Boco have you been seeing it

Ontario, Canada is now advertising on American television saying how they are great for the American economy. I wonder if it is due to Trump’s Tariffs threat?

Probably.
ie the auto pact.

Trump just told trudeau at Mar Lago he could make Canada the 51st and maybe 52st US States because trudeau told him Canada would fail without the money it makes on the tarrifs it charges on US products. The other Canadians and trudeau giggled politely.

Keith

Adding the wilderness would be nice but we don't need any more NY IL or Californias so it's probably a bad idea and net negative.

Of course it is.

I drove across the border yesterday as i do each week.
US border guard told me that things are going to change under Trump and i should be ready.
That was a first.

He said to be ready that my trips to the US will be limited (?)

I understand protectingthe home front NAFTA wasn't it

It's amazing to me how Republicans have flipped from Free-Trade to Protectionism.... all in my short lifetime.

It will be your loss not ours.
Plenty of customers out there for our riches to replace your failing state.

The ad is well done and can be convincing.

RINOs

The problem is that we don't have free trade. We are being screwed.

Big market for beaver fat and curried crickets is there? Hahahaaaaaa

USMCA 2020 trade deal

You're old Carl. Our country is only around 4 times your age. You've lived through around 25% of the entire History of the USA.

Keith

Canada trying to screw our dairy farmers

Maybe you are missing the fair trade part.....

Correction, Canada successfully screwing our dairy farmers.

Keith

^^^^^ not for much longer I bet

As much as I like Canada, they can keep it. At least the eastern part with all the people, wouldn't hurt my feelers if we had BC and YT, that's nice country

That was in the news the other day. Ole Dougie's idea to remind Americans where Ontario stands.

I think the US will get those parts of Canada to prevent China and India from getting them. The more heavily populated parts of Canada won't like that, but the Canadians living in BC and YT will likely see it as the only way to stay free of being subjugated to people from Asia.

The people in British Columbia and the Yukon Territory already have all the taxes generated by their resources taken and given to Quebec and Ontario. They have little reason for loyalty to their parasites to the South and East, that are being filled with foreign immigrants.

Keith

Hard to have free trade in dairy when Canada does not have a free market dairy system.

I doubt that. Donny isn't out to get Joe public.

You gonna blow Boco's mind talkin' bout the motherland like that.

All well and good maybe Keith but what about the Asians in BC already? Indians with dots as well? Been to Vancouver and the other major population areas lately? They are MANY and entrenched.

Osky

Not sure how many have been to BC. Like Osky says, it's been FULL of Indians & Asians for 20 years. As far as the eastern Canada, It's got a lot of good folks there too. Just the certain groups that make the noise get all the attention.

Trump is a moron trying to start a war with allies.
Trudope should have reminded him of the last time they tried that and also reminded him of the diasters losing wars to stone age camel humpers,lol.

[quote]Trump is a moron trying to start a war with allies./quote]

What allies? Those that don't and have never contributed their fair share to NATO, like Canada? Trump is not threatening the UK, Finland, Poland, Israel, and our other true allies.

The reason you don't like Trump is because he wants Canada to pull it own weight, rather then being more dead weight for us to carry. He has a weird idea that the US should come first for our tax dollars. Don't take it personal, there are a lot of countries that have been sucking us dry.

Its the other way around,that is why Americans are not well liked in the world unlike Canadians.
Not only are you arrogant you also never keep your word.

Now what do you think of those who give their word and dont live up to it.
They are not considered men.

A man of his word is held in high esteem
A man who does not honor his word has no credibility-same with countries.

Canada is supposed to be paying 2% to NATO, which they agreed to, but are at 1.37%. The good news is by 2032 they should be in compliance. I guess we'll have to be patient for the Canucks to keep their word.

Not to Nato,to our own forces.to be used in Nato.Dont worry we wont pull out when the going gets tough in Ukraine when Trump turns tail there like he did in Afghanistan.
At least we dont supply billions to the enemy.

Exactly!

Canada doesn't have billions in anything to leave anyone, and spin it any way you want Your country is not paying what they said they would.

Canada left Afghanistan in 2014,,,,,

Leaving behind 100 000’s of dollars of equipment,,,,,,every thing they had. Lol

In the end, during the fall of Kabul

Canadian special forces went in and rescued a bunch of Indian nationals,,,

Leaving all the folks that helped Canadian soldiers,,, behind

Total douche bag move

You're not serious with that comment?

Hahahaaaa someone is a moron,,thats for sure.Trudope is too buisy dancing at Swiftie concerts to tell anyone anything.Did you see that video Bozo,,,HAHAHahahaaaaaa Wearing girlly cloths and doing girlly dances.Thats YOUR leader.

