Best meats for predator bait making?

What are the best meats and fish it mix with bait solution for predators?
AuthorTrapper.

Horse, cat and beaver. In that order.
If I was to use fish It would be crap.

I'd throw rabbit in there with Beav's pics and add gar to the fish side

Beaver and muskrat works good for me. But I have good results with any fresh chunked meat, rabbit, deer, etc.

Don't forget porcupine and deer meat.
As for fish. I have no place for it on my land line.

Beaver or bobcat or deer and I can hardly keep it on the shelves

Same thing LOL


I'm not a big fan of rabbit for bait. It really doesn't have much of a odor.
Now mouse urine soaked mouse nests are ten times better then the actual mouse It's self. And If you cage up a bunch of mice they just keep on giving day after day.

lots to learn here: https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/11/1/Lures,_Baits_and_Urine_Archive

I would have to agree with the Beav on the mouse nest ! In a hole, under a rock with a trench, under the corner of a bale of straw is a killer for sure ! No better natural call lure available!

I did not think it was legal to use big game like deer for bait?

I’m talking about wild mice . They have taken over both of my duck blinds and in the fall they move into my barn.

But back to the OP’s question , I’m not sure after watching Robert Waddells demo this past weekend that I would get in a hurry about adding any bait solutions . If I understood him correctly he is a believer in fresh natural baits !

Depends on the state. Some do allow it and some don't.

I don't know what he said in his demo, but I can tell you by the numerous testimonials I've gotten from trappers using my bait solution, it definitely enhances any red meat bait. I sell hundreds of pints of it, and an awful lot of it to repeat customers.

I know I am, I don't taint or add anything. When it gets real cold I will drop a pea sized glob of Predator Plus or Widowmaker down the hole with the chunked red meat.

I have two gallon sized freezer bags full of wild field mouse nests/bedding from my sheds and barn, plus about 20+ fresh frozen mice. Can't what for November! Be the first time I've used either.

Never tried any bait solution , might give it a try this year. Do you soak the chunk meat in it or just add a small amount to the meat ? -Thanks

I have gone as far as putting a live mouse In a baby food jar. Punched a few holes In the lid put a slice of apple In the jar and placed It In a dirt hole. Did I catch some fox ? I did but the mouse nest Is a lot easier.
I'm beginning to wonder If that live mouse deal might work In pocket set for mink.

Paul I’m not gonna say anyone should stop using bait solution ! You and the others that make the stuff have taken most of the work out of making bait for us amateur bait makers. What Robert said was after winning that trapping contest 4 years in a row he thinks one of the biggest reasons was going with strait meat and no additives amongst all the other competitors. I think he raises a valid point if you have a lot of competition or perhaps if your trying to catch the last coyote in a given situation!

Not saying bait solutions don't work. But aren't you creating a lure when you add the solution to the meat.
I'm of the opinion that lure and baits are a separate thing and used In different applications at the set.

Yepper, it is actually a food based lure, but it's still called a bait.

I could see where using something different than everyone else would be an advantage.

Beav that's exactly what one of the makers told me.
I think he was implying that I use too much.
I do use a lot of bait when I use it, in late season.

As far as sauce or not, I make some of each for myself.
And been known to stretch the solution.

I am currently "farming" mice for bedding. I have an aquarium with grass clippings and 4 wild caught mice. Once the bedding is about a week or two old I will bag it and put in freezer for use in dirt holes and hay sets. I'm think fresh chunk beaver down the hole with a wad of mouse bedding grass stuffed on top.

many years ago my Dad raised and sold feeder mice for pet reptiles - walking through the room with all those mouse cages would bring tears to your eyes - if he was still around raising those mice you can bet I'd be taking all the sticking nest material!!!

I like the mouse nest with a dead mouse underneath!

Horse

What about beef? I have oxtail, neck and other parts that family doesn't eat. Was thinking just use it with solution.

I had good luck with deer and dobbins bait solution. Still using Dobbins but going to try Dunlaps and Jameson's this year. Plus have a friend that saved a bobcat carcass for me to use this year also
J

I have good luck with beaver meat. This year I have trapped a few mice and I am going to grind that up and give it a try.

