Trump said he will protect the Second Amendment

In his rally speech today. It was a pleasure to hear a President of the United States speaking to America favorably about gun rights instead of all the anti-Second Amendment rhetoric we heard from Biden and his Administrations the last four years. This thread was made just for discussion about gun rights under Trump vs. Biden. I think gun owners will be safe under Trump. Hope I am not wrong. It would be nice to get pro-gun people to lead the ATF.

I am optimistic

Awesome

They will never take our guns. It's all political rhetoric.

You need to visit Colorado, and about seven other states where MANY types of guns are now illegal to possess. Boiling a frog, small bites at a time, etc. They just never say they want to take guns, just the dangerous ones. I'd say we are somewhat safe for four years.

I was afraid after the first assassination attempt that he would soften his stance on gun ownership but it hasn't happened yet.

He's tough and determined, albeit annoying infrequently.

Stood right up and gave the fighting rallying call.

The Idiot kept saying he was going to ban "assault Weapons" but didn't get it done. I sure don't think Trump will make an attempt at it.

I hope he does, the idea is death by 1000 cuts and small steps to erode away at the 2nd, I hope someone restore’s what we’ve lost but I doubt that will happen.

Can you guys lose your amendment rights?

Just like everything got to fight for them.

Most countries don't allow private gun ownership, or highly restrict it. The democrats would and keep trying to restrict US gun ownership. I don't continued US gun ownership is an assured thing at all.

Keith

Constitutional rights - absolutely not. (Some politicians and communists will of course think differently).

Not unless a politician is God. Now I do think some politicians believe they're gods and it may take a fight to convince them they aren't.

It would nice if we can get suppressors treated the same as a fire arm.

Only bureaucratically. Local and state laws can be enacted by liberal politicians and bans can be accomplished on ballot initiatives.

But like was said, it's a red herring and will always be. Kind of like abortion and homo rights. It will always be an issue any politician can say they need more money in their re-election coffers so they can "fight" for the pro or anti choice.

Unfortunately when you get a majority liberal political bench, they tend to act sparingly on banning.

The opposite is also true when you get a majority conservative bench. They tend to act sparingly on strengthening.

If either she does too much to make their move permanent, they kill the emotional cash cow for re-election money.

No matter what, no mater the issue, IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY!!!

They should be treated like scopes or any other accessory you add to a gun.

^^^ yup!!

As long as liberals are suffered to teach, none of our rights, God given or not, are secure.

Keith

Exactly.

you are a Fool!

The soon-to-be-former president was heard to say that "No amendment was absolute." So, in his opinion, they could be altered or done away with. 

Right where i stand. Actions speak louder than words especially in politics

Ultimately it comes down to the judges

Husted from Ohio going to Senate cannot be a good thing for gun owners.......I just don't trust him or dewine......they're both part of swamp....

we've already effectively lost a lot of our rights.

Thanks!

I always thought it was strange the topic keeps coming up.

Husted cried a whole lot, way, way more than I would ever expect, when DeWine announced him as his senate pick. I'm on the fence if that is neutral or bad.

Keith

I would like to see the same done with "antique" guns that are treated as Class III firearms. The old Marble's Game Getters, Steven's Bicycle Guns, Ithaca Auto-Burglers and H&R Handi Guns. They are all single or double barrel shotguns that are 100 years old but by current law are illegal because most had 10-12 inch barrels. They are a unique piece of history and are "cute".

In a Republic, as we were founded, the rights of the individual and minority are protected. In a true democracy, as in where they want to take us, the rights of the minority or individuals aren't protected. It's the majority that decide what the rules and laws are.

Excellent explanation.

Those unconstitutional laws can then be challenged in court. It is a long and expensive procedure. Some cases make it all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States but many are ruled on by lesser courts.

I have a lawyer friend who only does 2A cases and he is very successful at winning them.

Unfortunately, liberals tend to enact unconstitutional anti-2A laws with more frequency than they can be ruled on by the various courts.

Also, like bowhunter said, neither side seems to want to rock the boat very much. It keeps the issue relevant and keeps the money flowing.

Did we loose anything under Biden how about under Trump?

Words aside actions matter right! I'm optimistic and hopeful but still very cautious and watchful.

Our founders knew that no right or rule of law was set in stone and that's why they gave us the 2nd amendment as the last line of defense against tyranny

As far as the 2nd amendment, yes. We already did as far as I'm concerned.
If we have to pay for a Right, it's not a Right, it's a privilege. (Here in CT, the "Constitution State", it's $70 for a five year permit)
If our Rights end at the state border, it's not a Right, it's a restriction. Yet compared to a driver's license, which IS a PRIVILEGE, a 16 year old can drive cross country and back, but CC (or open) by a law abiding U.S. citizen is not reciprocal.



CT is one of those states also. The Dems that have run this state for years took no time at all after Sandy Hook to ban a long list of so called Assault Weapons. If you owned one already, you had to get a certificate (i.e. REGISTER). If we didn't own one, we're SOL. Then for a few years we could own "others", the Dems caught up to those loopholes and banned those too.

Good point about safe for four years............what I feel is if hunters...law enforcement.....and gun enthusiasts....don't start planning fot Trump's successor....4 years go fast.....they will have a repeat of biden type authority......and gun ownership is in jeopardy big time....

In the long haul it's not the politians that are to fear it's the moral values of the general population that will "allow " it to happen.

It won’t take long for the antis to come around once we make them wish they had one. lol

Malcolm X once said [paraphrased]: 'Only a Fool would allow his enemies to educate his children'

We have been Fools for generations! Until we get ACTIVELY involved in our kids' education, we are at extreme risk of losing even MORE of our Freedoms!

No matter what, Trump beats the alternative on all fronts.

