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Posted By: Anonymous

Pipe Dream ? - 10/05/19 08:46 PM

Curiosity, food, or gland lure?
Posted By: Steelflight

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/05/19 08:52 PM

Just by how it it works. I would think curiosity or gland
Posted By: jnsff69

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/05/19 09:21 PM

The way I use it is I put food (bait) in the pipe & then I put gland on the backside of the pipe. Works pretty good for me.
Posted By: Mitch L

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/05/19 09:42 PM

No GLAND! Zagman says during his demo to not use gland lure. All they'll do is pee on it vs. actively tugging/grabbing/moving feet.
Posted By: yukonal

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/05/19 09:58 PM

Food.
Posted By: Wolfdog91

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/05/19 11:21 PM

Depended in how your trying to make the set work, if your just hiding the pipe in a large grass clump or somthing for a flat set ( basically the same way you would if you just smeared some lure inside of said clump. Only the pipe is goin to protect your lure better) then it really dosent matter because . But if your using it where the pipe is exposed you want a food lure or a bait their going to want to EAT.
Posted By: David Morse

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/06/19 12:25 AM

There are bunches of pipe dream sets on you tube. There is a lot more to it than just a pipe. Mark makes a lure called pipe dope and I doubt there is a better lure made for use with his set. I haven't tried any gland lures , I try to build the set just like Mark shows it. It is a killer set and having it in my arsenal was worth every penny I spent to gain the knowledge. Coyote U teaches fur put up and just the skinning tips alone is worth the price of admission.
Posted By: AnthonyT

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/06/19 01:10 AM

I like a bait or lure that would be used with an M-44. I look at the pipe more like a grab and die stick than a dirthole or a poke hole.
Posted By: KJD357

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/06/19 02:43 AM

I have not found a single good YouTube video on the pipe dream. The best thing to do is read the 30+ page original post on here, then reread it after you have made 30-40 sets. There are so many details that people miss... it drives me bonkers. Then they go and make a video and label it “THE PIPE DREAM SET” like they are some kind of expert but it’s actually their first time making the set.

So... no gland lure as stated above, just something that taste good.

Think of this set as a baited and blended flat set that is nearly freeze proof. In all actuality the pipe is nothing, it is a weatherproof lure and bait holder that’s invisible when placed how it’s instructed.
it’s all in the bedding, blending and enlarged kill area from the metal screen pan cover.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/06/19 04:23 AM

Made two pipe dream sets last year to test them. Used gland lure but had no luck. Switched to food or curiosity lure, can't remember which, and had success. Want to use this set a bit more this coming season and from the comments it seems a bait is what to use. Thanks for the replies.
Posted By: illinideer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/06/19 01:20 PM

Bait is what I use mostly. Late season during the cold and snow I will take a q tip with a smear of (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) fire or fatal breath bend it over double and hang it off the lip of the pipe
I make mine just like Zags my trap pan is about 8 inchs straight back no offset. My only real difference is type of trap I'm running #2 bridger dogless and #2 modified duke round jaw with black nylon window screen. One thing I learned with the window screen I was originally putting it on top of the pan and cut to where it fit inside the jaws with the sprinkle of grass clippings on top. The coons would mess with it and pull the screen off. I now cut a notch in the screen put it under the pan then grass clipping over the top. After doing this I started picking up the coon that messed with them.
One more tip that I do if you have the perfect spot but no weed clump for the pipe to be in. I will drive my pipe in the ground then I take my stake drive and make 3 or 4 hole about a inch away from the base of the pipe. Go get some tall weeds double them over and stuff down your stake hole. It kinda like doing a flower arrangement but it works out really well.
Also Mark has detailed instructions on how he makes his pipe set on his web page. I believe there are to write ups on it
Justin
Posted By: KJD357

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/06/19 01:33 PM


One more tip that I do if you have the perfect spot but no weed clump for the pipe to be in. I will drive my pipe in the ground then I take my stake drive and make 3 or 4 hole about a inch away from the base of the pipe. Go get some tall weeds double them over and stuff down your stake hole. It kinda like doing a flower arrangement but it works out really well.[/quote]


That’s a great tip that I’ve never considered. Do you plant that in a cut corn or bean field or try to keep it in a more natural grass type setting?
Posted By: illinideer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/06/19 02:21 PM

