Alcohol

What is everyone’s view of alcohol and the Bible?

I was talking about this with my dad today and just wanted to pass the question to you all.

Bible is harder to read when I've been drinking a lot.

Moderation

The debil lives in them bottles ... use caution

other than water into wine ever mention of drinking ot drunk In the Bible Is negative I can think of.

I am doing my best to deprive him of shelter!

Let's start right off by agreeing that wine when talked about in either the New or Old Testament was alcoholic. Grapes are harvested in late summer or early fall and juice is made, the juice is then fermented, it was the only method of preservation available to them. At the last supper, during the spring of the year wine was consumed; not grape juice.

Furthermore, when Jesus turned water into wine (his first miracle), it is obvious by the conversation that was taking place between Jesus, Mary and the head servant that the beverage being consumed was alcoholic and capable of intoxication. It was not watered-down wine.

That being said, the Bible condemns drunkenness.

I find it curious that some fundamentalist preachers will insist that the wine consumed in the bible was just grape juice or greatly diluted wine. Guys who preach like this, to support a bias, lose credibility in everything else they preach.

My wife condemns drunkenness too.

Paul told Timothy to "drink a little wine for your stomach".
In Ecclesiastes it says, "wine gladdens the heart". Proverbs says to "give wine to those in bitter distress".

The Bible can be a little tricky when we try to use it to justify a particular position we might want to take.

Thanks I was only able to remember things like the daughters geting dad drunk and laying with him and other passages where drunken or with much wine had negative effects


That said glutathione us a sin and to much of anything can be bad for you.

Bible verses seem to vary when the subject of drinking wine is discussed. But after seeing all the pain and problems alcohol has caused in the world, I’d find it hard to believe God is a fan of it.

Our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, dishonoring it with alcohol, drugs, obesity (no, it's not your thyroid) or any other such things is not looked upon by God with favour.

I used to drink. I still do, but I used to too.

As my dad said, there is no Thou shalt not drink liquor in the Bible. The Bible does say to avoid drunkenness. The Bible does say that our bodies are a temple to Christ and we should treat them as such. So the why drink alcohol and risk getting drunk? Overall, I’d say the testimony of Scripture says to avoid ALL intoxicating drinks.


Just my point of view…

A Bloody Mary is really good any time of day......one doesn't accidentally get drunk so having a drink to enjoy one isn't risky. Having more than one should, is done on purpose.

Alcohol can be a slippery slope for sure. One leads to more. However, even communion includes wine as Christ’s blood.

The account of Noah's post-flood life includes a notable incident involving his consumption of wine, as described in Genesis 9:20–21:​

“Noah began to be a man of the soil, and he planted a vineyard. He drank of the wine and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent.” ​

I figure it's more of how it might effect your witness than your temple.

Preface; I am only saying this to Believers, I can not make any judgement on others.
If you wouldn't sit down and pound down four or five Cokes, but you try to justify pounding down four or five beers, you had better be looking at your motives.

You are absolutely right. I as a Christian could drink a beer right now and not go to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman), But it’s the motive behind the drinking that matters. So what’s your reason for drinking?

… I pound them beers to feel good, talk crap and keep up a southern family tradition

….oooooohhheeelllllyyyyeahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

…. If heavens a bunch of uptight yanks with no sense of humor I don’t care to break bagels with them anyway

not drinking alcohol will not hurt you.

drinking alcohol might.

I do what I want to.

I’m not saying don’t drink alcohol, I’m saying beware of what alcohol can do to you and others.

Everyone knows that, everyone. They don't need preached to about it.

When you guys figure it out let me know!

Jesus committed no sin and if drinking alcohol is a sin Jesus's wouldn't have turned water into wine to be drank

For a guy who's. Church had beer taps in the wall in the basement

Wait till mass is over to have a beer.

If the Church would have said alcohol is bad they never would have converted those heathen Irish. Just sayin......

Wasn't really talkin' to you. But let the chips fall where they may.

.. who were you talking to Mr. Waggler ?

My aunt Tanya drinks two or three beers every night and has been drinking beer her entire adult life. She’s never called off work, is a friend to everyone she meets, and is one of the most beloved people in my small circle. She is happy, generous and kind. Never bothers anyone or asks anyone for anything. Will be 70 this spring. I say let her have her beer.



Here we are making pumpkin rolls! With powdered sugar warpaint

Beer will get you through the times of no money better than money will get you through the times of no beer

Keith

I love Jesus! I like Tom T. Hall and I like beer! It makes me a jolly good fella. .....Then ole Sneaky Snake comes wigglin....

Thanks! We used to sing that in cubscouts, back around 1978. I don't think I have heard the actual song before. Here it is.



Keith

Tom T’s a sissy… ol JT drank enough to kill a mother’s love lol

You can have a cola and I can have a beer….what ever makes you comfortable….
I have the best talks about Grace,,,, in a bar.

Grace is what we are given. God uses Everyone that is Called for His purpose….
Jesus hung with sinners…
Violated the Sabbath…..

A Rebel With a Cause……..

…. Now you’re coherent all the sudden… the spirits speaking through Vinke

… coonman likely to be the next Joel olsteen at this rate

Ah yes ........jeol olsteeen ...... pie in the sky guy

…. He has nice veneers

Just for a moment,,,,, then back to normal,,,,, Thank you Jesus…

If I was speaking in tongs I probably would have tripped on it…….
Definitely would have slapped my nose….lol…..