I don't disagree, realistically I think we will always have to fill out a 4473 to obtain one.

Like homeschooling!!! I never had quite looked at it that directly before but he was correct.

In Trump I trust.

This is true. Trump is better than Harris (or Biden) would have been. But not being awful on the 2a doesn't equal being awesome on the 2a. Trump is luke-warm at best when it comes to gun rights. A politician who's natural inclination is to say "I like taking the guns first and doing due process later" isn't a friend of the 2a (or the 4th, or the 14th, for that matter).

You nailed it.

I do think President Trump is pro 2nd amendment... and it's a good thing he is in power..... but things change.... don't get rid of the ARs or ammo stockpiles just yet !!

" Take the guns first due process latter" " I don't like the idea of them" referring to suppressors. And of course the bump stock ban.

I think my idea of pro gun is different. Pro gun is pro all guns not only approved guns with certain features and being for zero restrictions even when it's not popular in a poll after a shooting.

Trump is a city man. High roller that has associated with people like him his whole life. Never needed to arm his self or protect chickens and livestock. Never hunted for food or fun or got into any shooting sports. Like a lot of NYCityers he has is prone to run his mouth. I think there are people around him giving him good advice on the 2nd and the reason it was recognized so many years ago.

Trump said he would fire the Director of the ATF but the guy just resigned first. He hasn’t nominated a replacement yet..I’m thinking white marlin.

I may be wrong but I believe I read someplace that Trump has had a CC Permit for years.

Yes he has or had a New York permit ( may not be valid with the federal conviction.

But that only makes the case for rules for thee not for me being only the very Ritch and connected could obtain a permit in New York at the time

I'm sure he did, and it's not surprising. I'm sure Harris wasn't lying when she said she owns a gun, too. It's not that politicians, especially lefties are afraid of the guns, it's the power that a gun gives someone that scares them. They have no problem grabbing that power for themselves, they just don't want you and I to have that that power too. Biden, Harris, and Trump all get protected by dudes with full-auto subguns everywhere they go. Do you think they want you and I to have the same power?

Never a good idea to trust any politician.

as the constitution is written, every federal gun law is unconstitutional, and every state gun law goes against the SC decision of marbury vs. madison. so I pay little attention to them

YES,

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/25/politics/biden-signs-gun-bill/index.html

Dude that is just gun safety. More money for red flag laws, target private sales, and domestic issues people that already likey were breaking the law.

That went through congress. bs yes yet

Not one bit as bad as Trump and his executive order. And spare me the 4 d chess crap.

BS until someone uses the now fully funded red flag laws on you, and you lose ALL your guns.

In Trump I trust.Amen

amendment 10 comes to mind.

slow down and read what I typed. Yes it's all bs laws I don't agree with. But it at least went through congress and that is 10 times better than executive order.

Gives them 10 day delay for your kids if they want to.

"it will enhance background checks for gun buyers under the age of 21 by giving authorities up to 10 business days to review the juvenile and mental health records of young gun purchasers, and makes it unlawful for someone to purchase a gun for someone who would fail a background check."

so its ok for congress to violate the constitution but not the president?

Harder to get rid of a law than executive orders.

You need to study some on that.

Come for my guns.You might get the few here at the house.Then it will be time for me to disappear.

No it's not OK but it's how our system was made to work. Hold those accountable that do. It's harder to pass through congress than one individual. Eventually the courts should shoot it down.

Bi pass the system sign anti gun executive order Then claim to be pro gun.. Then still have blind followers believe your pro gun because you said so. But hey he is better than the other guy and I can over look it if it's my guy. Right?

Now here come the personal attacks from the Trump walks on water blind followers crowd. The you must have voted for Harris and every other brain dead thing they can think of because they can't possibly admit their guy has faults. It's sad really . Yes I have voted for Trump in every election and primary. Yes I think he is the best president we have had in my lifetime. BUT I won't blindly follow him or pretend he is strong on things he is not and clearly proven so.

Hopefully he will do better this round. Maybe after the next high profile shooting he will get on stage and flat say it's the people not the gun. Maybe bring up big rental truck bans or background checks for rental trucks and buying knifes and how ridiculous it is to blame the gun. We will see how he reacts . I'm hopeful but not willing to make a bet on him.

Dewine is career politician and slick........I personally don't trust them anymore......government needs more private sector people..... like Trump....Vance.......Moreno.....would've trusted him to pick someone outside of politics.......that understands hunters and gun owners....should have picked someone right after election............12th hour announcement gives no one time to complain....

You asked if Biden passed any anti-gun laws, I answered your question. Its not my fault you don't like the answer, so stop trying to justify it.

You did well I'm not trying to justify anything. BUT I/WE have lost more gun rights under Republicans than democrats and I don't try to pretend otherwise just because they are my team and say what I want to hear.

Its the democrats that are trying to take away our gun rights no matter how people try to sugar coat it.

Then you should've asked that.

I don't respect weasels

So what did Trump take away as far as guns.

And yet The Republicans are responsible for 1934, 1968, 1986.. I know what each side say and also see what they have done.

I guess the difference is I'm not afraid to call out my own team and not a blind follower.

Thats all back in the day before democrats became bad.I'm looking at times now.

He is responsible for the bump stock ban the directly infl the atf to go after pistol braces. Both eventually got shot down and a log of people did get to register sbrs for free.

Some will make every excuse to absolve Trumps actions. like he knew it would not sta d or he stopped if from going to congress and passed into law. And they are ultimately correct those things happened.

But I don't buy for a sec it was planed like that. Why because of his " take the guns first due process latter" and I don't like the idea of them" referring to suppressors.. Those two things show he doesn't care or understand our rights.

Like you're doing with Biden's gun laws?

what are the gun laws like in democrat run states/cities?

