cease fire falls apart

Palestinians dont want to move?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hamas-says-delaying-next-hostage-release-claiming-ceasefire-violations

The last 3 innocent, Israeli hostages released looked like they just were released from Auschwitz. They should put photos of them, in the deplorable condition they were released in, on posters for the counter protesters of the liberal, pro-terrorist, Hamas supporters littering the West.

Keith

I don't think most of the Palestinianes are eating real well themselves.

Palestines problem is on them, they voted Hamas in to power and turned a blind eye to what was going on. Now they're facing the consequences. If I was Israel I'd put tracking devices in all the released prisoners and send drones to take them out.

And their buddies.

Israel gave the hundreds of well taken care of, traded Palestinian terrorists and criminals something like a gift bag, when they let them go. I would guess there is some sort of tracking device in the contents. Due to the exploding pagers and walkie talkies, I suspect the terrorists will get rid of what they were given by Israel.

Keith

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Support hamas ....win a prize

A banging booby prize!

1. Israel decides to throw a rave on the border with Gaza.

2. Hamas responds with an elite glider attack with dudes wearing Adidas wind pants and rape, kill, and take hostage Israelis.

3. Israel responds by leveling Gaza, destroying all infrastructure roads, plumbing, electrical, schools, hospitals, etc and killing an estimated 50K Palestinians both Muslim and Christian. How many of them were Hamas, no one knows? Trump now says that their are only 1.8 million Palestinians without a home now, while prior to the October attack the population was estimated to be over 2 million.

4. Now that Israel has leveled Gaza, the United States will take over the area and rebuild it using our same tax dollars that were used to destroy it.

Is that a fair summary of the situation?

The funds in the plan I believe Trump was floating was to come from other countries/private investors

What private investor is insane enough to try and displace 1.8 million people with suicidal tendencies to build resorts?

I hope so Sniper.

The money that was used by Israel to level the place was provided by us tax payers. Surely, we want have to rebuild it as well?

They wont be around to be displaced.

A pretty dang fair one yep.

Wonder where they'll end up going? More than likely here and the west Europe. Same as all the other refugees from that area.

Kinda need a new prison island, unfortunately cuba and australia are already in use.

they aren't hostages.

The true reason President Donald Trump wants the Gaza strip for America is not for another Vegas or Atlantic City. It's my very strong, educated belief that he wants Gaza for a very large, very usable, military base that the US has complete control of in an area of the world, we need to be able to control. He is not a moron, like his detractors believe. He knows if he announced he was building a base, the whole area would be up in arms. Announcing he's building a travel destination fools his and our enemies.

The clean-up and reconstruction of the area will necessitate the building of massive, hardened runways. We will need large, very secure facilities to house our troops and other personnel working on the project. That will likely become the strongest, US foreign base in existence.

Since it will be US soil. We won't be beholden to any foreign countries, whether enemies or allies. It's a masterstroke of military genius.

Keith

We have enough bases.

One thing is for sure if I were a praying man, I'd thank God every day I wasn't born a Palestinian.

Agree Steven.

I am a praying man. I know what Jesus says about harming little children. Horrendous things have happened over there in that conflict; particularly to innocent Palestinian children.
IMO, so called Christians had better square themselves with this.

Chancey
[Quote] "killing an estimated 50K Palestinians both Muslim and Christian. How many of them were Hamas, no one knows." [quote]
Those are Hamas numbers. They claim 40,000 women and children were killed.
I'm sure some women and children died, but that is what war does.
If Hamas doesn't want women and children to die, how about not hide directly behind them, or better yet, how about stop murdering, torturing, burning babies in ovens and raping Israeli civilians and continuously shoot rockets indiscriminately into Israel for decades instead?

Delusional spin, nice try though….smh

"The sins of the father will be visited upon the son". I don't want to see kids killed but the attack by Hamas was full blown Retarded, they brought this upon themselves. Palestine had a political victory in sight, the world was leaning to their side and then they threw it all away to spit at their enemy. Morons.

The not real nation of palestine, is a gleaming example of FAFO. Now they are whining whilst hiding behind their women and children….. no sadness here, they have been given too many warnings over the decades and can’t seem to be civil. P… on them.