^^^
I drink way more beer than soda, soda has zero redeeming qualities imo.
I'm just attempting to make a point that believers need to be truthful with themselves.

I had a friend who was trying to justify pounding down five or six beers in quick order.
He said it was no different than drinking a Coke. I asked him when the last time he sat down and drank six Cokes in 30 minutes.....never.

Fast forward 10 years. Jeff jumped off a railroad bridge in Montana after tying his climbing rope around his neck.

You can't treat just the symptom.

… point received Mr Waggler

…. If I ever hang myself … I’m goin with a piggin string

Beer is proof that God loves man and wants him to be happy!

When Jesus turned water into wine, the master of the banquet pulled the bridegroom aside and said “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”. The good stuff got drank first while everyone was stone cold sober, then once everyone was tipsy and didn't care, they brought out the swill, but Jesus made the best wine for last. Obviously Jesus knew everyone was tipsy and having a good time, and yet, when they wine ran out, he made even more for everyone to drink. So it would seem that at least every once in a while, intoxication isn't sinful, since the Son of God himself served alcohol to already-intoxicated people.

I quit about 4 years ago after 30 years, the last 20 being pretty heavy. When I couldn’t afford it wasn’t too bad, but when I got into the line trade it got worse. Booze was a big part of the trade. The councillor I was video chatting with said I’ll need something to do with my time. I always called myself a trapper but never really trapped so I told him “I’m going to trap”. Now, all I do is work and trap, 24/7. The OT is through the roof because I’m stealing extra call shifts and am able to drop what I’m doing and help out other guys when not on call and everyone knows it, so quite often I’m the first they call. I miss some parts of it, but the benefits out weigh the good times. In the end, you have to quit for yourself and nobody else, it took about 3 months to realize this. I still go to parties and it gets entertaining in a different way. It’s easy to tune someone up when you’re sober if you have to……lol
I am lucky that my youngest kid is 20 right now, going to university and living at home for free as long as she votes conservative while under this roof. But I sure missed most of their younger years. It is what it is, it’s in the past and I just deal with it.
Another thing is that I realized that there’s no real problems in life, just little minor stuff that I deal with now. Everything seemed blown out of proportion years ago.
My tolerance for incompetence and laziness is much lower now. Too many government employees and people in general with a crappy attitude and I let them know, managers included. I’m lucky that I’ve got close tie to a couple VPs cuz crap always flows down hill….lol
The true Martens has come out in me, and like my uncles…..we can be a bunch of pricks……but people sometimes hate to hear the truth.

I only drink on days that end with y.

Who is preaching on this thread?

I wonder if the occasional snort of cocaine is sinful? Just like liquor is an intoxicating too. Just in a different way.

My parents went to the World Fair and Exposition (Seattle 1962) where mom tried some "Peruvian tea" at one of the stands. Man did it pep her up! She walked around all day without getting tired. But later when she tried to buy more through the mail found out that the feds had shut them down because it contained coca leaf. She sure was disappointed!

I agree. I don't think it was just grape juice either. The bible condemns drunkenness. Proverbs says, a drunkard will never enter the kingdom of heaven. To me, a drunkard is a person who lives to drink; can't go without it. Having a couple beers occasionally doesn't make you a drunk.

Or how about, the only time I ever drink is when I'm alone or with somebody.

A man told me that a man should have and maintain one bad habit for life .

It couldn't have been grape juice, unless it was super fresh, like less than a week old. It's not like they had refrigerators back then. Any grape juice left for more than a few days would start to ferment. And since grapes only got harvested in the fall, it would have all been wine.

The last supper was in the springtime (it was during passover), and the cup that they passed around would have been wine, since any grape juice would have been several months old at that point, so Jesus himself absolutely drank alcoholic wine.

Been my experience as well. Mad if I came home drunk, mad if I didn’t come home. Lawyer explained giving up alcohol was cheaper than giving up a wife.

It doesn't say Jesus drank from the cup. It says he passed it to the disciples. Did he? I don't know for sure. It seems like a logical conclusion, but you can not say he absolutely did, because the Bible doesn't say that.

Would Jesus recommend drinken?

I think it is as you say, a logical conclusion that Jesus did drink wine. Wine was probably safer to drink than the water back then. The alcohol should have killed most of the bacteria in the wine.

Jesus probably never drank wine, not because he was opposed to it, but because he was a Nazarene. Nazarenes did not cut their hair either.

Is drinkin part of the sanctification process?

There are millions of people who drink that probably never have read the Bible.

Bryce

Didn't Jesus drink wine offered to him on a sponge and stick as he was being crucified?
"I thirst"

As a preacher since I was 15, I have counseled hundreds of people... I have never had to counsel someone for beating their wife, spending grocery money, raping their kids, commiting murder, etcetera, because they chose not to drink. The counseling was always for those who chose to drink.

1) Genesis 9:20-26 – Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.

2) Genesis 19:30-38 – Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality

3) Leviticus 10:9-11 – God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.

4) Numbers 6:3 – The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.

5) Deuteronomy 21:20 – A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.

6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 – God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.

7) Deuteronomy 32:33 – Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.

8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 – Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.

9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 – Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 – Nabal died after a drunken spree.

11) 2 Samuel 11:13 – By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.

12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 – Amnon was drunk when he was killed.

13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 – The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated

14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 – Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.

15) Esther 1:5-12 – The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.

16) Psalm 75:8 – The Lord’s anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.

17) Proverbs 4:17 – Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

18) Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

19) Proverbs 23:19-20 – A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.

