Epstein Thread....

....What happened to it?

Everything I saw before I went to bed last night appeared to be cordial amongst folks with disagreements. The way it should be.

You sure put a lot of effort into that post that was always destined to be removed, same as every other political post. Frankly I am surprised it lasted as long as it did. Hopefully no one was removed with it.

On a related note, does anyone else recall when Paul used to ban people who restarted a post that had been removed? It’s been a while back now.

That horse has been beat

a lot of prople on here can not take the truth so they do everething they can to get rid of it sad little sheep

Something something dang liberals , something something TDS , something something cope

mething something BY THAE WAY HOW IS TALKING ABOUT A PERVERT POLITICAL? I bet someone bans me for saying that

After pages and pages……it’s the same dam thing over and over. A short clip and a page of comments…..ok, but it always just goes on and on.
Move along as the dog would say….lol

I enjoy the conspiracy theories and ruffling millennial feathers. lol

In the end we all know what they tell us not even what might of happened in reality, the more we like what we hear the more truth it has for us it’s just human nature they know how to play the game.

It's normally the boomers who get all bent outta shape

They are the VAST majority of the population....wait I'm sorry lemme fix that ... Boomer minded gen X'ers ...

I have noticed with my sons the "anti" boomer sentiment. From out conversations it almost like jealousy. What gives?

Some people aren't concerned with real life.....but, an imaginary list of names hidden in the mind of a dead guy consumes their daily thought process

There is a huge and growing anti boomer sentiment among younger generations. I think I can best sum it up with an example I run into at work often from Boomers, "I don't want to plant a Oak, I'm to old to enjoy it anyways".

Not all boomers have that mindset but far to many do

That's why I plant aspens....lol

The “anti boomer” sentiment may come from racking up huge debt? and then kicking the can down the road

Leaving future generations to pay the bill/price/tax’s

Boomers aren't the ones racking up debt now.

That would make sense but millennials were demanding for the payment of their college loans. Anyway, it was/is progressive governance that got us here in the first place and that will likely be the undoing of the Republic, not Boomers.

Boomers were the "good times makes weak men" generation

I doubt it. As if we, as individuals, could have changed any of that nonsense

No, I believe the sentiment borders on a little bit of jealousy.

Jealous that as a group, the boomers worked hard and put in long hours without immediate gratification. Without a cell phone to keep us from getting bored. Without whining about the cards dealt to us. Jealous knowing that as a group, the younger bunch really can't fathom that sort of life.

There are exceptions on both sides for sure.

But as a group, boomers just did what was expected of them. There really wasn't much choice in the matter.

And now there's uncertainty in almost every aspect of life. The boomers are grabbing the Social Security and Medicare life rings and hanging onto whatever savings plan they were able to put together after a lifetime of working. They've had enough.

The younger bunch sees no financial stability in the future. I can't blame 'em. So, it must be someone's fault. Can't be theirs. Must be the boomers.

Our parents who endured World War II and the Korean War raised us. We are their product. Want to blame someone? Blame your grandparents and great grandparents . See how far that will get you.

As a Gen X’er here. I always looked UP to my boomer parents and my grandparents. Parents went to work everyday, in a career that they started and finished in. Never heard complaining of the work situation from either mom nor dad. My grandparents were always amazing to me. Both sets of grandparents were able to do so much with so little. I recognize that much more now that I am older.

Younger generations , have no idea of what real work is.
There are a few that know, but even those fall short of knowing how to grow food, preserve it ,and make ends meet.
More and more are so removed from real life, they have no concept of our constitution or bill of rights!
Many don't even know about the 1st or 2nd amendments.
The boomers are guilty of providing too much for their offspring.
Not teaching them the basics of living.
Basically making them dependent on hand outs and allowances .
As a boomer , I never got an allowance , I grew vegetables , and sold them , worked for farmers or neighbors to make my money.
From the sixth grade on, I bought all my clothes, shoes and whatever I needed.
I was raised by the GREATEST GENERATION.

if it bothered some of you so much why did you click on it?

Clicking on it just to get offended and report, feathers ruffled.

You forgot the 5 mile uphill walk both ways to school barefoot in the snow.

Was only a little more than a mile one way with last 100 yds up a big hill in any and all weather from 7th to tenth grade. After that we rode a bus. Lol

And just like that another post destined to be deleted. I wouldn't put a lot of effort into it, if it was me.

why do you care.?