I'm not delusional. If one believes what the US Gov and Israeli Gov say about the war, then IMO, they are the delusional ones.

Too much social media, Tiktok, Instagram, and Telegram reports show and prove otherwise.

IMO the October attack was allowed to happen in order to justify what Israel just did. They knew it was coming and probably funded it, just like 9/11. Its all about resources and geography. Gaza is important in that regard.

"By way of deception, we shall make war"

Hamas has until noon on Saturday to free all the hostages or their remains.



Keith

Israel responds by leveling Gaza, destroying all infrastructure roads, plumbing, electrical, schools, hospitals, etc and killing an estimated 50K Palestinians both Muslim and Christian. How many of them were Hamas.

All of them knew what Hamas was doing. kill em all and let god sort them out.

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Fantasy. Again.

Not. Our. Problem.

I'm not understanding why 3 hostages are released in exchange for hundreds of Palestinian terrorists. Shouldn't an even trade be fair?

Maybe a more comparable playing field would be Israel should execute some Palestinian terrorists like Hamas did with some of the hostages.

Theres a good chance Israel just rounded up every 14-60 year old male they came across, at some point they don't want to have to house and feed everyone and this just gets them "off the books"

Maybe that did happen. However the Palestinians all want to destroy Israel at all costs and those same people would gladly kill the Israelis if given the chance. Nobody wants women and children to suffer but when the terrorists are using them as human shields you don’t just walk away and let them go.

I am certain Trump announcing to the world that palestinians were going to all be shipped out and Gaza would be a U.S. territory has the Arab world excited about more jihad.

I am with Blaine on this. Should not be our problem. Unfortunately because of Trumps bloviating now it is.

I am confidant that those who want to be involved can contact the Israeli embassy and volunteer for the IDF.

Should we have stayed out of Europe when Hitler was running wild?

Would have never been a hitler trying to take over the world if the U.S. would have stayed out of WWI

Well the Kaiser wanted to take over half the world and if successful I'm sure he would have stopped at that. No way to predict a Hitler or a war 20 years in the future. Be that as it may Hitler came to power and started WW 2, should we have stayed out.

Yes. We certainly shouldn't have allied with the soviets who did almost everything Hitler wanted to.

I fail to see any correlation. The Nazis had a modern army. A huge industrial complex. Came close to succeeding.

if you want to go to Israel rat no one is stopping you. if your too old send your kids or grandkids. kinda funny how war hawks wnat other people or their kids or grandkids to go. if its important to to you whats holding you back???????????

Isreal is an ally , and the apple of God's eye .....supporting thier destruction of evil is a no brainer

Germany formally declared war with the US a few days after pearl harbor, plus had the military means to wage full scale war on us if we just ignored them. We didn't have much choice.

We have the choice not to send our sons to die for Israel. Israel can fight it's own war, it's perfectly capable and is doing a good job.

Trump is meeting with the king of Jordan, during a press conference with the King sitting there, sounds like Gaza will be taken over.

Can't keep letting terrorists rule it.

We can cheer them on from the sidelines without sending our money and our sons.

That's not an ally .....that's a looky loo

For you and anyone else that wants to go fight for israel, here's a link to the official IDF website, where you can learn more about joining their Majal program, designed for foreign volunteers wishing to serve in the IDF and full combat and support roles.

You could also join the Sar-El program, where you get the chance to volunteer and live with Israelis and volunteers from all over the world on army bases in Israel. Volunteers will work alongside or under the direction of Israeli soldiers, and perform duties such as packing food rations or medical kits, cleaning tanks, painting helmets, radio repairs, gas mask refurbishment, changing spare parts, gardening, or cleaning.

There's also links to the organizations that are officially authorized to raise funds for the IDF, if you want to write them a check.

If you're too old to take up a rifle and fight with them (you don't even need to be in the military), and don't wanna go volunteer on a base, they'd be happy to have your money.

IDF volunteer programs


You don't have to wait for the US to get in the fight. You can start today and be a personal ally to Israel.

We did stay out for several years until Europe was about to lose everything.

If there is a god he is an under achiever.

Keith

Exactly.

The world would be such a nicer place without any religion.

He got you and your fairy wagon out of the snow before you froze to death. Be thankful for that

I was raised a zionist as well. Thank God, I am not one anymore cause I would be on the same bandwagon of screaming "let Israel kill them all cause they are evil people!"