Trump took a bullet to the head and ISN'T crying out for more gun restrictions.

That's a Gun Rights CHAMPION in my book.

let's see which side of the aisle votes for reciprocity...

Wow can you point out where I said I'm over looking anything? Yes I forgot about or over looked the stuff you post good reminder by the way. . That is expected from democrats thay say they want to take our guns openly. yes it's an infrengmen not it's not OK.

It also went through congress AND also had Republican support!!!! Bid didn't do it alone. Trump did. All the other restrictions I listed were under Republicans .

Now Reminf me who says thay are pro gun yet pass or executive order gun restrictions?


Maybe go back to the respect thread. I have more respect for the democrats they are open and honest about wanting take the guns. The Republicans lie and say thay are pro gun then pass restrictions.

I guess it's like a domestic violence situation and Republicans embrace the abuse.

worrying about bumpstocks is like a passenger on the Titanic complaining they don't like the music the band is playing, as the ship slips into the depths...

AMEN

It's about incremental steps and the fact how all the pro gun Trump fan boys like to try to pretend his actions don't match his words. Or the biggest gun control items were not done under republicans

Currently it's been shot down as well as the brace deal and is a non issue. The issue is the blind followers willing to excuse it and /or pretend it didn't happen. O it's OK because I don't like bump stocks any way at least it was not more right! He is still a true blue pro gun guy though.

Sad so many can't just admit he is what he is has his faults/weak spots and enjoy the day.. Pretending he is something he is not and defending the actions is a wast of time. It's a great day and been 4 years delayed.

Want to keep and get lost rights back quit excusing actions when done by republicans would be a good start I think. When my kids do thing wrong I call them out on it. I guess your politicians get a pass if it's your guy. Wonder why we keep loosing rights?

President Trump took a shot to the head and is still for guns.Enough for me.

No one said such a thing on this thread, except you.

Most were very cautious and you were agreeing with them. You turned this into what it has become.

So Trump did nothing and took away no rights, got it. I don't care what a politician says, I care what they do. Bump stocks are legal, why people keep bringing this up is beyond me.

Sorry I'm a no compromise individual. And yes I saw a few blind Trump post. Those optimistic but with reservations I respect. The others I asume6 may have not been pay attention or forgot.

No Trump did take them away the courts gave it back. See the difference. Government worked the way it was designed for once. The kicker Is it was shot down due to Trumps judges.

The point is he should not be believed Because of his actions.

"Wisdom becomes nonsense in the mouth of a fanatic." -Otto Schuwdrmer

where is your vitriol for your union leaders...THEY compromise.

and I dare say that you most likely compromise with your wife, so...

Hopefully he has better advisers this go around fingers crossed!!

I will take President Trump the way he is.The good,the ugly,the bad.The good far out weighs the other two by far.

That's different White Marlin, he just funds them with money.

apparently his "No Compromise!" position is situational...

And there it is White Marlin the a deflect from the topic and attempt to avoid facts and switch to personal.
And Bruce with he is better than the other guys so I will over look the weak spots.

Thanks for making my points perfect for me.

You wanted to throw stones, don't be surprised when some come back your way.

PF, you hold yourself up as the epitome of self-righteousness on this topic; so you open yourself up to scrutiny.

too bad your excuses don't hold up to logic.

I'm not concerned. When people have no way to counter logically they tent to deflect and move to personal attacks. It's expected.

Been through the union stuff several times If you missed it cool but since you bring it up I must assume you haven't. So either you have a serious reading comprehension problem( I highly doubt) or you just can't support your stance on merit(my belief) so you changed tactics.

WHO said "I'm a no compromise guy" as your excuse for dumping on Trump???

oops! I gave away the answer!

Actually I look at the over all good of President Trump.The man is head and shoulders above everybody else.To me they are not weak spots at all.

Like you don't repeat on every 2a thread?

Bump stocks and pistol braces are NOT 2A issues. They are commerce issues.

Let's say cars are a constitutional right. Then let's say someone put NO2 on their car and killed a whole bus of kids.

As a reaction the president at the time makes NO2 illegal to own. Would that be an attack on that constitutional issue?

Now I do disagree with Trumps view on rd flag laws, but I do believe, like all presidents sometimes do, he spoke before being educated on the issue. Time will tell on this issue.

I am not disagreeing with you on not liking banning bump stocks and pistol braces, but those items have zero to do with 2A. It was low hanging easy commerce fruit to appease the emotional masses that he knew would get overturned in court. It also averted attention to an add-on and not banning of a firearm.

Trump was able to grin and say I tried, honest I tried, as the SC overturned the issue. Notice how Trump did not express his "disappointment" at the SC decision and the issue died.

This explains it perfectly. Thanks for being honest.
So If you are willing to sell out our rights then YOU are why we keep losing them!! If this is you you are worse than the anti gunners. Turn coats typically are not looked on fondly throughout history.

and YOU have sold out your integrity, because your "No Compromise" stance is very situational.

So Trump has no lawyer that said the bump stock ban will not stand up at the SC? lol

I stand corrected white marlin it must be a reading compression or poor memory issue. I was giving the benefit of doubt . Thanks for clearing it up for me.

And no one to tell him Take the guns first due process later is not how things work. Some just don't see patterns when they don't want to.

I'm starting to think no compromise = vote who your union told you to vote for Anerican freedoms be dammed

Ok do Harris would have been better? Maybe Waltz boy? Hunter?

One of these needed?

well the no compromise guy is who said as long as congress takes rights thats ok, but the president shouldn't do it.

Thats a dang nice mirror.