… because ADC is a very caring and loving man

Has that loving man caught any flatheads this year? Haven't seen any pictures.

…. He caught some kind of pike looking thing the other day ….. I wasn’t impressed

That's for sure

I think he is sad and has to have his nose in others bussiness makes him feel important.

… post up a religion thread…. He absolutely loves those

LOL

Seems he likes fiddle playing too.

… the devils solo was better

Was only a little more than a mile one way with last 100 yds up a big hill in any and all weather from 7th to tenth grade. After that we rode a bus. Lol


LOL No we drove our self bought cars.

That’s Gen Z, not millennials pushing for that.

Maybe some of the younger 30 year old millennials were, but not the 40+ year old ones.

Boomers(boomer generation) got to buy houses for 20g, then sell them for 1000+% gains,,,pretty much every asset you can think of

They were able to raise a family on a single income, nice cars, nice house, nice vacations, and send the kids to college

All the while governments(boomers) racked up massive unsustainable debts, and kept kicking it down the road

today’s(tomorrow’s) generation’s are going to have to deal with,,,

Covid was the worst,,,,,lock everything down. Give everyone free money. Must protect grandpa/granma




Pre boomers generations,,, it was always “women and children first!!”

large majority of boomers had and will brag about life on easy mode how cheap and low cost stuff was how everything was peaches and rainbows....then flip around a nd talk about how hard and blah blah.

One minute your telling me about how easy life was next you tell me how hard you had to to struggle, then your telling me how expensive and crap everything is now , then you tell me o just gotta work harder back in my day I bought my house after working in a jimmy John grocery store for a summer ....
Seems about all most of them can do is whine and moan about this generation not knowing anything about hard work . and yeah maybe a percentage of them actually had to legit grind but a majority didn't. Cheap housing , cheap , gas cheap everything , so yeah your grind of minimum wage could actually do something but now not the friggen case

Legit talking to most of them is like talking to the manger so is all ears and happy when you going on about what you did but when it comes to them they stick there fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA I CAN HERE YOU JUST WORK HARDER" it's honestly like talking to a child half the time... because again one minute you legitimately explaining how much easier stuff was for you then you flip around and go , well it's not different today just work harder like.....

also something alot don't see to understand boomer is more of an umbrella term now then just dead set target . Just like how a lot of people will call anyone who doesn't take joy in working themselves to death to afford to live as a liberal snowflake whatever the buzz word of the day is

O and don't get me started on how we had two generations pushing. Us to go to collage . Gotta go do it , don't wanna be digging ditches your whole life ! No you just need to go at least for the experience who cares about debt

Anyhow now I wait for the " well I never " something some democrat something. Something millennials just don't wanna whatever

If only you would've just listened better .....lol

Close, I paid 25k for my house.
Never heard me say kids won't work tho.

I think a young persons biggest fault is not listening to the older generation, me included I was the same. Wish I would've listened more instead of thinking I knew better, and I see it here.

Wolfie while I agree with spjones that monetary policy and unregulated money printing and unfunded liabilities has put a burden on future generations if say your being a bit dramatic. When I got married I was making 8 dollars an hour and mortgage rates were 7 percent plus. I'm a tad to young to remember the double digit rates of the 70s.

I agree with you it's tougher now but it's never been easy.

Nobody takes much joy in work themselves to death but that is what is part of what it takes. Working 40bjours a week is for suckers.

From what I can see it's what it took for the boomers, Gen x, Gen z, millennials. Those that I see aren't afraid to put the hours in and make sound financial decisions seem to be ok. I have three guys that work under me that are below the age 30. I tell them all the time if you have a work ethic, some common sense a little ambition and leadership abilities you can write your own ticket.

Another thing I wonder is if kids realize how much it costs to own a home. Sure I didn't pay near as much as my home and properties are worth but after owning for 20 years the upkeep, taxes and insurance don't leave a lot of profit

I'd have been exponentially better off putting the mortgage check in an IRA

It’s not all doom/gloom for young people(all people) in today’s world

We are on the cusp of a massive technological shift,,,,,,AI/Robotics/digital revolution

Technology is by nature deflationary

Study bitcoin!!!! Get off the fiat system and on the bitcoin standard

Today’s btc price is 117g,,,,,,in 10 years .1 btc is going to worth ALOT. 1 btc will be life changing!!!!