The problem I see with that point of view is that it is beyond biased. We only get one side of the story unless one diligently searches. Even then, we are so brainwashed on a certain narrative that we have been taught since WWII that we still can't even believe the counter argument; even if true. Anything that subverts the dominant paradigm in regards to Israel is forbidden.

The people that run modern day Israel and our Government are not innocent. IMO, the leadership (whoever is running them) are some of the most wicked of human kind, and I also believe 100% Anti-Christian and leading this country into a Trojan Horse situation.

I stand by my statement that Christians had better square themselves with what Israel just did to the Palestinians, and also Lebanon and Syria.

Many early Christians that converted from paganism were Palestinians. Many Christians lived in Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria. Also the land first did not belong to the Israelite people. It first belonged to Canaanites; an evil bunch in deed.

According to the Bible, the Hebrews had their shot at it and failed to listen and trust and obey God. They dropped the ball several times and God allowed them to lose the land. On top of that practicing Jews today still reject Jesus as their Messiah and still sacrifice animals and no telling what else to cover their sins. Radical Islam is bad, but Talmudic Judaism is a whole other level.

Muslims, Christians and Jews all praying to the same God while killing each other in God's name....ironic.

At some point, if you refuse to turn on Hamas or flee, you have to accept the consequences. Same thing that happens in every war that has been fought. Dont want to be collateral damage, dont allow them to build tunnels, store arms, hold prisoners in your homes, schools and hospitals. Hamas and similar groups have no religious qualms about endangering the innocent. They dont believe in coexistence. Its submit or die. If they want to claim to be victims of war crimes, they need to uniform up and fight on the field instead of guerilla warfare and hiding behind non-combatants.

We won the Revolutionary war by using guerilla warfare.

Fair point SniperB.

True to a point but they knew they signed their own death warrants by taking up arms against the British. They werent trying to use their families for living shields to prevent the red coats from attacking. The British intentionally murdered them. Dont think anyone in Gaza would be willing to be lawyers for an Israeli soldiers like John Adams did for the Brits after the Boston Massacre.

Fisherdrive, I'm speaking as a Christian. But I agree with
With what you are saying. The irony, truth be told all three of the Abrahamic religions claim to be religions of peace. The problem is man wants to make God in his own image. The true peaple of God are the peace makers.
This is true Israel the chosen of god. Vengeance is mine says the lord. Peaple will believe what they will. But God's will is for all men to come to repentance, and turn from there evil ways. Oh what a patient God we have.

If anyone wants to know how the Palistinians have been treated by the Israelis for years, you can google Breaking The Silence and watch video after video of IDF soldiers giving their first hand accounts. Their guilty concienses make then speak up about their horrendous treatment of Palistinian civilians.

The number one thing to remember is YOU can go fight in Gaza. Its not illegal. If your a vet I bet you wont even need to buy your own ticket. So instead of telling others to go or send their kids or their grandkids, just go fight the good fight. Israeli women are welcome in combat roles. So no excuses if your female. If you think we need to be fighting there then go.

If you're talking to me, I honestly don't care what happens over there, not my circus. Just saying there are two sides to every story, one the US media feeds you and one straight from the mouths of hundreds of IDF soldiers.

A Christian nation funding the Jews to commit genocide on Palastine......isn't religion wonderful?

You dont know what a genocide is.

If its a genocide, its the most incompetent genocide ever.

You'd think the Jews would know its not nice to murder and forcibly kick people out of their homes.

Not our problem.

Yeah their neighbor doesnt seem to have that problem. Im not sure how many people realize this but Israel is a much more diverse country than what people seem to think. Its hardly a religious country either. The PM of Israel in that brief time Netanyahu wasnt the PM was the first observant Jew in the recent time.

Oh just for those that dont know, this is the top of the Hamas Charter who runs and was voted(ostensibly) by the palestinians...