Reading compression issues strike again. Maybe come up with some that disproves a single thing I have said about Trump and republicans on guns and show you have some intellectual ability. Or just prove you don't like the truth and are willing to sell out our rights as long as it's Republicans doing it.

lol.....when I worked for the union they hated me as they would call me to endorse and vote for someone.I would tell them no way I'm voting for that idiot.

You say so dang much- no way I am takin half the morning to read all that pontification. I got the high points Trump doesnt meet your approval.

Got a solution?

Nope I said It went through congress as it should have and had Republican support so more turn coats. I never said it was OK Regardless of how it went through. But I do prefer the government function as designed with more checks and balances vs executive orders.

Amazing how so man read what they want things to say not what they say.

Our public schools really have failed us.

I'm still stuck on "reading compression", can someone define that please?

Reminds me of a guy that dropped out of the NTA because the magazine got smaller, some just look for an excuse to come up with negative response.

Yep, quit excusing Republicans when they sell us out hold them accountable and let them know you don't approve of selling out your rights. Or just stand back wine and complain and keep geting more of the same.


You dont.let your kids or dogs do things you don't approve of you let them know . But if it's your Guy with an R well he says what I want to hear and is better than the other guy so I will pretend he is what he says on the issue even though I can see his actions show differently.

So in my hurry to respond to the dog pile auto correct strikes again. Do have anything of substance to respond with to dispute anything I said about Trump and Republicans records on Gun Issues? Or do you just need to post som pointless to try and feel intelligent?

So,,you hate Trumps stance on 2A so much,,I presume you voted for Kamellalaa??Or not at all? Third party?? Do tell.

already did, your to busy dodging, weaving, and covering your tracks.

Did I call it or did i call it!! Took longer than I thought but there it is. Way to go upstateNY. I will assume you missed the post clearing this up for you. I may go back and quote to to bring it back up for you to catch up
. So easy and predictable.

Nailed it.

Here you go

I think you deserve the credit for that.

10 more minutes

Listening to it now.

Amy Kolbuchars description of attendees was purposely snubbing to President Trump and VP Vance. She's a POS.

Thank you

In Trumps 4 years what did you lose as far as guns ?

OOOOH, OOOOH, I know, I know!!!

again. 160 with nothing of substance to add. Power for the course with you when it come to thinking Can not dispute a single thing on topic with valid points and had to resort to personal attacks in the group YoteTrap 30 30 dog pile PM attempt With the 5 or 6 others and you can't come up with anything here Either.


Anyone actually not going to act like an emotional Democrat and pick something I said that's incorrect and debate it? Or you going to let estrogen control you?

Trump taking oath NOW!!

Short memory I see.

AND IT'S OFFICIAL!!!

Congrats to America

4 years late and the spoiled trash is gone finally. So how long will it take to release the Jan 6 folks in lock up I hope that is done quickly!

I ask this honestly also. I am talking a federal loss of ownership of firearms or a firearm made illegal by EO. In my ignorance, I may have honestly missed something.

I am sure it will be done ASAP in his first few days.

In President Trump I trust.God bless him.

Here comes his speech, now.

Awesome

This speech is IN YOUR FACE DEMOCRATS! lol

He eo a ban on bump stocks With NRA support. It was eventually overturned by Trump Judges. It set the stage For the Biden white house to push th A T F to go after pistol braces and declare them sbrs. A lot of peo got in on the free registration of sbr during that time. That was also determined by the court that The ATF went out side it's power to determine that and only congress could make that change.

Both are thing of the past. And it can be argued and is That it was a a planed move by Trump to about
void it geting passed in congress( hard to get rid of) knowing it would not stand in the courts so was a 4 d chess move. I would love to believe this but it very hard when Trum has said things like take the guns first due process latter and I don't like the idea of them.when talking about suppressors.

Regardless fingers crossed he will do better this round and the garbage has been tossed out . It's time to celebrate.

Let me just say Predident Trump is a smart man.He amazes me every day.He is alot smarter then I am.

I like him but have a long memory and don't easily discard comments from the most powerful man in the world lightly. "Take the guns first due process later" Is very concerning and shows his state of mind.

Honestly that bothers me more than the bump.stock ban by a long shot. Neither was good but at least the bump stock ban can reason be argued it was strategic play. Hard to explain that statement away and shoots a hole in the strategic play argument for me at least.

PF answer the ? this happened that happened but truth be told you lost nothing. Maybe Trump got lucky but you can't name one thing cause there isn't anything.

So Trump didn't take away or ban any guns? Only commerce items?

Are you saying ammo, magazines, scopes etc are only commerce items?

When SCOTUS shot down the bump stock ban did they site the commerce clause?

I believe DJT has come to realize that it's shall not infringe

Unless something has changed in the last few months, I can still get any firearm I want. SBR’s or even fully automatic. Granted it takes a stamp, but I can still own them.
Curious if anyone out there has ever been “raided” or even stopped and questioned about your weapons while traveling or hunting or even shooting?

Oh brother- as if the ATF was stocking to the constitution until Trump gave them the go ahead to do otherwise.

And that from the guy who accuses us of a lack of reading skillz or short memories. LMBO

I lost nothing personally I never liked bump stocks so never had one. Full auto is not my thing either It's fun for a mag or two then just expensive wast of ammo.

He was willing to sell out? debatable. yet for the last time his other commen lay doubt to it was planed. Excuse it, blow it off if you want, it's our guy after all right. Just remember it was our guy in 86 and why you can't afford a happy switch or get a new gun equipped with one. Plenty of Republicans vote for gun control and we incrementaly loose more each time. Guns are my thing like really my thing and I don't take this stuff lightly. Compromise means we just lost some more we won't get back. To.mamy are good go along with it as history shows when it's Republicans doing the restrictions. The same people would throw a fit when dems push the same thing.

It sad so many are blind to this

That only happens at the doctor’s office.

