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Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd

Posted By: muskrat411

Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/02/21 09:31 PM

On the most recent Porcupine Caribou herd satellite collars. A lot of the herd is bunched up against the Dalton Highway. They always go that far but never seem to cross it. As they have no problem crossing the Dempster Highway from Dawson City to the NWT border I was wondering why the don't cross the Dalton Highway. Is it different country on the west side of the Dalton Highway? More hunters / predators? I cant imagine it is much busier than the Dempster Highway.
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/02/21 11:07 PM

Pipeline?
If they are that far west they are mixing with the central arctic herd.
Posted By: mad_mike

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/03/21 03:33 AM

Chemicals on the highway?

Or, maybe they get too far from the smell of maple if they cross.
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/03/21 04:44 AM

The Porcky herd has never been higher. I think they are taking over the Central Arctic herd. They have been going to the Dalton regularly for several years now. Check out the PCMB web site.
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/03/21 04:47 AM

Seriously you guys I really want actual opinions as to why you guys think they do not cross. They cross the Demeter readily so I don't think it's the dust suppressor.
Posted By: HFT AK

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/03/21 05:16 AM

I have not been up that way since 2018, but use to hit every year prior to that. What I noticed was the travel ways changed alot when the were doing the under ground testing looking for oil reserves. Between that and helicopters there was alot of traffic. The terrain aint much different on the west side were the artic herd normally comes from in August. Doubt it is hunting pressure. It has always been weird to me how animals set boundaries' or territories, but it always involves food. So maybe what they chow on there aint as much on the west side.
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/03/21 06:03 AM

Yes HFT that is very possible. They may be crossing but the map is too large and missing it. But it is probably territory and feed. Whatever it is they are eating there must be a lot of it this year as there are a ton of them right up against the highway. Anybody know how the snow condition along the Dalton?
Posted By: 30/06

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/04/21 12:42 AM

I fly into Coldfoot and Bettles fairly often, and have seen some lately southeast of Bettles, in the Kanuti Flats, and some southwest of Coldfoot near the confluence of North Fork and Middle Fork Koyukuk River. So a few are crossing the road. Lots more south and south east of Coldfoot. Very interesting movement this year. Has the herd grown significantly lately?
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/04/21 04:51 PM

Yes the herd is at record numbers right now. The herd information and is available on the PCMB web site https://pcmb.ca/satellite-collars/. Ill go on Google Earth and see where them places you mentioned are. Im hoping to make a trip to Barrow if COVID ever ends see some of that country. Also my wife's family may have left a kennel of malamutes there before they left for Canada in the forties. They said they are still there want to try get a pup.

The graph on the website puts the Porcupine Caribou herd at around 250000 caribou.

Thanks for the info 30/06
Posted By: Inupiaq

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/04/21 05:37 PM

We have a similar issue on our DMTS highway (the Red Dog road). It's a 52 mile road that goes from the mine in the mountains to the port at the ocean. It's basically an East to West road. The Western Arctic Caribou herd travels from north to south in the fall, and reverse in the spring. Years ago, our main caribou biologist saw on the collar data that there was a lot of "bouncing" off the road in the fall. Caribou would approach the road at 11 miles an hour and hit it and go back north the same speed most of the time. They would try again and again. Some would bounce 6 times before crossing. Some would just go way back up north and winter there after their first bounce, and die on the north side. Others, after bouncing a few times would go east and around the road. Nobody at the time knew the reason for this bouncing. Could it be wolves? Bears? Trucks/vehicles? Local hunters on four-wheelers (shareholders are allowed to hunt on the road in the fall). Nobody knew the answer to this question. By policy, trucks are only allowed to stop if the caribou are within 100 yards of the road. Not sure if that changed, but there was talk about that, as these trucks are very heavy and going decent speeds. Not sure about the policing of these policies either. Also, there were some young hunters on four-wheelers who were not letting the lead herd cross the road. Our biologist wanted at least 10,000 to cross before hunting begins, but due to political pressures, they open it after a few hundred cross.

I personally observed the first herd in the fall approach the road. The trucks were ordered to stop, park and leave their vehicle and get a ride back to the mine or port, whichever way they were traveling. At the same time, hunters were not allowed on. A herd of about 400 approached the road, didn't cross it. Just ate, laid down, mingled, the whole day and night. As if it were some "rest stop" to just chill for a little while. The next morning, they ate some more, and that afternoon, crossed as if the road were not even there.