20) Proverbs 23:21 – Drunkenness causes poverty.

21) Proverbs 23:29-30 – Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.

22) Proverbs 23:31 – God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.

23) Proverbs 23:32 – Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.

24) Proverbs 23:33 – Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.

25) Proverbs 23:34 – Alcohol makes the drinker unstable

26) Proverbs 23:35 – Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning. Alcohol is habit forming.

27) Proverb 31:4-5 – Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.

28) Proverbs 31:6-7 – Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. Better anesthetics are available today.

29) Ecclesiastes 2:3 – The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:8)

30) Ecclesiastes 10:17 – A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.

31) Isaiah 5:11-12 – Woe to those who get up early to drink and stay up late at night to get drunk.

32) Isaiah 5:22 – Woe to “champion” drinkers and “experts” at mixing drinks.

33) Isaiah 19:14 – Drunken men stagger in their vomit.

34) Isaiah 22:12-13 – The Israelites choose to drink; their future looks hopeless to them.

35) Isaiah 24:9 – Drinkers cannot escape the consequences when God judges.

36) Isaiah 28:1 – God pronounces woe on the drunkards of Ephraim.

37) Isaiah 28:3 – Proud drunkards shall be trodden down.

38) Isaiah 28:7 – Priests and prophets stagger and reel from beer and wine, err in vision, and stumble in judgment.

39) Isaiah 28:8 – Drinkers’ tables are covered with vomit and filth.

40) Isaiah 56:9-12 – Drinkers seek their own gain and expect tomorrow to be just like today.

41) Jeremiah 35:2-14 – The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.

42) Ezekiel 44:21 – Again God instructed the priests not to drink wine.

43) Daniel 1:5-17 – Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.

44) Daniel 5:1 – Belshazzar, ruler of Babylon; led his people in drinking.

45) Daniel 5:2-3 – The king, along with his nobles, wives, and concubines, drank from the goblets which had been taken from God’s temple.

46) Daniel 5:4 – Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods.

47) Daniel 5:23 – God sent word to Belshazzar that punishment would be swift for the evil he had committed.

48) Hosea 4:11 – Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence.

49) Hosea 7:5 – God reproves princes for drinking.

50) Joel 1:5 – Drunkards awake to see God’s judgment.

51) Joel 3:3 – The enemy is judged for selling girls for wine.

52) Amos 2:8 – Unrighteous acts of Israel included the drinking of wine which had been taken for the payment of fines.

53) Amos 2:12 – Israel is condemned for forcing Nazarites to drink wine.

54) Micah 2:11 – Israelites are eager to follow false teachers who prophesy plenty of intoxicating drinks.

55) Nahum 1:10 – The drunkards of Nineveh will be destroyed by God.

56) Habakkuk 2:5 – A man is betrayed by wine.

57) Habakkuk 2:15 – Woe to him that gives his neighbor drink.

58) Habakkuk 2:16 – Drinking leads to shame.

59) Matthew 24:48-51 – A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return.

60) Luke 1:15 – John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine.

61) Luke 12:45 – Christ warned against drunkenness.

62) Luke 21:34 – Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return.

63) Romans 13:13 – Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality.

64) Romans 14:21 – Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer.

65) 1 Corinthians 5:11 – If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him.

66) 1 Corinthians 6:10 – Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God

67) Galatians 5:21 – Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God.

68) Ephesians 5:18 – In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit.

69) 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 – Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night and darkness.

70) 1 Timothy 3:2-3 – Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.

71) 1 Timothy 3:8 – Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.

72) 1 Timothy 3:11 – Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.

73) Titus 1:7-8 – An overseer is to be disciplined.

74) Titus 2:2-3 – The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.

75) 1 Peter 4:3-4 – The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life.’

Didn't seem to be much Scriptures being mentioned about the topic, other than one or two well known ones for medical purposes, so here's a few. Scriptures are God’s thoughts on the matter. Much more negative thoughts than good ones. I grew up by a redneck bar in podunkville, FL. Never saw any good come of it.

Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, and more money

Thanks everyone! Just curious about your thoughts.

Let's consider wine/beer/liquor from a non religious point of view. No Bible. No Jesus.

What is the purpose of alcohol in this context?

. Have you ever drank some cold beer ?

I have drank enough to float a small naval vessel.

I drank it for one purpose. Why do you drink cold beer?

I would 100X rather have a glass of tea than a beer.

…. To get a buzz and make babtist women mad

I love the taste of beer. My pap gave it to me in a jelly jar.
I can’t abide the taste of whiskey, or rum. Very rarely I’d like a gin and tonic. Wine can be gross and a strong dry red just gives me heartburn. I can have all these other things in the house and not touch them. But beer is a delight and I can’t resist it. Does that make me an alcoholic? Or just a beer lover??
Just musing…..

^^^^^ you’re going straight to he..

Just a beer lover Ashley

Walmart women are blessed with children thanks to alcohol.

Kind of related;

"Alcohol can act as a natural painkiller, as studies have shown that it can reduce pain sensitivity and provide some pain relief."

Used it for this purpose after a long day busting trail many times. Helps you sleep.

Civilizations saved grape juice and made mead with fermentation as the preservative. With all the diseases back then alcohol was safer because the alcohol kept the wine and mead safer to drink than water. Again from a non religious context.

Today alcohol has no "safety" issue it is saving you from. Water and other drinks that line the grocery store shelves are safe to drink.

This leaves me with only one conclusion as to why people drink alcohol in this day and time. I know of no beer wine or liquor I would drink over a coke, tea or apple juice.