Hands down.. I have caught more coyotes and fox on deer liver than any other meat bait I have ever used. I chunk it up and mix it with deer hair.

. That’ll work fine.

Try some liver, seriously. Add plain salt to keep it from freezing. Use it it very cold weather. Even you will be able to smell it's unique odor when approaching the set. It envokes a very unique response in predators.

Does it matter if it's deer, beef, or pork liver ? -Thanks

I've used beef liver with Jamison's bait solution and can say every hole gets dug out sometime they will work it weeks after I pull the set or even a month. Maybe it's just the solution....

When coyotes make a kill, the first meat they eat is the internal orgins. Liver,lungs, Kidneys. Then the hind quarters. Same when you put out beaver carcasses..

I’ve used fresh and tainted deer liver in the past and had very good luck with it. I like the idea of adding the hair, just seems like it would enhance the smell !

Pauli am still using your mix !!! I chunked up beaver & Rats for two years.. Made a 2 gallon pail.mixed it in ...let it set for a year..

WOW!!! WORKS WELL!!!

Beaver carcasses get ripped open and the liver/lungs/kidneys gets eaten first. Then they move it and slowly consume the rest. With small game I couldn't tell ya. I suspect its gone in one gulp..

I use Deer Dust. It's the fine stuff that comes off the band saw (like saw dust to wood saw). The deer processors throws Deer Dust in the garbage can.
It's free, I don't have to gut, chop or cube, no grinning, it's ready to use fresh or be mixed with other ingredients, no mess, no waste.
It very fine and I can smear it in dirthole and canine has to work to get every morsel. No hooking with toe nail and pulling bait chunk from dirthole. It's Paste-like. It's FREE from the local Deer Processor.

I stopped the messy, time consuming chopping, slicing, grinning of bait many years ago when I saw a deer processor push deer dust off his band saw table into the garbage can. That's when a light bulb appeared over my head and realized the benefits of Deer Dust.
Our state, it's legal to use deer.

This is good info. Love hearing 1st hand experience. So you've seen this for beaver, and also deer? How bout small prey like rabbit, mice, squirrel, etc, if the whole animal isn't consumed then what is eaten, and what's not? Thanks! [/quote]

Mice are swallowed whole. Bids, rabbits and most other small critters are ate head first. Brains would fall into the same category as liver, heart and organs. Opening up a coyote stomach will tell you a lot of times what there feeding on and stomach content isn't a bad bait either. I opened up one the other day that had 9 whole mice in his stomach.

Would tainted hamburger(beef) work for bait? or would you mix in other stuff to make a paste bait?

Andy: Are you saying that you have opened up a coyote stomach and used the content as bait? [/quote]

Yes. Many times. I highly doubt a coyote ever forgets the smell of regurgitated food. Probably as much a curiosity attractor as it is a bait. Especially on older pups that like to kill or kill for the fun of it.

I used to open up every red fox years ago, one had 25 short tail voles in it's stomach, all whole. Old boy was as fat as a beagle. I used stomach contents alot on early season pups back then. I tried to stabalize the contents, never did figure out how.

There's a lot to learn from studying scat and stomach contents.

Anyone use ground/chunked groundhog?

There is a reason animals eat the liver first...vitamin c. They desperately need it in the winter.

I have access to an almost unlimited supply of sheep carcasses...

Should I be utilizing that for bait?

Mike

I have had good success with sheep carcasses as long as they have not been medicated heavily.

Did I miss if anyone suggested Prairie Dogs?? I am surprised I didn't see dogs on the list!!

Scott

I think they work very well.

Ground squirrel works equally well. Imo as pairie dog.
Neither be my first choice but they work.

Great places to catch Bobcats and Coyotes around Prairie Dog towns!

Scott

andy your the man!! opening up a yotes gut. im inquisitive but I draw the line on that one. I can see your point on the regurgitaded food thought though. There wouldn't be a yote on this planet that hasn't had a good exspirience with that smell! Have you tested your theory on mature dogs? I can see it being devastating to the pup crop.

Me personally id be scared to mess with brains of deer with all the cwd going around!