Pitbulls

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9-lNt45ZCkE

They need eradicated.

Decent hog hunting dogs.

Some people have to learn the hard way

Glad it was the owner and not someone's kid or something. At least those are good pitbulls now.

That's why insurance companies rate pitbulls as the most dangerous dogs and most won't sell you home insurance if they know you own one.

yup , even the nicest pit in the world is walking around with the ability to do serious harm 100% of the time , those jaws were bred to hold a hog or other animal.

caution must always be used with such powerful tools

a little like the guys who keep big cats around , with great power comes great responsibility and far to often it is the irresponsible who seek such powerful creatures as pets.

The pits I see that are potential problems are the ones without jobs. I'm less concerned when I see a pit in the back of a truck wearing a cut vest. But that still doesn't guarantee it won't become an issue. I've been on a couple hunts where the only things that came home were a chewed up Blackmouth Cur and an empty cut vest.

"Nanny dogs"

I have no desire to have a pitbull. Yes, they sometimes kill people. There's a huge number of pitbulls in the US and most are never a problem.



Statistically, people are more dangerous to babies than pitbulls and not just by abortion. Well over 1000 babies are murdered by people in the US each year.

Keith

Keith

Statistically, over 60% of fatal dog attacks in the USA involve a pit bull. If somebody is killed by a dog, more likely than not it was by a pit bull.

I was a Prudential agent from 1986 until 2002. I could not write a homeowner policy if the residence had more than four dogs, or if any dog was one of four breeds. I remember pit bulls, great danes, and there were two other breeds.

Prudential sold their property division to Liberty about the time I retired.

There are around 341,000,000 people in the US. Around 24,000 people were murdered by people last year. There are around 18,000,000 pitbulls and pitbull like dogs in the US. 51 people were killed by pitbulls and pitbull like dogs last year. Only .00028% of pitbulls killed people last year. Proportionately, people murdered nearly 29 times as many people as pitbulls killed.

Keith

So what? I wouldn't leave a baby with a stranger, either.

Two different family members of mine have owned pit bulls and they both snapped out of nowhere and attacked somebody (one was ME), thankfully neither time fatal. Neither animal was mistreated or trained to fight.

I think if we treated violent re offenders the way we should treat pit bulls both numbers would drop dramatically.

Any randomly selected human is 29 times more likely to have murdered someone than a randomly selected pitbull to have killed someone.

I'm not saying pitbulls aren't rarely dangerous to people. I'm saying people are much more dangerous to people. There's a great many things more likely to kill someone than a pitbull. Pitbulls just get more attention.

For instance, there's only 6,500,000 horses in the US and they kill over 100 people a year on average.

Keith

with 1 million Labrador retrievers and 9 fatal attacks between 2005 and 2021 16 years that is 9/16=0.5625 and a million of them you would have a 1 in 0.0000005625 or a 0.000056%

or you are 5 times more likely to be killed by a Pit than a lab


the human to pit comparison is only fair if you let the 17 of the 18 million pits run free and see how many of them kill each other in turf fights and such over the course of the year.

If we're just talking about dogs, pit bulls are more likely to be involved in fatal incidents than other breeds, so it would be prudent to choose another breed as a family dog. I don't care about those other categories you keep bringing in; we're talking about dogs.

Most people with pits I see seem to have have LDS, little appendage syndrome it appears…. Just my observations over the years…. lol. I wouldn’t put a decaying 1920’s stick of dynamite in my house, I see a direct correlation. Just because it hasn’t blown doesn’t mean it won’t….

Yep, you almost never hear about labs mauling their owners, random people and children to death. When you hear about those types of stories, it’s almost always a pitbull or pit mix involved.

You’re even less likely to hear about labrador retrievers killing and then eating their owners and/or random people. I’ve heard several stories like that involving pitbulls or pit mixes in the last four or five years.

The statistics show that pitbull’s are the most dangerous breed of dog.

I am admittedly quite biased in favor of labs. But the statistics don’t lie.

Have a strong opinion on this topic for personal experience reasons. They mean nothing compared to real hard numbers. Does Keith normally combat statistics related to the subject on hand with random statistics dancing around the subject? Now I see what the jokes are about on certain posts.

I don't like when people with demonstrably, irrational fears want to limit what other people can own. That's the exact thinking that will make us lose our Second Amendment rights. That's why people in countries, such as Great Britain, can't even purchase a knife and carry it home legally.

Irrational fear makes people do terrible things.

Keith

What do you think I "danced around" on. Pitbulls are not a significantly serious danger and I proved so. Use the logical part of your brain and read what I wrote again.

