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Posted By: Gulo

Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 03:56 PM

To really understand the predators, whether they are furbearers, big game, or raptors, one must understand their prey. Through the years, I've done a lot of work on marten, mink, and owls, thus, to understand their prey base, I've done thousands of trapnights for small mammals, along with lots of work on marmots, squirrels and rabbits. Even to this day, I still do lots of small mammal trapping to keep my finger on the pulse of food availability for coyotes, foxes, and marten. All those hundreds of samples go to a museum.


The northern red-backed vole is the "meat-and-potatoes" for marten and boreal owls in Alaska.
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Shrews (this one a vagrant shrew) are common in the diet, but don't add up in terms of percentage of the diet.
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One hoary marmot is several meals for the smaller predators.
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(Come on Sharon; Can't wait to see your selection of artwork.)

Jack
Posted By: RdFx

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 04:15 PM

The red back vole is meat tators for Wis Marten also. I was involved in box trapping marten fm Mn to add to Wi Marten genes. We have some cross over of Mi. marten to Wi and vice versa for gene sharing. Trapped a all orange marten in Mn. but left in Mn.
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 04:21 PM

Red back voles are also instrumental to forest health as they feed on and spread truffle spores throughout the coniferous zone. Truffles have a symbiotic relationship to trees.
Posted By: Gulo

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Red back voles are also instrumental to forest health as they feed on and spread truffle spores throughout the coniferous zone. Truffles have a symbiotic relationship to trees.



I wasn't aware of that, peeler. Very interesting. Thanks for the education today!

Jack
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 04:43 PM

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I hope you excuse my intrusion on the thread but thought I'd share a photo of a mountain beaver (Aplodontia) to go along with your foto-friday. They are famous for being host to the largest fleas out there.
Posted By: Gulo

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 04:48 PM

BP - Thanks, man! That sure seems to be a light-colored Boomer. Thanks for adding the photo. Those fleas are impressive; I have a vial of 'em around here somewhere.

Jack
Posted By: MJM

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 04:57 PM

There were voles on Rootok Island. I have never been anywhere that they were that thick. They had trails you could see for quite a distance. We never had a problem with them getting into our food. We put different types of food out and saw never saw a sign of them eating any of it. I was scared it would be a problem, when we first got there and I saw all the vole trails. Avatanak island was less than two miles from Rootok and there were no voles on it.
Posted By: white17

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 05:10 PM

The first year on my trapline the voles were so thick that their noises kept me awake at night. All that squeaking...............you would think that remaining quiet would be a better form of defense
Posted By: Sharon

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 05:20 PM

Jack, sure wish I had some voles and shrew images. I like the looks of voles, and have you seen shrews wiggle that snout ? grin I think they're funny in their super hyped attention span.

On the other hand wink I do have some prey images in the varmint rodent realm , on occasion asked for from editors. Some aren't exactly mice, but I figure they're in the family, so I included those.

The packrat with his stolen ladle was a real character that I played an experimental "game" with for some months. He would steal my gardening tools and stash them in his hut, and I would dig in there and take them back. He would wait a couple days, then steal them out of my shed again. I would dig into his house and take them back. Once in a while I'd see him on my woodpile staring at me with a rather disgusted expression grin We played this game until he thought he would chew on my cabin to gain access inside. I guess since he saw me tearing into his hut to retrieve my stolen stuff, he thought the rules were fair for himself to do the same. I ended up having to end the game with use of a rat trap. Once he began chewing , he wouldn't quit.

Thank you, sir Jack, for your share of everything. Every detail studied, large or small, is a fascinating education in appreciation of the natural world.

EXCEPT fleas , lice, ticks, or scorpions.
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Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 05:25 PM

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You're right Jack, that was a very blonde one. More typical is the one on the right.
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 05:52 PM

What about yellow cheek voles, gulo? Hear about those after a fire.
Do you have specific areas you trap for microtines and has that trapping proved to forecast high or low fur catches?
White, how many times have you had a little guy run over your face in the middle of the night?
Posted By: white17

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by martentrapper
What about yellow cheek voles, gulo? Hear about those after a fire.
Do you have specific areas you trap for microtines and has that trapping proved to forecast high or low fur catches?
White, how many times have you had a little guy run over your face in the middle of the night?

