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Posted By: conibear1

Beaver - 2009 Under Ice Beaver - any VIDEOS? - 12/27/08 03:27 PM

Making a main thread on a different animal was suggested on a different thread because of the huge success of the 2008 Weasel Thread which has a copious amount of information.

If anyone has pictures, videos, questions, or want to add anything we could help out many folks who seem stumped when trying this style of trapping. Snaring underice is an exciting way of taking these critters too.

Posted By: frwo25

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/27/08 04:39 PM

This is a good idea. I have been following the weasel thread from the beginning. I hope they archive the weasel thread. Thank you.

Fred
Posted By: Slick T

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/27/08 06:09 PM

Ill be out in a few days setting and checking my snare poles. Will try to post pics.

Slick T
Posted By: shorthair

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/27/08 08:08 PM

I have some underice beaver sets out, baited snares along with some 330's in runs or supposed runs. I struggle big time with finding these runs. Any pictures of run locations around house especially flowages with alot of dead trees and snow would be great. The few years that we have good ice before snow is alot easier because of the bubbles but with snow it seems like I punch hole after hole looking for hard runs with little success.
Posted By: Bob U. T.

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/27/08 08:16 PM

Nice videos almost makes me want ice here. Almost!
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 04:11 AM

Looking forward to your pics Slick!

Ice and snow slows everything way down Bob. I wish I had a snowmobile so I could get around easier, but I am on foot and snowshoes. It makes for great excersise!! smile
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 06:22 AM

One of the Best sets I've used... Especially Mid-Winter is the White PVC "feed" set...

Hang the 330 or 660 by two wires just below the Ice about a Foot or so... trigger on the bottom with a 6-7" piece of 3/4" White PVC drilled and slid onto the trigger wires, triggers bent sideways after the PVC is added...

Twist the wires around the Long stick which spans the Ice hole(near a feedbed) and lower the trap into the water...Make Sure that the Trap is cabled or wired with a separate wire/cable and up through the hole to the stick... When the Beaver swims around the feedpile it sees the White PVC and thinks its food... and WhaMO one dead beaver...


Usually 2-3 feed sets are added at each active Feed Pile edge...
Posted By: Dooger

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 06:24 AM

330,

Wrap that piece of pipe on the bottom jaw with wire and you'll get more beav. Tighten your trigger up really close and move to the side as far as you can.
Posted By: mole

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 08:11 AM

Hello, This is the set up I have used. It works pretty good. You want to put a wire or stick up in the air with a little flag in case you get a heavy snow fall so you can find them.
Posted By: mark81560

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 08:26 AM

theres only one secret to finding runs and tunnels under ice lots of ice chopping . so in other words a strong back and a week mind .thats why my beaver line gets a little smaller every year. i got the weak mind down pat but my back dont match my mind
Posted By: trapper34

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 12:32 PM

This is good thread, I will look for some of my pics & maybe get out this year as well.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 12:42 PM

I have tried that, and prefer the trigger loaded with the White PVC on the Bottom... That way the Whole Opening is available for them to swim through...I'll take pics later...
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 01:54 PM

I need to use those 2 sets, Mole and 330, at a few of mine! I have a slow flowing river location that is puzzling me with finding the runs. These sets sound perfect!!!
Posted By: Scott W. (Iowa)

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 01:57 PM

Hi Guys,
I've heard the set Mole is showing called the "swinging suzy". Do you find much difference in performance between a 330 on a verticle pole stuck in the mud vs. this suspended version? Scott
Posted By: madtrapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 03:25 PM

I have tried mostly suspending the trap with wires, don't have much experience with poles. Wires can always be used regardless of water depth, and the trap has some play so the beaver is not tied down to an immovable pole which can cause rubs. See you at the meeting Scott.
Posted By: Scott W. (Iowa)

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 04:13 PM

Hi madtrapper,
Thanks for the reply, the one thing I forgot to ask about was does the suspended beaver float up to the ice and freeze to it? frown There must be another Scott W on here. I'm from Northeast Iowa. Would love to come up to the meeting (in Isle?) but have to milk (goat dairy). Scott
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 04:35 PM

here's my best beaver killer over 100 beaver with this set so far, i only use 330 in channels or leg holds in open water on castor mounds and snares in channels and near the feed pile

Posted By: WISMATT

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 05:24 PM

In the picture is there a wire that runs up over the ice or do you just tack the snare to the pole under the ice?
Posted By: MartenMan

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 05:25 PM

looks like you need to chop a pretty big hole to get those snares in the water. how often is the snare loop closed with no catch?
Posted By: MartenMan

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 09:46 PM

on average, would you say you catch more kits and/or smaller beaver with under the ice feed sets? it certainly seemed that way for me.
Posted By: Dooger

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/28/08 10:04 PM

I use pretty much the same set as mole.
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/29/08 04:10 AM

chopping the hole isnt really that bad because i have to chop it that way anyway. most all of my beaver are 50 pounds and bigger but i do notice a size difference the closer i get to the lodge, and after i set the pole under water i wire a cross pole to the pole on top of the ice so they cant pull it under.
Posted By: WISMATT

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/30/08 12:25 AM

Just waiting to be snared
Posted By: Slick T

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/30/08 01:42 AM

Fisher-usmc: looks close to what I use but I found if you stay about 6-8 feet away in shallow water(up to 5 feet deep) and 10-15 feet away in deeper water,on the outside of the feeder bed 90% of your catches will be the adults,IMHO.

Slick T
Posted By: madtrapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/30/08 05:54 AM

If you use a chain saw to cut your holes you can cut them in a minute or less I would say. Just cut a slit 4 inches or less in the ice and put your snares down through this.
Posted By: Northof50

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/30/08 06:07 AM

wismat; you need to run a wire through those snares and up to the tie-down on the surface, because sometime they will chew dry poles amd move them.
Posted By: Dale Torma

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/30/08 01:25 PM

Mole,

I use a set very similar to yours, I just have the trigger centered on top and the wires bent like a small coathanger to give the beaver maximum room to work on the bait. My former trapping partner cuts his triggers off at about 2 inches for this set. I would rather bend them out of the way and change the configuration for different uses. With 330's I get a good shoulder or head catch with 280's I get all head catches. 220's are a little small unless you cut the trigger wires almost off.