Boomers had it easy...sure., Everything was cheap...sure....compared to now.
You forget what the salaries were like in the 70's, the interest rates, the minimum wage, ...yeah, a small house was 25g, but the mortgage wasn't pocket change..then.

you can't compare generations without comparing everything...I know, I was there, it's NEVER been easy.

Seems to me the younger generations are soft and like to whine a lot...when they're not staring at their phones whining electronically. LOL

Everything in life comes down to a want or a need, the ability to determine which is which will change your future. Work ethic is also very important when it comes to having what you need in this world. I help build roads and bridges for a living, the constant complaint is "we cannot find more help", where are all these struggling young folks at??? A real job can suck, not everyone is a digital content creator or onlyFans model.

Yes!

Gen Xer here.

Proof positive !!

Good come back Wolfie. You are cementing these guys positions

Young Baby Boomers and Gen Xers are responsible for the kids being soft and lazy.

Too many of them put their kids' happiness and them being friends over raising strong, productive and good people. They also threw their kids in front of a screen.

I interview, hire and try to manage these 20-30 something year olds. Some are great. Most are not.

In full disclosure, I pushed my kids hard, held them accountable and worked them like Egyptian slaves. Time will tell.

I get it. The economy has changed. Hammer down and succeed.

Hammer down and succeed is the way it's always been for sure.

I'm a young Boomer, born towards the end of my generation. My kids are Millennials. They were raised similar to what BC describes. If they wanted something they worked for it. I remember my youngest mucking horse stables at an early age in exchange for riding lessons.

They were taught to set goals and work hard to achieve them.

It seems to have paid off. This next bit is just shameless bragging about my kids LOL:

My oldest wanted to find a job where she traveled the world. She is a Foreign Service Officer working for the State Dept. and has achieved that goal. She has visited and lived in many countries including Italy, Qatar, Nicaragua, Austria, Russia and is currently stationed in Santiago, Chile.

My middle daughter and my son-in-law run a very successful paving business that they started from scratch. They are both very hard workers.

My youngest had a sweet job as a Level III Planner for Coca-Cola until the job was moved down south. It was a major set-back but she'll bounce back. She is currently working three part-time jobs and putting herself through nursing school. And raising a kid as a single mom.

Okay, shameless bragging over.

I don't know what name you would put to my generation. Never did pay that much attention except I'm pretty sure I'm too young to be a boomer. I was born in 1979. I do know that every place I go into these days has Help Wanted signs on the door. And they are offering what seems to me to be high starting wages and can't find workers. The fast food joints are offering almost $20/hr starting! There sure are a lot of people who don't work any more and are on some sort of dole. And they seem to have an awful lot of toys and possessions in general for not earning money. Now I understand that not everyone needs to be a wage slave, but you need to be responsible and frugal, and set your priorities if that is the route you want to go. I haven't worked a wage job in almost twenty years, but I've never taken a government handout either. I started working when I was young and after I got out of high school I spent a lot of time working out of town and putting in real long hours. I never did make $20/hr, but when you are putting in 70 hours a week and the boss is paying for your food, lodging and fuel you can save some money if you don't blow it down at the bar. I had managed to save enough to buy myself a piece of property and build a house on it myself by the time I was 25, without going into debt. Since then, by being frugal I have managed to live how I want, I don't have one source of income, I have several part time sources, and I work hard at them when I work and have lots of time to do what I want (plus most of them are things I like to do). But if you don't have a steady paycheck coming in every two weeks you need to know how to budget and not spend money you are going to need to live on the next three months, because there may not be any more coming in for that long. That is something nobody seems to teach or learn these days. Practically everybody you talk to is way in debt. They may be living in a half a million dollar house (which boggles my mind, what kind of small to average house sells for that these days) driving a new truck and pulling a new side by side with it, plus the new camper and boat parked in their driveway. But everything has a loan on it and they are living paycheck to paycheck with no cushion to fall back on except the government.

Good points bearcat. FYI, you are part of Gen X.

Another thing, try to buy a piece of land now adays and build a house on it. Her in Pa it take maybe two years of paper work. 50 years ago maybe tow weeks.....j.k

I (gen X) work for an entitlement program that was primarily created to help developmentally disabled folks. However it wouldn't be fair if we only helped them. Now.....2/3 are people that are 55+. It crosses all races and rural v urban.