Just so everyone heard it,,,,,……lol

Sorry, this is not a Boco approved representation of the motherland. Please cease and desist.

You should have seen all the weapons Canada and their English masters left here back in 1812. The best technology of the time. Most of the muskets were only dropped once.

Correction, after checking the Canadian records it appears no Canadian troops ever entered the US. Only their British owners dropped and left muskets here.

Is there any records showing a single Canadian soldier fought for the Canadians in the US? I can't find any.

Keith

Says the checker player to the chess master.

Cause Americans dont bend the knee like you Pakistadians.We are feared,,,you are laughed at.Especialy when they see your Man Queen doing sissy dances at Swifty concerts while wearing makeup.HAHAHahahahahahah

Sounds like Trump is going to make Canada the 51st state, that should help their credibility.

Pakistanada wishes.

Feared by who?
All the stone age countries that sent you packin with your tail between your legs,lol
They all know when the going gets tough you tuck and run.

Keith said their military is a bunch of gay guys, so makes sense why they aren’t winning any wars.

… I doubt that’s JP and Boco as I believe Boco is quite a bit older… and JP is a lot more feminine

Keith said their military is a bunch of gay guys, so makes sense why they aren’t winning any wars.

Good point,..that changes in a month or so,..you're country is not too far behind,..slap on back!

No flaming!

I said that do the homosexuality I have seen in this how boutche

Huh?

.. are you Pentecostal?

Say what?

You need to explain this one.

Dang...Tough Crowd... I like it!

The pseudo socialism thing they have going in Canada doesn't seem to work very well, last time I went to the L48 I flew to Spokane, bought a pickup in Idaho and put a slip tank in the back because I knew Canada was going to do terrible (prison like) things to me at the fuel pump, and I was glad I bought that slip tank because the 100 gallons of diesel I brought with me paid for the tank. The first time I had to buy Canadian diesel at $7.00 per LITER I almost puked. At the exchange rate at that time (couple years ago) I figured I was spending around $12.00 USD per gallon for diesel. That ridiculousness carries on across pretty much anything you could need to buy in Canada.

Come on man, I thoroughly enjoy this banter however if you want to play along you need to shore up your numbers a bit. You and Boco must have went to the same school.

Interesting thread

I thought it was implied that $7.00 per liter was CAD, as that was the posted price. Which came out to approximately $12 US per gallon at the time. Also, it's just banter, as you stated so I'm not taking the time to figure out hard numbers, you aren't my accountant. And considering I grew up in a few different logging camps and never went to school past 8th grade, I'm fairly sharp. So if you want specifics, I actually paid $12.86 USD per gallon for diesel in Whitehorse. It was $15.54 USD per gallon in Watson Lake. This is of course assuming there's 3.7 liters to a gallon, correct me if I'm mistaken, I come from a place where we use different measurements and we don't have a queen on our money

Canadian dollars are only worth a paltry 71¢ US. Most people in the Canadian border states in the US get angry if they get Canadian coins. My girlfriend in college worked in a store in Gowanda, New York. If the cashiers took more than $1.00 in Canadian change on a shift, they were written up and had their pay docked at the current exchange rate. Customers would frequently yell at them if they gave them Canadian change.

Canadians came across the border to shop because taxes were cheaper, especially on alcohol and cigarettes. Canadians also crossed over to shop because Canadian stores had a much smaller variety of brands and products available.

Keith

Soooo we’re all just going to ignore the fact that Trump has nothing but praise for dictators and despots around the globe and threatens his country’s closest trading partners? He tells Putin not to escalate in Ukraine and what does Vladimir do? Launches a massive offensive and runs nude photos of your soon to be First Lady on national television. The Russians don’t give a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) what he says and humiliate him so what does Donnie do? He threatens a sovereign nation with annexation to soothe his bruised ego. Sounds about right.

Can't we all just put on our rainbow socks and get along?

Show us that selfie you took of you and Bozo wearing your Taylor Swift shirts together.

In other Canadian news:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/canada-bans-more-assault-firearms-suggests-donating-guns-ukraine

Huge shout out to all the losers that live in NDP ridings

we are the second largest country in the world with a very small population (i think NY state has more people than us) but we have one of the most feared army reputations in the world ask the germans in ww1 or ww2 who they rather face russian or usa troops ,usa or canadian troops they would tell you usa.We supply the USA with i think 70% of its lumber we are a very proud nation and have fought of american attacks before once with a single battalion of cannon fire that was so deadly accurate that the usa fleet had to return to port you are not the greatest nation the only thing that you are #1 is in military spending and the next 26 countries are your allies

Canada has some great fishing, problem is it's full of Canadians. When Trump sends the girl scouts to take over he will have some deporting to do, France I think.

