Get ready to trap- Fur Market 22-23

Get ready to trap- Fur Market 22-23

https://youtu.be/9cXIquMLbK8

You mizzoura river fellas get your traps ready, That river is full of them.

That's depressing

Snare mark make a difference? Southern beaver more than hatters?

Here it is:



Keith

Always liked the guys that write a good check.If you’ve never sold to them when they say the truck will be there at 5.00 don’t get there at 5.01 as it may be gone,just sayin.Good job guys finding us a market.

Thanks

There was a time they’d throw a dollar figure out there for different sections.

doesn't sound that bad , will have to get after the beaver

Groney Rocks

The real money is in the castors

Did you notice that mink wasn’t even mentioned? Zero market? The price of gas to run a line? Someone better put us mink trappers on suicide watch:)

It's a start

Last year's prices?

I'm not overly excited...

Was that supposed to be encouraging, because it wasn't very enlightening?

Does anyone know what is going on with the renewed interest in beaver? Just the hatter market running out of inventory or is something else going on?

No prices and no carcass goods accepted; what's next? IOU's at the window?

GROENY ROCKS again !!!!

Sharpen your knives and plug in your freezers !!!!

walleyed

I'd say...don't trap again this year...and make them desperate next year.

Just like OPEC reducing output by 2 million barrels per day....is going to drive prices up.

A NO Brainer !

We control the prices....

So Smaahten up..

What do they specifically use the tails on deer for?

Guys tying flies for fishing

Agree with Nessmuck but at 76 gotta set a few when I can. lol

For those that believe what you just heard, that was nothing more than Groeny lip service. I’m sure he can use all the items he mentioned…doesn’t mean he’s going to pay for them. Production cost will again be above sale price this year…that’s what I heard between the lines. You’ll find that out in short order at the wagon.

Right on. Reduce the output and the prices will go up. But, there are trappers who say they will trap regardless of the price. They are partially responsible for the low prices.

Check ! and Check, check !
Time will tell.

I absolutely will be trapping. A low fur Market is what freezers are for. At 73 years of age I don't know how many more opening days I have left. Good luck to everybody that does trap.

"Targeting vulnerable older people through scamming is an abominable crime, which should receive much greater priority from our police and legal authorities."

Good observation dirt. Have fun on the Trap line if you go.

Good one Dirt! Ha!

I got more for GD DMG last sale than higher grades. Completely hatter driven say I.

This statement is not entirely true.
I trap to manage my RTL's and protect it (and my investment in it) from degradation.
If you put all the fur on the raw fur market your statement may be true to some extent.
Animals harvested for management that are not wanted on the raw fur market have alternative value,if you choose to process them at all.

I agree with Boco and Nessy. I'm not gonna trap this year. I'm gonna stay in and bake bread, learn how to sew and take up crocheting again. Plus, I have a gas washing machine motor to fix. I'm gonna be a cross between Betty Crocker and Mr Handyman.

Never have been a full time trapper and never will. I do trap a full day for a few weeks each year. I have put away the funds I plan to use for gas and supplies so I can trap as it has been good mental and physical theropy for me for several years. With the recent resurgance of gas prices I am guessing that there will be even fewer miles driven to catch fur than was thought about a month or so ago. Wow a moderate to longer WI coyote line with our type of coyotes would be a real money loser for sure. Good thing we have a lot of avid hunting groups that drive, stalk, call or chase them so the numbers to get some pressure.

Bryce

Everybody should read this than read it again.

Or Red Green and Rosie Grier lol

And this is why we bought the F150 Lightning. I can literally run my trap line for 5 dollars a day in "energy" costs. It has already saved me so much money during this hunting season. I will be getting one of the e bikes as well, but I need to ask a few more questions before I do that.

OR you could have bought an older truck and put the money in the tank. I drive a 99 cummins I paid 14k for

Assuming you paid cash 60k for your truck, that means I could buy 9600 gallons of diesel fuel for the cost difference

That would get me around 190,000 miles of driving and I don't have to worry about range or charging or overloading the energy grid with my 36 gallon diesel fuel tank

You don't have to deal with snow and severe cold that reduces your battery down to less than half of what your suppose to get.

