Incompetent carpenter, shed update 2

Here's where we stand. I had hoped to be way further along but the weather has been tough. On nice days I work so I haven't had a ton of time to work on it. I did sheath the roof with plywood, we will put ice and water on it when it gets warm enough to apply, for now it's temporary tar paper which will be removed. Perlins will go on sheathing and tin on that. What do you guys think so far?

Awesome!! Sounds like you got her.

Looks good!
I’d run a couple 6” or better screws up thru the wall top plates and into that cross header you have there. If those walls can never spread the peak of course will not sag down. You may have already done it and it doesn’t show.

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Im no carpenter but I would put another cross tie or 2 and would nail them directly to the rafter, also I dont understand putting purlins over the sheeting.

Thank you, I will do that, I have it screwed in pretty good but a dollar worth of long screws is cheap insurance.



I was going to put two more crossties in, right at each end, I'm hoping that's enough?

Putting Purlins on then tin on those to hopefully keep the moisture out due to the temperature differential. I was afraid if we put the tin directly on the sheathing it would cause the sheathing to rot due to the temperature differential creating condensation.

Your end walls act as ties, I would split the difference. a third of the way and two-thirds. nail directly to rafter and top plate. Maybe even double them if you are going to hang stuff from them. You will trap air in perlins nailed horizontal with no way to ventilate. Maybe TP then 1 or so styrofoam and steel right on top. screws that stick through would show frost though. Just spitballin.

Id put a couple more 2x's from side to side and throw a piece or two of your left over plywood up there... Keeps the sides from spreading and gives you a ton more storage.

Looks very good from here....

Oriented Strand Board ??? What happened to using Plywood?

I had the strand board so just ran with it.


I'm doing my best to not store stuff in here. I have a shipping container for storage and just need a work shop. The only reason I don't want more 2x is because it will obstruct the tv I think.

If you’re going to put snow and ice shield on it put your tin on the roof deck, screw it in the flats.

Cutting your rafter tails is easier before you put your roof sheathing on but then that's not nessasary if your not putting on any facia and soffit.

On my side of the country, wind is the problem. Tie everything together very well to prevent your roof from lifting.

X2 on the advise against horizontal purlins and tin. If you must use horizontal purlins, Ice and gutter guard the entire roof and a ridge vent at a minimum will help. The ridge vent will allow some airflow thru the ribs of the tin and the ice and gutter guard will prevent water from soaking into the OSB. Metal is an excellent conductor of heat/cold which leads to condensation and can cause water to show up in unexpected places.

Do you plan on insulating this building?

Looks like a window framed in the back . Don’t know where your at or the neighborhood but a window in the back is a doggy door for a thief. You still have to put lights in it forget the window !!

Unless that’s where the wall unit ac is going

I find it easier to run the bird blocks before the sheeting , but you can still do it

I planned on doing ice and gutter on the entire roof. I do plan on insulating the building. I thought this is what people told me to do but I may have misunderstood.

I'm not worried about a their going through the window, I'm very rural and that is where the window ac unit will go and the winter coyote bait pile will be 100 yards behind that window.

If your putting an ac unit in it forget the window save your money. Just get the unit cut the hole for it . What I did on both sides of mine. One less expense . But your building your money .

Got the window for free and I need it to shoot coyotes off my bait pile. Wife was angry last time a .22 mag was fires from the house and terrified the baby.

looks good so far ,, how are you going to finish off the inside ceiling ? this will tell you what you need to do on roof ?

Wood paneling or sheetrock. I'm very open to suggestions, I'm trying to do this right without knowing much about building from the ground up. Most of my building experience has been fixing something that already exist

Ask 10 guys how to build something and get 10 different answers. I can tell you a couple of way that did not work so well for me. I think the roof you are putting on will succeed where mine failed.

A better way to state my advice is that the 1 1/2" air gap between the osb roof deck and the bottom of the tin is pretty important. As you already know, heat will try to build in this space and can build frost. Give that heat somewhere to vent off at the ridge. This advice assumes you will insulate with fiberglass batts between the rafters (i.e. against the bottom of the roof deck). If you are using spray foam or installing a ceiling/ventilated attic disregard.

I hope the weather straightens out for you soon.

Looks Nice!

How much snow do you guys get up there ?

I'm an overkill kinda guy

I think I would run some collar ties and some rafter ties

Or run the rafter ties up 1/3 ( no more , no less ) up the rafter from the top plate to give you a taller ceiling . This could serve as a rafter tie / collar tie. Although I'm annal so I'd prolly still run some small collar ties .

Are you going to run electrical ? If so , run a couple outlets in the ceiling so you can plug in some shop lights . You can also run a separate out outlet for a small winch for skinning deer . Just beef up a spot to attach the chain or winch before you insulate and sheet .


Building is looking good BTW

We get a good bit of snow but the roof is 10/12 and with it being metal I'm not anticipating any snow issues.

Do you think I need the rafter ties or could I get away without them? I was hoping to keep my entire ceiling , mainly because it looks cool

Never mind the ceiling joists in this picture , you can attach your osb or sheet rock to the rafter ties


This system will give more head height

Good question , with that pitch and metal roofing you may be ok . I've never done one with no collar ties or rafter ties , but it's my understanding that you must then use an adequate size ridge beam to hold entire load .

Maybe lugnut or someone will chime in


What you have going looks pretty good , maybe I'm just over thinking it

And I agree , the more open you can keep it the better

X2



Collar ties can't hurt but with a 10/12 I wouldn't worry about it.

EDIT: I can't quite tell from the picture but is there blocking between each pair of rafter tails....at the plate ? If not, there should be

Thanks, there is not blocking, I will add some

Good decision. 2x6x 22 7/16 should slide right in there if your rafters are 24" OC. Gonna be some awkward nailing or screwing

Get that skinning machine hoist installed early while stuff is easy to get to.

A wall mounted skinner that swings back against the wall under it is a real space saver.