LOL That really ticks me off !

In a wall tent one year my buddy was skinning a marten and a vole ran up the leg of his Carhartt bibs. On the inside. He dropped the knife and was grabbing every where in those overalls !! What a hoot !!
Posted By: 30/06

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 07:52 PM

I can speak from first-hand experience, those little buggers have cold feet!
Posted By: Sharon

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 08:05 PM

I could handle voles in my tent, but no way mice or rats. I don't want any varmints , but if I had to choose , I would deal with voles. Pikas would be ok...like wee rabbits to pet grin

No cold feetzies !!
Posted By: Tray

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 08:33 PM

Agouti or Gibnut from Central America.
Called the Queens rat in Belize as it was served at a meal to the Queen of England and she loved it and requested more.

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Posted By: Gulo

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by white17
The first year on my trapline the voles were so thick that their noises kept me awake at night. All that squeaking...............you would think that remaining quiet would be a better form of defense



white17 -

Were they singing voles (Microtus miurus)??
Posted By: Chancey

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 10:21 PM

Wow! Awesome pics....., and drawing Ms. Sharon. So cool to see a mountain beaver. I've only read about them!
Posted By: Chancey

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 10:24 PM

Grasshopper mouse.
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Posted By: Chancey

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/18/22 10:43 PM

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Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 12:09 AM

That's great shot Chancey!

BTW, I had agouti for thanksgiving of 1984 while living the Ecuadorian amazon. I'm with the queen, I always wanted seconds too. Tastes like a cross between turkey and pork.
Posted By: white17

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Gulo
Originally Posted by white17
The first year on my trapline the voles were so thick that their noises kept me awake at night. All that squeaking...............you would think that remaining quiet would be a better form of defense



white17 -

Were they singing voles (Microtus miurus)??


Pretty sure they were not Singers. They were a lot smaller than M. miurus


They might have been Microtus bigmouthus
Posted By: Catch22

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 01:45 AM

I give credit to where it's do. This to me is nothing short of spectacular. Wonderful.

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Posted By: Northof50

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 01:48 AM

Beeverpeeler PM me so we can get some of those fleas in the collection to the University of Manitoba.

When you do small mammal trapping you can always see the different coloured scat green= meadow voles, black was Red backed because of all the fungi eaten, smell in the scat was a Short tailed shrew
Posted By: Giant Sage

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 01:56 AM

If that's Purslane that vole has good taste.
Posted By: Sharon

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 02:16 AM

I didn't know voles could sing. If Microtus bigmouthus is anything like the Grasshopper mouse, that would be something to hear
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N50, you nevah disappoint !

Thanks Catch. Not Jack's marmots but a close cousin.
Posted By: beaverpeeler

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 02:46 AM

There's actually two species of oversized fleas that mountain beaver are hosts to. It takes an expert to tell them apart but I think both are about the size of a grain of wheat.
Posted By: Northof50

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 04:24 AM

We have some larvae of those fleas species but not the slide mounted specimens
Posted By: Gulo

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by martentrapper
What about yellow cheek voles, gulo? Hear about those after a fire.
Do you have specific areas you trap for microtines and has that trapping proved to forecast high or low fur catches?
White, how many times have you had a little guy run over your face in the middle of the night?


martentrapper -

Yes yellowcheeks can be quite abundant after a good fire. Even then, they seem to be in pockets.