Bout choked to death laughing so hard!

Not harvesting a product or commodity that the market does not want will not create enough scarcity to raise the price much, more likely not at all. Demand drives most commidity markets and part of the reason the optimsim for beaver is demand and the prices go up more likely due to the suppliers trying to encourage harvest as the suppliers want to handle more product. There are a multitude of reasons for harvesting populations to keep them at healthy levels but will spare those comments. We can and do what we feel is right for us regardless of the market we are given.

Bryce

Hey, there's nothing wrong with Rosie Grier. He is a 6'5 tough as nails football player and read those Judy Blume books in such a way to bring them to life. I bet if he were a trapper, he'd take this season off too!

Hi Bryce. Can you get down in the mud with me, I don't comprehend like I used to. I ask because I see a contradiction. Why is it that the suppliers are encouraging harvest as to handle more product, but yet that doesn't meet the criteria for supply and demand?

Groney has said the demand was up on hatter beaver for the last three or four years, until someone is at the wagon.

All of my coyotes are getting rolled vacuum packed and put in the freezer. Keep them off the market. As soon as they run out. They will pay us back for the high fuel prices. If you get what I mean. 🙂

I did not say that I like the way business is done, but it is the way many do operate and for those that respond due to money be that low or high then their pitch works. For those of us that mud on not so much. I will state however that my dry land lines have shrunk considerably over the last 4-6 years but as much with increased time searching for and trapping rats as not trapping at all.
If Bezos can be worth a trillion and not pay any taxes I don't feel too bad losing some dollars doing something that I find enjoyable and I don't believe me catching 50-60 coons is causing your opportunities to stay low, not with a few million in the store houses waiting yet today. For those not trapping now it may be good that you are learning not to as there may well be a long tunnel yet to go.
Bryce

Better to lose money on Trapping Hunting and Fishing than lose it on Hookers Booze and Gambling.
Maybe not as much fun but way healthier.

A lose , lose prop.... not for me.

Regardless of the market I have beaver to catch. Skinning or ditching them is the question?

Well I’ve got things to trap here whatever the prices are. I’ve blown money on way worse my whole life…like Husker games, fancy fishing crap, fast food, you name it.
At least trapping is fun.
Jim

I eat em'.
And have fun catching a few.
Win, win

I have a 2004 F350 CCLB 6.0 Powerstroke with 260k, a 2016 F150 SuperCrew, 3.5L ecoboost, and a 1997 Toyota Avalon. It's really not a concern about overloading the energy grid, but if you consider the price to drive the electric truck cost .02 cents per mile vs my other vehicles which are right at .30 cents per mile(not the avalon). Just depending on how much you drive is what is the deciding factor if it's worth it to you or not honestly, I have hunted twice a day since the opener(20 days approx, 50 miles each trip), and I would have got crushed in fuel prices had I had to buy diesel or gas.

@20 Scout. I'm not sure if it's that drastic, but I do agree that I would think differently if I lived in NY still.

You guys who are arguing against holding onto the fur this year just baffle me. When is one year when the majority of trappers got together and held a majority of the fur? We are literally the only industry that doesn't engage in supply and demand and instead just have been marching blindly since 1980 in hopes that fur prices will go back up. I'm trapping full time this year again, but I am planning to try something different with half of the fur this year. The math just doesn't work out especially with high fuel costs for somebody to drive to pickup furs and then to resell them.

LOL.....

I'm still trapping this year. I'll sell my fur no matter what as I have nowhere to store it for all the guys who are going to store it, good for you. I enjoy trapping and it gives me something to do.

I agree that losing money trapping is a lot better than setting at home grumpy that I’m not out trapping. my wife says she doesn’t want to put up with my attitude in the winter when I’m not trapping.

I agree with Crowfoot. I will be trapping beaver this year, primarily for the meat....and I really enjoy doing it.

