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Posted By: Marty

This is interesting. - 01/08/23 04:59 PM

"So, if I ask the question of [Defense] Secretary [Lloyd] Austin, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff [Mark] Milley, if I ask you, general, what are you going to do when the 25th Amendment is violated? Oh, you don't know what the 25th Amendment is. How about, what are you going to do when the 12th Amendment's violated? Oh, you don't know that one. Let me go to the base document. What about Article II, Section 1, clause 2 or Article I, Section 4? Most of these people are going to look at you like deer in the headlights — have no clue what you're talking about," he remarked.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...mp;cvid=b2c896e323c34105a2139a5d69ea3135
Posted By: danny clifton

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 05:22 PM

It sure seems like the military is deliberately being weakened. This idea that mental illness is really sanity scares me. The idea that the constitution is just a historical document, no longer valid is problematic too. It all boils down to the fact that our government is full of people who don't believe they should be constrained by law.
Posted By: newfox1

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 05:28 PM

Currently our administration is a joke, we need some leadership for sure, Tucker usually tells it like it is.
Posted By: NonPCfed

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 05:30 PM

Maybe they'll act if Sniffy strokes out on live TV. Maybe...
Posted By: Marty

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by danny clifton
It sure seems like the military is deliberately being weakened. This idea that mental illness is really sanity scares me. The idea that the constitution is just a historical document, no longer valid is problematic too. It all boils down to the fact that our government is full of people who don't believe they should be constrained by law.



^yup.
Posted By: white17

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Marty
"So, if I ask the question of [Defense] Secretary [Lloyd] Austin, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff [Mark] Milley, if I ask you, general, what are you going to do when the 25th Amendment is violated? Oh, you don't know what the 25th Amendment is. How about, what are you going to do when the 12th Amendment's violated? Oh, you don't know that one. Let me go to the base document. What about Article II, Section 1, clause 2 or Article I, Section 4? Most of these people are going to look at you like deer in the headlights — have no clue what you're talking about," he remarked.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...mp;cvid=b2c896e323c34105a2139a5d69ea3135



I am probably missing something here but neither the question nor the guy asking it impresses me. First of all, Milley has no Constitutional or statutory authority to do anything concerning either the 25th or the 12 Amendment. Nor does he have any authority to exercise operational control of the military. He is subordinate to the president, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of the Army

Austin would be involved in the use of the 25th but any "violation" ( whatever that might be) is the responsibility of Congress to jointly address. Not the Secretary of Defense or the CJCS.


For a so-called "constitutional attorney" to pose that question, makes me have serious doubts about the guy.

Ivan doesn't impress me. Spend 25 years active and only a Lt Col. ?? Something is not right somewhere.
Posted By: Marty

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 06:09 PM

Didn't miley conspire with another government and the speaker of the house against the sitting potus? Or did I misunderstand that situation?
Posted By: white17

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 06:20 PM

We know he called his Chinese counterpart. I'm not sure whether that constitutes conspiracy or not. It certainly has nothing to do with the 12th or 25th amendments.
Posted By: Marty

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 06:27 PM

Yes, but there is more in that article than those amendments. I may have picked the wrong item to copy/paste.

If I understood correctly miley called the chinese to warn of a potential military action by the usa. That would be treason, I think but I am no expert. I believe pelosi was also involved in that, but I may be mistaken.

My point would be that he did not regard the sitting potus as cic at that point in time if he worked against him.
Posted By: white17

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 06:34 PM

I didn't watch the interview with Tucker but I read the transcript and a bio on Ivan.

What I recall is that Milley told the Chinese that he would alert him if an attack was imminent. That certainly seems out of line to me but since there is no state of war, I don't know whether that would rise to 'treason' or not. I don't recall involvement of Pelosi
Posted By: Sharon

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 06:36 PM

That's correct Marty. I saw that when it was first shown . Several times, from different sources in news that showed his quotes .

He promised the Chinese he would contact them to let them know ahead of time of an impending US action.

It was easy to hear about in news sources and document links at that time. It's been a while now, without a peep mentioned of it. I do remember.

No excuse for a so called “general” to behave this way.
Posted By: Mike in A-town

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 06:50 PM

I'm thinking if I was flying a B-52 out of Guam and this joker called ahead of me to warn the enemy that I was inbound... If I made it back alive, he and I would have a Come-to-Jesus moment and I would take my chances with a court martial for it.

Mike
Posted By: white17

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
I'm thinking if I was flying a B-52 out of Guam and this joker called ahead of me to warn the enemy that I was inbound... If I made it back alive, he and I would have a Come-to-Jesus moment and I would take my chances with a court martial for it.

Mike


I agree Mike . On the other hand, I seem to dimly recall the US giving notice of intention to strike certain targets before the fact. I just can't remember specifics. That still doesn't meet the threshold of treason.

I think a better example would be Ted Kennedy trying to help the Russians prevent Reagan from installing nukes in western Europe AND John Kerry having private talks with the North Vietnamese in Paris while still in uniform. Definitely a candidate for hanging IMO
Posted By: Marty

Re: This is interesting. - 01/08/23 07:24 PM

You make good points as always, White.
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