And physical health speaking, alcohol is one of the worst things you can put in your body.

Again, all of these points of view are sans religion of any kind.

… well…..go on and enjoy your iced tea and cokes then

I hope that is a diet coke.

Coke zero.

Well that changes everything. I 100% prefer the taste of beer to ANY diet soda.

No, he spit it out when he tasted it. We don't know exactly why he spit it out. Could have been of three things. (1) it was wine, Nazarenes don't drink wine, (2) It was mixed with "gall" and was bitter (a cruel joke), or (3) the "gall" was an opiod of sorts meant to kill pain, which he would have refused on principle.

It makes me better looking, funnier and bullet proof. I am not seeing a downside here.

SO true. I was waiting for a checkup at women doctor and I see these “females” sitting there in flip flops and tank tops with their greasy hair in a bun and I’m like who is touching these women to get them pregnant?

They all get better looking at closing time.

Public toilet seats got them pregnant. Grandma told me all about it when I was a kid. If you eat a white watermelon seed, that will get you pregnant too.

Cold beer Is hard to beat especially after a day working in the sun during summer. Now Sam Adam's October fest is about the absolutely best breakfast beer paring if your having bacon and eggs or sausage..


Now I seldom drink much beer even when I would maybe a case a year. But I will argue with you that coke is worst for your body than a beer.

It's hard to beat a couple of ice cold beers in a steaming hot shower of an evening.

Love my shower beers.

Glad I aint you.

The church here in town sells beer out of the priest's garage during the catlick fall festival, that's good enough for me

I very rarely drink beer, but beer is the only cold, carbonated, flavored, nonsweet beverage that I know of. Every once in a while on a hot summer day, that's just the recipe for a relaxing beverage. Iced tea is a good cold flavored beverage that's not sweet, but it's not carbonated.

I would rather funnel Mickey's Big mouths than drink unsweet tea. That stuff is nasty.

Yep

1000%. You will find out if you and your family can handle you, in short order, or over time.

Jesus did drink wine:

Mathew 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.
Interesting how the Israelite's Mathew is referring to compared eating too much to drinking too much. An over indulgence.
Certainly, enjoy your food but don't be a glutton. Enjoy your drink but don't become a drunk. Moderation.


Here's another one:
Paul said in Colossians 2:16, Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.


Also, Jesus was FROM Nazreth in Isreal, not a Nazarene. He had not taken the Nazarene Vow.
Nazarene s take a vow and do not cut their hair or drink. Sampson took the vow and was a Nazarene.

Haha……the women of Walmart. It’s not just in the US either, it’s everywhere!

The doc used to ask if I wanted T3s or 4s for pain after whatever injury. Told him no, I got whisky. The pain was still there, but I just didn’t give a crap. It would also knock me out for sleeping, but only for a few hours. Then I was up every 20min. My snoreing was horrendous during those few hours too.
My dad let me drink at home as long as it was downstairs and not in site of visitors as he was a deacon. We’d start discussing bible stuff and when smelled the booze that was it, we don’t discuss the bible when you’re looped he’d say. He’d have the odd “shot” though. I’d notice half my 26 was gone. Mom says oh dad poured himself a glass last night…..lol
When I told him I was enlisting about a year before 9/11, he kicked me out of the house……for a day. I told him I don’t need a roof. I don’t like thinking back to our fights and some of the things I said, but it is what it is, the past.

Or, there's that old adage: You CAN get pregnant sitting on a toilet seat.

A very wise man once said:
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

Seems simple to me.

A few thoughts:
1) There were multiple words in the Bible times translated into English as "wine." Alcoholic wine, mixed wine drinks, grape juice, and also a word of concept but not actual drinking.
2) Anyone who holds that all mention of wine in the Bible referred to alcoholic wine is promoting an agenda rather than the truth. I cannot trust any other statements they make. You should beware.
3) Alcoholic wine has been around a long time, and is spoken of in the Bible. For instance when Noah got off the big boat, got drunk, and then cursed his son for sad event. Also Lot impregnating his daughters after they got him drunk. On the day of Pentecost, the locals thought the Spirit-baptized believers were drunk.
4) Why play with fire? I don't see how friendly I can be with other women than my wife and it not become adultery, I don't speak to try and be just short of a lie and yet still be in the white, why would I drink something that I have to stay short of becoming drunk (exactly where is that line?)?
Lay aside every weight and sin that does so easily beset you.
5) Drunkards are listed with many others in their eternal punishment:
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." Why risk it? All drunkards started at the same point as casual drinkers: one drink.

Jesus is risen. Live in new life, not the old man and old ways.

Its not complicated. People use ethanol for the same reason they use any other drug. They like how it makes them feel. I dont know what the big deal is. if you dont like or want an alcoholic beverage then dont drink one. I think we would do well to quit worrying about other peoples choices. You can only control what you do.

If people stayed out of the public arena during or after drinking, that would be fine. Way too many people cause other people problems with their drinking.

I'm aware that the Bible makes specific reference to non-alcoholic grape juice (don't put new wine into old wineskins.....). But, the fact of the matter is that there was no way to preserve fresh grape juice back then, so unless it was drunk fresh, there was alcohol present in the beverage. Grapes have naturally occuring yeast on them that gets into the juice when pressed, and will ferment the juice unless stopped by cold or hot temps or chemical preservatives. Now, their grapes may not have had a tom of sugar, resulting on a low alcohol content, but low alcohol isn't no alcohol. They also weren't shipping grape juice from all over the world, so unless it was within a week or so of grape-picking season, any grape juice available at any other time of the year other than grape picking time would have had alcohol. That's not agenda, that's just how thinks work.