Lol truth to that

And every single traffic stop with the typical do you know why I stopped you, where are you going and coming from, have you been drinking, any guns in the vehicle.

Haha, when I’m stopped they don’t have to ask. They’re in plain sight.
I remember when that started with the Docs. I just ignored him and he moved on.

If it wasn't for Republicans in your voting lifetime, you wouldn't have most of the guns you have. Take that to the bank!

Full auto and bump stocks are legal, YOUR reading comprehension sucks and like a politician you didn't answer the ?

Son now your getin all emotion again. do you need something for cramps?

Bumps stocks were illegal and full auto is legal but limited to things made and registered before May 1986.
Want a legal auto sear, lightning link or m 16 it will cost you 16 to 30k last I looked But should cost no more than standard AR. That darn supply and demand thing.

Can you kill something with ammo, magazines or scopes only?

The right to scope ownership shall not be infringed?

OK hippy the if this then argument Gets you nowhere. It's speculation at best not provable. What is provable is that the most restrictive gun control laws we have all were passed by Republicans and supported by the NRA.

Please come up with something to prove me wrong. Facts and provable not emotional speculation. I will check back tonight while I'm at work.

It's easier to fool someone that get them to admit they have been fooled.

Arms are not limited to guns!

He just wants to argue. No matter what you say, he is going to argue with you. That is why I am not wasting my time.

So once again, did President Trump take away or ban any guns? Only commerce items?

What Donald Trump's 'Concealed Carry Reciprocity' Means for Gun Rights
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Donald Trump promised to sign "concealed carry reciprocity" legislation if he won a second term in office.

The policy would allow gun owners with a concealed carry permit from one state to legally carry their weapons in other states.

Every state in the U.S. permits some form of concealed carry, but the regulations can vary widely.

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Some states do not require a permit to carry concealed weapons, while others demand permits, stipulating certain conditions. States such as California and New York have particularly strict requirements.

Trump spelled out his intention to change the law in a 2023 speech, stating: "I will protect the right of self-defense everywhere it is under siege. And I will sign concealed carry reciprocity. Your second amendment does not end at the state line."

Trump has long campaigned on a pro-gun platform and all three times he has run for president he has received an endorsement from the National Rifle Association (NRA) firearms rights lobby group.

Newsweek reached out to Trump's campaign for comment via email.


Former U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during the NRA ILA Leadership Forum at the National Rifle Association (NRA) Annual Meeting & Exhibits at the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center on May 18, 2024 in Dallas, Texas. He has promised to sign “concealed carry reciprocity” legislation if he won a second term in office. Justin Sullivan/Getty Images
Former U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during the NRA ILA Leadership Forum at the National Rifle Association (NRA) Annual Meeting & Exhibits at the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center on May 18, 2024 in Dallas, Texas. He has promised to sign “concealed carry reciprocity” legislation if he won a second term in office. Justin Sullivan/Getty Images
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The NRA and other pro-Second Amendment groups support loosening concealed carry laws nationwide.

The NRA's official policy goes even further than Trump has promised, advocating for what they call "constitutional carry," which would allow individuals who can legally possess guns to carry concealed firearms without needing a permit.

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This more lenient policy is also supported by other pro-gun groups, including the National Association for Gun Rights.

Democrats and groups that advocate for gun control have long opposed "concealed carry reciprocity."

In 2017, during Trump's first presidency, House Republicans passed the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, before it stalled in the Senate.

The Democratic National Committee said at the time: "An NRA pet project, this legislation would force states with more stringent gun standards to comply with looser regulations in other states, risking our public safety and making it more difficult to enforce state laws that save lives."

Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit group which advocates for gun control, has also criticized Trump's pledge to enact the concealed carry policy in his second term.

"Trump's vision for America: Guns everywhere, for anyone, with no questions asked," they wrote on Instagram in October.

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Mass shootings are on the rise in the U.S. There have been more than 455 of them across the country so far this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. Since 2020, there have been over 600 mass shootings per year.

President Joe Biden enacted various policies to try to stem gun violence throughout his presidency. Trump has promised to undo them.

"In my second term, we will roll back every Biden attack on the Second Amendment—the attacks are fast and furious—starting the minute that Crooked Joe shuffles his way out of the White House," Trump told a meeting of NRA members in May.

Kamala Harris, by contrast, ran on a campaign of tightening gun control, including introducing universal background checks and an assault weapons ban.

Trump has signaled that he intends to loosen gun control laws through executive action and replacing Steven Dettelbach—branded by the President-elect as an "anti-gun fanatic"—as head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The right to bump stocks and suppressors shall not be infringed?

Can't kill anything with either of those items unless attached to a firearm.

Na 160 you just can't counter anything with fact, reason or logic. Your cpu runs on emotion and feelings.

You are right I do enjoy a debate. And hope to run across someone that has a good stance and if can't out right Change my mind at least get me to think about it and I may relax my stance. I want to have
very more faith in people but people have a way of shooting that down..

Then stop ignoring my question and answer it.

Did Trump ban any gun?

You like simple questions when trying to express your point and help to educate.

I am giving you simple question. Can you give an answer?

You know better than that. I can kill you with my hands and feet and easily beat you to death with either of those.

A bolt or firing pin Is not a gun just a part should probably be OK to make them illegal right? parts are not guns after all.

Answering a question with a question is not a debate.

It is a sign your own argument is weak.

He is not going to answer that.

Here, just last year.
Just because you don't see all the "wins" republicans give you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I gave you sound advise earlier....you should study up on this stuff.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...pons-ban-mass-shootings-rise-2023-12-06/

I answered th questions or at least corrected the false statement and followed up With rhetoricalto show how ignorant the argument was.

