The Gulf Of America

Is now offical .....nice ring to it

Winning.

It's great to have a President who loves our country, who will act from the position of strength he has.

Keith

Yes it sure is.

Nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love the sound of it.

Don't like it. . . . :"America's Gulf" or "The American Gulf" sounds better to me :-)

Nah I like The Gulf of America much better.

Seems like there is way more important stuff to do.

Thats getting done also.Its a moral booster To America

just because the USA changes the name of it doesnt mean the rest of the world does and probably never will

. . . and the fish don't care HA! :-)))))

Right now, threat of tariffs has the rest of the world bending over for the US.

Keith

yep

Who cares. ....it sounds good.

This is a domination move to Mexico....I aporove this message.

Biden passed a law that says the US can't drill in the gulf of Mexico. We're not going to drill in the gulf of Mexico. We're going to drill in the Gulf of America.

Ol dad

The rest of the world can pound sand .........this is about MAGA

canada is not bending you can threaten all you want you get lots of lumber ,oil and hydro from canada we can tariff the heck out of it as well china is already trying to buy all our oil and has been trying for a few years its the rest of the world you have to convince that it should be called the gulf of america over the gulf of mexico probably most people in the states wouldnt be able to find it on a map if asked

One thing for sure .......it'll NEVER be called gulf of Canada.....lol

Gulf of America makes more since to begin with. We have North America, Central America ,& South America .

It's not North Mexico, Central Mexico, and South Mexico. The US has the same amount of cost in the gulf as well.

The only way it made Any since was before we took Texas.

Lets see who wants it more. I'd rather see our military protect this area than a bunch of sand dunes......

Where have u been?

Gulf of America name change only took up a few minutes of his time.

We really dont care what the rest of the world thinks!

The US has all the oil and lumber it needs. The democrats just prohibited it's harvest. President Trump is allowing the harvest of our resources. Canada has some better crude, but doesn't have the refineries to process it because of it's draconian environmental laws. Even ultra liberal trudeau readily admitted US tariffs would destroy Canada's economy. It's not going to come to that. President Trump is going to get Canada to enter a mutually beneficial relationship with the US. I believe that within 10 years we will be 1 very large, very wealthy, very powerful nation.

Watch the recent interviews with Pierre Poilievre. He seems to completely believe that the US and Canada will become closer. Together we will be an amazing country.

Keith

The world view of this country has survived the last 4 years.....we can weather this easier than a wet fart.

Every country better get on the Trump train or suffer the consequences. MAGA

Well said

Official to who? Is there some internationally recognized book of official ocean, sea and gulf names that it will be registered in? Am I'm gonna have to buy a new map? Seems silly.

Rig counts are down again across the states

Oil companies haven’t suddenly started increasing drilling and it doesn’t seem like they have any plans to increase,,,,

Yes I know it’s only week 1,,,,,

If tariffs are suddenly implemented???

It’s going too hurt everyone!!

A lot of talk,,,,,so far

So What. We are one of the few very countries that doesn't use the metric system. This is why we are the USA.

I cheer for the renaming of the Gulf! It seemed that we controlled and patrolled the Gulf. Our Coast Guard was always patrolling in airplanes and boats.

We had a beautiful house right on the Gulf of America - on one of the Florida islands. Porch to salt water was about 300 feet. It was a great place to go in January and February. We kept there a car, a big boat, and an airplane. Maintenance, property taxes, and insurance became prohibitively expensive so we sold out about 8 years ago. Unfortunately, we learned that among others it was destroyed in the recent hurricanes,

We don't need a new map to call it the Gulf of America.

X2
There is no way Canada would want to be part of the dumpster fire that is the USA.
You are on the verge of a civil war,we want no part of.
We are too different of a people to ever join you foreigners.

Good!

You believe the Indians, Chinese and Muslims who are taking Canada from you, are more similar than us, who are literally cousins of yours, from the same countries and culture?

Keith

The US can’t refine most of the oil it’s pumping already. That’s why you buy our oil instead because it’s a better quality heavy crude. You can say all you want that the US doesn’t need anything from other countries but that doesn’t jive with trumps efforts to take over other resource rich nations.

Biden passed a law that says the US can't drill in the gulf of Mexico. We're not going to drill in the gulf of Mexico. We're going to drill in the Gulf of America.

I wondered why Trump was doing that, it will always be the gulf of mexico to me but if changing it's name means he can get our offshore rigs back drilling then that's great, makes sense now.

Glad to see there was some point to it. Now let's go drillin'!

You two stay right up there in Pakistanada where you belong.We dont want you here.You smell like Curry.HAHahahaaaaaaaa

Next up, changing the name of French fries to something more American.
That or turning on the mysterious water valve.

You will just be told they don’t need it by someone that does not understand their refineries are built to refine the heavy crude not the crude they get. They will say drill baby drill not understanding what they drill won’t make the cut.

I’m sure all of the potash their farmers get from us too will be miraculously replaced by what they don’t have. Or maybe the trade war will just result in massive subsidies to farmers like it did last time. I’m sure they’ll love that over just selling their commodity at better prices.

"Trump Fries" kinda has a ring to it.

bend ovah and pants down

Forgotten in all the hub-bub over the Gulf name change is the fact that Denali was again named Mt. McKinley.

Alaska's two senators are in opposition to the change.

Alaskan senator Lisa Murkowski was also one of only three turncoat republican senators to vote against Hegseth's Sec. of defense nomination.

Hey, look over there, he's changing a name................................

Meanwhile a lot of important stuff is getting done.