More for the grass settings. Ill just make a little mound of bean and corn stubble for the pipe if my set is in the field. But usuall im on the edge in the grass or in the tractor path to the field
Posted By: trappergbus

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/06/19 08:57 PM

If ya want em to pee on it use gland, if ya want em to try and eat it use food/curiosity that tastes good, to them anyway. The way Zag beds the trap works very well in grass with root systems. The pipe provides not only a weather resistant lure vestibule but an awesome focal point that has the smell above ground up in the air currents. Win, win.. And ya can take it a way when you pull.. Heres another trick, if you see where a coyote is leery of the pipe, take it away and just leave the hole and see what happens.
Posted By: Wolfdog91

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/07/19 01:00 AM

Just saying Zagger did a podcast with Clint locklear you can listen to for free and he explains about everything.
Posted By: Golf ball

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/07/19 02:14 AM

I’ve driven the pipe right into the base of a corn stalk with big roots and hid it very well . I’ve also pulled and replanted both corn stalks and grass clumps, they come right out in some of my sandy ground.

p.s. Wayne’s 1080 worked good on the pipe .
Posted By: bobcat_trapper

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/07/19 10:40 AM

I talked to him at the demo. I asked about using it in the woods on logging rds. He said just replace the grass with cut up leaves. Mark said it would work. I remember him saying a food lure.
Posted By: coalbank

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/07/19 12:22 PM

First line, tried the pipe with no backing and had good results. No kidding. Second line, used backings and had good results.

No doubt a food bait set. Used green pipe that blended so well they were hard to find for this color blind trapper.

A sudden early ice storm had the top frozen and put traps out of commission for the night. 6 pipes were nearly chewed shut that night. Give them a bait they want to eat. What does your dog go bananas over? Try it. Betcha it works.
Posted By: bobcat_trapper

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/07/19 01:18 PM

Do ya think the set will on Bobcats as well as it does coyotes? We have alot of Bobcats in northern Arkansas.
Posted By: illinideer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/07/19 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by bobcat_trapper
Do ya think the set will on Bobcats as well as it does coyotes? We have alot of Bobcats in northern Arkansas.


Yes I caught 4 of my 5 bobcats in pipe dream last year
J
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Posted By: Bear Tracker

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/07/19 06:39 PM

Tell me again what type of PVC pipe do you buy for these sets?
Thanks
Posted By: MuddyMike

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/07/19 06:45 PM

that's a dang nice bobcat. I haven't seen one look that nice in the northern part of the state. more brownish with less spots.

im gonna try a few of these sets this season.
Posted By: illinideer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/07/19 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
Tell me again what type of PVC pipe do you buy for these sets?
Thanks

I use 1 inch. Id grey pvc used for elec conduit
J
Posted By: Grandpa Trapper

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/07/19 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by bobcat_trapper
I talked to him at the demo. I asked about using it in the woods on logging rds. He said just replace the grass with cut up leaves. Mark said it would work. I remember him saying a food lure.
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Mark also told me to use a food lure or bait.
Posted By: bobcat_trapper

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/08/19 12:05 AM

That's cool. Nice cat. Did u use gland lure or a food lure on cats?
Posted By: illinideer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/08/19 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by bobcat_trapper
That's cool. Nice cat. Did u use gland lure or a food lure on cats?

It was food not sure which one for that set. It was deer based with either dunlap bait solution or jamesons.
J
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/08/19 01:07 AM

Illinideer going to have to give it a try on cats to see how it works. Just have to figure out how to drive plastic pipe into rock. Lol.
Do trap a lot of pasture and will make more than two sets this season. Since the rainy season always seems to start the day I set traps and stops the day I pull them, this wet weather set should shine.
Posted By: illinideer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/08/19 01:33 AM

Zags bedding style realy shines in wet weather. I had a compass set that didnt connect for about 20 -25 days. It was on a corner between me and my friends pasture. We had rain snow freeze thaw and repeat. I would hit it with fox pee after a hard rain ended upwith a nice female coyote. For some reason this spot is only good for one coyote. Going try some sabertooth drags with pipe sets this year to see if i can keep from spoiling a good location
Justin
Posted By: Zagman

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/08/19 12:40 PM

Just saw this.....