The team i manage is made up of half younger boomers.....they've learned how to skirk work and accountability. My top 3 performers are 2 millenials and 1 boomer.

Work culture has changed. I blame de-industrialization. During the 80s and 90s we shifted culture from being loyal and taking care of each other to squeezing blood out of a turnip. You can no longer trust your employer and now your employer doesn't trust their staff.

I dont know what I am, so what are the years of the different gens?

Well boomers were born after WW2, so 50's,60's...after that it gets muddled, with some overlap on age groups...don't know what "THEY" say but these "groups" tend to depend somewhat on region, upbringing and wealth class....it's a mess, lol

The Greatest Generation: 1901–1927

The Silent Generation: 1928–1945

Baby Boomers: 1946–1964

Generation X: 1965–1980

Millennials (Generation Y): 1981–1996

Generation Z: 1997–2012

Generation Alpha: 2013–2024

Generation Beta: 2025–2039

Wonder what the generation born in the late 1800s was called, if anything. Back in the 60s had a neighbor in his 80s that was spry as anything. Loved to tell stories of days gone by. Watched the lake form in front of his house when the dams on the Mississippi were built. Honest fella and good fisherman, loving husband. Knew several others in their 70s . . . all fit for their age and eager to guide a boy into river life.

Maybe the next one will be the Generation omega

It is easier than ever today to succeed and be successful , Its is also easier to NOT be successful.

Its been proven with data that the baby boomer generation in America has had it the sweetest. Im not saying they didn't work, they did. But American society had the most leverage because of the greatest generation which benefited the boomer generation.

I admire Millenials now that they have gotten older. GenX and Milenials created the largest all volunteer active war force in history. No draft needed.

I was born in 55 and if I had it easy I would hate to see what tough would have been.

"I was born in 55 and if I had it easy I would hate to see what tough would have been."

and yet we didn't realize that it was any other way...lol

Same for this Boomer. I quit school at 16 and got my work-release papers (required at the time to work in an industrial setting at that age). For the next two decades I worked long hours at dirty, hard-labor, low-paying jobs. Started my own business and worked even harder. At first my employees made more than I did. After a while I figured it out and I do okay now. It was anything but easy.

This is the truth.
If you can’t make it in today’s world there is no one to blame but the man in the mirror.

Stop the whining and get to work.

If people spent the gracious amount of time they spend complaining on putting there head down, tightening their belts and working, they would make it just fine.

Exactly

I disagree with you old farts.

I believe it's harder these days but I do agree that it was always hard


The boomers and early Gen xers have made unfunded promises to themselves that the kids are going to have to pay for

I won't blame them if they tell us to pound sand.

How do you know they're going to have to pay for "it"?

Most of the younger generations are inheriting more than any generation.

What's all this have to do with Epstein?

More is relative to the value of the dollar.

175 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Are the kids going to inherit that much cash?

The last Epstein thread got axes this one will too

It appears no one cares.

Can't discuss the Gabbard document drops which is the real story.
Epstein was allowed some but deleted.
Feathers got ruffled over a post made by some idiot about millennials, so here we are.

When I got out of school in 73 there were no jobs, unless you knew someone. Hasn't been like that since then.

Did you find one?

He's referring to government debt.

As far as inheritance.......many boomers (understandbly) are using all their funds in their older years and will die nearly penniless. This leaves little to nothing to their grandkids education. I say education because it seemed that when the greatest generation was passing away, their kids used it to finish the mortgage and fund our education.

I don't know what Boomers you know but none that I know are doing that. And I know a lot.

Most, like me, have their homes paid for, nice nest eggs and good insurance. Between me and my wife, our kids will be dividing up a substantial amount when we go.

not anti boomer or full of boomer hate

As stated earlier, it’s about government debt


During the 2008 GFC, had the government’s around the world not bailed out all the banks,,,,,

The system would of reset(in a painfully necessary way),,, instead,,,,,,the government kicked the can down the road,,,,,,penalizing future generations

boomers retirement would of looked drastically different,,,,,,,

It’s the Keynesian vs Austrian economics debate, that we are seeing play out currently around the world

And is going to come to a very spectacular/painful head sometime in the not to distant future

Everything is good until you need a nursing home, then kiss it all goodbye ....

There are alternatives to nursing homes. The most common being in-home care which is covered by most decent health insurance coverages.