SE NM has about a jillion tons of potash. I have hauled a lot of it. A lot. Never brought any down from Canada though. KS oil is being refined right now in El Dorado, Coffeeville and McPherson. We can easy set aside the regs that wont allow us to modify or build more.

The stuff everyone is whining about worked pretty good 8 years ago. Obama had tanked the economy and trump revived it. I see no reason why it wont happen again.

I dont understand why any Republican would ever want Canada to become a state. Polls consistently show Canada would vote Democrat, and they have a higher population than California, so they'd have a lot of electoral votes. Seems like a good way for a republican to ensure republicans can't become president.

Danny, NM produces half a million tons per year. You import nearly 12 million tons to fill the need. Being able to supply about 5% of the need won’t cut it. Someone from Kansas should know how badly guys growing corn in Kansas would suffer from a 25% tariff on potash. You can even read about it in current articles from Kansas. Just because you support a team doesn’t automatically make everything the team does the right move.

Art of the deal

Seems to me, trumpster is trying too get Canada to clean up its act,,,,stop freeloading, do something about the drug/ immigration issues,,,,

If Canada would address the issues he’s pointed out??

It would be good for Canada and the states

Unfortunately Canadian politicians are using the chaos of the crisis for their own gain

In Indiana and KY they truck pot ash out back to the mines and we have stair stepped mountains of it they cover with a layer of dirt.

We can produce everything we need. Often it's government regs stoping the free market. If the need hits we can move back the the manufacturer machine we were in ww2. Just need government to get out of the way. Exactly what Trump is doing.

Amen

You guys and your girly leaders will do as TRUMP says from now on.TRUMPS yer Daddy now and you know it.

PF, it is actually funny that you think this way. Don’t let facts get in the way , just assume you have enough potash instead of actually looking into how desperate you are for it.

I’m sure in four years you’ll be a net exporter instead of importing about 90%. Lol

We import about 80% of the Potash that we use.Most of that comes from you.I think Saskatchewan has one of the largest Potash deposits in the world.That being said,,,we could just send a Girl Scout Troop up to slap yous around and take it from ya.

Upstate. I appreciate the humour and find it in good fun. But seriously, at least the Girl Scout thing is actually acknowledging that you do indeed not have everything you need. Some statements are actually myths, that is one of them. There are many things that every country cannot produce enough of on their own no matter how badly they desire.

It just rained in California, where the wildfires are, Right after Trumps visit, just sayin.

I know that.Trump is just leveling the playing field.Biden didnt care if our citizens got screwed by other countries,,as long as him and his druggie son got paychecks from them.Trump dont roll like that,,and really does put America first.Now send down some more Canadian Club.

We could get potash from a number of sources, Israel for one who has twice the reserves that Canada has. While it would be more expensive we don't NEED our northern neighbors for anything.

Delete this before others read it. LOL Where do you even come up woth the notion that Israel has twice our reserves. Please for your educational sake, do some basic research. LOL
Canada has 33% of the world's reserves. The next highest is sanctioned Belarus, then Russia, then China, then you guys with about 1/7 of what we have. Israel, maybe in the group called "rest of world" that makes up a whopping 15% of world's reserves. What's it matter though where you get it when you're tacking on a big tariff, the farmers will all pay dearly. It's comical that you think you need nothing from anyone, it really is. It would be like me saying we don't need your military support. For real, that's how ridiculous the idea is. haha

I have edited due to research, for you. World production in thousands of tons per year. Canada 221,875 Israel 3626. That's some weird twice as much math. In Canada twice as much means 200% more not 1.5 % as much.

Gosh I hope you're not the friendly farmer I had a good b.s session with at a gas station in some little town north of Sturgis last July for I have nothing but fond memories of that guy.

Reserves are different than production, Canada has 1,1 billion metric tons Israel has 2 billion metric tons.

If Trump can blackmail Opec into increasing production driving price of oil down, my guess is U.S. drilling will slow down to a crawl.

"Meanwhile, the president’s special envoy to Ukraine and Russia, Keith Kellogg, said Friday that OPEC+ cutting oil prices to $45 per barrel could push Russia to end the war.


“Russia is gaining billions of dollars of money from oil sales,” Kellogg said in a Fox News interview. “What if you drop that to $45 a barrel, which is basically a baseline break-even point?”

Won't be good for Alberta either.

Won’t be good for anyone

There’s a sweet spot,,,,to high and it hurts/to low and nobody makes money

It’s not 45$

I bet Russia can make money at $45.

You tuck tail and run from stone age camel humpers and leave billions of your stuff behind you were so scared.
That really says big bad wolf-NOT,lol.

A bunch of winos from saskatoon would mop the floor with your ilk,lol.

Boco would not be a very wise move on Canada's part right now.

No, Israel and Jorden get potash from the Dead sea, which itself has nearly 2 billion tons of potassium chloride. That is a far far far far cry from Israel has 2 billion metric tons. It's astounding that you are so obtuse on this one. LOL And I'm pretty sure it is production that actually gets potash to Viterra or Cargill and into a truck and onto a farmer's field more so that the reserve of the dead sea.

Boco your quick to point out, and rightfully so, that Canada and the U.S. have fought together in every conflict since 1917. So then the camel humpers whipped you too? I say the camel humpers whipped our politicians who would not let the military level the countries they were sent to.

Back to the subject at hand - renaming the gulf seems pathetic. Like are we that insecure? Are going to rename New Mexico as well? The truth is that we live in a global economy. Lots of other folks “need us and our resources and we need lots of other folks. The fact that we are a net importer of everything except wheat, oil, and popular culture makes me think we might need them a little more than they need us.. I’m not suggesting we shouldn’t stand up for American interests and citizens, but having a little class wouldn’t hurt.