The full charter here: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp

My personal thought on it is that Israel did not initially go in to commit genocide, but the aftermath and consequences of their actions did. Much like east Europe in WWII; the allies destruction of the infrastructure caused mass starvation and death. Israel went in with foot soldiers with a high degree of enthusiasm driven by their rage after what they believe happened on Oct 7. Most Israelis are just as brainwashed and propaganda influenced as us Americans. Israel, like us are no longer conditioned for a real war. There are countless accounts of IDF soldiers getting burned out fighting in Gaza and I think the leadership just got frustrated because they were not winning and they decided to level the entire place.

Now since the place is leveled and no running water, sewage systems, transport roads, hospitals, schools, electricity, etc; what does the world do with the 1.8 million people that live there? Let them starve to death?
The whole world watched while Israel single handed with our help leveled that place. I doubt they will get any support from Arab countries to take them in. Israel owns it; let them rebuild it with their money and they can deal with the 1.8 million refugees. Blaine County is right on this; Its not our problem.

I don't think they went far enough after geting attacked like that. They should have just wiped them all out men women and children. It would get ild having rockes fired at you and random attacks . So hit them so hard they never dare think about doing so again. But that's just me.

The Israelis should exterminate the Palestinians. The Palestinians could not exterminate the Jews, but they will torture and kill the ones they can, no matter if they are innocent or not, unless exterminated. Some people you just can't reach. So you get what we have in the Middle East. Which is what the Palestinians want. So they get it.

Keith

The U.S. created Israel and the problem.

We had a lot of help from Great Briton.

^^^^^^ Double dealers cut and run.

Does anyone get a romantic sensation as you try to sort thru the garble of "Remember the Alamo". I would think it would be easier to fall in love with the idea reading about it later.

True. I seem to recall reading that nobody wanted them here. Except the guys that could build bombs and rockets.

Let the desert people fight. It's what they do.

Have the heroes at DOGE cut off the Israel welfare?

Can't. Camp David Agreement.

Words like dying for something sounds noble until the reality of events like Masada sinks in. People are in a desperate situation when they feel they have no recourse other than martyrdom.
When one is buried people walk over you and hear nothing, cemeteries are silent cities. If we hear anything its from our own imaginations.

You know more about that than me but we have the World Champion Contract Breacher in the White House should breaking that deal be profitable for him, his kids and cronies. My guess is condos and casinos in Gaza pay better--until he bankrupts it.

By the way, speaking of cronies. Congratulations to the State of Illinois. Trump pardoned Rod Blagojevich--corrupt convicted felon democrat. Law and order!

How deeply did you look into Blagojevich case?

He only knows what to media tells him to think
Joe Rogan has an older podcast about this very subject

I believe that there is an ulterior motive. Right now gaza is a wasteland nobody wants, to allow Palestinians to remain there is just idiotic, another war is just inevitable . So Trump expressing his desire for Gaza, for a base or hotels, whether genuine or not, now gives value and creates desire among Arabs and others who will hopefully step up and out bid the US, 3D chess? maybe. I would bet one of the Arabs has a piece of desert they would house Palestinian's on in exchange for ocean front property.

I think it was less 3d chess and more talking without having put serious thought into it.

I"m glad some of you are privy to intelligence that Trump sees as well as predicting the future.

I'm no seer but I'm pretty certain turning Gaza into the "riviera of the middle east" under U.S control never happens...

First of all nobody wants the Palestinians, they've been a burr under the saddle to everyone forever, but none of the neighboring countries want the US there....So Trump claims he wants Gaza, and keeps saying it to keep up the pressure on the Arab countries , who will eventually cave and take on the aggravation of dealing with Palestinians, Saudi Arabia has all the money they can ever use so will probably bankroll the whole thing as long as they can get Jordan and Egypt to babysit the Gazans for awhile....Does anyone seriously think Trump, or the US actually wants that crap hole?

That's my take, it's just another high stakes negotiation

Wow. The simple have come to play. Nothing like ignorance of history, revisionist rhetoric, and fear of reality to bring round 2, 3 ,4, ad infinitum.

The faithful cannot just claim 3-D or 4-D chess whenever Trump says something stupid. And, it was stupid.

Note: You said maybe, and not actually 3-D chess, so this is not necessarily in direct response.

Isreal was a creation of the UN with U.S support.

P.S. I'll let les give you the long version.

The U.S. was the first country to recognize Israel after the European jews immigrated there ILLEGALLY. It was called Palestine and part of the British empire. The illegals blew up police stations and other stuff. The Arabs living there fled. The U.S. recognized their sovereignty and the British also shortly after. The Arab refugees were told they could not return.