Moosetrot

Alway loved trapping and discussions years ago I said I never did it for the money. I did not do it for the money. This year going to take my hill bow and mess around in the woods. Shoot a Turk or deer a doe I hope and stump shoot. Bird view and enjoy my days in the woods. There a shortage of everything to raise prices but not fur so that’s my plan. Around here beef is not fit to eat and a doe is definitely much better. When it pouring down rain in morn I just get up and watch bird feeder. Heck to get old but under these situations I at least got a plan. Good luck to you trappers. I been in all the years to present

Sounds blissful!

I say go ahead and trap but I agree 100% with that statement. The bottom line is that those who wish to buy the fur must be willing to pay cost of production plus a reasonable wage to those who produce the fur. If they don’t pay what it costs plus a wage, they are taking advantage of those who are just trying to get out and have some adventure. So I guess I would say trap what you want/need for your own use, but do not sell at under cost of production - unless you are comfortable subsidizing the businesses that are making money using that fur as a feedstock for their products. They make money, you lose money. Maybe the hat maker is your buddy, or maybe you just want to subsidize any business that uses fur, everyone has their personal angle, but I do agree that the buyers need to pay cost of production plus a wage if they really expect to have a reliable supply chain for the fur. Trap away folks, but it is just “taking what they’re giving” to sell fur under production cost. I cant bring myself to do it. I can’t afford to do it.

Edit : I also think that the businesses who rely on fur as a feedstock need to be aware that without the producers of that fur earning a fair wage, numbers of trappers dwindle, trapping as a whole suffers, and we lose more battles. Ultimately it is a threat to their business and their income as well. hsus certainly understands that.

Walleye, he wants a look at your shearable beaver with hopes of buying at hatter prices…don’t believe me? Take the to his truck and find out for yourself!

Ok so I don’t understand folks that are giving these guys a hard time. They are one of the few left keeping a market going for you guys. And you are knocking them. If you don’t want to use them fine don’t. But please stop the negative. Mama use to tell me “if you don’t have something good to say keep your mouth shut you might just learn something.” I appreciate him coming on and giving us something to look forward to. For all the negative that is out there. He has the best information I’ve heard in a long time. Thank you Sir for the update.

You’ve never met Guy, have you.

I'm pretty sure groeny can survive making money off the byproduct of your fun or adc work just like he does off your deer hides.

with the mississippi and and a lot of other rivers so low i wonder if trapping beaver is a good thing might be worth a lot more alive

My take on fur prices. I am a real trapper. I don't trap for just the money side of it. I enjoy trapping.

Who is anyone to control our enjoyment or lives? Enjoy the time in the field

Fur will be big in Europe next year. High heating costs will see to that.

I think you missed my point. Buying a new truck for 60k did not save you anything on fuel. It cost you 60k. If you financed it is costing you a good bit more

If the cost difference per mile is 28 cents, you would have to drive your new truck 2,142,857 miles to make it pay for itself. See how it doesn't add up??

Now if you sold all of your other vehicles to buy this it would be a different story, then you would be saving. But adding it to your fleet and claiming it is saving you money? I think not

Don't have an electric truck or a fleet of trucks but i will still trap Looking back on the last 50 years I trapped a lot of low dollar fur

Simple solution: Don't sell to him if you don't want to.

Groeny has several other enterprises that can keep their firm operating. Not moving fur consumes a lot of capital but then being able to buy at lower end prices makes holding fur less costly to a point and for a certain time frame.
Sometimes fur can be sold at a loss to lower profits in other business sectors, but most businesses don't like selling at a loss if they can avoid doing so.

Fur is one of the few unregulted commodities in the USA and when we have long periods of low returns many don't like what capitalism does. Some of our major markets happen to be markets where governments have much to say about how businesses function or operate. Most of us do not agree with how China deals with COVID but then there is almost nothing we can do about their policies and neither can most of their buyers and brokers.

Bryce

China will have to open up here pretty soon or they will be replaced. Many companies are looking at different countries to manufacture in, India and Viet Nam to name a couple.