Just the opposite......

This America last concept is what brought us to the edge of the cliff

MAGA

Nope, they need us more than we need them.

I bet Denali is still what most people call that mountain too.

Yep called Mount McKinley

Trump is a native of NYC. Why would we not expect him to go off the rails once in awhile? I dont mind. He is taking care of the important stuff.

"DENALI chaga
Bringing you the highest quality Chaga. All from Alaska, our Chaga is sustainably sourced, processed, and made to be enjoyed by you.



Proudly sourced in our home, Denali, Alaska"

Great post. There's no shame admitting we need each other. Yes, one maybe needs the other more in some areas but vice versa.
Worrying about who needs who more seems kind of childish really.

rvsask, how about this, the US could get potash, all that they need, from somewhere other than Canada. It's astounding you know what obtuse means.

Dirt I get Chaga from my brother in Alaska

You know it is in Maine.

Get chaga here as well in Maine

Danny boy here is correct. I’d whop Mike Tyson’s arse if his hands were tied behind his back…..lol. But not Hoyce Gracie, Canadas like Hoyce…🤪

Until you force google to change, you achieve nothing!

Can’t believe I skimmed through all these posts from the beginning. I wonder what the average level of schooling is for us members of Tman?

Is it as astounding as thinking Israel was going to be the answer to your potash? lol

Maybe you can get it from Belarus, Russia or China , the next three biggest producers?

I’m sure the freight cost will be nice, so will the tariffs. Haha I mean I realize it’ll cost us more to move it to BC or the Atlantic coast to ship overseas but let’s not pretend someone won’t buy it or that you won’t have to buy it from somebody.

I just read about how Mexico as well as us recently in the past few days turned down US orders for steel. I know, I know you don’t need it. ( but you import it) Better ramp up production then because 2 people you get from just said no.

Evan the South Dakota Farmers Union “worries about permanent damage to the states to commodities” over the tariff thing. I’m sure the article is just some left leaning fake news though.

It’s about ac trade deficit and nothing more. Anything else is smoke and mirrors.

Days, maybe weeks and that will be the case. According to Fox News, "Google will make the changes once the Department of the Interior updates the Geographic Names Information System."

Nice

If anyone thinks we need anything from our neighbors north or south. Hummmm

I enjoy traveling to Canada.I always make a trip and have a big lobster feed every year.

You just wait till we ( TransCanada ) build the XL pipeline to make the U.S. even more energy independent.

Well, We're smarter than we appear. It's always good to be underestimated.

We have a huge amount of potash the left has been buying it from other countries. Just in NM we have huge potash mining facilities.

Dirt, I can’t decide if that is satire, I hope so. If not, please do some reading to see what Keystone XL was for. Hint: to move Canadian Crude to Gulf Coast refineries.

Satire.

Don't tell our neighbors to the north that, if they cut us off we will all starve to death.

You think the Democrats import potash? lol. No wonder your take on this is skewed. Is Pan American Grain Co the left? They’re your biggest potash importer. I’m sure the other 300 plus importers are all democrats too.

You really should look into your self sufficiency when it comes to this, you’ll quickly learn you can not even come close on this one. Does that go against the narrative?

We’ll import it from other countries as we did during the miner strike and the potash will move up the Mississippi instead of south on rail.

2.5% across the board,,,increasing monthly???

Could be,,,,

Prices on everything go up??






https://www.ft.com/content/7fb420b9-1bd1-4c68-8575-94e99315051c

Yep.

Haha, not really. I like the sarcasm. You don’t need corn fields to ensure you don’t starve. But your farmers won’t love higher inputs. In all honesty, it’s great you support country but you both have a lot to learn on what you do in fact need and what you in fact do not.

Don’t believe me, just look it up.

Dirt, good to know. lol

P.S. Let’s get it built.

This is a funny thread. I’m impressed with the pride we all have in our countries. Good on you folks.

The tariffs won't end up being applied to Canada and Mexico because they will give in to President Trumps demands. The US by far has the upper hand in trade relations. It's not even close.

If Mexico was stupid enough to refuse to give the US potash, the US who supplies 99% of the yellow corn Mexico desperately needs, could have them begging for forgiveness by withholding just that in weeks. Without the US as a trade partner, Mexico would fail.

"Nearly 99 percent of Mexico’s yellow corn imports come from the United States, a trade valued at $5.3 billion in 2023."

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5091828-us-mexico-trade-dispute-corn/#:~:text=While%20Mexico%20is%20self-sufficient%20in%20white%20corn%20used,a%20trade%20valued%20at%20%245.3%20billion%20in%202023.

Keith

Ok... we renamed a body of water that actually won't be called that. Check. Now when do prices of essentials in stores come down as promised would be day one priority???

Mexico could just buy corn from Brazil and Argentina.

Probably but shipping might be more than the tariff.

True. It's rail all the way from the Midwest right into the middle of Mexico. The shipping container doesn't need to be changed.

When energy prices come down, cost of goods go down. In theory anyway.

Ol dad

As long as people keep buying, companies will keep charging. No way any company drops prices cause fuel drops until they start losing market share.

100 percent correct. Something any high school kid should be able to understand. Yet so many believe that he will be able to lower prices in stores as he promised he would

There's a huge number of companies fighting for market share and low cost to get started, always add to that number. Antitrust laws were created to allow more competition.

President Trump needs to look into using antitrust laws against the foreign companies who now control most of our meat production. Rand Paul has been pushing to make it easier for new processors to start butchering and selling for years. I hope Rand succeeds.

Keith

Biggest stock loss in history today.
China rips off the states for a trillion dollar loss.
MAGA.

