Consequences for Trumped Up

Charges, will there be any?

Yup, and they'll never stop.

Help me sort this out. Who holds the federal justice system accountable?

A vegetable some folks call president

They do!
They'll investigate themselves, and once again, find they have done no wrong.
Probably give themselves another raise to.


We're living in a Banana Republic.

The fact of the matter is the very large majority of state and federal agencies have no accountability. maybe 95% operate with impunity. That jas been obvious for years...

If they can’t win fair in 6+ years just change the rules to fit the need not sure how they plan to explain not taking action in the past when the rule of law did not matter then. They drag out the Hunter investigation but will rush the Trump investigation both to impact the 2024 elections.

please Trump just go away

Our founders would be stacking bodies.

What will happen with the legitimate charges...
https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-outlines-fbi-biden-bribery-document-1805454

I read the indictment,

So, apparently NARA asked Trump to give them the presidential records he took to Mira-lago so they can review and archive as per law as they are supposed to do. One year later he sent them some of these documents. They found classified documents in these which is normal. The gubmint knew he had more presidential records and got a court order just for Trump to turn over any Classified documents ( not all the paperwork he was supposed to send to NARA) he still had. He had a lawyer go through about half the boxes they knew he had and sent them more classified material they found, telling the gubmint that was it. The gubmint knew he still had more boxes he didn't go through, so they get a search warrant and get the rest of the classified material.

Good lord, what was the point of him just not sending all this crap to NARA in the beginning like he is supposed to do?

Because he is not required to under the law.

Not until y’all get a good dose of the new democracy please.

It's still early..

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

"Each change of Presidential administration requires a massive move of records and materials. The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) plays a key role in the physical transfer of hundreds of millions of textual, electronic, audiovisual records, and artifacts from the White House to an outgoing President’s future library. NARA also plans for the transfer of legal custody of those materials when an administration ends, the care of those materials, and the development of the library itself. Presidential records come to NARA at the end of the administration. The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) applies to the Presidential Records Act (PRA) five years after the President has left office. NARA uses this time to begin to conduct archival processing and otherwise prepare for the onset of public access. (Trump Presidential records will become subject to FOIA on January 20, 2026)."

The Archivist is required to take custody of these records when the President leaves office, and to maintain them in a Federal depository.

Have you read the indictment?

https://www.scribd.com/document/651859907/gov-uscourts-flsd-648653-3-0#from_embed

He is going to do time. Guaranteed. They have one or two more indictments to do, and between all of them he will be convinced. Sad times.

They had to do something, they just caught Biden getting 5 million dollars pay for play money into his account. (Actual proof) Then they tried bringing out aliens first but that didn't work. They needed to shift the news cycle bad.

Bunking with big bubba.LOL.

Maybe they'll do his swearing in ceremony from the hoosegow.

You make your bed, you sleep in it.

It’s going to be so easy to pull the trigger.

Supposed lovers of freedom are blinded by their hatred for Trump

Most aren't even sure why they hate Trump , but can't think for themselves , so barrowed thoughts are the norm

It is sad, eh.

So very sad.

DeSantis better watch his 6

Your about as ignorant as they come.

From New Yolk. Imagine that.

And he'll immediately walk out once sworn in.

The Constitution is silent on whether he can run and win from prison and he can pardon himself. Only the Senate can remove him at that point.

Are you starving for attention? I don't think your ignorant but I'm guessing you have issues."maybe mommy issues"

You know what they say.

Yup. Nothing to keep him from running or being elected. Interesting stuff.

State's can not put him on ballot's and make it impossible for him to win, that's what all of this is about!

Never seen communist democrats so scared of one person in my life! But they have got away with sooooooooooooooooooooo much now why not just keep pushing ahead? Their idiot supporter's cheering them on unaware what living in a communist country is going to be like! They can do this to a president just think what they can do to you or me!

to see what living in a commie country is all about ya just gotta take a look around...

after what we did in iraq2, afgan, uke and now this other countries that are not nato are going to look around and say these folks are dangerous we need to do something.

this stuff has world wide geopolitical impact...there are some really bad times coming. be vigilant/prepared.

Hope I live long enough to see them really scared.

They stole the keys to the kingdom and are not taking any chances of not keeping those keys and the budget they open for a very long time..the largest budget in the world. 200 billion to uke=10%=20 billion. They in the big leagues now, jack.

Anti tank weapons we gave uke are showing up in the hands of the mex cartels...

Since he's second in line, they're already after him trying to dig up something if they can get rid of Trump.

Biden's main reason for running again is to protect his family.