When I asked the biologist about this, he noted that caribou have a strange sense to stop and wait at certain places for the rest of their buddies from time to time. And no matter how far they are apart, some could be 100 miles south, somehow, they all know to stop at the same time! Not only that, but if they reverse their trek, whether they are 100 miles south or not, they ALL reverse their trek, as if they are communicating with one another. The biologist retired not long after these discoveries, so there are no real answers to these questions. It would be nice to get some Laplander reindeer herders, or some from Eastern Russia herders to come and check out what/why. My theory is weather. That's the only logical explanation as to their synchronized movements 100 miles or more from each other. A warm weather system will push them all back north, while a cold system will help bring them all down.

One other thing that the biologist noticed is that let's say caribou bounce several times off the road and then cross, they actually speed up quite a bit after crossing so as to "get back on schedule". Also, what caribou do here is once they cross the road, they'll go this fast to "the next checkpoint, or rest place" and wait for their buddies to catch up. Once their buddies are caught up, they'll go fast again to get back on schedule. Last, the caribou not only bounce going south, but let's say some cross the road north to south, and a warm front comes, they trek back north, well, for some reason they bounce again! Sometimes 3-6 times going north in the fall! So there is something about a road, because hunters are not on it and trucking really slows down in October/November. Crazy.

Our herd is climbing back slowly. I think we're around 230k. Used to be 480k. My personal opinion is climate change has had a lot to do with the decline. They also come through the Kobuk River and Noatak a LOT later now. I haven't shot a fall bull in September in about 10 years now. Kotzebue should see our first caribou any day. One day there'll be nothing on the ocean ice (the coastal group coming from that road) and the next they'll be shortcutting through our ocean ice to "catch up, get back on schedule" and flow right around town. The problem with such a late migration is we harvest a lot of females, as bulls are in rut. Also, because Kotzebue area is not a rest stop area, it's a "gotta catch up and get back on schedule" area, they move through pretty fast. So gotta get what ya can when they're here.

Muskrat, I would have a good biologist look hard at that collar data and even get some observers on the road where they're congregating/bouncing. See what the cause is. It may just be that they made that a resting place before their next big push to the next resting place. idk. Hope this helps.
Posted By: white17

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/04/21 07:01 PM

Interesting! I have seen that same behavior when they are wanting to cross the river with ice running.

They will try it but then turn back and camp on the bar for a couple days. Then they try again but repeat the process. Eventually it's like a light comes on and they realize that if they don't go NOW they will have to wait until the ice is solid enough to support them. At that point some old cow will plunge in and they all go for it.

I can see climate change altering the dates that the herd moves. That makes sense to me. But I can't imagine that it would have any bearing on crossing a road or not.

That road must look like a hundred other clear gravel places they encounter. I would be willing to guess that it's more odor from diesel or rubber that makes them pause. Maybe it is vibration in the ground from trucks that they can't see ?? They aren't the brightest critter under the sun either.
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/04/21 11:36 PM

There is a group of Natives in NE Alaska that are adamantly against oil drilling in ANWR. Saying the porky herd is at an all time high isn’t helping their cause, Muskrat!!!🤫
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/05/21 06:08 AM

It public knowledge. Any one could look it up on the website I posted

Do you think . successful Caribou populations and development on the North Slope are mutually exclusive?
Posted By: Pete in Frbks

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/05/21 03:00 PM

There is not a caribou on the North Slope that was alive in a time when there was no Dalton Hwy and no pipeline!

It's not "unnatural" to them. It has always been there and a part of the landscape.

W17's theory on the smell of rubber and diesel fumes makes the most sense to me.

Pete
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/05/21 03:37 PM

I also like the theory that the highway was just put at the natural extent of the Porcys western range. And it's also clear that they do cross the road.
Trapperman is the best you ask a question and actually get answers that help. I have a better understanding now.
Posted By: Ryan McLeod

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/06/21 09:01 AM

The caribou won’t cross because they don’t want people making jokes. A chicken crossed the road one time and we all know how that turned out.
Posted By: Pete in Frbks

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/06/21 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan McLeod
The caribou won’t cross because they don’t want people making jokes. A chicken crossed the road one time and we all know how that turned out.



There ya go...... simple explanation!

Pete
Posted By: white17

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/06/21 05:13 PM

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Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/07/21 02:23 AM

Why did the Turkey cross the road? Chicken's day off.
Posted By: Pete in Frbks

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/07/21 04:35 PM

Boy.... you can always tell when there isn't enough snow for trappers to get out and do some legitimate work....!

Pete
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/09/21 08:37 PM

Porcupine caribou really crossed the The Dalton. They are right off there map. There is a forks in the highway there? Any villages west of where they are?