Lol

The NVDA loss yesterday was sure something, but my opinion is the market was overreacting to a bit of news. NVDA is already up over 5% today in pre-market trading.... I guess we'll see....

NVDA is up 24000% in the last ten years,,,,,1900% in the last 5 years

Drops 15%,,,,,on cheap Chinese knock off news,,,,

Eventually someone is going to compete with NVDA

Tariffs on chips incoming

Booco be back in full troll mode.

Boco I will take President Trump over what you have any day.

You people need a life. Read the “The Art Of The Deal” it’s all about setting up the Deal. Then let’s talk, you are doing actually what he wants leaders of countries thinking and doing.

We ain't stupid, just some never made it past grade 4....lol

We just had more important things to learn then perfect sentence structure.

True that

Yeah school is such a waste. I mean I'm sure the people that came up with the technology we are using now, or oil extraction technology, splace exploration, or energy technology or artificial limb technology or modern brain/heart surgey, cancer treatment methods, modern dentistry, modern vet medicine, the combustion engine, animal science, genetic modification of crops etc etc x a million, had way more important things to do than school.

I never understood why they were called French Fries anyway. After all, they were first made in Greece.

Seriously, unless it is for drilling law purposes, this fake renaming to Gulf of Mexico is much ado about nothing. A rose by any other name...

Google changed the map.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/28/tech/google-maps-gulf-of-mexico-america/index.html

Why are hamburgers not called beefburgers?There is no ham in it.

Awesome

Cool

The military is turning on the water for Cali as we speak. Keep up folks.

Frenching is a culinary term that, in the case of veggies, refers to cutting into thin strips, and in the case of meats, refers to cutting away the meat and fat from a rib roast for a more asthetic look (like a standing rib roast or a crown roast).

So potatoes cut into thin strips and fried, have been frenched, hench french fries.

Winning

What stops the next President from changing it back?

From the article......"Google notes that only users in the United States will see both changes because when “official names vary between countries, Maps users see their official local name."

Sounds like google is just doing it to humor Trump. The rest of the world will still see "gulf of Mexico" and "Mt Denali".

Google maps on my computer still shows gulf of mexico and mt Denali. When I search Mt McKinley in google maps, it says it can't find it.

So . . . . French toast?

Hey, My dad made it to grade 6, then it was time to work on the farm, mom grade 9 then off to work. Dad ran his own company until he died. Well educated, no way, but give him a print on how they want a curvy,wavey and angled ceiling to look, and he'll figure out how to frame it. The old disgruntled french carpenter who framed our addition say's the new Journeymen can wipe their arse with those papers...lol.

Maybe only in the US?, This is google earth as of 1min ago.........not official yet, lol

LOL Let me guess, some YOUTUBE expert, Facebook or Truth Social, maybe even X.

The countless articles from a wide variety of local, national and international media sources right now about the falseness of this claim are obviously all MSM leftist fake news things for those claims could never ever be inaccurate. LOL

Loosegoose that was supposed to be a joke. You may be too young to remember when things were deep fried in grease (Greece) instead of using the modern term of oil. Oh well, I thought it was funny.

This thread has you triggered and its funny to watch!

ol' dad

Ol' dad, I'd say amazed more than triggered. None of it really affects me but some of the absurdities and verifiably false statements on here are indeed funny that's for sure.

I hear the yankees are changing the names of the great lakes to lake donnie,lake eric lake ivanka lake barron and lake melania.

Next thing you know Canada will be running ads about how we need to work together and all the good things Canada does for the US. lol

Maybe you should change your news source
It is a fact that troops are in LA, words came from the President's mouth

You and Boco are just jealous that we have a real leader
Promises made, Promises kept

Yup.Gonna rename some stuff in Canada too.James Bay will be called D.J.Bay.TRUMPS yer DADDY now Boco.

MAGA.lol.

MAGA....thru and thru

Them illegal immigrants wont give up! Even Mexican Gulfs trying to sneak in and be America. What next Canada Geese changing there name to America Geese?

I have multiple news sources I view, not "my source". Fox is even one of them. Troops in LA really doesn't prove the military turned water taps on, you should read why they are there, and presidents never say false things right? Now go back in time 6 months before you answer that. lol

"But never My President!". lol

Maybe he can order Canada Goose to become American Goose and bring back valuable coyotes? There's gotta be someone on here who believes that.

Here it means “Make Americans gullible again”

I like it!

No.......They got rid of biden

"Lo and behold, President Trump has discovered a new political hero to idolize: President (1897-1901) William McKinley of Ohio whose election was orchestrated by the wealthiest man in Ohio (and the U.S.), John D. Rockefeller, who ran the Standard Oil Company out of his Cleveland home. President Trump’s new hero is his new hero because he was known in the U.S. Congress before being elected president as the most rabid Republican party protectionist in a party that was founded on the principle of protectionism (and of corporate welfare and a national bank) in the mid 1850s. The 1890 McKinley tariff was named after Representative William McKinley because of his notoriety as a tool of the Northern manufacturing plutocracy. It created the highest average tariff rate in U.S. history up to that point and targeted such items as wool and tin with especially high tariff taxes, some exceeding 100 percent. It caused such a spike in the prices of such items that in the next election the Republican party was wiped out, losing both houses of Congress and the White House, with the Democrat party having a 2-1 advantage in the House. McKinley himself was defeated and was installed by his Rockefeller handlers as the governor of Ohio."

Mises Institute

Sounds good to me.President Trump knows what he is doing.

… the gulf of canada

Canada needs to get on the ball like Trump is and put a flag over the northern passage or Putin will soon be calling it the Moscow passage.