Both World Wars were being lost to the enemies untill The United Sates stepped in and saved the world.Your welcome.

I just asked them if they would rather fight against Canada,,or a Girl Scout Troop from the USA and they said Canada.

The USA was scared to get in both the first and second world wars to fight,but they did provide financial assistance.
They didnt get in to actually fight until the allies were winning after the battle of britain when the brits turned the tide and the krauts knew they were then starting to lose the war.

Brave Canadians of course volunteered by the thousands from day one in both wars.
The frenchmen though were balky like americans.

Pearl Harbor. The war came here.

P.S. The U.S. had no obligation to defend the queen.

Just carve off Vancouver, Toronto and all of Quebec and we'll take it.

Also, the US buys lumber from Canada to help stimulate your guy's economy, and because it's easier than arguing with American hippies about timber sales. The forest service has taken to selling timber that's out of the public view, the tree huggers only hug trees they can see from the highway system. Also, one of the biggest timber buyers in western Canada is Alcan Timber, based in Ketchikan, AK.

I’m not sure on that Boco. The tide did not turn in world war 2 until D day and D day would not have happened without everything America brought to the endeavor. Yes the Brits outlasted Germany in the skies over England for the win but crossing the channel was momentous.

A lot of countries including Canada paid a very big and brave price for those beachheads and the turning of the tide.

Osky

I don't think the US buying Canadian lumber has anything to do with tree-hugging hippies. Canadian lumber is less expensive because the Canadian lumber industry is heavily subsidized by the Canadian government. It's easy to beat the competition (American lumber companies) when the government is footing a big chunk of the bill.

That's why Trump imposed tariffs on Canadian lumber the first time he was President, it's why Biden kept those tariffs in place and it's why those tariffs are likely to increase after Trump takes office again.

How do those tariffs affect the price of lumber in the u.s. ?

I like your pride and I think many Canadian restaurants great. But your country rides on our coat tail. You have not paid you Natoma obligation most of the time. Youdon't need to spend much on your mil at all because we will protect you and the world knows it. you have always been subjucts so know no different or what individual freedoms are granted by the creator vs privileges granted by the state.

you absolutely have some great warriors. You have a lot of wilderness and typicall ygreat warriors come from rough wilderness living.

I read your leader told Trump you could not survive without tariffson US goods. is that accurate I don't know but if so who needs whom?

There are a lot of factors at play. One of them is the red tape government agencies have to go through to sell wood. Just an example: the USFS had a big timber sale on the south end of POW, it got approved, then held up in litigation for several years (Sierra club or green peace IDK), then had to be re-approved which takes a few months, then was approved and immediately held up in court again (another environmental group). So the USFS got fed up, and traded the land to Sealaska (a native corporation owned by my tribe) and we clear cut it all within 3 years and the US tax payers lost out on a few billion dollars worth of timber because a few idiots from California thought they were gonna save the world.

It didn't cause a big increase in lumber prices. I believe a lot of tariff cost is absorbed by the various handlers of the products before it reaches the consumer level. In the case of construction grade lumber, which is the bulk of what we buy from Canada, I have seen no abnormal increases other than those caused by Covid in the last eight years. And those insane Covid and post-Covid prices returned almost to pre-Covid prices relatively quickly on solid wood (2 X 4's, etc.). Sheet goods adjusted downward but remain high.

AK Timber Tramp, I don't doubt you but I do believe the red tape caused by tree-huggers is not a big factor, more like isolated incidents when the big picture is looked at. In my state of Pennsylvania the timber industry is the number one agricultural industry adding about 22 billion to the State's economy annually.

Vast tracks of hardwood forests have been managed and harvested for centuries and I've never heard of tree-huggers trying to stop any of it.

Maybe it's a west/northwest thing?

I did notice a shift in local lumber yards away from as much Canadian lumber and towards more American-produced lumber.

The US remains the # 1 producer of lumber in the world.

better learn history than because germany was already losing the war if you think the turning point was d-day russia was killng germans by thousands daily and was screaming for a western front as german had poured all its armies into russia to stop the russian red machine, italy was 2/3 conquered and africa was already in allied hands and before you can say thats because the americans it was actually the british that kicked them out even than thats debatable as rommel had left his army and was in germany while the british and americans laid waste to his army way to many good young men died in those 10 years of war(including the first war)for leaders that thought that their country was greater than other countries yes the usa is great but defintly not better than the rest how do you think the production power or morale of usa would of faired if it was being bombed 24/7 like in britian germany and russia

D Day was very important, not sure how to describe it as far as one word but if it hadn't happened, Russia might control all of Europe. Stalin Is noted as wanting to keep going past Berlin even with the Allies there, only to decide against it when we set the Atomic bomb off.