I tried with bait on the triggers on bottom but had about 30% misses, when I put the bait between the jaws and the triggers on top I never had another miss.

I use 2 or three of these sets to a house. I also set lots of snares in their runs, up to 10 or more per run, kind of like a "gill net" for beaver. Swivel snares with a 10-11 inch loop hung from a pole on the ice with doubled tie wire. I set the snares on the very bottom of the runs, unless in a floating bog situation, (can't find the runs, or bottom) then I use only conibear bait sets.
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/30/08 02:02 PM

MartenMan, I have better luck with my feed sets and Trapping the Adults if the sets are out a little ways along the Main DAM...

The Adults usually venture out each Night to check on the Dam and almost always I have the larger ones within 3 days...
Posted By: STUMPMAKER

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/30/08 03:04 PM

I use a chain saw to cut my holes about 16"x16" or 20"x20" this gives plenty of room to put snare pole down like fisher-usmc has shown. In deep water I will put four snares to a baited pole, two low on bottom then two about 12" below the ice. When you set your snares do so at the 11:oo position with a 10" loop this prevents most of the time from them falling down and the 10"loop should keep small guy's out of snare. But when you lower pole in the hole you can reset snare if it falls, just slowly lower pole when doing so, should not trip, you learn to get the hang out it after a few times doing it.

I only set by, outside and around depending on pond etc.. food pile with baite pole snare and by dams. Be carfule by dam, ice can be tricky and get wet a$$. I blitz set a pond, set sometimes 6-8 baite pole set's. I do not mess with run's. Check once a week and pull out within 2 weeks. I cover the hole with feed bag or boughs then shovel snow on top, this prevents ice from getting to thick to chop out on check day and keeps beav from getting on the ice. Normaly 1'-2" of ice to chop to check set, sometimes just scim ice, this is at below o temps.

I use snow-shoes and some of my ponds are a 1/2 mile in or so. I do it for the love of it and the joy of it. Ya the cash is nice but never enough for time and labor that goes with beav trapping.
Posted By: 3 Fingers

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/30/08 04:41 PM

I learned to trap b'ver thru ice in nw WI with footholds. Been hooked ever since. Nowadays I cut holes with a chainsaw and most sets are exactly like Fisher usmc 's picture. Sometimes I'm in a river with some current and set bait and snares in a V as b'vers work set facing upstream. This is a great thread, thanks guys!
Posted By: Dale Torma

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/30/08 09:33 PM

I have better success snaring the runs, especially when you have to clean out the whole house. If the conditions are right I can get them all(hard bottom, no floating bog where they can swim anywhere, or peat bog where they can have hidden tunnels in the peat under the water and muck) some conditions you have to use every trick or invent a new set.

Bait sets are fine when you just want to catch a couple and leave the rest for next year or the year after.

Depends on what you intend to do.

I have had locations where they wouldn't touch bait, and others where I caught them all with bait. Maybe someone educated them previously? Anyway under ice is fun, interesting and hard work.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/31/08 12:46 AM

Fisher,

How do you hold the snares next to the bait. Do you have a closeup pic of it?
Posted By: Slick T

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/31/08 01:36 AM

I would say a support wire wound around the verticle dry post holds the snare, at least in my book it does, sorry to intrude fisher, my bad!
Slick T
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/31/08 02:08 AM

most of the time you need to use a support wire but the snares i use are made for beaver, they open to ten inches so when i wire them to the pole i wire them really tight, all you have to do is move the snare up or down to where you want it, no need for support wire on thses snares just wirethem tight to the pole
Posted By: mntrapper_8

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/31/08 02:10 AM

Anyone,

How can you tell if you have trapped all of the beaver out of a pond when trapping under the ice?

Thanks,
mntrapper
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/31/08 02:46 AM

not really sure but i would chop a decent size hole at te entrence and when it has a fresh glaze of ice look for bubbles, thats the only thing i can think of
Posted By: mntrapper_8

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/31/08 05:59 AM

Thanks Fisher-usmc. It sounds like it's worth a shot. I hate trapping all of them out but there doing alot of damage.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/31/08 02:09 PM

I plan on taking a few more videos today on the line.
It is -26 here with an extra 12 inches of snow so I don't know it I will get out there today or not.


It is foolish to go out in this weather without someone with.
Posted By: madtrapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/31/08 03:23 PM

One way to know if there are still beaver in the pond is to cut a small hole or two in the ice and shove some green popple sticks down into the water, come back a few days later and check to see if they are cut off.
Posted By: bmead

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 12/31/08 03:24 PM

ok does any body have any pics of a 330 set up with the pvc for bait? and would it work with the ny trigger restrictions?
Posted By: NEBR. TRAPPER

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 07:23 AM

Hey guys,
I hope that you all dont mind that I run this back to the top again. This is like a beaver trapping manual for me. Thanks for all the pictures. Please keep them coming. Thanks, Mark
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 07:45 AM

bmead, I'll post a picture of the PVC setup tomorrow morning, Happy New Year!
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 02:41 PM

330,

I looking forward to seeing your pics! I want to see if I can improve the setups I made from the info on here.

I too will try to tape my traps setup with PVC and Aspen. I have them setup on our pool table now ready for taping.

I love this info that is coming out on underice sets!!!!!

Does anyone else have pics or videos of sets with traps or snares??

Rally, Are you out there??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Deerehunter03

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 04:00 PM

I would be interested in seeing under ice beaver poles set with foot holds. pictures would be appreciated
Posted By: Northof50

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 04:08 PM

Who uses under water fishing cameras to check sets?
I know fellows do for bucket otter sets in 20 feet of water. beaver?
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 04:42 PM

http://icwdm.org/handbook/rodents/ro_b1.pdf

Here's a Good link for Beginning Trappers... it is worth downloading the Manual, and it shows Clear Set diagrams...