We got it under control up here

They’re rolling out “2 weeks to flatten the tariffs”

I think someone has the world’s attention. (Columbia)sanctions and tariffs are a wonderful thing. Smile it’s coming.

Don't know.

There's a local still up there somewhere.
https://publications.americanalpine...00/Terrance-Manbeck-Mugs-Stump-1949-1992

I remember when this happened.

Wonder what Trump will rename Canada?

Mcga

Yep. Inflation is terrific. I wonder how many people do not actually know who pays the tariffs? The importer pays the tariff, they pass it to the consumer. Enjoy the higher cost of the, well tens of thousands of items you import. Cheering that is wild, partisanship is a weird thing.

It's also a weird this putting the squeeze on US based businesses who import stuff while at the same time touting economic freedom. Make it make sense.

When he sees who most of the population is there and smells all the Curry,,, he will name it Pakistanada.

There goes Bocos canoe !!

Are there lots of east indians here or which part of Canada are you talking about?
As for rvsask's statement, it's so simple. If there's 25% or whatever tacked on, do they think the exporter will just eat that cost?.....lol. Probably eh?
Instead of importing all this stuff, just make it the USA, it's that easy right?

They are too fired up to grasp basic concepts like the threats of tarriffs are a crucial step in the inevitable negotiations.

Keith

United States of Canada has a nice ring to it.

That does have a good ring to it

The US States, that Canada will inevitably become, within the next 10 years, will likely use their current Province names, after being given a chance to select the names.

Keith

Trump North sounds good, lol.

Trumpland

Tony Schwartz is my favorite author.

Bad name for a state that would vote democrat.

Them will be deported to Mexico

It’s amazing how fired up you guys are over something that means nothing. The entire rest of the world see and knows the Gulf of Mexico. You seeing it the way you want is about the same as men calling themselves women and expecting the world to accept it. We all know the truth. A bigger question is what happened to ending the war in Ukraine within 24 hours of being elected? What about lowering the cost of living? Seems the price of everything is going up. But sure Kevin, you be happy someone wrote Amanda on your ID.

Actually means drill baby drill.....Also to me the bigger questions are what is happening right now in our own country such as getting the illegal thugs,gang members,murderers,and rapists off the streets.

During Trumps first term he had tariffs and low inflation. Someone payed it but not the consumer, pretty simple eh?

Make ALL of North America Great Again, Eh?

MANAGAE.......wait, that takes 3 countries....Greenland too, why not?

The Biden administration kept most of the Trump administration tariffs in place, and in May 2024, announced tariff hikes on an additional $18 billion of Chinese goods, including semiconductors and electric vehicles, for an additional tax increase of $3.6 billion.

Was there any inflation here?

Maybe it is me, but you gotta ask yourself, if tariffs are this great conservative economic idea, why the heck didn't Biden get rid of them?

Do your homework teacher. Historically, tariffs have been shown to have little impact on the price of consumer goods. Look back to Trump 45 and how his tariffs during his term as POTUS had very little effect on prices and the overall economy.

You talk a good game but lack the basic facts to back it up.

You mean the ones not in the federal government I assume?

Lugnut, see Dirtt’s post.
Like I said, time will tell.

Did tariffs bring any of those steel jobs back, numbers say no.

But honestly, clever opening to your post, I’ll give you that. I appreciate wit.

Is the GOP Still the Party Of Free Trade?

Source: Ronald Reagan Institute

First off, you have to understand that almost all of our trading partners already have tariffs on us, 20 % would just get us back to even, in round numbers, so it isnt some evil plan. Canada has been playing games with the dairy , beef and lumber prices for ever, no angels there.
biden didnt get rid of them because as a democrat, any revenue stream is ripe to be plucked.

Canada heavily subsidizes it's lumber industry as well. They government pays private companies to harvest and process softwood lumber. That is how they are able to unfairly undercut the American lumber industry. Trump is simply leveling the playing field with Canada and, as you stated, many other countries that have been charging tariffs on imported American goods.

Don’t let this bother you. This is all in fun.

So that's the extent of your research and attempt to educate yourself on the subject of tariffs?

"See Dirtt's post."

I haven;t read through all the post. I believe the gulf is ours. The gulf of America is appropriate. As far as taking the Canucks and PR, no! They are weak, let them choose...They got nothing.

The USMCA is Trump's trade agreement and most of the tariffs seem to be zero both ways? There is definitely some protectionist crap in this for the UAW.

October 1,2018

"I am thrilled to speak to the American people to share truly historic news for our nation, and, indeed for the world. I want to thank Vice President Pence for joining us this morning. It is my great honor to announce that we have successfully completed negotiations on a brand new deal to terminate and replace NAFTA and the NAFTA trade agreements with an incredible new US-Mexico-Canada Agreement, called “USMCA.” It, sort of, just works: USMCA. (Applause.)

USMCA. That’ll be the name, I guess, that, 99 percent of the time, we’ll be hearing: USMCA. It has a good ring to it.

I have long contended that NAFTA was perhaps the worst trade deal ever made. Since NAFTA’s adoption, the United States racked up trade deficits totaling more than $2 trillion — and it’s a much higher number than that — with Canada and Mexico. It lost vast amounts of money, and lost 4.1 million manufacturing jobs, and 1 in 4 auto jobs. Lost about 25 percent of our auto jobs — even more than that.

Throughout the campaign, I promised to renegotiate NAFTA, and today we have kept that promise. But, for 25 years, as a civilian, as a businessman, I used to say, “How could anybody have signed a deal like NAFTA?” And I watched New England, and so many other places where I was just — the factories were leaving, the jobs were leaving, people were being fired, and we can’t have that.