I thought some caribou might come towards Aklavik but sounds like the ones in Yukon are heading back to Alaska. I better get out and get a moose or some dall sheep I suppose. Might even have to get a muskox if it comes to that. Any good sheep or muskox recepies on T-Man. Going to cook moose sweat and sour stir fry for supper tonight.
Posted By: Ryan McLeod

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/09/21 09:16 PM

Anything fried with onions and garlic salt is good.

I was hoping caribou would come back soon but if not then my house might be Santa’s reindeers last stop. I figure ill let Rudolph pass then shoot the rest.
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/09/21 10:21 PM

yeah that dump bear on my trail camera is starting to look fat and juicy.
Posted By: 30/06

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/09/21 10:31 PM

Just got back from a trip to Coldfoot. Only a few tracks east of Prospect Creek, no herds seen. I think the bulk of that mass of Porcupine herd that made it down into that general area have moved northeastward, but I can't say for sure. Talked to a DOT guy from Chandalar Shelf Camp today as well, and he said they aren't seeing many around Antigun Pass anymore.
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/10/21 05:02 AM

Thanks 30-06 them Caribou were way down there for a while. Good they moved north but still along ways from my area.
Posted By: martentrapper

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/10/21 06:24 AM

Next village west of the Dalton is Nuiqsit. Long way to there tho.
Posted By: Oh Snap

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/10/21 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by muskrat411
Thanks 30-06 them Caribou were way down there for a while. Good they moved north but still along ways from my area.


Isn’t the border still closed? Lol
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/10/21 05:11 PM

Illegal aliens them caribou are. No LaMigra in the British Mountains
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/17/21 05:50 PM

Caribou still hanging around the Dalton. https://pcmb.ca/satellite-collars/ anybody seeing them. Any hunting going on. How's the snow condition? Hoping that atmospheric river that dumped all that rain on BC goes through and dumps snow so they move east. Some moving through Ivvavik hope they keep comming.
Posted By: Boco

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/17/21 11:12 PM

If you know where they are why dont you go kill them there
Posted By: AKHowler

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/18/21 03:27 AM

muskrat411.... are these what you are looking for? [Linked Image]
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Those are from a few years ago, quite a few years ago...
Posted By: Boco

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/18/21 03:52 AM

Ian will be licking his lips when he sees those pics howler,lol.
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/18/21 04:49 AM

That's a great idea Boco but look at the map. See what a huge area that is. You could easily fit Southern Ontario or New York in there. Plus there is an international border. And a continental decide. If those Caribou that are in Ivvavik National Park move down to the Ocean people will probably travel to hunt. Not sure if the Beaufort Sea is frozen yet or not thought it's been windy.
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/18/21 04:50 AM

Looks delicious. What month was that September?
Posted By: 30/06

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/18/21 05:02 AM

I saw several small herds(approx 10-20 each) 43-38 miles southeast of Coldfoot on 11/14. I didn't notice any calves, so I'll guess they were mostly bulls. They appeared to be moving northeast. Perhaps stragglers from the numerous herds that were in the area late October.
Posted By: muskrat411

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/18/21 05:16 PM

Thanks 30-06 good to hear what the bulls are doing. We had almost straight cows and calves last winter. The bulls were further south. Where the highways split at the bottom of the map is that the Top of the World Highway? Going to Chicken and 🦅. I been as far as 🐔 but turned back to Dawson from there. Seen a couple bunches of 40 Mile Caribou along the highway.
Posted By: Ryan McLeod

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/18/21 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by AKHowler
muskrat411.... are these what you are looking for? [Linked Image]
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Those are from a few years ago, quite a few years ago...


We would’ve been looking for those until about the first couple days of October depending on weather. Once the rut hits they’re pretty much inedible.
Posted By: AKHowler

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/19/21 06:19 PM

We learned that hunting the rut the hard way one year when we got into 7000 animals during the full rut. We shot six bulls that were not edible, not even sausage spice could cover it up but boy was it fun. [Linked Image]
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If I had to do it again, I'd just take pics and video. What a great time though.
Posted By: 30/06

Re: Dalton Highway Porcupine caribou herd - 11/19/21 06:46 PM

Fall bull caribou are strikingly beautiful. The first spring caribou I shot looked terrible, it's hair was bleached and falling out in clumps. I could have shot several, but while skinning it I decided one was enough. After cutting up and cooking it, I realized it tasted much better than it looked. Definitely lean, but tender with no rutty funk.
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