But those items have ZERO to do with the 2A. I am just trying to keep everything tied. You think President Trump is weak on 2A. Those commerce items have ZERO to do with the 2A.

I know.

So what gun has President Trump banned?

Example of an answer.

No, President Trump did not ban any gun.

OR

Yes, President Trump banned (this) gun.

Ohh, and if you need more facts that prove you don't know squat about this subject, there's lots more.

PF:

Nope he stole people's private property and made their guns inoperable. Or threatened to lock them I'm prison for owning something that meets the leter of the law. He went around congress to do so.

Get hung up on Technicallys all you want . Like I said The emotional Trump walks on water croud can't hand to even admit the man made anti gun choices.

There has to be something true to the high amounts of estrogen in water supply and low sperm counts. I'm starting to see it in the way sonmany males run on emotions like women.

Tribalism at its best it is OK if it's my guy.

So go to personal attacks......About what to expect

just pointing out like I called it would happen and already went back and quote it again. Nailed it. Then my observation of how men have been acting more like women and women acting more masculine. I rememberEd the post about hormone levels in the water recently and thing just clicked.

TAKE IT PERSONALLY if you must and I won't point out that is another feminine trait I promise. don't want any hurt feelings over personal observations and pointing out how thing played out
exactly as I said they would.

Blah Blah Blah.......LOL

I hope he stick to it and it gets through both houses. They have all 3 branches and good court. But they had all 3 branches the first 2 years last time and went the wrong way. Only takes a few rinos and high pro shooting to get sold out.

Hopefully that won't hurt to many feelings but it probably will.

Ok, so I understand (call me stupid), what part of a gun did President Trump ban that made guns inoperable?

I will go get my testosterone shot while you contemplate your masculine answer.

And dude, if you can show me where I took anything personally in what you said then I will apologize. My posts on this thread will demonstrate otherwise.

As with any debate, I simply asked a question in reference to information you were providing.

You said you like debate. Do you only like it when you don't get frustrated?

I like you PF, but when you go to personal attacks, you lose the argument. That is debate 101.

And for the record, I have one feeling left and it is numb. JSYK.

I thought about readin all of this but it made me think of Procerbs 26:12

I You are no familiar with AR options apparently remove the stock and buffer tub they won't work. it's pretty simple.

What's a buffer tub?

So factory stocks and buffer tubes were made illegal under President Trump?

I must have missed that one. If that were true, this place and the rest of the AR nation would have went mad. There is no way in hades President Trump would have been elected if that were true.

So think about this PF. The big deal you and blaine county make about President Trump banning optional add ons on ARs and how bad President Trump was on that issue apparently did not relate to the ballot box. I did not see this brought up as an issue by the enemy mainstream media that will do everything possible to sink the USS Trump.

And the people on this site that do not share you or BC's views are exponentially different. I understand your concern as I had those concerns initially about President Trump in his first election. Ask anyone on here. I was not his cheerleader by any stretch.

But when faced with the choice of him or hildabeast, i had an epiphany. Then I realized how my views have changed over the years. I am not consistent with myself from the 20s, 30s, and 40s. Things change that shape our views.

President Trump wanted AR's banned in his book and a mandatory 10 day waiting period to buy any firearm. His position changed and I am glad of it. I do not see him in any way a threat to the 2A. I don't like his stance on red flag laws, but last I saw these laws are still a states rights issue. So even if he has a bad opinion on this as it relates to the 2A, federally it doesn't matter as there are no federal red flag laws.

So i ask you to consider your stance and look at things as to where we are now and where we were. President Trumps son is keeping him informed on the state of 2A in the US. President Trump will not enact federal red flag laws or ban any firearm.

Now as to things being made illegal bureaucratically, I would point you to President Trump saying he would fire the head of the BATFE. That dude retired quick (1/18/25) and left the position open for a new appointee. So buckle up and let's see who President Trump selects as the new BATFE director.

Lots of good things happening now. If you didn't see his speech today, you missed a thorough beating of the previous administration. IT WAS AWESOME!!

So, I say to you, give it time. Things are gonna happen fast.

You hav made plenty of mistakes in your life as we all have. You need to give the same grace you hoped to get when you made your mistakes.

MAGA 2025!!!

He actually blocked a red flag law.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ended-rule-block-mentally-ill-guns/story?id=53113891

Had to do with veterans with PTSD and your grandparents that you may take care of their finances. How quickly we forget.

Are you "no familiar" with AR options?

Let's not let facts get in the way of a good argument!

https://thegunzone.com/are-ar-15-pistols-illegal-now/

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/u...ions-and-sba-compliance-guide-2/download

I ask you to look at when these regulations were enacted.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/finalrule2021r-08f508pdf/download

Apparently I do need some schooling on whether or not a citizen has the ability to own an AR pistol.

So did President Trump make these illegal or any other accoutrement in his term as they pertain to an AR?

Or did the reigning BATFE director under Biden and the BATFE bureaucracy make them illegal?

I have thick skin. Correct me where I am wrong so I have a better understanding.

Seriously.

This might help you.

https://www.guns.com/news/2019/08/26/the-difference-between-an-ar-pistol-and-sbr

Then this.

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/biden-atf-pistol-brace-ban-vacated

hippie They don't get a prize for doing what they put there to so and doing that does not excuse them for doing the opposite when they do. Giving them a pass is why wre keep losing more. Hopefully The Republicans won't fight Trump This go around like last time and things get done at light speed. and in the right direction.


I sure thought the hearing protection act would pass the first two years controlling all 3 branches. I was disappointed. Not going to be so trusting this time. Hopefully but not going to be surprised when things go south. I will be happy to be wrong and surprised when they go right.

what percentage of the American Electorate saw the Hearing Protection Act as a top priority?