So we have negotiated this new agreement based on the principle of fairness and reciprocity. To me, it’s the most important word in trade because we’ve been treated so unfairly by so many nations all over the world. And we’re changing that."

MAGA!

Okay, we’ve established you guys don’t like that our forestry allows for cheaper lumber because it’s mostly public forest bid on by private companies as opposed to high stumpage fees on crown land. We get that you don’t like that Canada has a supply management system to protect dairy producers from volatile markets but enlighten me on the beef games.

I am no economist but I do like U.S. history. Government did get funded without income tax for a long time. There was also no welfare, medicaid or social security. The military did not have huge bases in in Europe and Japan either. There was not a lot of veteran benefits. IF we want to keep that stuff IMO we will have to have some kind of income tax. Also IMO it could be greatly simplified. Its crazy that there needs to be business dedicated to preparing tax forms and advising on how to take advantage of all the exceptions.

The bulk of the research I did said yes they are historically bad in terms of causing inflation. Realistically, it was just a simple google search asking those exact words. Most pieces said yes, but a few said no, so what happens to consumers in the future is really to be seen. One piece used cars as an example when discussing the current situation , a car valued at $50000 would be subject to $12500 . It would be up to the importer to eat that all, eat some of it or pass it onto the consumer.

Flat tax?

During Trumps first term he had tariffs and low inflation. Someone payed it but not the consumer, pretty simple eh?[/quote]
You mean the ones against China, or the ones he lifted on Canadian products?…..lol. Yea, simple.

Like I said I am no economist. I know I made more money under Trump than Obama or Biden. Let the number crunchers figure out how to do it. It is just absurd that if the printed tax code were all on typing paper in regular sized print it would fill a high school gymnasium.

You’re late to the party. We’re way past the gulf, the economic experts with a grade 6 education have it all layed out for Trump…..lol

Hey look-there goes America,lol.

TRUMPs yer Daddy now boco. M.P.G.A. Make Pakistanada Great Again

… I hate it when google gives vague answers to my questions

Awe Kid

Almost spit my wine out.Almost. Hahahaaaa

Lug, this is false. The government owns the forest, private companies are given allocations, not paid to harvest it. That’s not the same as what you are stating. Is it advantageous that they are able to acquire wood cheaper than in the us market? Yes, it is, but that’s a benefit of not privatizing everything. It is also done to spur economic activity in remote regions. Not trying to be antagonistic but being from PA you likely cannot picture what many people in the northern regions would do if not for the government spurring economic activity. There’s not much else in many of these places to create employment. In the area I live I wouldn’t even want guess how many people work in forestry but what I do know is that there would be much less good employment if not for forestry. It’s okay to hate it, I don’t take that personally. I just think the at the end of the day some of our timber is actually required, much like we require your vegetables from California in the winter.

Savell, I laughed out loud, good sense of humour.

Hey Savell,throw out a couple jug lines as your country swirls down-Maybe you can snag a brown trout or two for supper,lol.

MAGA.

…. That’s mescins gettin flushed back to their - hole countries lol

Here’s what I got…..your US google is gay as eff…

Percentage of fairies in the USA-7.6%
Canada 4%

America is twice as gay as Canada,LOLOL

I knew there were way more before I googled it,but I didnt figure Americans were twice as gay LOL.

Awe, look at boco trying to save face.

This whole post is gay and y'all, Americans and Canadians are crazy.

Most of the fruit bags in the US are from Canada.....

Come out of the closet catch,lol.

Just send all the fruit bags from USA and Canada to Mexico

Man, I hope the National in VA won’t be gay as eff…..not that there’s anything wrong with that. Don’t want to offend anyone here seeing as almost 8% of you are a little light in the loafers.

….. nice pic …ehhhh

Probably True

The USA has 8X more people, so if Canada had as many people you would be 32% gay
Just saying

Bunch a jerks!

He's a proud 4 percenter.

Your answer explains a lot…..lol. You failed grade 6 math eh?

4X8 is 32
Or does the metric system have a different answer?

Percentages. What’s 7% of 100…….whats 7% of 1000……see how they work?

If 4% of your population is gay and you increase it 8 fold you have a 32% gay population
See how that works

How it it possible that Savell's posts are the least stupid posts on this thread?

Canadians chose to be led by and follow one. We haven't






Keith

You are my hero! I am sure if you asked Boco he could explain the answer to you.

Why? Are you making another sandwich?

If all the closet queers like 160 loser,Savell and Upchuck NY came out there would be 3 times as many queers in the states as Canada instead of only double,LOL

When are you planning to move to be with your "kind"?

kinda like OUR government raising taxes on the "greedy corporations", no?

before Trump, EEEVIL Corporations would [finally] pay those "fair share" taxes, not the consumer.

what changed???

There you are....how many traps did you set today?

me? none.

You?

is there a quota?

Someone needs to put this one in the archives

Just curious, have you ever been to PA and seen the trees? I have been to Chibougmau, Quebec by way of Grand Remous dozens of times and seen the big Domtar yard off of 117, unless something has changed I have seen the pinacle if the Canadian toothpicks yall chip to make OSB, pole timber is what that is here. Your country supplies softwood sawdust, ikea furniture's ingredients. Let's not compare wood....it is too cold up there, yours is just smaller....

Hey, great question and statement. No, I haven’t. The best deciduous trees I’ve seen were in Iowa and Wisconsin. The conifers of the west coast incredible. There are such beautiful trees in many places I’ve been. I’d love to see PA’s trees. I’ve seen pictures of trees all over, I love them. I realize in comparison ours are nothing like trees of many places.