I like your explanation of this passage.
This was also the first miracle Jesus did during his ministry.
Serving the good wine last, it pointing to the marriage in heaven.
This is a spiritual passage about eternity with our creator.
The good wine, at the wedding feast.

A little wine for thy stomachs sake.
The last of the fruits of the spirit mentioned in Galatians ch 5 is about temperance, or self control.
Give thanks for all that God has provided.
After Paul mentions self control, he mentions against such ther is no law.
Now with no law there's no condemnation, only liberty.

I guess what I don't understand is the attempt to justify alcohol use knowing that it leads to many folks destruction. I'm speaking of professed believers with my statement.

They probably engage in usury too.

Some can handle it, some can't.
Some folks have addictive behaviors and can't be around any amount of alcohol without abusing it. Some people can't keep sweet desert type foods in their house because they have no self control and will eat till the last cookie or Doritos in the bag is gone.

Diabetes is rampant in this country.
Look at the food that is pushed on folks at church potluck dinners. 2nd and 3rd helpings are normal with no one cautioning not to overindulge.

good watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgRRVRBP3k

I feel personally attacked LOL

Deuteronomy 14:26: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after: for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth; and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thine household.


Here's one for you. The Lord was throwing his annual party and told his chosen people what to bring. . Plenty of barbecue and liquor for everyone. Sounds like a good time.
There were undoubtedly some Pharisees in the crowd shaking their heads and tsk tsk'ing everyone. Debbie Downers. lol

Present your argument.

A priest you say?

I could never imagine an alcoholic catholic priest.

Truth.

We already have laws against drunk driving, beating your kids or wife, bar fights, etc. What else do you want? Ten people read the bible and get ten different opinions. Anybody think they are always right?

You’re starting to grow on me!

Danny knows.

BTW I do what I want.

Amen lol

I don't mind a cold beer myself every now and then but I'm not going to go tell the teen group at the local church it's okay to drink cause Jesus did. I just thought that was common sense.

you didn't already think the world of Danny? I thought everyone did!!

He was grumpy at me one too many times at first!!!

It does say grumpy old man under my name. I do my best to keep it at a dull roar.

I still have him on blocked from the old days…..
But I do open it up to read….now…

How about enjoyment, does that qualify as an acceptable purpose? If not, why would anyone drink anything other than water?

Alcohol can be very relaxing after a stressful day.Good for your health.Stress kills.Ask any doctor.

I am getting relaxed….

Somewhere groups always seem to get whacky in their reasoning.
Reason in a warped thought process is just that, "warped".
Won't you all agree that hard work is a honorable trait. So if a guy makes a living moving refrigerators that is honorable ? Then stealing refrigerators is also an honorable living because it is hard work ?

Some want to go from their abstinence and put it on you by outlawing it. Or they could have other sinister notions and just have prohibition for the taxes. They argue alcohol kills and should be outlawed, but many have the same thoughts on guns. They want to shift the personal responsibility over to a society conscience for which there is none, it ultimately falls on the individuals choice and their conscience.

The nut groups also want to tie Jesus and John the Baptist to the Essenes that remained celibate, didn't partake of alcohol or meat. They kill two birds there. Jesus didn't make wine nor would he have done the miracle of feeding the fish.

There is such a thing as a dry drunk. They may have never tasted alcohol and yet have flaws that are worse than alcohol. The alcohol camouflages those flaws sometimes and the blame is shifted to alcohol.

Of course the social influence with fertility and romance has to be accounted for with mandrakes and alcohol all of which there is nothing new under the sun.

According to the American Medical Association, a glass of wine, a beer, or a shot of 'spirits' every day is recommended.

Sadly, I fail to keep up with that practice.

A little Scotch Whisky at bed time helps me go to sleep. So there is that.


Charlie

Me too.

Alcohol may make you feel better but it is NOT good for your health. I know of no doctor who recommends alcohol consumption to lower stress levels.

You need to meet a doctor in Iowa then.

The following statement is attributable to:
Bruce A. Scott, M.D.
President, American Medical Association

“The American Medical Association applauds the Surgeon General’s work to make completely clear the link between alcohol consumption and increased cancer risk. For years, the AMA has said that alcohol consumption at any level, not just heavy alcohol use or addictive alcohol use, is a modifiable risk factor for cancer. And yet, despite decades of compelling evidence of this connection, too many in the public remain unaware of alcohol’s risk. Today’s advisory, coupled with a push to update the Surgeon General’s health warning label on alcoholic beverages, will bolster awareness, improve health, and save lives.”

I know a lot of people want to drink. That's fine. We are all adults and make our own choices.

Just make accurate statements when it comes to alcohol. Drink all you want when you want.

I’ll be the first to say that I hate a hangover with a passion. I limit and go to bed when I feel I’ve had enough. It DOES cloud the mind. And that makes saying “enough” difficult. I’m happy to say that I wake up without a pounding headache from too much beer 99 percent of the time.
You are right, we are all responsible for our actions.

Tomorrow it's a bloody Mary, a beer, and a cigar. Life is sweet.

WI Outdoors you know I’ve never had one in my life?? I see they make extravagant ones with pickles and Cornish Hens and boiled eggs tucked in!