2, maybe 3 percent???

you're delusional if you think otherwise.

hippie I have had nfa items for nearly 2 decades. Have a suppressed braced pistol I put together for my youngest to deer hunt with when he was 6 and recoil sensitive in 300 black out. Due to our cal restrictions a brased pistol was legal for deer on public land for deer an sbr is not..

Bowhunter Trumps move embolden Biden and the ATF
.

go back and read my post slowly.

Remove a bump stock and buffer tub and it won't function. you have to replace it. He threatened to lock people up for up to 10 years and give them a 250k fine if they did not get rid of their privet property.


I get it you like the restrictions and gun control losses of freedom as long as the BRA says it OK and republicans push it.

Did u ever make a claim to any such thing? Nope only said the pro gun only reason we have gun rights Republicans sure are not interested in protecting those rights historically.

You're full of something.

I have posted news articles to two anti-gun laws Biden done, and you're still whining about something Trump did. I also posted one article where Trump eliminated Obama's red flag law.

No reason for me to even respond.

Again Do you expect democrats to be pro gun? I expect them to be anti. I also expect Republicans not to support any gun control. pretty simple . I see your ok with some Republican support of gun control as long as they push a little back. They have supported the biggest and worst gun control ever pased but hey look they pushed some small things back. All good right. This is exactly how we got where we are.

ring a bell? "I sure thought the hearing protection act would pass the first two years controlling all 3 branches. I was disappointed. Not going to be so trusting this time."

sounds like you got your panties in a wad because your priorities aren't popular enough to merit spending political capital.

Yea, you just send them money, lol.

I also showed you just one example of republicans saving your guns, but your to thick to see it.

No I expect them to do what they were elected to do. Instead many of the Republicans fought trump along with the democrats on everything. But om.sure you want to over look that.

How about that hues amendment in 86?

they WEREN'T elected to pass the Hearing Protection Act...that's the POINT! Only you and 4 guys from Texas gave a rat's behind about it.

no one ran on passing the Hearing Protection Act.

Pretty hard to vote those responsible for that out now isn't it?

Now isn't there some work you should be doing?

Geez, that was almost 40 years ago. Not exactly a "Current Event".

This ol' boy from Arkansas would have liked to seen that pass too. Unfortunately, the majority of Republicans in Congress are really democrats.

Ok, so in this post you assume a bump stock is a factory item. I know of no manufacturer that has a bump stock as a stock item on their AR build. That makes a bump stock an option not a firearm. So anyone with an AR-15 and a brain would keep their factory stock therefore the firearm was not made illegal by President Trump. The bump stock was made Illegal. A commerce item that, again, is not a firearm. it has no pertinence to the 2A.

So in looking at your side of the debate, by your own admission, it appears President Trump never made any specific firearm illegal.

Not playing gotcha at all. Just going by your words in this debate. So, let's move on from this argument since facts have been established and stop acting like the media when they talk about "full autos" when we know they are semi autos. It is a fact that President Trump never banned any firearm.

Now the BATFE bureaucracy may have banned some items, but that is the fault of that director, not the President. And bump stocks are 100% legal now. No matter what path you think this was accomplished.

"liked to have seen" and top priority are two very different things.

*I* would have liked to have seen it pass, but it wasn't my highest priority.

Nor mine. Repealing Obamacare during that cycle was my highest priority. However, seeing that most republican congressman are really democrats, that didn't get done either. We conservatives just need to do a much better
job during the primaries.

no argument from me there, J!

but remember, they have to win a general election, too.

and in a lot of places, a true conservative isn't likely to win.

do I LIKE that? heck no! but my feelings on the matter won't change reality.

I agree, I would have LIKED to see it pass but completely understand there were higher priorities. The group that wants OTC Suppressors is REALLY small in the grand scheme of things.

no, no, NO!...if *I* want it, that means EVERYONE in the country wants it, and stupid republicans won't give everyone what I want!

[stomp, stomp, stomp!]

I want and expect them to support the constitution as it was written and understood at the time it was written that They swear to uphold. That is #1. Im.sorry you don't have the same expectations

That is a pretty broad brush and there are only so many hours in the day.

How about just don't try to undermine the greatest documents ever written? Does that simplify it any?

Fingers crossed It will be seen Trump has a mandate And Even the Rinos Will stay in line. The term sur has started off on the right foot today.

Dude, you don't even have a comprehensive clue to what you just posted about knowing the U.S. Constitution!

Feel free to enlighten Me on what I know and don't. Sure seems like congress could use some help as well maybe you could help them out as well? Maybe clerk for them.and run for office later? We could use some intellectuals in Washington.

I am guessing when you take a dump it doesn't even stink, right?

that would be nice, wouldn't it?

what percentage of the American Electorate shares your views? enough to restore the Constitution?

you're naive if you think that.

So just don't strive for it and demand it. Go along to get along I see that will fix thing I guess. I wonder how we got in the shape we are in now!

stomp, stomp, stomp!

run for office yourself and fix it!

(here come the excuses...)

Ya, our country is already finished.. To many that can't even take a stand for what's right and prefer to make excuses that make themselves feel better about how they chose to go along to get along and how it's pointless. Men like you would rather attack those willing to say something to make yourself feel better about it . Untill things get bad enough people are willing to risk their comfort we will continue down the course we have been on. Heck can't even take a stand from behind a key board. I expect we will have a 4 year reduction in speed of the destruction but that's likely all it will be.

LIKE!

The ONLY thing to protect ALL our rights is for government to be absolutely sure that we armed citizens are willing to hang politicians from street lamps if they stop recognizing them.

Fact!

2x. Notice how they reacted about Jan 6th and a bunch of unarmed Americans protesting. Now imagine if they were truly there to cause violence. The most well armed population in the world Showed ununarmed and they were running scared. Think about that for a few minutes.