But in reality I believe our trees supply a bit more than that if 30% of your lumber comes from here. I’d guess framing lumber simply because when my son worked at the sawmill they cranked out 300000 boards a day. We aren’t using all of that.

Anyhow, I love the vast expanse of them and the nature they hold. I’m definitely not dissing on the USA’s trees. There are incredible trees all over your country.

….don’t you think it’s time

… bunch a hosers ehh lol

.. if I did anything to offend… I’m truly sorey lol

Still trying to find your color of that rainbow eh Savell?

Not at all …. Just attempting to understand canadian culture

I just learned that Canada has soft wood and USA has hard wood so this is very edjumucational!

Happy trapping! ScottW

He dont have to move.
He already shares makeup and wardrobe secrets with his Man Queen Trudope.AND,,has been appointed honorary Medicine Woman to some LGBTQ Tribe up there.Besides,,,if he wanted to move,,he would to have to put air in the tires on his house.

Shoppers drug mart,,,,a large Canadian retailer unveiled its latest add campaign a few days ago,,,



The hits just keep coming,,,

You are correct that your government does not pay folks to harvest the lumber. The lumbermen pay your federal and provincial governments. I misunderstood that.

However, the stumpage fees they pay are considerably lower than what American companies have to pay as they are set by your governments and not through competitive marketplace pricing as they are in America. That has probably been the biggest bone of contention between American and Canadian timber industries. Those low stumpage fees allows Canada to dump softwood products on the American market at prices far below what it costs American companies to produce those same products. And low stumpage fees can be considered a form of subsidy even though your government denies that. There are also quite a few Canadian subsidy and incentive programs that have been identified by the U.S. Department of Commerce in a report that came out just last month.

Here is a link to that report if you care to read it:

Softwood Lumber Subsudies Report to the Congress

Here in PA, especially north central PA, timber companies own large tracts of forests. They usually put the harvesting of that timber up for bids. Smaller landowners do the same thing.

"I just learned that Canada has soft wood and USA has hard wood so this is very edjumucational! grin"

Best line of the day....

all the soft wood better leave Maine...... lol

Ok, one last time. This should make it easy. If you take 100 Americans, about 8 will be gay. If you take 100 Canadians, about 4 will be gay. What you do to one side you have to do to the other. So, let’s say we take 1 billion Canadians, only 4% will be gay. It doesn’t matter how big the numbers are
I friggin hate math and think fractions are gay………not that there’s anything wrong with that.

What would be wrong with fractions?

Same here in the southeastern US.

Not here in northern Maine.Small landowners do that but the large timber companies cut their own.

That’s why I had to add that there’s nothing wrong with fractions and gayness, to appease the 7.6% of the members…..or 7.6/100…lol. I put a decimal in a fraction which isn’t cool either!

I dont care where its being sourced from. Quality framing lumber is non existent here. Price goes up and quality goes down. Knots, grain widely spaced, warped, half green, lots of bark are all you see now. I would be scared to build a new house with the stuff lumberyards around here are selling. to top it off drive by any new housing project. the waste is nothing short of amazing. Probably cut the cost of new home construction several percentage points if care was taken to manage the amount of waste.

Living a gay lifestyle is another story......I would rather be good with God then the 7.6% of the members.

I actually framed my entire trapping shed with discarded perfect 2x4 lumber at the local landfill.

Percentages are growing . . .

Agreed!

The quality of lumber is garbage everywhere and it ain’t cheap! Half a lift is suitable for forms and nothing else. I gotta start taking our heavy duty pallets home instead of cutting them up for fire wood.

Who’s the guy in the silent generation that opened his big dang mouth?!? Guess he came out of the closet….lol

George Bernard Shaw certainly summed it up . . . I'll go clean up now.

I knew my math was wrong, and I did it on purpose
I just like to stir things up, thanks for playing

could it be that gayness in canada is somewhat gayer than gayness in the US?

"The Canadian government does bid out lumber cutting through programs like BC Timber Sales, which auctions public timber to the highest bidder. This process helps the government determine stumpage rates and prove to the US that timber harvesting isn’t subsidized. However, logging companies in Canada don’t receive direct subsidies, and it has been proven multiple times in WTO court that stumpage fees are not considered subsidies."

This is the benefit of Free trade, some areas of the world can produce something cheaper than other areas for a variety of reasons. Tariffs are used to counter this.

Dirt, The US Lumber Coalition has done a very good job demonizing Canada's lumber. I understand why they want to but they're a powerful lobby group and not every talking point is factual that's for sure. Now they're mad at wall street for their take on the lumber tariff issue.

I'm still waiting to hear how we keep playing games with beef.

The world runs on Bull crap.

Yeah, now you are just being difficult.

I think this may be the answer to Savell's question.

I just went out and bought 4 years worth of everything because the tariffs kick in on the 1st. I just dodged the 25% inflation that's coming, and I want to give a shout out to my northern neighbors for the tip.

What is gay is Trump and the rest of you whining because we can produce lumber (and other stuff) cheaper than you can.

If brains were gasoline you wouldn't have enough to drive a pissant car around the inside of a cheerio

Have you seen his wife? You need to open the Igloo door and let a little fresh air in.

August 19, 2024.

"The U.S. Department of Commerce today raised tariffs on imports of Canadian softwood lumber products from the rate of 8.05% to 14.54% following its annual review of existing tariffs."

You already have been being screwed by gay Biden.