I don't see myself ever being confined to a nursing home and I sure don't intend to squander my kids' inheritance on one.

Awwww good insight to your BTC posts. Always wonder what’s driving force for individuals

None you know won't have enough money in their golden years?

You must run with the upper echelon.

What ha[[ened to the thread some found out the guy we all voted for really has a problem keeping his word.

Not "upper echelon" at all. just a bunch of hard-working middle-class guys and gals that spent their monies wisely, invested and saved what they could. Most of us are already in our "golden years."

I know a few that never got out of party-hearty mode but they are a small minority of my friends and acquaintances.

Accounting for compounded inflation, Baby Boomers will not be leaving more behind than the Greatest Generation.

Median retirement savings from 65 to 74 is 200k. That means half of the population has that much or less even, half

Is that enough money?

The numbers are what they are. I would venture to guess half the people in my age group or higher is in that same predicament

I don't agree

Even if that's true it's okay. I never considered it a competition between me and the generations that came before me.

I guess that depends on the lifestyle you want to lead. For me, it would be enough. I've been told I'm very frugal in less polite words than those.

Its not a competition with the previous generation. As Americans we should all strive to build generational wealth so that we continue to become stronger as a nation.

Yes it has, in the early 80’s, construction jobs were scarce as hens teeth. I went from $12.00 to $7.00 overnight to keep working

People today have more than they ever had.

Every generation, starting with those born in the '30's have had more than the one before.

So very true!!!! This is why I can’t buy into the “woe is me, we’re doomed” rhetoric.

200,000 is enough to rely on for a retirement savings?

I thought we were having a serious conversation.

I don't care how cheap one is you can't run from taxes, insurance and compounding inflation.

I guess if your relying 100% on that $200,000 then things could get tight.

But I assumed you meant folks with additional sources of income like almost all do. I mean who doesn't collect SS benefits? Every retiree I know does. Granted it isn't always that much, I think the national average is around $2,000.00 a month. Even that small amount will buy you groceries and pay most of your bills assuming you no longer have a mortgage.

Most of the folks I know have earned a bigger monthly benefit, some collecting near the max which is currently around $4,000.00 a month.

Then there's pensions.

Then there's dividends from investments.

Who lives entirely on just their savings? Nobody that I know.

I too thought we were having a "serious" discussion.

Kinda shows ya people live high on the hog today.

I guess so.

The 200k figure isn't only savings it's what they have put towards retirement That includes savings. 401ks pensions etc

High on the hog!

I guess you guys don't have to pay for car and home owners insurance and real estate taxes in PA or have a power bill.Power and garbage bill. Sewer and water. Heat your house? Medicare has a premium and one needs a supplemental plan. Cell phone? Maybe a home phone Groceries. Income taxes?

Dividends? The wealthiest 10% of the country owns 88% of the value of the stock markets. I don't think the majority of retirees are getting much for dividends.

What's a pension?

The current threshold to retire is 1.5 million. Maybe sneak by with only $1 million. At least that's what my gen is shooting for.

Like hippie said....LOL

A million isn’t very much nowadays,,,,,

Not because people are high on the hog

It’s because the governments have increased money supply with the click of a mouse

I still use the old 4% rule when planning for retirement. 4% of $200K is $8K per year--what one can reasonably withdraw and not run out of money.

That plus social security isn't much these days--especially when folks have lived beyond their means.

I'm sure they wouldn't believe me if I told them what the wife and I live on, so I won't bother.

If I didn't have some bad habits, it would be alot less!!!!

A million dollars? I wish!

I'll take your mil then.

Try us along with a general expense break down.

Fuel, utilities, taxes/fees and maintenance.

A person needs to add up their expenses and then figure if he lives 25 years into retirement, it will take 60 percent more the last year than it did the first. Minimum?

For Gen Yand later generations a million won't be enough.

Why do you have to blame someone else why not be a man look in the mirror and say I have made my life what it is

Who is blaming anybody

Under 20k easily to keep a roof over my head and cars on the road.

Wife and my SSI 34K A year.

Property taxes under 5k
Electric 200/month...2500
Oil heat 2k
Insurance, home and vehicles.....2k
Sewage, 100/ month...1200
Internet and tv, although not necessary, 2500

From reading this it sounds like one generation is blaming another.
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49'er. My outlaws live on social security only. They have a cottage, a house and 40 acres. They had 75,000 put away for something, but that's it.