In the Roman times they decreed that the soldiers should drink 3L of wine a day.. I don't think they're wine was as potent as today's wines or Rome wouldn't of lasted as long as it did. It is why Vinis venifera is so widely distributed across Europe as the Roman empire expanded and the plant was easy to grow from cuttings.

I don't drink a lot. A glass of wine most nights. Mainly just so I don't destroy a jug of tea or milk in one day. Beer is rare for me because I'm fairly sensitive to bitterness . I'll get a yenling or a Guinness just to have something to nurse on while waiting around at the golf course.

It is definitely an acceptable preference.

To me, beer tastes like reheated corn on the cob.

Wine tastes like cough syrup.

Liquor just burns.

I know, I know, I haven't had any good "whatever". FOR ME AS MY PREFERENCE, I don't like the taste of any of it and I have tried too many to count. I was never an alcoholic, but I did drink a lot on the weekends in the military, even though I never liked the taste. Got out and just did not see the use. Chose not to drink anymore. Started seeing a correlation between those that did not drink and those in great health. I mean athletic health, not just good blood pressure and low cholesterol.

Again, I don't see the need for alcohol but some people need it and want it. So be it. Just don't tell me alcohol can be good for you. I am being honest. I hope everyone else can be.

AGAIN, if you like the taste of it, drink up. Your choice and preference. There ya go.

If you choose not to drink, you will be healthier.

Alcohol itself might not have a purpose but the drinks themselves do. Diffirent drinks can help enhance a meal. It's why coffee and sweets are served together a lot. The bitterness of coffee nullifies the sweetness of whatever dessert you have. .

Now you got me thinking of this song so now you have to

The taste of the wine of beer may very well make the meal taste better. The alcohol does not help with this. If you drink too many and decide to have more food than you would have otherwise, that is not healthy and directly attributable to the effects of the alcohol itself. If we are honest, this happens when we have maybe even just one too many. Been there, done that.

Sniper this one seems more appropriate for this thread... "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."

Yeah but we arent talking about gluttony.

I know. No one makes gluttonous decisions because of alcohol.

Isn't that the same group that said the covid shots were safe and effective? Do you know of anything that is not linked to cancer.

For decades doctors have Said a Glass of wine a day is good for you.

Causes inflammation in your arteries, then cholesterol sticks to the inflammation.

"Physically, prolonged internet use can result in eyestrain, neck pain, and headaches due to long periods of screen time.
It can also promote an inactive lifestyle, contributing to obesity, heart disease, and diabetes.
Furthermore, using technology close to bedtime or during the night can interfere with sleep, leading to sleep disorders and difficulty sleeping."

^^^^^^
Exactly, it's all about moderation and self-control.

And things always have and always will change over time. Blood letting was once seen as an acceptable way to decrease blood pressure. That changed because they found out it wasn't a good way to lower BP.

Holes can be poked in just about anything as there are very few scientific laws. But overall, alcohol is being seen more and more as the worst thing you can put in your body. Just think about the people you know that watch their diet, work and work out hard and get good sleep.

Now think about those that drink a 6 pack a day, two glasses of wine a day, or a shot or two a day. None of them are as healthy as those who do not drink.

And let's be honest. One glass of wine a day? Seriously? How many people do you know who only drink 1/day? Come on man!!

Again and AGAIN, drink all you want. You are a grown man who can do as he pleases. Just live in reality.

BAN THE INTERNET and pass the liquor bottle!!! Everyone knows typing on the computer is a whole lot worse than drinking alcohol. Think of the lives and families that have been ruined and killed due to too much internet.

Oh the humanity!!!

Are you really naive enough to believe what you just typed?

Don't drink to speak of but not against it either, have one or so a year. Water will rust the pipes.

It's been helping people dance for centuries. Lol.

I don’t need to drink I can be whatever I need to be sober with less regrets it just never appealed to me. I’ve seen over the years the people and relationships it’s ruined with intelligent folks doing stupid things losing careers or dying it makes no sense. A LOT of folks try to reason away their problems with it in many ways just mention restrictions on their drinking to get their reactions it will surprise you.

That is a ridiculous statement.Also,,you seem to feel that its only reality if it goes along with YOUR narrative.You sound like an Ex-Alcoholic.Preach,,preach,,,preach.

Are you dumb enough to believe what i just typed?

Agree. It's just that alcohol makes some people say and do things they otherwise wouldn't. I don't drink at all any longer. When my day comes and I have to look into the Lord's sinless eyes, the last thing I need is to do so with alcohol on my breath.

It is quite obvious you do not work out. Stop while you think you are ahead.

How many times do i have to type drink what you want as much as you want? Jeez man chug your wine. I don’t care. Just don’t tell me alcohol is good for you.

You sound like an alcoholic that can’t handle the truth.

Chill out guys and have a drink.

8m not a drinker but you put more poison in your body in things like the cereal and othe crap you buy at the grocery. Look up how when tested the amounts of round up and pesticide in foods. Then we can move on to all the real and fake sweeteners. Want to talk about being healthy your better served there than knocking the occasional drinkers.

Dont waste your breath.Your not gonna convince bowhinter of anything.He is pure as the driven snow,,and the healthiest person alive.Probly double fisting Donuts while telling us the error of our ways.BWAhahaaaaaaaa

Losing some steam huh?

Very few things give me more joy than ticking off a yankee. Especially one who is a condescending arse.

Alcohol isn't good for you is all I have stated. You have yet to show me ANY proof that alcohol is good for you except opinions and personal statements.

Perhaps you should go have your one glass of wine today. It will relieve your stress. Lower your bp. You know, make you healthier.