Ha1, (I knew you'd get it!
Well, I don't know, hard to say. Both can take it to extremes. There was a bar in Winnipeg called The Gay Cavalier. They had to change their name after getting "flamed" when a new meaning of "gay" came out. In all fairness, that number reflects the gayness of the general public. I sure hope it's a heck of a lot lower on this site and trappers in general. There was only one weird guy at a trappers convention that I'd consider questionable, he was quickly escorted off the grounds by the cops......lol. Some may remember the talk about him at the NTA national in Sioux Falls last summer. No, It wasn't Boco, he didn't make it.

If the trumpster would just hold off the tariffs for little while(few months)

until we can hold an election

We would be a lot less gay,,,,,a lot less!!!

If he hammers us with tariffs before an election,,,,,,the politicians will turn us super gay

Neither are nearly as bad as this comment.

Canada hangs out in truck stop restrooms.

So thats where you got your sign in name. It all makes sense now.

I sincerely hope that you do not have to become super gay.

I wasn’t going to say anything but my family said otherwise. So here it goes. Bruce-T I wrote a comment a few pages back and you made fun of my sentence structure. Before you go and judge people you should know something about the person you’re making fun of. I have overcome several learning disabilities, including dyslexia. So please for the sake of people in my same situation keep your comments to yourself. Your apology is accepted but please in the future be careful. I tried to be nice as I could my family read this before I posted it. I hope it passes inspection.

I just looked back thru everything and the only thing I could find was where I said (quote)we just had more important things to learn then perfect sentence structure.......Has nothing to do with you but me talking about people such as myself not using perfect sentence structure.

Thank you. I sincerely apologize I miss spoke. I learned a lesson I should have kept this private. I have no excuse for my actions on this. I truly am sorry.

Perfect sentence structure is for uptight peoples...don't worry be happy...lol

Not a problem my friend.Happy this is cleared up.

I’m making fun of guys with a grade six education, spelling, math and dang near everything else. Quite often the spell check screws with a guy too. I think Bruce was responding to me with that comment, and I agree with him. Anyone that gets bent out of shape over sentence structure or grammar should worry about the more important stuff, like is it a clip or magazine…..lol.
Bottom line is that nobody should take offence to the insults tossed back and forth in this thread, it’s pretty obvious that it became a joke quite early.

….. what makes you think I’m joking lol

And if you’re going to try and insult, it’s gotta at least be funny.
Nice try though….lol

Someone gets Triggered when Gay Kanadians are mentioned.Wonder why? Hahahaaaaaaa

I didn't think Trudeau would let you guys have any guns that took clips or magazines?

I did not think there would be grammer police among trappers. I spent most of my life out in the woods and didn't ever care much for school. I am surprised I can spell.

You mean there are guns to kill deer with that aren’t muzzleloaders?

Just watched the news. This tariff business is ramping up. Lots of mad folk. I'm scared the Canadians are going to do a Pearl Harbor preemptive strike on us in the next few days.
Maybe attack us with their 14 bi-planes in some nerve center like Kallspel, Montana, or Pembina North Dakota.

Yep 6.8 Westerns

I just hope we double the cost of any non resident hunting or fishing opportunities.

But seriously, remember when Trump negotiated the current deal with Canada and Mexico, the one that he called the greatest deal ever made with us? That’s the same deal that is now so terrible . Lol

If it wasn’t for so many natives using the SKS for hunting, it’d be on the list too!
The Mounties bought some blackhawks off you too. Look out.

LOL.....Canada will not attack the USA

Interesting video on the tariff situation

If you’re a gold bug or follow the jr miners

Daniela cambone Is familiar

[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/4NDOt2_aotg?si=pqRodhicj0RrRIwY[/video]

[quote=Osagan]Just watched the news. This tariff business is ramping up. Lots of mad folk. I'm scared the Canadians are going to do a Pearl Harbor preemptive strike on us in the next few days.
Maybe attack us with their 14 bi-planes in some nerve center like Kallspel, Montana, or Pembina North Dakota.




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This is obvious.

25% tariffs on Mexico and Canada in the works

Boco is going to lead a merry band of 1812vers in a guerilla warfare campaign to protect his trapping area.

That could be scary!

That gulf borders three American Countries; USA, Mexico, and Cuba. The Gulf of America is a more appropriate name for that body of water.

Speaking of gay..........Did you guys see those loud colorful socks Trudeau wore when he met Trump? He was sure proud of them, had his legs crossed and trouser leg skinned up so everyone could see them. Looked like something my daughter would wear.

Be carrying his .22 Cooy.

Feb.1 now Mar.1. Must be waiting for "drill baby drill"

Edit: These reports are false. Sill Feb. 1

He was wearing them with lots of PRIDE!

Correct,you are now our enemy.

So you'll be in the rear with the gear
I heard that about you Canadians, always in the rear

And with rainbow socks...lol...lol

The United States is not Canada’s enemy

Woke climate libtard socialists are Canada’s enemy, and fully responsible for putting Canada in this current situation

Google earth still says Gulf of Mexico if you zoom in on it. I entered Gulf of America in the search bar and several businesses with that in the title were marked along the coast. It did not show up as the gulf however.

But there are 35 countries in the America's. Our country is not named America. Its the freaking United States.

...of America.

I have been told increasing fiber in your diet may help.

States not countries in USA which stands for United States Of America

Bruce are you drinking again

Someone has been overserved on his pain meds.

They should call it the gulf of Vespucci.

Not following you guys at all.This is the United States Of America which consists of 50 states not 35 countries

…. There’s north, south and central america

… which is why it should be named the gulf of Savell

Or The Gulf of Deliverance.

Yep, which are countries in the North American Continent.

Oh Bruce...........

The Country is already named after him, Trumps just being consistent in renaming the gulf after him.