I've had the paper manual for 23 years...or one just like it...
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 07:02 PM

ttt
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 07:06 PM

Here is a new video of baited 330 sets. These are similar to "330"'s pics.
Baited 330 conibears
Posted By: bmead

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 07:38 PM

thank you conibear 1 i like that video ny has trigger restrictions that kinda restrict how imaginative i could get but the set with the pvc wired to the bottom should work great thank you, and keep the rest of this info rolling very very helpful
Brandon
Posted By: johnsd16

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 07:50 PM

conibear, let us know how those different setups do!
Posted By: DakotaCoonSlayer

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 08:00 PM

I been trying to do couple under ice beaver sets with 330s and potato shoved up the triggers and it looks like they've been chewin on it the i come back a couple days later and the traps set off.. Does anyone have any suggetions on what i could do to catch em or what?
Posted By: Trapperkid01

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 09:14 PM

Thanks for the video conibear. Now make a video of what u catch
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/01/09 09:18 PM

jordan it may be a muskrat tripping and chewin the potatoe they like them too. i have used pvc, aspen/poplar, corn cob, potatoe, thay all work but i do find a few fired traps and no matter what it is for bait i find the fall and spring are better. where as the dead of winter the runs with a 330 work the best.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/02/09 02:01 AM

Here is a snare setup that I'm putting in tomorrow if the weather cooperates.
Under Ice snare Setup
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread Snaring/Trapping New - 01/02/09 01:31 PM

Can anyone show more pics or videos from on the line?

It would be great to get some videos on underice snaring on this thead for all to learn more about it.



smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/02/09 02:24 PM

Originally Posted By: squirrelchaser
Who uses under water fishing cameras to check sets?
I know fellows do for bucket otter sets in 20 feet of water. beaver?


I've never used my Aquaview to check traps. But, I have used it to find the entrances to houses so I could set my traps in the right place.
Posted By: Duramax05

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/02/09 02:50 PM

How far from hut are the feed beds normally? This is my first year with the under ice beaver trapping. In NY we have to be 15 feet from the hut so I am not sure in what direction to head. The spot I found yesturday has a lot of sign but I didnt get to scout before ice over and the ice sucks now to see the runs so I am not sure where to set. Headed out tomorrow to put some baited sets around the hut. Hopefully we will connect.
Posted By: trapper34

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/02/09 02:59 PM

In my area you can see the feed piles sticking out of the ice a little. But we don't get allot of snow usually either. Look for spots that have allot of small branches bunched up under the ice set on the edges of it.
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/02/09 03:00 PM

going to set/check under ice right now, will be back tonight with pics and hopefully a video
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/02/09 11:03 PM

Kre,

Awesome idea!! Sometimes it is too deep for my waders to feel the bottom of the run.
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/03/09 05:35 AM

here are the pics as promised. i had my baited snare poles out and 1 baited 330 like mole had with the aspen wired to the jaw i ended up with 18 beaver 17 on snare pole and the 330 i set had a small one. first time i tried the 330 set, i like it but chipping around the wires is kind of a pain.
snare poles around the feed pile

same lodge with beaver from snare pole

different lodge with 2 snare poles and a baited (wired to jaw) 330

small beaver in the baited set

viedo of me loosing my ice chisel


Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/03/09 09:25 PM

Nice pics!!! I like how you show your sets in relation to the feedbed!

What a crazy thing to do!! You are awesome!!

That is the best vid in awhile!! smile
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/05/09 01:33 AM

new update I set 4 lodges, each with 2 snare poles and 2 330's baited with it hanging from the spring with wire like moles, 2 days check resulted in 1 beaver from every lodge, 3 beaver in snare pole, 5 snare poles-snares knocked down, and 1 beaver in a baited 330. not sure why this was but i will say reguardless of the outcome i like the 330, easy to set, check, and the loose ice in the hole doesnt effet it, they dont knock down like snares. i will continue to use 2 of each at each lodge
Posted By: 330-Trapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/05/09 01:45 AM

Fisher-usmc... just give the White PVC on the trigger a try... you will be pleasantly supprised...look at the pics above..
Posted By: frwo25

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/05/09 10:17 PM

ttt
Posted By: reggiejr

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/05/09 11:12 PM

has anyone noticed a lack of action when over setting around a lodge.Is it posible to put the colony on high elert by poping in too many sets.seems like every time we set up too heavy the sets stay empty has any one had this happen to them too?these are under ice sets.
Posted By: reggiejr

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/05/09 11:46 PM

ttt
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/06/09 12:19 AM

not sure reggie, like i mentioned i set 4 sets per lodge, always find 1 beaver on one of the sets on a 2 day check. good to see your from maine also, good luck.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/06/09 12:52 PM

Reggie,
Beavers seem to come out with or without much distrubance in experience. No matter what, the time seems to how fast they find your baited set.
Posted By: Dale Torma

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/06/09 01:26 PM

Jordan Anderson,

I have caught quite a few beaver with potato slices for bait. I also have had a large percentage of misses when the trigger is on the bottom. I think the beaver are in a vertical position when working the bait and the snapping lower jaw pushes them out of the trap.

with the triggers on top and bent mostly out of the way, the only way they can spring the trap is if they pull it over their head while working the bait. I have never had a miss or empty trap with the bait tied on bottom and the trigger on top. I also set the trap so the triggers are on the far side away from the expected approach to get the beaver in the trap 2 more inches.

I wire a bunch of nice poplar sticks between the jaws and even wire them solid to one jaw. you could pierce your potato quarter and run wire through it and wire between the bottom jaws.

This is the only set that i have the triggers on top, usually I have the triggers on bottom for an open water or channel set to keep the trigger from cutting back hair.

I have good luck with Belisle 280's on the baited "trapeze" set, catch right behind the skull. 330's will catch on or behind the shoulders.

Like I said before, I also use mostly unbaited snares under ice and 2 or 3 baited conibears per colony.

I have not had luck with any kind of foothold set, but would like to try the under ice sets with TS 85's or something of that size. maybe setting on bottom in shallower water.
Posted By: BeavBGone

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/06/09 10:45 PM

Just a few pics to keep this thread going. Had 8 beaver out of 10 sets. Caught 7 in 330s in runs and one on a snare pole. Had one snare pole empty and one 330 snapped that was in the same run with another one that connected. Very happy with the day for just a few sets.








