Thoughts?

I learned Sunday that a pastor at a local church was taken out in handcuffs by ice. He apparently has been pastoring the church for the past 13 to 14 years, but he came here illegally.

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Adios

I'm sure they need preachers in Mexico too.

Doesn't matter what they claim to be. They are breaking America's laws. They are criminals . Take them all out.

If he's been here this long, he had plenty of time to register as a legal citizen. But he didn't.

Laws are laws. I don't care who you are or what you are doing.

My thoughts too.

Anybody not in the heathen camp care to reply? LOL

I would like to see everyone who came to.America illegally deported, if they don't bother to take the steps necessary to be here legally.

Keith

LOL

"Who you callin' heathen, you heathen ? "

Not me. I'm in the heathen camp.

Here illegally? You gotta go!

bye bye buddy!!! see ya later

Does reading Roman's and obeying scripture such as Romans 13 (1-7) make s guy a heathen or not?

Keep looking

"Give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's"

"For all governments are instituted by God"

That pastor of all people should know that and accept accountability. Civil disobediance only comes into play when edict requires disobediance to God and even then consequences apply while trusting that God will provide.

The apostle Paul was arrested and brought before Felix where God provided. Paul ultimately excerised his right to appeal to the emporor and still God provided.

HEATHEN, according to Merriam-Webster:

FYI, Paul ultimately lost his legal case and was beheaded in Rome yet still God provided.

My thoughts, if GODS plan was for him to remain here,, he would have made it so.

Deep down, God was probably telling him to fill out his paperwork but he chose to wait. All part of the big plan….lol

Just about everyone being "rounded up" have had criminal charges that should've resulted in their deportation years ago . What was the pastor's ?

Hey, look on the bright side. At least it was for being here illegally. Usually, when they are taken out in handcuffs and arrested it’s for a completely different child related crime.

What took then so long?

Yup, sadly, THAT was my first thought

Is this the one who tried to get a green card repeatedly?

lets say 10-11 years ago you purposely cheated on your taxes but you are now a Pastor, Would the IRS give you a break, I think not, why should ICE.

He wasnt Catholic.

Good riddance !

As a Christian and a preacher I don’t have an issue with his deportation. 13-14 years is plenty of time to apply for citizenship. And those who preach God’s word are held, by God, to a higher standard. His example of thwarting immigration law has probably been followed by others he influenced. Not exactly a good example.

If he has been trying unsuccessfully to get a green card and move forward with citizenship then I would be suspicious that his arrest during a service was politically driven. Not knowing the whole story makes it hard to form a sound opinion. And who knows, there may have been some other legal matters that played into the arrest.

I have no idea, just that ICE came in during church service and took him out.

I bet everyone on trapperman.com has been illegal in some way. Or close to everyone. I agree about the fruits a person produces, so look at his overall fruits before you cast stones.

Yep, and I've paid the price for some of my illegal actions. If you are gonna break the law, prepare to pay the penalty.

Long as he stays in his own orchard...

During the service? Did they actually show pictures of it or is this what the mainstream media or hearsay reported?

I find it weird that people who generally are against government control cheer for this particular kind of government control. Especially for some one who is loved by his community.

I don't agree with a lot of government control, but laws are laws. If you don't agree, it does not give you the right to break it. Change the law, comply, or bear the burden of the consequences.

He had a 6 month visa and overstayed 24 years.

I'm guessing that a H of a lot of us are happy our ancient relatives came here even if they were illegal. Have you checked?

Let me guess - his peaceful parish is about to riot.

Core common sense Malum en Se laws are defined as wrong in fact laws such Murder, Theft, Trespass. Conservativism and Constitutional law is pretty much cut and dried on enforcing these.

What Conservatism and Constitutional law adamantly oppose is the ever increasing proliferation of Malum en Prohibitum or wrong by administrative edict regulation that erodes fundamental liberty.

In the case of this particular pastor he violated a most basic malum en se rule. He entered into and remained within a tribal boundary that he was not a member of. It's rather basic when you think about it.

There wasn't any limitations until the late 1800s and barely then. That's definitely not ancient.

Keith

I wasn't aware that a sovereign government and unified people existed on the North American continent prior to 1776?

Sounds like you are saying you get to pick and choose what laws matter and should be obeyed. I say give the dude his citizenship, he's earned it by his faithful service.

That’s the word. I have no idea about what the media has to say, I don’t watch it.

Not that I’m aware of.

Tell him he's a preacher and should know better, then give him a ticket home.

One of my local grocery store turned into a Bodega, and I gotta say I'm sick and tired of accordian/trumpet music and trying to figure out what's in a can that has a label with NO english on it.

No, I'm not. Reread that, slowly this time.

We as a society, as do all functional societies, have certain basic taboos that shall not be crossed. Conservatives, and one would think the left are in agreement enforcing these to the max.
The rest are the no spit on the sidewalk stuff that all societies need to stop fist fights over breaking wind in the wrong place. Generally conservatives will always question the need and must be convinced through logic and reason for their need.

We are at the point where the left is opposed to enforcement of anything otherwise taboo and instituting no farting in the privacy of your own home laws.

Just like Jesus would have wanted....

Yep. Jews wanted the Romans gone real bad.

For the wages of illegal immigration is deportation; but the gift of legal entry is citizenship.