At least in Interior Alaska, I tried to get at least a thousand trapnights (museum special snaptraps) in at least 15 diffferent areas to give me an idea of abundance of voles. Found out after a couple of years that it was not needed to have lots of different areas. The Microtine highs and lows were widespread. That is, if vole numbers were high on the Steese, they were high in Salcha, in Minto, on the Richardson. If they were low, it again was throughout. Didn't need so many trapnights over many areas; one or two areas with 200-250 trapnights each gave a good abundance guesstimate. And yes, the relative vole abundance usually gave an abundance prediction for marten (though not always). More important for the marten was looking at total yoy:adult female ratios in the prior years' catch.

Clear as mud?

Jack
Posted By: Sharon

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 06:41 PM

Thank you, Jack, I have always thought voles were in their own little realms, apart from mice , shrews, and those hopper mice , or jumping rats .

I don't know what kinds I've had here or when I lived in N. Idaho . I could have learned a lot from you back then, on the spot.

Years ago, I worked at a plant nursery , in N. Idaho, my co-workers and owner always dealt with intruders who would dig out trays of seedlings, pots , the roots dug up, and the occasional mouse that was half chewed up. No one knew what was going on, so as I worked there, I looked into the varmints I saw caught in the traps.

It was fun detective work for me. And I thought the owner would like to know, so he could target his success better in eradicating them.

Every mouse, vole and shrew caught, I lined up on a board . I knew of voles liking to dig in roots and leaves to harvest. And mice to eat seed, grain, and anything else they find. And shrews....the mini weasels, to hunt them all.

I identified house mice, deer mice, shrews ( don't know what species), and voles, who all were the same colour.

I showed the owner, who immediately gathered his whole crew to see the board catch and listen. I explained each one and to the best of my knowledge, tell them what they like and how better to hopefully target them in traps. That voles were likely the culprits to dig into pots and chop up roots and leaves . Mice digging into seed trays for those, and possibly voles also. Shrews who mainly wanted the protein by predating on the ones in the traps.

There was a huge blackboard in the main building that was used every day for scheduling . I drew each rodent in some detail on the board, and labeled them under each image. The owner left those illustrations on that board for a long time.

Your explanations of vole highs and lows are quite clear. Thank you, I learn all the time.
Posted By: Northof50

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/19/22 10:35 PM

Early snows help the red back population as it is insulation for them and the leaf litter does not freeze. Now a wet snow and freezing is a death sentence for them. Deer mice go topour at -10c and start to move when it gets warm. shrew populations follow 2 years after a high in microtones highs. Slower reproduction.
We have had 12 inch snow falls early and the meadow voles reproduce through the winter, especially if there is crop residue for them to feed on.
Posted By: Gulo

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/20/22 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Northof50
Early snows help the red back population as it is insulation for them and the leaf litter does not freeze. Now a wet snow and freezing is a death sentence for them. Deer mice go topour at -10c and start to move when it gets warm. shrew populations follow 2 years after a high in microtones highs. Slower reproduction.
We have had 12 inch snow falls early and the meadow voles reproduce through the winter, especially if there is crop residue for them to feed on.


Yes. Nof50. Early insulation certainly helps the small mammals. On the other hand, populations can be devastated by mid-winter thaws. If a February Chinook blows through (warm winds), and the snow column thaws all the way to the ground/snow interface, a major death event happens. I've seen vole populations decimated (from 40 captures per 100 trap nights, to one capture per 100) with a single Chinook.

Jack
Posted By: spotter

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/20/22 06:22 PM

I was in small cabin after a long day and in the middle of the night I felt something on my face. At first I thought it was a drop of water hitting my face. The wood stove had warmed the cabin up and as it was fifty below I thought it had warmed up the roof and it was leaking melted snow. I layed there, and in a bit something ran across my face. I turned on my headlamp and saw dozens of the little buggers all through the cabin. I got up and for an hour tried to kill them. Went back to the bed and finally fell asleep. When I woke up the next morning and was making coffee, I saw one crawl out of my sleeping bag that I had just been in. Dang infestation.
Posted By: Gulo

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/20/22 06:42 PM

We used to sit at night in a cabin (in Alaska). 6-8 small chunks of beaver meat or dry-fish on the floor. Beer (or whiskey) in hand. Lights off. Have Bic pen barrel at the ready, along with "darts" with masking tape around sewing needles the diameter of the Bic pen "blow-gun". Turn on the headlamps and try to pin the shrews to the floor with the dart. Great fun!