Come on now all this feudin! It’s silly! This is supposed to be Holy Week right lmao

You mean like the pesticides and fungicides used on hops and grapes and potatoes and agave? I guess the alcohol cancels that out, huh?

And cereal, gosh how awful!! Wonder how many children and adults have died due to consumption of Captain Crunch.

And the dreaded diet sodas!!! The debil is in those cans and bottles. Where does that rank in terms of unhealthy things to put in your body compared to alcohol?

All this time I have been citing facts. Why don't y'all show some facts to your arguments that alcohol is good for you so you can shut me up? I am all for dealing with the truth.

Are you?

And for goodness sake learn some reading skills. I am NOT knocking the occasional drinker, although I know very few. My statement throughout this thread is, here let me put in all caps so even you could understand.

ALCOHOL IS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR BODY. DRINK AS MUCH OF IT AS YOU WANT. I DON'T CARE.

Now genius, where in that statement did I knock any occasional drinker? I simply stated a fact. PROVE ME WRONG!!! YOU HAVE THE WHOLE INTERNET TO GO LOOKING.

FETCH!!

GOD is great, beer is good and.....

So the OP of this thread posted:

What is everyone’s view of alcohol and the Bible?

I was talking about this with my dad today and just wanted to pass the question to you all.

I guess my view is wrong and both pf and yuppie's views are correct. Pardon me. I shouldn't have expressed an opinion that is in contradiction to your correct views.

Forgive me. I did not mean to trigger either of you.

Now my question is why were either of you triggered by what I said? Hmmmmmm? Makes one wonder.

I did have a donut today. Raspberry filled. My son had a cinnamon roll. We had them after our turkey hunt.

Guess we are both gonna die.

If you really think there hasn't been a TON of families/marriages destroyed because of the Internet, then yes, you really are that naive.

If you think the internet is one quarter as bad at destroying families and lives as alcohol has been, you really are that dumb.

I was illustrating how the comparison of internet usage and alcohol and how bad it is for your body was a very poor comparison.

But my opinion, as asked for by the OP of everyone, is wrong, naive and stupid. There, feel better Ang?

bow hunter I don't know where you get I'm triggered. Don't hang up on one sentence and try to pretend you don't have negative connotation in the rest of book you try to Wright.

First thing that pop up on Google
Reduced risk of cardiovascular disease:
Some studies suggest that moderate alcohol consumption may increase HDL cholesterol (the "good" cholesterol), lower blood pressure, and reduce the risk of blood clots, potentially lowering the risk of heart disease.
Reduced risk of type 2 diabetes:
Moderate alcohol consumption may help improve insulin sensitivity, potentially reducing the risk of developing type 2 diabetes.
Possible link to lower mortality rates:
Some studies have indicated that moderate drinkers may have lower mortality rates compared to abstainers or heavy drinkers.
Potential cognitive benefits:
Moderate alcohol consumption may be associated with a reduced risk of dementia or cognitive decline.
Improved stress and anxiety:
Moderate alcohol consumption may have a temporary stress-reducing effect, but this is not a long-term solution for anxiety or depression.

First, is it ok that I have a different opinion than you? How did you tell me your thoughts on my opinion?

Second, one words permeates all those reasons alcohol is good for you. I will let you figure that out.

Admittedly alcohol has a couple thousand years head start on the internet, but as the internet becomes ever more popular and accessible worldwide, I’m sure it will catch up to alcohol. The amount of married guys on dating sites is probably astronomical lol

Time will tell.

I don't see innocent bystanders getting hurt by a married man on a dating website though. Not being ugly, just being factual.

If we are talking about alcohols reach and the net it casts, it is much larger than the internet per capita. Hard to argue that one. This statement has zero to do with my statement of alcohol is the worst thing to put in your body though.

Again, no disrespect intended to you.

Sure theres not going to be a newsworthy story with your married guy or women on a dating/hookup site but the results of that can be as destructive as being involved in a drink driver accident. There's long tem consequences to everything.

But all I am talking about is how alcohol is bad for your body.

That's all. Nothing else.

Sadly, I have fallen prey to the same thing I tell a lot of people. This is not directed at you bb.

When arguing with idiots, eventually people will ask which one is the idiot.

So, drink up all you alcohol drinkers.

And don't drink at all to all of you who don't like alcohol or think it is the worst thing for your body.

And for goodness sake husky, quit asking people's opinions.

Ohm, ohm, ohmmmmmmmmmm............

Yeah Husky! See what you did!!!?!?

Bowhunter, we are all gonna die. Some sooner than others. Youre wound so tight you should do a shot or 2. I think everyone understands you’re mad at booze. Im gonna go pour a whiskey now.

Then everyone does not understand. Go back and read my statements. I merely asserted that alcohol is bad for you.

I am amazed at how people assume things and put words in my mouth when all they have to do is read the words I wrote. Reading is fundamental.

I am ticked that people assume what my intent is even though I write it in all caps.

Spell assume.

And no one has proven that alcohol is good for you contrary to what I have been typing.

One of you might be dumb,,,and it Aint her.Not sure your reason for HATING alcohol so bad is.Ex Alchy? Alchy daddy beat you up?You got some kind of issue going on.

Nope. You need another glass of ripple, Fred?

Do you know how many people have been beaten by an alcoholic father?

Do you know how many people really do have issues and hide them under alcohol consumption?

You really are a POS upstate!! You just hit a new low.