That’s the word. I have no idea about what the media has to say, I don’t watch it.
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Where are you hearing "the word?"

I'm not seeing anything about this in my news sources.

I found the news story. Daniel Fuentes Espinal was arrested after leaving a Lowes, when he arrived at a jobsite, for staying here illegally after his visa expired. He was not arrested at the church.

"ICE agents reportedly detained him outside a jobsite. His family said Fuentes Espinal had left Lowe's, where he was gathering materials for a carpentry job. After a brief stay at a Baltimore-area facility, he was transferred to a federal detention center in Louisiana, where he now awaits a bond hearing."

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/.../65-4b535bba-0e01-4f5c-a8fa-b25933270279

Most media outlets are lying about this to support their liberal, anti American agenda.

If you read between the lines in the various articles. He was just another illegal construction worker, who was involved in his church, not a full time, head pastor.

Keith

Jesus would've called him a thief.

Thief? Guy was on his way to work.

Some of y'all have a screwed up view of Jesus. And Christianity.

I get that they're illegals, but let's not pretend Jesus would wear an ICE jacket and cruise Lowe's (or churches) looking to deport people.

Blaine…..My Jesus would punch you in the face … call you a commie and then take a leak on your pride flag lol

But is he here legally?

He has a Mediterranean work visa

Jesus came and worked on one of our machines at work here a while back. He was out of TX so I thought it may be the same guy but he wasn't of Mediterranean stock.

Lmao

"Verily,verily I say unto you ,whoever, he that enterth not by the door into the fold of the sheep , but climbs up some other way,the same is a thief and a robber."
John 10:1

Those aren't my words.

My Jesus would give Blain leprosy … then heal his hemorrhoids

And all those people that knew this guy was here illegally, they can go too.

Some folks whistle by the graveyard. They know full well that God is a just God and we deserve what we should get. Instead they paint themselves a rosy utopia of God is love. He is indeed a God of love but love is just.

I believe you may be taking this passage a little out of context.

Verily I say unto you Blaine county is a commie they wears his britches too tight

[ believe you may be taking this passage a little out of context.[/quote]

To some degree, yes. He was addressing the Pharisees.

But what an interesting example He used to drive His point home. Something they all understood.

Charlie Manson was loved by his community.
Jim Jones was loved by his community.
This preacher is no Charlie Manson, nor a Jim Jones, but he is still ridin dirty, and if leading by example, is encouraging others to do the same.

To some degree, yes. He was addressing the Pharisees.

But what an interesting example He used to drive His point home. Something they all understood. [/quote]
Yes they did.

…. Guarantee that preacher used the offering plate pesos to overindulge on pork tamales

Hobbie already said he didn't want heathens like us here, lol.

Whoa there, I never said such a thing. lol

To some degree, yes. He was addressing the Pharisees.

But what an interesting example He used to drive His point home. Something they all understood. [/quote]

To some degree? Try completely out of context.

See my earlier comment about that.

I did. I quoted it.

And you still missed the point.

You admit you took scripture out of context and now you want to defend the degree to which you took it out of context?

The only part of questionable context is who he was addressing.

But the part that isn't , is what he used to drive it home in a way that everyone in the room understood. Use the gate. Everyone there, " Oh, yeah he has a point . ". Everyone understands that.

I've served alongside with folks who immigrated by way of using the gate. Many of them consider border jumpers to be thieves. I can't say as I disagree.

As Sharon said, that pastor had plenty of time to change his status, but he chose not to.

Rep. Delia Ramirez -D, "I'm a proud Guatemalan before I'm an American". Then she needs to move back to Guatemalan. She sounds like a Trojan Horse to me.

A little, lol? It's not even in the ballpark.

The verse you used is talking about spiritual realities not physical ones.

Criminy ...another one who can't read between the margins. For the last time ; no, He wasn't talking about anything remotely close to immigration.

But He was putting in a way that everyone agreed was true. Don't scale the fence, use the gate.

Has everyone become that obtuse ?

You can't just redefine what the verse says to make it fit your agenda. That's what cults do.

So illegals get a pass as long as they are practicing Christians? Is that what you are saying?

I didn't say that. Nor did I redefine it. I said He used that as an example that everyone understood. Discernment.

Especially if they're the one passing the collection plate, apparently.

The example was a thief stealing sheep.

And they are stealing immigration resources from the people who are trying to do things according to our laws . Adherence to law is in Romans chapter 13. Our immigration courts and immigration advocates are tied up with border jumpers . People who chose to do it their own way instead of adhering to the laws in place.

Thieves and robbers. Because they chose to not use the gate.

When ICE is " rounding" up someone, the agents didn't find the first brown person to throw into their van. There's a process involved, judges are involved, warrants are signed. Many of those same agents are of the same ethnicity as those they are arresting. They are tasked with carrying out the laws that have been on the books for decades. Pursuing people who have been breaking our laws for years, if not decades.

I'm so surprised ( guess I shouldn't be) that this is controversial. It's pretty clear.

I thought it fit.....but I'm not a Bible thumper that knows the ins and out of it.

I fail to see what religion has to do with deporting illegals. If they are in this country illegally, they are breaking the law. The law says they get deported. Why is that so difficult for some to understand?

Yup, criminals is criminals. No matter what god they pray to.

He can go preach where he is from. Go on git. Go on now.