WI Cable Restraint with shock spring

Just curious if anyone has tried adding an inline shock spring to their Cable Restraints to prevent them from breaking the Break away device? I caught 3 red fox last year and 1 coyote in cable restraints. The coyote popped the 285# Break away and got away before I could get a shot. These were cable restraints I ordered from Newt, they seemed to be good quality. I am not assessing any blame to Newt or his products. It seems to me that an inline shock spring could help reduce the strain on the break away device and possibly prevent a failure. Your thoughts? Has anyone tried this already?

Did the coyote chew out or did the BAD fail?
The only problem with the shock spring Is you are defeating the purpose of the BAD. So when you catch a deer It still may be In your CR.
And for sure you don't want to be placing a shock spring In your cable set up. Maybe right at the staking system but not In line.

The BAD failed, it opened up. The coyote ran from one side of the catch circle to the other side which created enough force to open it up, I watched it happen. I was thinking of adding the inline @ the base by the staking ststem.

Also, it was 1 x 19 cable with a mid length barrel swivel and a swivel by the staking system

So your BAD was a J hook or S hook type. I never liked those I would rather use a crush on BAD. But I've had those fail at times to.
There was a dealer In the past that changed out his cable. It was maybe a red one thinner then the cable he was using. And His crimping tool wasn't set up for the other cable. Needles to say there were a lots of unhappy CR users.

It was the S hook type

Can you shorten up your CR's? If a big coyote gets enough run and it'll hit the end of the cable darn hard. I'd rather use a shorter (maybe 4') CR than add shock springs.

You can't make a 4' CR work. It takes about 40 " to make a 12" loop then we can hang them 12" off the ground. That doesn't leave you enough cable to get to the ground to stake It down. Then If you add a 4' extension your right back to a 7' CR.

But I understand the running start.

Upgrade to the #350 break aways. They are legal here in Wi.

There ya go.

How long were the original CRs? You'll defeat the pourpose of any BAD with a shock spring. All my Crs are 40 inches of 1x19 5/64th or 1/16th for the loop then a barrel inline swivel then extended to 6-8 feet of 3/32nd 7x7. All with BADs . With a longer snare leg caught deer brake out (the intended purpose of the BAD) 100 percent of the time. Iv'e had one BAD fail with coyotes in the last 5 years. Longer is better, yotes run around in circles and deer get out.

I'm aware that 350 lb are legal now they weren't when I bought these CR. However, a 40lb coyote shouldn't be able to break a 285 lb either? Also, if an inline shock spring would defeat the purpose of a BAD would that be a negative result aside from a slight chance of holding a deer? Kinda a legal loophole? But still a non-lethal snare?

I believe 7' is max length for our CRs.

I believe my CR are 60 inches but need to check. Only probably I see with adding more length is a bigger catch circle, which is more of a challenge in regards to entanglement restrictions. Also a larger catch circle chews up a location faster which may only result in 1 catch vs multiple catches. I use 5 feet of chain on traps with the portable pocket system for coyotes and it works great.

For a BAD to have a chance to work you must have a Solid anchor point. The reason the law requires a bad is so in the event a deer or other large game gets caught the BAD straightens and releases the deer Etc. Even with a 7 foot CR a shock spring will negate the BAD from its intent. There a ways to get the coyote away from the location, or just move up or down the trail. I love big circles, so do coyotes. It makes the rest mill around and get nailed..
Before you add shocks I would ask the DNR if it's even legal. I would wager that it isn't. please keep us posted.

Talk to Newt about this, I'm sure he will agree. It's not his fault the BAD failed, he needs to now so he can check his supplier.

Playing devil's advocate here..... Is it illegal to have a shock spring on a cable restraint? Wondering if this tactic might just be a way around losing coyotes in these set ups???

From my understanding of reading the WI regs, there is nothing banning the use of shock springs on CR.

Here is the interesting part about WI regulations. A couple years ago WI allowed the use of foot snares (foot cable restraints). The regs state that foot CR MUST be equipped with an inline shock spring......

Both CR must have a 350 lb or less BAD

Neck CR's in Wi can't be spring activated. I don't know for sure what that means, but maybe WDNR is referring to shock springs.

I think spring activated CRs and CRs with inline shock springs are two different things.

No It's referring to the Collorem (SP) It's a spring activated neck snare.

My take on it is simple even though I have only used CRs for 2 years. If I added a shock spring to my CRs that would add a lot of money to the line for my start up price. I run 10 dozen CRs at a time. If you took the money to buy springs and used it to buy more CRs, you would catch more coyotes to make up for that one that got away. Heck, you might even catch that one again. To me the CR is simple and it works. Yes there are chew outs and break aways but loosing one coyote is worth it to me so that deer can break free and we can continue using them in WI. Again, just my thoughts as a newbie with CRs.

I understand your point about the money investment. However, why risk educating a coyote? I also think that a 50 lb inline spring will still allow a deer to break the BAD. But, I may be wrong on that.

If a person is worried about an educated coyote then a Cable restraint is not what I would recommend. The only thing I have found that really helps is to run 1x19 with a inline swivel. I would also think a spring would Help your chances of holding a deer (especially a young deer) given our entanglement laws and a 350lb bad.

Educating coyotes?

I have personally caught a coyote that had a loop around I's neck. It was a chew out.
I know of at last 3 other trappers that have also done It.

Beav, I think you've seen it all over the years. Lol.