Keith

One fact you can't Google: pitbull owners that claim their dogs would "never hurt a fly" are dumb arses.

It's funny how the insurance companies, as charles detailed in his post, which heavily base their decision-making on statistics, have been known to decline to cover homes with pit bulls.

Its pretty simple for me. I wont bring one home. How do you know if that pup is one that will be a good family dog or a killer? I don't let them near my grandkids or on my property. I think most people get them to look "tough". I think it shows poor judgement. I wont try to stop someone from owning one. If it runs loose it needs shot.

Some insurance agencies may charge more. It's because they can make a fortune charging pitbull owners more, because people irrationally think they are a major danger, instead of a minor one. It's easy money because they take in huge amounts more than they pay out, insuring pitbulls.

The biggest insurance agencies like State Farm, Allstate and USAA don't charge more.

What insurance agents won't insure homes with pitbulls at all?

Keith

I can tell you stories about my brother's pit bull, if you'd like, although I'd prefer to do it over PMs because I'd rather not post those details for the public at large.

… friends daughter got life flighted due to one of the good ones last month

I don't disagree there are pitbull horror stories. Most pitbulls and pitbull like dogs are never a problem. The facts irrefutably prove that. Just because some people had a bad experience and are now terrified of something, doesn't mean they should be allowed to force other people not to have it.

Keith

…. Them pits as bad as your Muslim buddies

Muslims are a great many times worse. I don't want either around personally. I would rather see Muslims banned and pitbulls not. I worry that if pitbulls are successfully banned,, it will be a slippery slope and eventually most medium to large sized dogs will be banned and other animals too. People would soon after ban German shepherds, heelers, dobermans, catahoulas, Dalmatians and live stock guardian dogs.

Keith

…. I think we should train the pit bulls to only attack Muslims

You could train them to bite anyone who hadn't recently eaten pork products. I have little doubt that dogs can smell what you've eaten for at least a few days, as your body processes it.

I'm safe. I had grilled pork loin for supper.

Keith

Lol

Comparing animals to humans is a anti method. Please spare me!

…. Don’t sass your kinfolk like that lol

seriously? Feeling like I am trying to argue with my leftist dad. Never asked me my experience. prob. because of you cute clips of a carnivore stronger than you licking a human baby! please idiot!

I have a 0% chance of being attacked by a shark due to my proximity of them.

I'm thankful my neighbors don't have pits so that they are also not likely to cause me trouble.

Seriously idiot! Just to make sure it was clear!

Ive got a friend that has had them for years and he's had some that turned and bit him and his granddaughter hasn't learned his lesson as he's still got 2.

What has 4 legs and one arm?

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A pitbull coming home from the park?

Correct!

The problem with pitbulls comes from their historical lineage. They were bred to not only bite and fight, but to snap once the fight got going.
Breeders who had dogs that did not snap were 'Kristi Noemed'. They were eliminated from the gene pool. After several generations of this selection process, they all carried the 'snap' gene. No different with how retrievers and pointers were selectively bred. The ones that failed to retrieve or point were taken out of the gene pool. A cold hard fact of how things were dealt with way back when.
People aren't killed by a bite from a pitbull. They are killed by an animal which snapped and went berserk until their adversary stopped quivering.

I was gonna guess a pitbull coming back from the neighbor's kid's birthday party.

Not all Muslims are terrorists....but all terrorists are Muslim

Not all pitbulls are killers....but all killers are pitbulls..

… I seen a colored boy in town running a pit down the side of the road chained to cinder blocks while hitting it with a stick … bet that turns out nice

You obviously fail to grasp that your personal experience, though important and emotionally upsetting to you, is not statistically significant.

Keith

one thing I will say about Pits is , when they are at a mutt with some pit they seem a lot more calm than pure breads. it take a lot of the energy out of many of them.

It's statistically significant enough for insurance companies, despite your efforts to hand-wave it away.

How many active Trapperman posters need to come forth with their own pit bull stories before it becomes statistically significant in your sample?

Just kill them all and be done with it

Please give me even a single example of a major US insurance company that won't cover pitbulls if the owners pay them too.

State Farm, USAA and Farmers don't even charge more for pitbulls.

Keith

I have Erie for homeowners and they will not cover you if you own a Pitbull, Doberman, Rottweiler and there was one more. Maybe a Rhodesian Ridgeback however I'm not real certain about that one. This was 10 years ago when I got the policy.

…..pit bulls are African, mescin and white trash dogs

…. Hog hunters excluded but they keep them caged unless on the hunt (and there’s been issues even then )

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I don't think it's Ridgebacks, bud. They're pretty even tempered.