Trump had to put tarrifs on stuff coming from everywhere cause Americans cant compete with anyoreToo busy hanging out in walmart with your butcracks hanging out to dry lol.

Lugnut, that's because your old growth and even second growth stands have long since been wiped out, there's no reason to fight logging on the East Coast, your loggers are glorified farmers, they just harvest on a 30 year rotation. We have Sitka Spruce that were standing when Christ was on the cross, and those old monsters is what gets the enviros fired up. Even though if it doesn't get logged it'll topple sooner or later, everything has a lifespan, even if it's longer than our own. So where you are and where I am have an entirely different timber industry. Our junk wood is stud grade lumber, our high dollar timber is coffin wood and music wood. I have a friend that logs in PA, he said it's mostly pallet wood and pulp (which wouldn't even be considered decent firewood around here)

On December 11, 1941 Hitler declares war on the U.S.

On my birthday, awesome. I mean, 50 years prior to my birthday, but still

Happy early B Day ATT

Much appreciated, thank you

I know a bit of history. I think you’re missing my point.
I was replying to Boco who said the war turned when Britain won its airspace. I don’t believe that to be totally true. You’re right K… the Brit’s and the US put the hammer down in Africa then up thru southern Italy, Patton and the mechanized were the American thrust there. The Russians with incredible numbers were turning the eastern front. The final hammer was D day as far as the allies sans Russia turning the tide.
The air superiority over Europe was also a big deal but a lot of that heavy aircraft and those air crews were American as well. Were there any Canadians overhead? There sure could have been as in world war1 but I am not up on that.

Osky.

It's true we do not have old growth trees.

The thirty-year rotation might be a softwood thing but quality hardwood stands are usually cut on a 75-125 year rotation. Your friend's experience is either solely with softwood or junk harvests or he's simply full of crap because Pennsylvania is known worldwide for producing some of the finest hardwoods available; red and white oak, hard and soft maple, black walnut, black cherry, hickory, etc.

He said it's a lot of poplar and whatever kind of pine you guys have down there. So yeah, junk. Our second growth patches are just starting to come up on harvest rotations in a few places, they're 80 years I think, but that's a different market. That'll all be domestic wood, used for construction and occasionally some crappy guitars, but it doesn't have the grain structure of old growth, so it can't make fancy pianos or nice guitars and violins.

What species?

Sitka Spruce primarily. Also yellow cedar, red cedar, western hemlock, and on occasion shore pine (black pine I think is the proper name) some alder along creeks or old road/trail beds

Keith

its been well documented that the Germans feared the Canadians the most because they wouldn't quit. Americans had the numbers we had the heart. i know its friendly banter but lets respect those that sacrificed on both sides and not argue who was better. I hope when push comes to shove we will always have each others backs. I love canada but hate our leader....with a passion.

Just saw on TV that Canada had outlawed some more weapons and that they were seizing them and the would all be shipped to the county fighting Russia.
They said they had already seized 2500 and would be getting more to ship soon.

Garry-

That has to be one of the funniest things I have read in here.Post some of this documentation so we can all see.

Well the way this thread is going I think Boco and Walleyed are going to have to have a duel with percussion pistols to settle this.

LOL: from the man of a failing country

So that's why your fearless leader beat tail down to Florida to have dinner with Trump? He could have told him that over the phone.

Here in northern NY especially the Adirondacks we still have old growth Red Spruce that is world renowned for the grain structure to make the finest violins , guitars ,and pianos in the world.
I have cut many of these clear butt log spruce referred to as fiddle butts. Some as big as 36” DBH. Also I have exported 100’s of MBF of native spruce and fir logs to stud mills in Quebec, which milled into framing lumber and sent back to the states.

That's cool man. I've always wondered what the difference is between our old growth and the stuff you guys have over/down there. 36" dbh is small second growth here, we have units at Cape Pole that got logged at the start of WW2 that are 50" average. Old growth doesn't always mean big, but the biggest spruce I've cut so far was 11' 4" across the stump. I did a red cedar last year that was just shy of 15' in diameter where I springboarded it

Right.....f America!




Every country hates big evil America........till they need a handout.....or their bacon rescued from the fire in somedumbassed war.

Those buttcrackers in OUR Walmarts are Canadians that flock over the boarder to shop HERE.HHAhahaaaaaaaa

That has some merit.