Posted By: Ron Scheller

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/06/09 11:28 PM

Here's a few pics of some under-ice beaver trapping.

Here's an active bank den. Viewing from across the stream. Notice the feed pile and bubble trail between the feed pile and shoreline.



Another view from standing on top the den:



Here's a feeder den located about 100 yards upstream. Notice peeled sticks near the entrance. These are often much easier to set as they are typically shallower than main dens or lodge entrances:



Pic of a 45-pounder in a 330. Check out that cute face looking through the ice:



Beaver shown in previous pic. Always use dead sticks to stabilize the traps. Beavers will stop and chew the stakes if green:

Posted By: MnMan

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/06/09 11:37 PM

Fisher-usmc, I don't know why you bother using snares and traps when you could probably just go under the ice and grab 'em.
Very informative post guys...good ideas and pictorials.
I'm pretty sure I would be seeking alternative methods for chisel retrieval, however!
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 01:18 AM

I have a spot that looks similar to yours Ron. I heading there the next chance I get.

Well...the den and feedbed looks the same except I have 6" of ice on the river and 18" of snow....lol..
Posted By: Brandon Yuchasz

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 01:37 AM

BeavBGone,

not to get to far off track but how do you like that tundra is it the 550 long track? do you do much trail breaking and what type of snow conditions do you get over in MN? Considering a new / used sled next year and thats on my short list but I keep going back and forth between it and a larger wide track.
Posted By: BeavBGone

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 01:46 AM

Brandon, its the 300 tundra and has been a great sled. We have quite a bit of powder snow this year and it has been doing great breaking trails.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 01:50 AM

Dale,

You make a good point. How do beavers work the bait on an underice set?

Maybe some snarer's have a better idea about this.
Posted By: Slick T

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 02:36 AM

When no snow is present and the ice is clear, I have noticed from the air bubbles, that when snaring outside the feed bed, the beaver will swim by the baited pole 2-3 feet away and work it from the opposite direction of their initial "takeoff". It's almost as if they want to look at the hut while feeding.??? Ya got me why, I'm no beaver.
Posted By: Slick T

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 02:42 AM

With all these big numbers of beaver being taken from the southern states, they should stock pile and feed a couple hundred for 5 years. After freeze up, have a trapping tournament from the members posting in this forum.

Think about it, daily checks with a videographer so no-one cheats, tips and tricks for an on the line training class, and the top 5 winners by weight and numbers.

Problably could never happen but it's worth a thought I figured.

Slick T
Posted By: dew

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 02:51 AM

just get in after them lol.




Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 03:01 AM

slick, that tournament thing cought be fun but i think still some people would cheat. just leave the animal in the trap and check it for 3 days. not sure but nowadays hardly anyone is honest. i like the idea though. maybe next year.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 03:27 AM

Slick I've never noticed that!! I need to watch more closely. A person could mark the side of a snare in such a way to test how often that happens. smile

You are the man Dew!! It is nice when the water is shallow enough!!
Posted By: countrysmith

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 03:34 AM

i like this idea of the beaver and weasel thread... it should almost be a how to sort of thing... like everything we do from scouting to making sets to the harvest and skinning and fleshing part... the pics you guys put on say a thousand words..and we could be doing this for all the other animals also... ahh i see it now... the best trapping site ever with the most info ever.. i dont know how many years it took before i thought i knew what i was doing was right... if i could have only had a website like this... i will start taking pics this weekend to contribute to this idea of mine
Posted By: trapper34

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/07/09 04:37 AM

I will try and remember my camera tomorrow when I check & show what I did at one of my locations. If in current beaver will typically swim into the current to feed, this is my thinking anyways.
Posted By: Brandon Yuchasz

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/08/09 02:34 AM

I typed this up for another forum today. I figure it fits into the thread for those of us in colder area's.

Dangers of winter trapping in the UP eh?

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Well I worked my schedule all week to get today off to play in the woods. Packed up the sled and snow machine and headed out. I had great plans today of setting the rest of the ponds with snare poles and baited 330's.

I got to the first pond about 5 miles on snow machine and pulled off and buried the machine. So after using the snowshoe as a shovel I dug it out and found a better parking spot. I was really hot by this time so I just laid down my wool jacket on the machine along with the helmet and started looking for poles to use.

No aspen to be found in the area or poplar so after searching I settled on trying birch on one pole and dogwood on the other. I find dogwood in the feed beds often up here.

Ok so pond number 1 and I am snowshoeing in about a half mile with some snares, tags and wire in bag two poles over my shoulder and a hatchet in the other hand.

as I was getting close to the first hut maybe 150 yards away I was passing some dead trees sticking out of the ice I felt the ice go out under my feet

It wasn't a fast plunge it was a slow sink down to my armpits. Its strange but I have often thought about how to react going through the ice. Remarkably I did exactly what I had always thought I would. I caught myself on the snare poles, one side of the ice where the poles were on top of the ice started to go down. I turned around the way I had come from and used my hatchet (really a small axe) to stick into the ice and pull myself out.

Pulling yourself onto snow covered ice with snowshoes on is not all that easy I have come to find out. But I was able to do it without need for the ice spuds I carry around my neck.

I remember feeling sticks under my feet when I was in the water. What I felt with my snowshoes / feet makes me thing I went though in a feed bed. I never saw one there this fall and there was no evidence of one showing above the snow. Now the stupid part is I snow shoed to this spot on purpose because I saw what I thought was a breather hole for otter. My best guess is there is a bank den nearby I didn't even know existed and this was a feed bed for it.