Fixed it

Here's all ya need to know about the swamp.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=blIEYXhTUsA

So how that square with Biden storing of thousand of boxes since 1974 he has publicly admitted to having or Pence having documents…

Number 1. Biden is not mentioned in the indictment. Number 2. Did Pence or Biden take all these papers home with them from their office at the White House when they left after being replaced as VP?

I am shocked no investigation into Biden bringing home documents. A vice president cant. He should of been the first indicted.

The real question is besides the “cherry picked” documents what else was he retaining. Could it be information that we see happening from the White House?

I don't think some of y'all fully realize what has happened.

We have been conquered and taken over by operatives from within our own "government". The culmination of a century long effort by the progressives.

We are well past the moment of discussion or "democratic debate". We must take back our birthright freedom or die trying.

Trump is but just one effort at that. And looking more and more like a suicide mission. But I wish him well and he has my backing to whatever end he may meet. And if that is his, or my, end may he take some of them with him.

Did only Blane and I read the indictment?

I read the indictment. My glasses are clear also!

Also being reported, Trump is the FIRST president that the documents were to be stored in his residence which includes the Secret Service protection where other Presidents documents are stored in ann old abandoned store as 1 example!

Is this an accurate summary of what happened?

So, apparently NARA asked Trump to give them the presidential records he took to Mira-lago so they can review and archive as per law as they are supposed to do. One year later he sent them some of these documents. They found classified documents in these which is normal. The gubmint knew he had more presidential records and got a court order just for Trump to turn over any Classified documents ( not all the paperwork he was supposed to send to NARA) he still had. He had a lawyer go through about half the boxes they knew he had and sent them more classified material they found, telling the gubmint that was it. The gubmint knew he still had more boxes he didn't go through, so they get a search warrant and get the rest of the classified material.

According to Kash Patel, who was there, Trump declassified all the stuff related to the Russian collusion hoax, things that implicated Obama and Hillary, and THAT is what this is all.about.

Exactly

You're missing the fact that the precedent for Presidents is they can, and have always, kept documents. But there's a different standard for Trump that you can't deny no matter what the liberal swamp wrote in that indictment.

Heck, Biden, Pence and Hillary took documents and they weren't even President!

I asked a question not for additional facts.

Do you know how the national archives know said documents even exist ?

Probably because they authorized Trump to take them.

All you Trump bashers need to wake up, stop sniffing glue and smoking weed.
Open up your mind a bit with serious intention.
Do you think that there is a single candidate running for the Republican nomination which the enemy of the state will not use the Patriot Act to spy on and indict them as soon as they look like they will win the nomination? The same playbook they used on Trump way before he was elected?
DeSantis hates gays, trans, drag queens, black history, Mickey Mouse, and wants all women who accidentally got pregnant to die from backroom hanger abortions.
Tim Scott is the "Black face" of the Republican Party.
Nikki Haley, as a woman, is past her prime. "Look it up on google" (Don Lemon, CNN).
Chris Christie killed people who couldn't be transported by ambulances on purpose by closing a highway as publicity stunt.
Need I go on?
Y'all can go ahead and play checkers while the enemy of the state kills what's left of this country by playing chess.

TRUMP WAS SET UP!

Prior to running for president he supported all the people that are NOW after him. Being a builder/contractor he was only popular because of his wealth. Being outspoken brings retaliation from people that envy his position in life. Keeping and building wealth brings scrutiny and has endured plenty. Politics is over the top though.

And now indicted! Interesting it comes on the day the evidence that the current person in the Whitehouse received 10 million dollars along with his son to get a prosecutor fired in a foreign country!

Does it matter? The fact is Trump was not suppose to take them. It is clearly covered under PRA

"How much time do outgoing Presidents have to go through their papers to determine what to retain as personal documents?

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA. "

Source: National Archives website

Good list...though don't forget to add this too ....all citizens who are determined to raise their children apart from freak and Marxist influence , as well as all the rest of Americans , who love the Constitution, and their rights thereof, truly masculine men , and women who love and support them with their own unending strength , are all terrorists.

It is the people , the citizens everywhere in this country who staunchly stand for their veterans and constitutional rights that really are the targets , who want true active representation.

You summed it all up well , Carl.

To liberal, anti-Trump people who can't or don't want to see how bad this is for our country, no it doesn't seem to matter.

Kinda like Hillary said about our people they allowed to get killed......she asked.."What difference does it make now?"

How bad is a former president obstructing justice?

The "very stable genius" should have just given back the classified documents. Instead, he lied and conspired with others.