Most every country has borders established by war. Right or wrong its the world we live in. If Israel wants to remain Israel they need to do it their selves. Pretending they are blameless is disingenuous.

Yes I know. The shaman of some bronze age tribe told them they were gods chosen people. What was he supposed to tell them? That it was someone else? Every shaman of every tribe world wide has made that claim.

Look up the Belfort declaration. It explains the creation of Israel.

White Paper of 1939 is another to look up

Coming from a guy who hires illegal laborers.

Most all Trump haters either think they are smarter than Trump or want to be, Bless their hearts.

Simple question, if you had no choice in the matter, would you rather live next to an Israeli or Palestinian?

Keith

It's gone now. It will likely come back with a new user name.

Keith

Yes the attempt to create two nations out of part of the old Ottoman empire through force has been a wonderful success story.

There are way more than two countries that previously weren't in existence born out of the destruction of the Ottoman empire.

There are 39 new countries that came out of the Ottoman Empire and 4 old countries that survived it.

Keith

Well that is great, but I was only talking about part of the old empire that was made into Mandatory Palestine and then the UN tried to create two nations out of that.

That isn't the problem...never had been. They want the empire/caliphate back. Israel is just the scapegoat for their anger.

Course if they could eliminate Israel, they'd have a fight amongst themselves for control of the caliphate, which has been the state of Islam since the death of Mohammed

Respectfully, I think you may be wrong on this. Israel wants the same thing and IMO, they want the Temple Mount back and desire to destroy the Dome of the Rock so that they can build a third temple.


Check out “Greater Israel” it not BS, many of the iDF soldiers have it on their uniforms.

I hope they get it all back. The Arabs aren't deserving of anything.

Keith

We have to ask ourselves why the Jews want the temple in the first place?

They want it for their sacrifices. They do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, and in their mind, their god who they call Hashem will only bless them and bring forth the messiah until they have a temple and offer an appropriate sacrifice.

Yes, I know that it is year 2025, and we are talking about animal sacrifice, but that is exactly what they believe.

IMO saying Judeo-Christian may as well be the same as saying Satano-Christian.

How does that hurt you in the least?

The Muslims want to kill you and rape the women in your family.

Keith

Exactly. Chancey is missing the much bigger picture, imo.

Why haven’t they built their temple yet then? Grab some 2x4’s and get started.

You do know most isrealis are not jewish, and of the ones that are again most arent observant?

When I hear an Englishman call the the U.S. The Colonies, my hair stands up. Palestinians are just human. What they lost has to be hard to accept. American Indians have the same hurdle. Relocation of Palestinians has been tried before and the countries that took them had nothing but trouble. So reluctance to try again makes sense. My hope is that the survivors are tired of war and a new path will develop.

I would like to apologize to Dirt. I should not have said this in this manner. My fingers type faster than my brain functions some days. Sorry fellow trapper.

It'll be ok Preacherman...sometimes the truth is hard for some.

I've been following this thread and I see it seems to have gotten derailed from the start.
The initial post was about the ceasefire agreement being broken. The agreement has been broken by Israel.
I have not seen a single person point out this fact. Not the president. If we look the other way. Worse yet if we step in and support Israel in breaking the ceasefire agreement, then aren't we guilty of the same..
It appears that the continuation of the hostage release is because Israel is still firing upon the enemy.
Doesn't it seem odd that our president is not condemning the breaking of the ceasefire.

Hamas claims...any time that sentence is uttered, its a lie.

Hamas got mad because Israel killed some Hamas terrorists that shot rockets into Israel, after the cease fire. They claimed Israel's return attack was a violation even though they violated the cease fire first.

Hamas also got mad that Israel didn't deliver the shelters they promised to, after Hamas fired rockets on Israel.

Israel should do the world a favor and kill them all.

Keith

Keith if that's the case then Hamas obviously broke the agreement. I've been unable to find any one that has denied that Israel broke the Agreement. What source are you finding this information?

It was in CBN Israel video and a Firstpost video.

Keith

Thanks Keith.

Hamas acts just like liberals.

That’s because the same folks fund them both Hobbie.