After getting out of the water onto the ice I was breathing really hard and obviously adrenaline is pumping. I considered weather I should drop my bag and shed any clothing. I decided against both. The bag was light and I would have to come back for it if I dropped it. All of my clothing was wool with the exception of my shirt which was fleece and the snow/shell pants. I considered taking off my fleece since it was heavy with water but decided not to do anything until I got back to the snowmobile. You would be surprised how hard you are breathing after getting wet at 20 degrees and snowshoeing a half mile while wet. You may also be surprised that you talk to yourself

Back at the snowmobile. I took of my snowshoes and dropped them in the sled. Pulled phone and camera out of my pockets and popped them apart and dropped them in the plastic box. I was dressed fairly well and wasnt feeling effects of the cold water after that walk. I had on wool long underwear. Wool pants and a pair of thin snow pants over all that on the bottom. The pants had actually kept me fairly dry underneath and where I was wet through the wool was warm even though wet. My feet were also warm for the time being even though soaked again my body heat had warmed the wet wool socks. My upper body was not in as good of shape all I had on was wool long underwear and a fleece shirt when I went in. I shed the shirt and threw it in the sled and pulled off the long underwear shirt. Rung it as dry as I could get it and put it back on. Lucky for me I had shed my coat earlier I put that on as well and felt fairly warm.
I had extra gloves and a facemask for under the helmet so believe it or not the 5 mile ride back was not all that bad. My stomach and back were cold but that was all.

Back at the house I discovered that the water didnt get to far past my snow pants the wool pants underneath were wet but not soaked and the wool long underwear was similar. My feet were a different story my boots were soaked and my socks were dripping. Hind sight I should have pulled off my boots and dumped them out and rung out my socks when I did my shirt.

Sorry no pictures guys the camera got a little wet


The main reason I am sharing this isn't to brag about going through the ice in the UP. Trust me that was really DUMB. But hopefully the info might be helpful to others out there.

I realize several things worked in my favor. The weather was truly not that cold today 20 degrees with little wind beats the 5 degrees with -15 wind-chill I did a check in a week ago. Had that been the weather I would have been in serious trouble. Wearing all wool is probably the smartest thing someone could do in the outdoors in the winter. It retrains 80% of its insulating value when wet. It takes abuse can be dirt wet or both and still work. Gortex or other miracle fibers are amazingly warm and thin but dont do anything for you when wet except freeze solid. They make a nice outer shell but thats all you should use them for. The other thing I did right was to have safety equipment on my person. Every one of us is guilty of cutting corners. Had I not had the hatchet or the ice spuds? What would have been the outcome? I hate to think.

Three years ago when I first got serious about winter trapping beavers up here things would have been very different. The hatchet would have been in my pack. I would have been wearing synthetic long underwear, blue jeans, the same fleece shirt and a wool coat. I also would have been 2 miles in on snowshoes because I trapped a different pond back then. I would have had a survival kit with me something I did not have today. But even building a fire back then wound not have cut it because of the clothing I had on. Warm wet cotton wont help you one bit. Warm damp wool certainly will.


After effects are not to bad little horse in the throat but that seems to be it. I will try and take a picture of the hole this weekend when I get out to set the rest of the line. This time I will take the picture for the safety of shore though Also plan to check the ice near the huts before heading out onto it. I was shocked it was thin the pond had been frozen since November.
Posted By: trapper34

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/08/09 03:11 AM

Wow quite the story! I have one wool outfit love it. Need to get more. I fell in up to my knees a few weeks ago,legs never got cold or even seemed wet.
Posted By: Lundy

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/08/09 04:16 AM

Nothing is more exciting than taking a sudden waist deep plunge! Waders do help.
I've never had to dive in after an ice spud. I showed my boys the video and told them thats why I need their help. I did tell them I'd hold their feet. LOL
Posted By: Northof50

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/08/09 05:59 AM

Brandon welcome to the polar bear club.
When I'm walking on ice I use a old grass weed wacker 1960 model and take off the grass cutting blade and temper the tip to a spud/spear shape, Then you sound the ice around you as you walk.
You probably found an area there is a warm spring flowing and it melts the ice underneath and the snow insulates it from freezing over. When ours start to flow in the winter they will thaw 3 feet of ice in a week. Otter and beaver will go to them to have HOT water baths underwater, much like a hot tub to them.
If you are allowed; blind snare set them there, no bait just suspended snares.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/08/09 12:38 PM

Awesome story Brandon!!

It will be great to see more pics 34!!
Posted By: Brandon Yuchasz

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/08/09 01:13 PM

SquirrelChaser,
You could be correct on the warm spring. There was a small spot of open water on the cross over and the stream was flowing and clean of ice. I have put a leg through many times around huts in runs especially on bank dens. This felt very similar like I had walked out onto a snow covered hole and the snow was the only thing supporting me. i kinda sunk and fell forward at the same time onto the snare poles that I placed across the hole.

My phone has dried out and seems to work. Good think too its a 300$ phone I use for work and to keep my life straight. I just got the darn thing and certainly could not justify another one anytime soon. Plastic bag for it from now on.

Sorry to hijack the thread a bit. I will take some pictures of my snares this weekend when I am out and post them up. Also thinking of setting for a few otter. I am allowed two more this year.

In michigan we can snare as long as its the correct season ( after december 1st) and it has to be set under ice.
Posted By: Northof50

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/08/09 03:51 PM

Cell phones and zip lock bags and a small pac of silica gel inside. This should be in every beaver trappers supply list.
So now you know what a "hangmans knock sounds like" when you are going down.
You have not hijacked anything, as long as it is a learning experience someone can learn from.
Posted By: countrysmith

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/09/09 04:12 AM

this is what i have been trying.. i have not got anything with it as of yet but i will find out this weekend..




Posted By: countrysmith

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/09/09 04:13 AM

ttt
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/09/09 04:39 AM

connibear1 how you make out with those sets anyway? hope you did good i'll post some more pics this weekend going south to trap some flooded farms about 20 lodges,
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/10/09 02:09 PM

I still have to set them Fisher. frown

It worked out I didn't have enough time. Today or tomorrow I will get them out. I want to wait until the temp. reaches at least -4 before I venture out to my secluded spots. It is -13 right now. I don't have a snowmobile...only snowshoes and an otter sled.

Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/11/09 03:22 PM

ttt
Posted By: huntingmaxima

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/11/09 04:28 PM

When beaver go back and forth from hut to dam, are they traveling just under the ice or on the bottom?
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/11/09 06:17 PM

I believe either and all in between. It all depends on why and what they happen to be doing at the time. For the most part nearer the lodge or den, they are on the bottom following their grooved runways on the bottom. When they arrive the dam or feedbed, I believe they go pretty much anywhere.
Posted By: Calvin

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/11/09 06:19 PM

CountySmith. You will catch beaver with that method (photo) but take a look at 330-Trappers setup above. The "Bait" is located alot closer to the jaw allowing more room for the beaver. You will get more snapped traps with your method and give out more "beaver headaches".

After trial and error, I use Moles settup with a shorter bait stick and wired lower on the jaws with the trigger wires even further to the side (Johnny thorpe method).
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/12/09 04:27 AM

well, i just got back from the trip to the flooded farms, had 23 lodges, set three traps at each lodge, ended up with 21 beaver, 3 lodges didnt have anything but i expected it since there was no feed pile on them, nothin great a few over 60 pounds and most around 45 had 2 really small ones but got one by the hind foot with a duke 330, it was about even catch ratio using baited the jaw 330 and baited snare pole. although every 330 that was tripped had a beaver, there where many closed snares. i will still use both at each lodge. i laso found the bigger beaver in the snare pole, but pretty sure it was just luck.
Posted By: Clark

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/12/09 07:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Fisher-usmc
...i laso found the bigger beaver in the snare pole, but pretty sure it was just luck...


That has been my general experience when setting baited sets.

Clark
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/12/09 03:20 PM

Excellent pics! I love the hind foot catch! I did that last spring with a Duke 330...great great traps.

Sounds like you have a nice size line out. How much ice do you have in Maine now?
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/12/09 06:42 PM

well the thickness of the ice in someplaces in an inch or so but at most of the flowages i'm down into 18-20 inches. should have got them sooner so i wouldnt have to deal with it.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/13/09 03:30 AM

I was going to start using a chainsaw because of the ice thickness now. For me it is another piece of weight to carry along.

How many people use chainsaws to cut their holes?
Posted By: madtrapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/13/09 04:43 AM

I don't think it's good to cut a large hole for snares, if a beaver is caught before the hole freezes over he can get out and run around all over on top of the ice.
Posted By: madtrapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/13/09 05:18 AM

I use a chainsaw, they work good. Canadians use them a lot.
Posted By: 3 Fingers

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/13/09 06:13 AM

Ax and chisel for fall (bait) b'vers, chainsaw for late winter.
Posted By: akmac

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/14/09 06:30 AM

Has anyone used a handsaw for cutting the ice? I am not talking about a wood saw, I am talking about a saw designed to cut the ice. They have blades around 44 inches long and the teeth look like something from a sci-fi movie.
Posted By: huntingmaxima

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/14/09 03:31 PM

Doesnt anybody use their power auger? i also use my power auger for my speering hole. just (2) 8" holes side by side.
Posted By: STUMPMAKER

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/14/09 04:22 PM

I tried using a power auger, but does not work for me in Northwest Wisconsin. I use a 272 Husky saw with a 24" bar and also a 36" bar. Takes only a few minutes to cut thru a foot or more ice. Cut a square or long rectangle in ice for snares. I use snares 99.9% of the time under ice, 330 coni otherwise.

As mentioned before only set feed pile and legal distance from dam. As for ice closing up the hole or beav getting in a snare then up on the ice, I cover the hole with paper feed sack or boughs then shovel a couple feet of snow on top of this. If only a foot or less it work also to keep ice from getting to thick in hole. I have done this in -30F and only had about 2" or less of ice in hole, sometimes no ice only skimed over. This also keeps the hole dark and beav does not get up on the ice. I check once a week and chisel very little.

As for the weight of the saw, I put it in a military type back-pack and small gas container (1 gal.) and the bar oil is veggy oil in a 1 ltr container all in back pack with wire, snares, pliers,mnachete and such. I walk in or snow-shoe most of the time in 1/2 mile or so. Use a otter sledsmall on also on check day's. Temp now is -5F wind chill -15F
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/14/09 06:01 PM

i use a chainsaw sometime but usually i dont want everyone and their mother knowing i'm there, plus most of my lodges are a few mile walk, a walk i would rather do without a chainsaw, let alone a chainsaw with a beaver. i've never had abeaver on top of the ice but i had one break the cross pole and drag it under water, you could see where it came out in open water got hung up and chewed the snare off at the pole, so the snare is still on him, i sure hope he's not dead.
Posted By: STUMPMAKER

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/14/09 06:20 PM

You only need to bring the saw in just one time, unless you plane on making more sets on the same pond. I take all day, say Saturday start around 6:00 am and go trapping all day. Make my sets on the ponds,carrying in the saw just one time, then do the next pond. You do not carry saw in every time you go check traps snares etc...

I am not a young buck like you Fisher-usmc anymore, but when I was I could and still do if need be carry a 20lb.+ saw in one hand and a 30lb.+ beave over my shoulder or drag or whatever with the other hand. The key or point is to work smarter not harder.

Hey, I have chiseled my fair share of ice not just a few inches thick stuff, like 18"+ when I was a few years younger, then I read about the guy's in Canada, Alaska using chainsaw to cut in ice and cover the hole up with snow, boughs, feed sack etc. WOW COOL IDEA!!! SOOOOO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO CHOP A POOP LOAD OF ICE ON CHECK DAY.

