’s. The builder had I think it was over 30 buildings he had built and every time a big wind would come up a roof or 2 would let go. As I remember he finally was ran out of town!
Posted By: Savell
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 08:44 PM
... looks good to me
Posted By: adam m
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 09:37 PM
That guy was a pro compared to the Einstein who framed plumbed and wired my house
Posted By: Blaine County
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 10:01 PM
I built my hunting cabin. It is warm and dry and looks pretty good. It would definitely not pass code. I admit it.
Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 11:14 PM
I count at least four mistakes.
The things that caught my eye, and I am not a carpenter by any means, was the missing what I call jack studs and the wide spacing. Starting to think my mother in law is right,
she says she thinks my house was a high school wood shop project in the mid to late 70s.probably would have been better built if it had been our building construction instructor in HS wouldn't let anything out the door that wasn't right
you might see where it got pulled and re-nailed or an oddly cut piece of sheathing but lack of support or nails wasn't going to get out the door
they taught building construction making garden sheds
Posted By: Monster Toms
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/01/22 11:24 PM
Like they say "A little putty a little paint, will make a carpenter what he aint"
Posted By: goldnut
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 02:20 AM
I knew a framer like that. He always said "Let the finishers worry about it"
Posted By: Giant Sage
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 03:30 AM
12 pack and a # of nails
Posted By: mad_mike
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 03:31 AM
It looks fine, from my house.
Posted By: Oh Snap
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 04:08 AM
It looks fine, from my house.
Yep, once a carpenter always a carpenter!
Posted By: TRAPPER TOM
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 11:13 AM
don't know how old it is but it was still working!!! not what i would want BUT
Posted By: corky
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 11:38 AM
Take away the electric and insulation and that is my deer stand.
Posted By: newfox1
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 12:48 PM
We’re not building a church. You could always fix it , go get the sawzall.
Posted By: TraderVic
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 01:29 PM
Well, besides structural weakness (no headers) on a load bearing wall, etc., the window itself appears to be a slider window turned sideways to act as a double hung window (??)
Posted By: TRAPPER TOM
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 06:21 PM
Well, besides structural weakness (no headers) on a load bearing wall, etc., the window itself appears to be a slider window turned sideways to act as a double hung window (??)
you can't tell if there is a header or not behind the insulation. its a DH window not a slider from the looks of the sash locks. could be on a gable wall with trusses thus no bearing needed
Posted By: Oh Snap
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 06:50 PM
What I want to know is why is the wall opened up, remodel or what?
Posted By: the Blak Spot
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 07:07 PM
Y’all would down right ROFL if you saw the way I build stuff
Posted By: Mac
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 07:10 PM
Lacking two sill jacks, spacing is incorrect, (should be a trimmer all the way to the bottom plate supporting header), "header" is totally inadequate, insulation is so poorly done it may as well not be there, code requires that Romex be stapled within six inches of the box.
I wonder what other nightmares are hiding behind the insulation ?
Yup. There are a lot of guys that can buy a truck load of tools but only a few are carpenters.
Mac
Posted By: white17
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 07:27 PM
Well, besides structural weakness (no headers) on a load bearing wall, etc., the window itself appears to be a slider window turned sideways to act as a double hung window (??)
you can't tell if there is a header or not behind the insulation. its a DH window not a slider from the looks of the sash locks. could be on a gable wall with trusses thus no bearing needed
That is true that you can't tell if there is a header behind that insulation or not. But what we know for certain is that there are no 'trimmers' or cripples supporting a header if there is one hidden behind the insulation. We can see that there are only two full studs from the top plate to the bottom. Nothing to support a hidden header
Posted By: AntiGov
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/02/22 07:48 PM
Looks like the window was added later . Probably from the outside only
Original stud spacing was correct until Joe homeowner came along ?
Posted By: newfox1
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/07/22 12:07 AM
This was a cool framing project this week.
Posted By: Ol' Smoke
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/07/22 08:43 AM
Is the flat part of the rafter end to accomidate rain gutter? Looks nice.
Posted By: newfox1
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/07/22 10:03 AM
Smoke, the facia board fits in the notch on the top, owner says the house was built around ww1, I mactched what the previous carpenter did with most likely a coping saw, glad I had the dewalt.
Posted By: run
Re: Someone failed framing 101 - 10/07/22 10:32 AM
Sharp -looking carpenter work, newfox1.