PF,

you can't name ONE politician who meets your standards. not ONE!

and Donald Trump comes closest to your observation of "Untill things get bad enough people are willing to risk their comfort we will continue down the course we have been on."; but you rag on him, too!

yep

Paul in KY and Nick Freits is Impressive. as well.

You will never like everything about every one and it's OK to call out their weak spots . You don't have to be a blind follower.

I like both Paul and Freitas, but they have compromised some over the years, too. If you insist, I'll dig up some bills they voted for that violate the US Constitution in some way, shape or form.

have either of those guys introduced bills to repeal the most draconian gun laws?

if so, I missed those efforts.

why aren't you on THEIR case??

I never claim any one Is perfect Said I liked them. I also like Trump. I only Harp on Trump because The fan boys act like the man walks on water and can't handle it and go off the deep end like a collage student if you refuse to use their pronouns.

If Trump did walk on water,,you would say"Look,,Trump cant swim".

so much for the self-righteous "no compromise" stance you wear on your sleeve.

I have a sister ("Saint Susan", we call her), who acts just like you do. Look at Me! Look at Me! I'm better than you!

she's MUCH more altruistic than anyone else in the family...just ASK her!

(actually, you don't have to ask...just listen to her for a few minutes and she'll TELL you!)

na that would be making an assumption. Logical maybe because he would have never need to learn but making a statement without anything to back it up is not my style.

^^^^ OK,,then you would say"Look,,Trump probly cant swim".

Only if there is a fan boy in ears shot!! got to say your response actually has me giggling way harder than it makes since.

You're not being honest...

You do this all the time, regardless, like you did to this thread when you put your foot in your mouth thinking Biden didn't pass any gun laws.

funny thing is, he's obviously jealous when anyone else (Trump, for example) gets a little attention.

Here's Where HE brought Trump into it. Did I say anything about Trump??

Someone has TDS I'm thinking, lol.

Among other things...

SJA........I'm. X2....with you....hit the nail right on the head with a few words.......

Depends on who's interpreting the Constitution.

the Tenth Amendment has been dead for DECADES.

The Tenth died on April 9,1865.

32 summit40 I'm sure your well versed and intelligent. How is that cage trap coming along or your plan to start a forum ran better with age restrictions coming along? How do you enjoy the dog pile?

no hippy read the thread title that is where Trump was brought into it.

The thread is about President Trump and he will protect the 2nd amendment as he says he will.

evidently PF is not well liked at home, has nobody to argue with him. he has made 60+ posts on this thread alone, trying to make a point that nobody cares about. So he does not 100%. believe Trump, he is still 1000% better than what we had, PF can take his opinion and go pound sand.

I respect your opinion. I back mine up with history. Don't like it ok it's like reading and thinking hard and scary for some people to do.


So far Trump has been knocking it out of the park doing things he said he was going to do. Hopefully that continues on with protection of the 2nd.

But just remember how many politicians are alway pro gun, BUT with their interpretation of what that means and what are reasonable restrictions. Maybe that's your type of pro gun guy? Myself my idea of pro gun guy is any restriction is an infringement. I know Radical and crazy to think shall not be infringed means exactly that and expect politicians to up hold it. Likely to find not a chance but roll over and accept it as its OK its my guy and beter than the other guy is sad and no back bone or solid morals.

Your entitle to live by your code don't get upset if its not up to someone else's standards.

I have a sister ("Saint Susan", we call her), who acts just like you do. Look at Me! Look at Me! I'm better than you!

she's MUCH more altruistic than anyone else in the family...just ASK her!

(actually, you don't have to ask...just listen to her for a few minutes and she'll TELL you!)

Hey feel free to your personal moral code whatever that my be. You don't have to feel insulted if you can't live up to mine and lash out. You do you brother.

LOL!

I sure wouldn't want to live your moral code!

carry on, SS!

This thread is like that bad accident you just can't look away from.

I'm sure Trump supporters will voice their opinion when Trump does something anti 2nd amendment, but first he has to do something.

X 2

Hopefully he won't and will restore a lot of our rights . The talk of geting rid of the ATF and other bloted out of control agencies is very encouraging. So far he has been knocking things he said he would do left and right.


But as this thread show there is a % of Trump supporters That will say things and others that will just make excuses and be good with anything he does.

LOL!!!

Just remember that these "collage" students probably learned to use spell check in college. Give it a shot sometime. It doesn't hurt at all.

One of these days maybe you will learn to come up with something to back up one of your views and also be able to back it up. Until then keep looking for anything you can pick at that helps you feel like your accomplished and intelligent. Believe me I know my spelling suck it's not going to get under my skin. I'm sure glad it give you something to post about though.

^^^^ my spellin is so bad,,,I once spent the night in a warehouse.

I spent a lot of nights in a warehouse.

Yea,,,but probly on purpose.

My point is that you could have a valid argument but by the time people read what you wrote three times trying to figure out what some words are supposed to be, where sentences should end, etc. your original message has lost all its meaning. I am not a fantastic at spelling either but if you are going to take the time to make a heartfelt post, take the extra couple of seconds to proofread and/or use spell check. People may take you more seriously then.

Something about this post reminds me of this clip from Tommy Boy.

Reminds me of the Emperor’s New Clothes.

Very good point and you're correct.

I think this thread ran its course and I started it.

Easily the best reply on this entire thread.

LOL! You just defined yourself as an internet troll!

Exactly what he does to all these 2a threads.

… what happened to Blaine county…. He’s usually in these types of threads

… I miss his trolling

Might take him awhile to get over the depression of Trump winning before he can bring himself to post.

LOL LOL Been trying to tell you guys !!! Most nuts come to the top and float. Lot like the things I treated at the sewer plants..........