A search of Erie's complete website shows no results for "pitbull".



https://www.erieinsurance.com/search-results?searchValue=Pitbull

An online search says:



Keith

No one can out google Kieth.

…. Evidently AI hasn’t had friends or family mauled by that ghetto breed yet lol

When it see them out and about im always in a defensive posture hand on gun. If they are on my place they dont leave.

Old Buckne, who I miss, would have given me a run for my money.

It's better to have a position you can give evidence of, than to just to make up what you say, go by what you may of heard as fact, or go by what you feel.

Keith

LOL

I don't love pitbulls though. I have little experience with them and only know one person who has one. I just don't think any dog breed should be banned. I think once breed is banned, other breeds will quickly follow.

I absolutely do feel owners should be legally and criminally responsible for their dogs and other dangerous animals.

Keith

Ticking time bombs. Not worth the risk for a pet. I can see them being a good tool for a hog hunter if kenneled properly and managed well, but never for a pet! There are so many better dogs to choose from for pets.

I will wholeheartedly agree there are definitely better breeds of dogs to keep as pets than pitbulls.

Keith

It varies state by state as some states ban breed discrimination by law. Some of these laws are more recent developments. But in one example, Farmers was widely reported to drop coverage for pit bulls in California back in 2013:
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/...ls-rottweilers-and-wolf-hybrids/2055604/

…. Kieth in his younger days lol

I know what the woman told me when i signed the papers. I should have never responded. Lesson learned.

Seems friendly enough. lol.

Son had a female Rhodesian Ridgeback . Smart dog that loved humans. Killed any other animal it could get its jaws on. Including a lot of dogs.

I was an independent insurance agent for over 50 years. I represented 16 different companies. None of them would insure anyone owning a pitbull.

I had a friend who was a State Farm agent. They insured pitbulls with a surcharge. But, he said he didn't think they would be continuing that much longer, as they had had some seriously bad dog bite claims with pitbulls.

Years ago, we had this discussion regarding pitbulls. I remember there was a person from one of the southern states who owned several pitbulls for many years. He said as some on here have also said, that pitbulls are one of the best hog dogs there are. That's what he had them for. But, he said they are never to be trusted, especially around children.

I can give examples of many cases where a pitbull mauled or killed someone. Here's one that happened in Minneapolis couple years ago: A man who owned a pitbull had a 3 year old son. The dog had always been playful with the kid. The man stepped outside to have a smoke. He heard a ruckus in the house. He rushed in to find the dog had his 3 year old son by the throat. The poor kid was dead before the ambulance got there. The man maintained pitbulls always get a bad rap cause his experience with his was that of a gentle dog.

I got a nice insurance check because of a pit bull once. Insurance company told me they didnt know they had a pit or they wouldn't have covered them. I made sure the problem wouldn't happen again and the sheriff deputy told me thank you. He said they are nothing but a problem for him.
Keith i cant own a pet skunk without jumping through a bunch of paper work to get a special license, dont tell me outlawing pits is a slippery slope to losing our 2nd amendment. It wouldn't be any different than me not being able to own a tiger.

Needs to get rid of the dog and use the what he is holding it by as a belt!

For all the people who think Pit bull are so great, just wait until you have an encounter with one!

The #1 reason I carry even when I don't expect to encounter people.

37 years as a liability insurance adjuster, I can tell you that a pit bull will get your policy cancelled as quick as anything. And if you end up in a lawsuit due to a dog bite, good luck trying to convince a jury "but he's a good dog".

Being put in jail or fined doesn't raise people from the dead and does very little for their loved ones.

People are wrong when they blame a firearm of any kind when someone murders another human being. The firearm didn't do the killing. It was the idiot who fired the weapon.
A person who owns a pitbull is like the person who fired the gun. It's not necessarily the dog's fault as it's in a pitbull's nature to become aggressive. I've always felt if you own a pitbull knowing their history and it kills or maims someone you should be held criminally liable same as the person who fires a gun and murders someone.

A guy from our church was visiting his son in TX. It was the last day of his visit. He went out to get the mail from his son's mailbox. He was attacked by 3 pitbulls. He said they would have killed him, but a passerby in a truck jumped out with a baseball bat and was able to beat the dogs off of him long enough to get him in his truck and to a hospital. He lost most of the muscles on his forearm and thigh. He was hospitalized for nearly month. He now walks with the assistance of a walker. The owner of the pitbulls who lived about a half mile down the road from his son's, had no insurance (big surprise). The dogs were put down. He doesn't know if the guy was ever arrested or held responsible.

Agreed. How many more people need to be maimed or worse because of these animals? They need to be made extinct ASAP.

And don't give me that "It all depends on how they are raised" BS either. It's total nonsense.