To each their own and other mileage may vary. Good luck with the ice
Posted By: mntrapperboy

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/14/09 07:07 PM

mntrapperboy's dad here, the kid has got me addicted. We've modified most of the baited 330 sets to what you guys have suggested and still only have so-so luck. When we put the work into the run sets we have good luck. I'm thinking it is in the location of the sets, how close and in what general location to the feed bed do you make the sets? Up high just below the top of the ice or somewhere lower? I hear you talk about the baited sets at the dams also, anything special with that locations, real close to the dam or just somewhere between the lodge and dam? Oh yah, fell in to my knees a couple of weeks ago, does that quailify as a polar bear or do you have to go totally under?
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/14/09 07:08 PM

thanks stump, didnt quite know what you ment, i fill in the holes with snow to make it easier. i thought you ment taking it to check also. the smarter not harder thing, is reason i dont use a chainsaw to hump a few miles in. i would rather work a little harder for 5 minutes chipping a whole then working harder for and hour luggin it in, thats assuming your walking 3 miles per hour through waste deep snow in the thick brush. I do know what you mean though. but then again thats why when you get a 60 pounder that far in you should skin it on the spot, wish i did that but i like to clean skin em.
Posted By: Fisher-usmc

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/14/09 07:13 PM

mntrapper, i set right on the edge of the feed pile on both sides and in front, if there is to many stik in the way i move a little out but still set right on the edge on it. and i very the set from being close to the top to in the middle, i hardly ever put in on the bottom, i'll post pics friday as to where i set on the lodges
Posted By: STUMPMAKER

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/14/09 08:02 PM

Hey no problem Fisher-usmc. Do you cover your holes then put snow over the covering?? A GREAT little book by Trapper Art is a big help for the new and old beaver trapper. Does not cost much, and easy to find at most trap supply outfits. Yes, skin out big boy's on the ice is smart-good idea, just flesh it out later or clean skin out in the bush, what ever is you pleasure.

I set snares off feed piles. BUT be carful, you need to stay several feet away from the pile or you can get all tangled up in it. No fun when you have a beav on one end and it is all caught up in the pile, or worst yet tangle up and break -twist cable. Same with conni traps you can get sticks setting of your trap. Some take chisel or their arm and clear away the food-sticks then set, do what works best for you.

Trial and error sometimes is good for you. I set my snare or conni about 6" below the ice and then dependes how deep water is. Normaly water is around 3-6" deep with about 26" ice. so if in three foot water, snare or trap is about 6-8" below the ice, just off bottom. I do put 3 or 4 snares on some poles if water is say 4' deep or more. 2 on top (6" below ice) then 2 on bottom (8-12")I will even put 2 conni's on a deep set same wat 1 on top 1 on bottom. Their is many way's to go about it.

As for dam set with bait, depends what your reg's say. In Wisconsin we have to stay 15' away from the dam with a set. I have found out a baited set of the edge of the dam and land wher it comes together to be deadly. I have caught many a big big beav with snare or conni doing this.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/15/09 02:21 AM

Great information!! I'm thinking that I may go straight snares on my long walks the rest of the winter. Bringing a chainsaw in for the 1st cut would work out great and then just carry a chisel.

Skinning on the ice sounds good, but the time factor would make it tough most days. I need to get in, check, un-freeze my glasses and walk out. During the spring I bring my knife on the longer excursions.

I love all this underice talk!! There are alot of little tricks
that one can learn!! smile
Posted By: akmac

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/15/09 03:53 AM

Hi guys, here is the saw I was talking about. What are your thoughts?
http://www.icesaws.com/

When I was a kid I remember seeing oldtimers cutting the ice to set fish nets with a large saw that were used to fell trees. They made really short work of the ice.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/15/09 08:25 PM

I'm curious how well it works. It is expensive though.
Posted By: Crutch

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/15/09 08:42 PM

I have used one of those saw's for years, it will cut through 2 ft of ice like a hot knife through butter. I love it. Only problem I have had is it can get dull and then you are hosed.
And it only works to open a new hole, no good for checks. Crutch
Posted By: STUMPMAKER

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/15/09 09:18 PM

My question is how do you start the hole to start cuuting? Is the tip able to chop thru a 1" or more of ice or what. Otherwise looks like it would be fun to try it out. Making ice big time outside last few days. Temp for high is -5F wind chill -45F, this morning it was -30F at the house at 6:00AM.

Crutch; one more time with this and last time ok- cover the hole with boughts, or paper feed bag or the fabric ones or whatever, then shovel snow on top of this, it will keep the ice from forming to thick. less then an 1" to just a few inches is all will make under the snow and boughs etc... It also prevents beav from coming up on the ice.

Keep it coming kid's it is all being put down with my notes to make this more fun and simple.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/18/09 03:41 AM

If one couldn't sharpen the saw, then I don't see its worth. A good chainsaw would be much better IMO for the initial cut.

What are some good underice videos to learn from?
Posted By: Calvin

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/18/09 04:37 AM

I can't see why you couldn't sharpen the Ice saw. I haven't gotten to that point yet but it doesn't look difficult. I know they offer sharpening from the manufacterer as well. I have only used the ice saw one season but its surely a nice tool that I wont be without anymore. I use a chisel initially for a pilot hole, however. I don't know that I trust the ice saws durability for chiseling holes in thick ice. I also use the chisel when walking...sound testing the ice. You can at times find thinner ice (runs) with the sound test method, which can make for less cutting. If your walking around a beaver house without sound testing the ice, or using a chisel in front of you, your looking for trouble. Spiking the ice in front of me with a chisel has saved me from being potential turtle food many times.

Johnny Thorpe has good under ice beaver video out.
Posted By: conibear1

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/20/09 03:48 AM

It is dangerous around the beaver lodges ! It had been cold for 4 days last week and I encountered a 1/4" of ice for 6' near one lodge on Saturday. That was a little scarey. I always check the ice with my 20 lb. spud!
Posted By: trapper34

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/20/09 09:48 PM

OK here is a few that I am going to try,put them out this afternoon. I have used this same setup in the past. The ice by these feed piles is scrary it was all slush with very little ice under it. Few feet away it is 16"+.

The feed pile is under here.


The trap set up
Posted By: WISMATT

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/25/09 01:27 AM

Me, Blackdog, and Wisco Trapper went to set some underice beaver sets last week. With 11 sets in we had a few misses but hooked up on two. Here are some pictures.





Posted By: trapper34

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/25/09 06:33 PM

My sets were out 4 days & only managed one snapped trap! I think I was in the feed pile to far & not on the edge like I want to be.So much snow on the ice hard to tell where the edge is. I will redo these sets when it warms up a little. Might go back to the painted foam on the trigger instead, worked the last time I tried this.
Posted By: Coalman

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/29/09 04:17 PM

This is the best thread currently going at Trapperman. The format of this forum allows good informational posts like this to get lost.

This thread deserves "Sticky" status at this time of year.
Thanks Conibear1 for directing me here.