He is a deranged megalomaniac. That's why he is in this mess.

He should've just smashed them with a hammer or washed them with bleachbit. No intent as Comet said there.

Again, its a precedent all Presidents before him did, and was ok. nothing you say can change that.

I dont think he has any real support.
George Floyd had more support than Trump ever will by the looks of it.
I think Trump supporters value their material goods and lifestyle,paycheques etc more than the ideology.
I think the fallout from the Jan 6 incident cemented that.

So if he had played your pedo games then you wouldn't laugh and call him names?

"Did President Obama take Presidential records to Chicago after he left office?

No. When President Obama left office in 2017, NARA took physical and legal custody of the records of his administration in accordance with the Presidential Records Act. NARA made arrangements to move the roughly 30 million pages of paper Presidential records of the Obama administration to a federally acquired, modified, and secured temporary facility that NARA leased in Hoffman Estates, IL, which meets NARA’s requirements for records storage and security. NARA moved the records to Hoffman Estates because of the intention of President Obama to build a Presidential Library in the Chicago area."

Source: National Archives website

MAGA.

What a shame to see this happening in out great country, but we will see far worse soon enough.

nothing ever came of the 5 million bribe biden took?

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Most people, when directly confronted by evidence that they are wrong, do not change their point of view or plan of action but justify it even more tenaciously.

Once we are invested in a belief and have justified its wisdom, changing our minds is literally hard work. It’s much easier to slot that new evidence into an existing framework and do the mental justification to keep it there than it is to change the framework.

it is e-z to choose who to charge when you have/have had control of the justice dept...all the evidence on the bidens and nothing.....repeat that 50X over for all the other things not charged. 'They' have had control for a long time before 2016 and trump never stopped that.

A lot of those classified documents were very much involving national security, CIA defense, military etc. That to me is disturbing when you figure the USA deploys many US troops and sailors around the world. The GOP traditionally has many military vetrans and active military and that could be very concerning to anf for them and for their family members serving.

Bryce

obama/hillary/biden really have the interests of US servicemen in their actions....so will kamala and mo.

So most intelligent people would ask themselves why President Trump would hold onto such documents.

Then the next question would be why on earth would so much energy and resources be spent by his political enemies to get said documents.

Then the next question would be about the documents and who can be indicted because of the documents. Is President Trump holding onto those documents because of what he can do to his enemies with those documents?

I am sure it is pathetic how many classified documents are out of the national archives in a congressman/senators,vp house.

All he has to do is make copies of those documents on a thumb drive and put them ANYWHERE. They could look for decades and never find them.

President Trump has the goods on someone big and it has them scared to death. It's no wonder no charges have stuck to him and these won't either. The charges will be forgotten about or suddenly disappear from the news. In less than a month these charges will disappear.

Nothing will come of this. Nothing, zero, nada, zilch. When are you Trump haters gonna learn?

Any of you haters ever heard of Sandy Berger? Nothing happened to him except a fine. It was a misdemeanor. Notice how things change for some random unknown reason? (sarcasm)

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7351422

How dare he retain proof that Obama, Clinton and Biden are treasonous trailer trash scum.

You really want to go there defending the CIA, FBI, and the other alphabet agencies. The latest example is the withdrawal from Afghanistan, then Iraq, Afghanistan again then Viet Nam and on and on!

As sunshine over time gives light to the truth I for one am not feeling good about the agencies and oh yah and then Kennedy assignation. I am moving on!

With elections that fall where they may, are we really free and actually have a say!

you left out uke is beating the rus and the arab spring..

The funny thing is that all these guys that hate politicians ( not as much as me ) keep dealing with my simple yes or no question like politicians.

Then there is Bay of Pigs. Cubans paid for that one! I worked with some of those Cubans that wanted their country back. They were young and all they wanted was their country back! They tried to recruit me but my parents had no part in letting me go help.

So dirt, would it be a good idea to have someone who is not a politician get into DC and change things up?

Oh wait!!!

Dirt just answered his own question with a question. That’s politics at its finest ,eh!

Or maybe just the only two who believe it ......lol

lol

BINGO

a lawyer can take any completely legal statement and find a word or phrase that he then says makes it illegal.

if you actually believe anything the doj says then your a dumb a--.

I can’t believe that anyone would defend the actions of 51 former and current intelligence officers saying that it was Russia that planted the Hunter Biden lap top or any other statements coming out of this, what appears to be the most corrupt administration in history.

Just because this inditement is legal wordsmithing doesn’t make it true. Oh but I didn’t go to some socialist place of higher education so what do I know!