Jack
Posted By: white17

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/20/22 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Gulo
We used to sit at night in a cabin (in Alaska). 6-8 small chunks of beaver meat or dry-fish on the floor. Beer (or whiskey) in hand. Lights off. Have Bic pen barrel at the ready, along with "darts" with masking tape around sewing needles the diameter of the Bic pen "blow-gun". Turn on the headlamps and try to pin the shrews to the floor with the dart. Great fun!

Jack



I was skinning in the tent at Plastic lake when a yellow cheek climbed up through the wood pile. A quick flick of the wrist pinned him to the wood with my Camillus 20.

Doesn't take much to entertain trappers......apparently

Jack, can you quantify the lag between microtine highs/lows with a similar response in marten ?
Posted By: Gulo

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/20/22 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by white17
Jack, can you quantify the lag between microtine highs/lows with a similar response in marten ?


Ken -

No, I wish I could. I do know that in Alaska, a catastrophic freeze-out in early spring will result in a lower proportion of YOY marten in the harvest the following season. On the other hand, a big upswing in the small mammals (especially red-backed voles) doesn't seem to influence marten numbers in the subsequent year, but may bring a partial upswing in marten the following year. Why the delayed response? I have absolutely no idea. By the time 2 years have gone by, I think that there are enough variables that we can't quantify, that I was unable to sort out the cause/effect. In SE Alaska, the bonanza of available food in the form of winter-killed deer in the spring, I believe, would offset the mouse population declines, leading to high survival rates of neonates. Obviously, this cannot happen in Interior Alaska or here in Idaho. My current theory in Idaho (needs major refining and additional years of study) is that mouse/vole populations are greatly influenced by amount of summer moisture. My catches of these "sagebrush marten" that I live with, seems to vary in relation to moisture. No rain and/or light snowpack, no marten. Good rains, good mouse/vole numbers, decent marten. However, where I trap (lowlands) the marten are all dispersers (I catch no adult females; almost all YOY males).

Jack
Posted By: white17

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/21/22 06:03 PM

I suspect that RBV population events would have more negative impact the closer they occur to parturition in marten pops. Might be pretty significant to have wet neo's at the same time as the RBV's drown in their holes

In SE AK do you think that the availability of high calorie grub on the beaches can offset the risk of death to neo's from wet hypothermia ? How do those SE marten compare in body fat with interior marten ? Comparison would assume the same method of capture in both locations I would think. Pretty hard to get that data unless you trap them yourself to control variables.
Posted By: Gulo

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/21/22 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by white17
In SE AK do you think that the availability of high calorie grub on the beaches can offset the risk of death to neo's from wet hypothermia ? How do those SE marten compare in body fat with interior marten ? Comparison would assume the same method of capture in both locations I would think. Pretty hard to get that data unless you trap them yourself to control variables.


No, I suspect that if the neonates get wet, game over (but I'm just guessing).

In body fat, the SE marten are, on average, significantly fatter than interior marten (or these Idaho marten). Every so often, one is caught that is quite impossible to skin through the mouth, it has so much subcutaneous fat. Some of them are actually roly-poly. My experience in SE is limited to Chichagof and Baranof Islands.

Jack
Posted By: white17

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/21/22 08:02 PM

Are they fatter because their energy budget is less demanding due to warmer temps or just better food ? I would think our greater snow depth would be beneficial in conserving heat and lowering caloric requirements as opposed to dealing with wet fur all winter
Posted By: Sharon

Re: Photo Phriday 68 - 11/21/22 08:28 PM

I recall a similar subject a long time ago on these things, and T4ever, who is in SE AK, contributed to some very good info from his years of experience also. His marten are among the best and prettiest I've seen to date. Maybe he will see this subject too .
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