They don’t make that no more. Last I seen Jordy Verrill drinking it while watching WWF on Creepshow

Ok, so maybe some OE or MD. Either way, no more than one per day. Right?

One WHAT?!

Just replying to this so you can't delete it.

I motion for this thread to be deleted. It’s getting out of hand. I don’t like hurt feelings for anybody

I dont know that anyone cares if it’s not good for a person. For those not abusing it, it relaxes and helps to unwind. Your first mistake is believing a shred of what is written by anyone with a medical degree. Theyre paid what to think and say. Your donut you hammered today is full of CRAP that you put in your body. YOU prove ME wrong on that. You cant. And I dont care if you do or try. This Pendleton is delicious btw.

Jeez louise. Another one on the train.

Bud, you put words in my mouth first. You assumed things that you don't know. Apparently you also have reading comprehension problems.

The OP asked for opinions on alcohol. Whose is correct? Whose is incorrect? What do you care what I think? I stated my opinion. I don't care if you get drunk tonight or decide to quit drinking forever. I simply stated alcohol is one of the worst things you can put in your body and stayed on topic. Which is apparently something you can't do.

If you don't like my opinion, stop reading them. Block me from being able to be read. I actually don't want people like you reading what I have to say. You contribute nothing useful when you can't comprehend the simplicity of what I am saying.

Drink up. You will feel better and look smarter. I promise.

But I am having FUN!!!

I’m about to tie one on …. Jerk your britches down and spank your bottom blue if you don’t straighten up

… you understand me boy ? lol

Uh oh! Whippins!!

Leave it to Savell.

You and els could put a smile on anyone's face.

And trim that goatee!! Gettin bushy!!

…. A lot of gray showing up in it too these days lol

At least you are keeping it.

Sorry I don’t have any facial hair. Next full moon I’ll deliver I promise

Guess I hit the nail on the head.I knew you had issues.

Feel like I need to be shorn right now. Didn't need no moon to transform tonight apparently.

Strange fear of the color silver and desire for a rare steak.

Geez man, put the shovel down. I feel sad for you now. If this is the kind of person drinking wine turns you into you really need to stop drinking.

Again, new low upstate. Please block me. I want nothing to do with a person of your caliber.

I am blocking you now and I hope more will. You really are a heartless arse.

And no, I had the most loving strong father a young boy could have who adopted me as his own and never drank a drop in his life.

You are sad. You really are.

Oh come on. It was just starting to get interesting.

Its quite literally not the worst thing you can put thing in your body, or even on the list of worst things.

Here's the LD50 of some common substances.




Heck half the drugs they perscribe have worse long term effects than anything alcohol can do. There's a lot of drugs that are Black Box warning or End of Life use only that are prescribed or easily obtainable for uses outside of the warnings!

Well,,I had a glass of wine tonight.I assume you did not.Whos the one that got their panties all wadded up in a knot and resorted to name calling?

^^^ Like.

Please re-read exactly what I typed and re-read exactly what you typed.

Alcoholics are addicts.

If you feel you gotta have it then you're no different than any other dope head.

Put the gas can down man!!

Well.....

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/healthy-drink-wine-every-day-110100940.html

Dated April 18, 2025.

Now remember, lots of you on here said the CDC or WHO or AMA was a credible source for why it is ok to have a drink or two every day. If you poo poo these same organizations that you cited as credible, you don't look very consistent.

But again, drink what you want as much as you want. I will drink none. Peace be on all of you.

Welch's is the only way to go !

That’s what I’m having this morning!
Boy that stuff is tart and delicious

Yeah, those cooperatives just make better stuff than those big corporations, lol.

Ol dad

It's not even noon, yet. Between you two, think I'm going to be having a pinot with my coffee. The arguments are compelling.

There are a lot of married females on daiting sights also maybe more. Internet makes it so easy. Typically women are just better at covering their tracks.

Regardless I personally see a lot of innocent victims geting h urt from thet despicable activitie. Typically the spouse and children as well as the rest of society from the fall out.

Something in your teeth?

If drinking all night then snorting bc headache powder the next morning is wrong I don't want to be right.

If you stop in the fermenter fourm and make sure you get the corect yeast.

If ya don't like alcohol don't drink it, you won't gonna live any longer, it'll just seem like it.

Non drinkers don't have much to look forward to. When they get up in the morning, that's as good as their going to feel all day!

And if you do, drink up. I don't care.

-Dean Martin

seen it ruin people and families, and kill people way early in life

It's poison...

Ive seen fast food and the internet do the same thing.Fast food kills a LOT of people,,and do you realize how many teen suicides are caused from the internet.

Fast food doesn't compare to the problems booze can create. For you to even compare the two really says something. You can’t be that challenged, you’re just trying to drag on this stupid conversation.

Want a real rush? Try booze, fast food and the internet all at the same time.

You are out of control

Livin' on the edge, man.

Just had a Malibu and pineapple juice. Good night cap.

Going to have a cigar with some captain Morgan spiced rum this weekend.

Believe what you want.Typical Liberal reguardless what them pesky facts state.

LOL

My odds of being attacked by a great white shark are incredibly low, but if I jump on a surf board off the coast of Australia……guess what? Sometimes you gotta use your little noggin there kiddo.
Did you ever happen to successfully reproduce?

Obesity isn't always caused by fast food, but it is almost always caused by bad eating choices. There are around 325,000 obesity related deaths in the US every year. There are about 178,000 alcohol related deaths per year. I'm not very good at math, but it looks like obesity kills almost twice as much as alcohol.