I thought you said you were from California,lol.

The federal justice system is a joke. The state level are just enablers. We could handle the back and forth of the executive branch and legislative branch because the judicial branch was for the most part steady. That is gone.

We are screwed.

I see there are no simple" yes" or" no "answers still.

When the socialists in 1969 tempted to bus my kids to another community I left the place!

That’s by design!

If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS! Thus the Marxist regime!!!

You will have to subpoena them to get an answer.

everything is 'spin' in todays world. no one acknowledges simple truths.

There will be a reckoning.

Release a plague then steal an election and fax talking point lies to almost every news media, word for word, thus spin and confusion for some. It’s apparent who falls for it!

I am not so sure about that but maybe a great calamity will befall us all. The issues will certainly not be fixed by voting. People who hate Trump but say they are conservatives are mind boggling folks and there are to many of them for the vote to matter. They are like drowning people who do not accept a save from a boat that is not what they think is best for them..so they drown instead.

Anyone can see that under Trump the country was doing fairly well...until they released the vid.

They will never leave him alone.

Consequences for Trump started long before he announced running for President.

The question then should have been why but it was just politics then. As time went by and as of now it seems apparent there as a reason. I have to ponder on WHO it is and the reason. I think for all that are paying attention can see why but a solid who is the question.

Who?

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

Trump needs to go away. We have some good people running for the republican presidency. Lets see what they have to offer.

Name one

They better be appealing to at least 35% of democrats. lol

Here is what this boils down to:
1. President Trump could declassify ANY document from his presidency. PERIOD! He had that power.
2. He gave the National Archives complete access to any record they wanted. That is documented, by his lawyers. PERIOD!
3. Had President Trump decided not to run in 2024, this would be a non-issue. PERIOD!
4. Hillary and Biden did much worse. Hillary should be in prison right now and Biden did the same thing if not worse BEFORE fixing the election and becoming "President". PERIOD!

So poke around all you want and talk about it all you wish, but the fact remains that the Democratic Party is turning this country into a Banana Republic and no matter what side of the fence you land on, you better hope that the next trumped-up charges are not against you! PERIOD!!!!!!!

Imagine having your house paid off only to have to mortgage it again so you can pay a lawyer.

Just thinking about it makes me want to play a thousand gigs.

This is exactly the way that everyone that is in my circle believes! WELL SAID

But it's ok if Pence. Dementia Joey, and Hitlery all store classified documents for years. I get it!

Who said its not illegal for biden pense and clinton to do all that,if they did that?

When history, wait! History is being rewritten as I am writing this!

Okay if it’s ever really honestly revealed I’ll bet that most politicians have classified documents in their possession and it might even be as far down the ladder as mittens and mookowski!

Politicians are the only ones in our society that can break the law and get away without being punished!

I watched a bit of Trump in Georgia this afternoon.. Now he is speaking to the North Carolina state convention. Two convention speakings in the same day,.I wonder how in the world Biden could stand up to that stamina during the election.

Because they were not the President and only the President can summarily declassify government documents. Hillary was not President, she was Secretary of State. Biden was a senator and the documents found in his garage next to his son's crack pipe were from his term as senator.

If biden attempted this, he would probably fall down at least a dozen times and spout out more literal gibberish than you could listen to in an hour.

Keith

No. However, the law Trump initially broke was stealing government property and had nothing to do with classified documents.

How can a president steal what he has supreme authority over?

Or is the president a caged monkey?

Those are his papers, his work product.

If this stands the most powerful position on the planet is a slave of the nameless unelected bureaucrat state.

"Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.

In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.

As the new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court."

Source: ABA

I posted the Law. Can you not read?

I disagree. He was contacted and cooperated fully with the archives. That is documented by his lawyers. He even did as they asked and put a lock on the room. He invited them in and told them if they needed anything to "just ask". Yea, sounds like a mastermind criminal to me!

Shall I post the Supreme Law the Constitution of the United States?

Sure post the section in the constitution that covers this.

Could he have stopped that? If he would have cleaned house in the Justice Department and the FBI, he would have been impeached for obstruction of justice.

Yup, had he moved against the DOJ/FBI while facing impeachment it would've made Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre reaction look tame.

They rigged the whole game against him from the start.

Its funny how all these indictments came out the same day they caught Joe Biden getting 5 million in pay for play. Do you suppose its to swing the news cycle away from the Biden crime family once again ?

The swamp is panicking that Trump will win again and expose all these criminals. They are now getting desperate.