Brandon, where are the pictures? The closest I have come to dying so far was a soaking while beaver trapping. I can relate.

I finally have a little time to devote to one of my favorite passions "Under Ice Beaver Trapping".

This thread and being able to share my adventures with you makes it even sweeter.

I wrote an on-line diary of my under ice beaver trapping last winter. Per ADC's request I put it here.
http://jayme220.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=archive&action=display&thread=24

I have been out twice to these lodges early this winter. The ice wasn't safe at the runs or feedbed. Going back this weekend and try some of the baited sets I have read on this thread.

Here are a few lodges all in the same piece, all the same permit. I took these pictures on a scouting mission in December after the brutal ice storm we had in New England.

The ice.


The condo.


The condo up close.


This pond is the furthest from the truck. I need the exercise.


Two lodges in this pond.


I am bringing a couple guys who want to see what beaver trapping is all about. With 20+" of snow on the ground and snowshoes being the only means of transportation in this piece, I look forward to the help.

Coalman
Posted By: Crutch

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/29/09 04:57 PM

STUMPMAKER, to start a hole to use the ice saw I have a four inch hand auger that I use to open a hole before I use the saw. The saw dose have a point that can be used to chip a hole but it won't work to well after the ice is over 8 inches thick. I also use this hole to find out if the water is deep enough or to deep. And I can find out how long of a pole I will need for a set.( I use snares quite a bit.)I Also use this hole to find out if there are a bunch of sticks in the way. I have found that many times when I have cut a hole and did not check the deepth or for sticks in the way, I would need to move a few feet away and cut another hole, so I learned the hard way. Now I drill a small hole and check before I cut my larger hole.
Calvin, My saw became dull when I brought a friend with an he through the saw on the groud when it was folded shut. You know how the saw folds against the wood handle, well it must have bent the very tips of the teeth it won,t cut anything now it is duller then a butter knife. I tried filing the tips with no luck, haven't tried getting it sharpend by the manufacturer yet.

Crutch
Posted By: mnbeavtrapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 01/29/09 07:19 PM

Wow this is some good stuff I'm taking it all in. I set a dozen traps yesterday on 5 different lodges. 5 baited 330s and 7 in runs. 2 lodges were strictly runs and the other 3 were baited 330s I usually only trap runs that is just the way I have done it for the pasty 14 years during the winter. Here is a pic of one of the lodges 4 traps set 3 house runs and one bank den. And here is a pic of how I set my 330s that were baited Does it look right to you guys. I have never set baited 330s through the ice this way before.

Posted By: swampcat

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/01/09 01:15 AM

This is a great thread and enjoy seeing the pictures! My partner and I just started trapping about a week and half ago... We put out 10 sets to get started. First check we had three and today we had 4. The pics are of one of the ones we got...All of our sets are runs off the houses using stabilizers and 330s. We had a cool thing happen today while setting some more sets out. We were at one house and found five runs to set so we cut the holes and then my partner sets up the traps and I put them in. Well, I had set three of the runs and was working on my fourth when my partner says "hey" we got a beaver! Here the first run I had set the stabilizer was moving around and we had caught a blanket beaver coming out of the house!! I know many trappers have done this but, I have caught a lot of beaver over the years and this was the first time for me... It was a good way to end the day-

Sorry, for the long post but, I thought it was worth telling!

Posted By: Coalman

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/01/09 03:00 PM

01/31/09
I had the pleasure of sharing a trapline yesterday with a couple of my friends from NEHN

Oddfish and Big Blue helping Coalman "Paint the Fence".


This is hut #1. It took a little chopping but we did find the hut entrance.


We went to hut #2 but beaver activity was minimal. So we headed another 1/4 mile in to the "Condo".

There is no sign of the feed bed above the snow line. It took us a couple holes to find the edge of the feed bed. We put in three baited sets. One with the the bait wired to the pole. One with the bait wired to the trigger and the last with the bait wired to the bottom jaw of the 330.

A picture of our efforts.


I can't thank OD or BB enough for coming with me and helping. Winter beaver trapping is a physical effort. I only wish they could be here today when I go check the traps.

I owe you both a turkey hunt. laugh
Posted By: Coalman

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/01/09 07:09 PM

02/01/09
I put a strap around my belt and became my own sled dog. The packed down trail made the walk in instinct.

The Jet Sled followed with ease.


Arriving at the Condo Pond.


View of the pond from the lodge.


Bubbles are good.


The pole was heavy.


The prize


Text book


Rebuilding the set.


Thanks OD and BB. Life is good.
Posted By: Con

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/02/09 12:49 AM

Hopefully I will be posting some of my pics tomorrow. Maybe a vid if I can...
Posted By: four coil

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/03/09 10:56 AM

Nice posts and nice pictures.
Thanks Shawn
Posted By: Firefighter

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/08/09 08:18 PM

Unbelievably informative post! Keep it coming guys!!!
Posted By: crazytrapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/08/09 08:24 PM

nice pics
Posted By: madtrapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/08/09 10:00 PM

Somebody asked about a video on under ice beaver trapping. The Minnesota trapper's association put one together a few years ago, (maybe 20 years ago) I don't think we could put it on here, but maybe it is still around somewhere.
Posted By: madtrapper

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/08/09 10:09 PM

When using bodygrips with bait on the trigger I think you will have better luck if you use a larger trap such as the MB 12 X 16's.
Posted By: Blackdog

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/09/09 10:52 PM

Blak Coyote (AKA) Duane Fronek has a Basic Under-Ice Beaver Trapping DVD for sale!! $15 shipped to your door!!

It covers all the basics>> Bodygrips,Snares,Footholds,Safty!

Any DVD from a guy that can take 75 beavers from under the ice in a season is a must see!

PM Me if you have any questions.
Posted By: Firefighter

Re: 2009 Under Ice Beaver Thread - 02/25/09 07:54 PM

I'm getting some positive results from this thread!

3 for 6 through the ice the other day.









I had another set where I threaded a greenstick straight onto one side of the trigger. There was chewing evident but the trap did not go off. I will shy away from that configuration in the future.
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