If anyone dont think these bogus charges are about stopping him from running and winning the election, all you have to do is see what the talking points are on the MSM and they are now saying Trump should take a plea deal to where he would drop out of the race.

So no, this is not political at all.

All bets are off when Trump wins, first the nomination and then the general. Or least when he's about to.

The fact that they are willing to prostitute out the DOJ for such evil purposes without blinking an eye and that so many sheeple buy it as anything justifies the means tells me they are capable of anything.

Keep your powder dry.

Funny how all the "urban unrest" and " mostly peaceful, yet firey riots" ended overnight.
Almost like someone flipped a switch...

Bet they turn it to 11 next time.

Bottom line to this entire thread and discussion is nit one single person including me even knows what Trump had. Anyone can claim someone had something but when they take a picture of empty folders with markings on them , the normal person would say, "they are empty folders". You don't know if there was anything in them or not. The whole thing is a setup. Legally Trump still has 2 to 3 years for NARA to go thru all the paperwork he has. As of right now , Trump has committed no crime. He should never have been indicted and he should never have been raided.

The head of National Archives had a history of posting hysterical anti Trump rhetoric on social media.
But I'm sure that never came into play.

True Believers

You wouldn’t happen to have the name and address? A photo would be nice too.

IMO, the only thing keeping DJT alive is 80 million votes and what their reaction would be.

You need a T shirt Hobie

If Trump gets re-elected, I hope he guts the DOJ and fires every bureaucrat there in every alphabet agency. I know it would be at the very top of my list and would go a long way to restoring this country.

The timing is purely coincidental, of course.

That is so good it’ll never happen.

LOL!!! Subpoenas don't matter. Just ask hildabeast about her 33k+ emails and cell phones.

And NOTHING was done about her belligerent and flagrant violation of classified documents. Even though IT WAS PROVEN she bleach bitted her entire server to the point nothing could be retrieved ever.

She smart.

Ugly too.

What, did y’all take a break for church? lol

Liberty and Freedom are based on Law and Order. When one segment is abused you’re on your way to anarchy!

It doesn’t happen immediately but is like a cancer it grows slowly. Marxist / Democratic Party playbook.

In the words of the great Bob Dylan
"Everything is legal as long as you dont get caught"

And to paraphrase Trump-"I like those that dont get caught"
He otta practice what he preaches.

You otta practice what your queen Justin practices.

And you otta practice what your dotard leader practices-oh wait you already do,lol.

Canucks are annoying.

Yes diseminating pertinent information can be annoying to some people who dont like to hear it.LOL.

I had errands to run, but I'm in for the afternoon now.

Good, what’s quickest way around this……

I did some work in a data storage facility a few yrs back

Rumor had it this company had a hand in the accidental losing of Hillary's 30,000 emails .

We'll never know for sure , but I do know it was a new facility with new everything ......lots of money flying around.....hmmmm

This

Only because you guys keep falling for it.

Anybody listen to Fox News Sunday and hear the Former Attorney General under Trump Bill Barr’s interview. Bill Barr said in his interview that if only half of what Trump is guilty of he is toast.

I am not an expert on law but I am sure a former US Attorney General is. He also went on to explain how the case against Trump is different than what Pence and Biden are accused.

Bill Barr is an (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) hat.

Around the inside Hobbie, there's not enough banking for an outside groove.

Gonna make passing fun or aggravating depending on which end you’re on. lol

Bump and run

Barr is an insider swamp rat, what else would you expect him to say.

This. Is a guy that didn’t see stuff because, when you don’t look you don’t see, political spin at its finest! Swamp creature!!!

Stop feeding the troll, guys !!!!!

BOCO lives for flaming you guys !!!!!

w

You are using an awful lot of PERIODS there, Finster !!!!

w

You love it-thats why you follow my posts.

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All bought and paid for. Only just theatrics to any real opposition of permanent DC.

desantis said the war in uke was bad, then a few days later he said his donors told him it was good so he changed his mind......

So, there you go, its now official. The non-elected members of the security state now are the ultimate authority in the country because only they can declassify certain documents. I'm sure that's found in the Constitution somewhere...

My guess is that the legislative branch made a law that a President signed that is a system laid out in the Constitution. I believe the word" statutory" means" legislative law." Maybe someone will post the part in the Constitution that deals with declassification?

Careful throwing around the Constitution, you know us serfs can't be reading that thing. Next they'll be burning us at the stake as heretics.

You shouldn’t be reading it anyway unless you have the proper dictionary that will inform you what the important words mean vs. what they really mean you big dummy.

Yeah gotta be careful with that English language they say it's the hardest of all to understand.