Yes, put something in the pipe they like the taste of and want MORE of..........this is NOT a "scent post" set......its an "above ground" dirt hole! You want them there for 7 minutes, NOT 7 seconds and gone.

I caught six bobcats in one day with pipes........all released since no tags.

I have seen this Pipe Dream videos on You Tube.....NONE of them are the way I do it, but at least SOME of them give me credit for it! I had a Coyote U class this weekend and we watched some of the videos during a break in the action!

I WILL be making a video for my website and YouTube to show how I do it.....and it will be done on real-trap conditions and will be done professionally............Stay Tuned.

Till then, read the original articles on my website www.coyoteu.com and certainly read the million-hit thread located somewhere on this site.....as MOST EVERY question that could be asked and has been answered (often more than once) on that post!

Try it...you will like it!

Last year, some very VERY good trappers I know tried it in earnest for the first time, and it saved their season. They finally saw the weather I battle annually that forced me to come up with a solution if I wanted to land trap in the fall in Central New York...................and they will never go back!

Zagman
Posted By: Golf ball

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/09/19 07:01 PM

Mark do you sell the paste bait that you call pipe dope , couldn’t find anything on your site .
Posted By: Zagman

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/09/19 09:07 PM

I do and I don't.....I USED to only sell to students....then I had enough to take to some conventions. Not really interested in shipping it around......but could be talked into it I'd reckon.....

MZ
Posted By: ebsurveyor

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/09/19 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by bobcat_trapper
I talked to him at the demo. I asked about using it in the woods on logging rds. He said just replace the grass with cut up leaves. Mark said it would work. I remember him saying a food lure.


Grass works in the woods:


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A few days later

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Posted By: Hawks

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/11/19 12:39 AM

Butch nice catch!
I did well with pipe sets last year while playing in the mud. Worked well in the rain. When all the dirt holes filled with water, the pipe sets were working. Finally toward the end that's all my remakes were.
Posted By: bobcat_trapper

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/24/19 01:17 AM

I cant wait until season November 9th. I want to try this set. I was given some horse meat bait from a another member. I dont think it would help cut any leaves up in head of time do ya?
Posted By: TomInVT

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/24/19 02:52 AM

Some great tips in this thread!
Posted By: strike2x

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/24/19 11:13 PM

I prebaited pipes, collected and cut up grass, cut a bunch of screen covers up and made a nice orderly system to carry everything. I can knock out a complete set in less time than it took me to write this. Well close anyhow...
Posted By: bobcat_trapper

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/25/19 12:01 AM

I have everything but screen covers cut.
Posted By: Furvor

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/25/19 02:31 AM

bobcat_trapper, what part of Arkansas are you in? I grew up in eastern Arkansas (Monroe county, beside the White River). Richard "Dick" Mondy.
Posted By: bobcat_trapper

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/25/19 12:12 PM

What brand bait have ya had the best luck with in pipe? I got some horse meat bait never used any. That's what I am trying first thing in them.
Posted By: illinideer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/25/19 04:53 PM

I use deer meat with bait solution last year it was dunlap and jameson the year before dobbins. This year I'm trying dunlaps winter bait solution. As for commercial bait Mark Junes widow maker, rusty johnsons lucky and Jeff Dunlap soultaker
Justin
Posted By: ambush32

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/26/19 05:14 AM

I'm going to try boiled eggs in a couple...just for fun...
Posted By: Mac

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/26/19 06:04 PM

If you live in the East and do not use Mark Zagger's method you are working too hard. If you want to see the entire system, go to his coyote U. I am pretty careful where I spend money. That was money well spent.
Mac
Posted By: huntmd94

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/28/19 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mac
If you live in the East and do not use Mark Zagger's method you are working too hard. If you want to see the entire system, go to his coyote U. I am pretty careful where I spend money. That was money well spent.
Mac

I second that. There is more to the system than just the pipe. Definitely worth the time and money.
Posted By: Teacher

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/28/19 02:28 PM

Due to very wet weather I’ve done 90% pipe dream sets so far this year. NEVER caught anything with them in the past but thought there was no way I was going to get traps in the ground if I didn’t try it again.

Due to extreme mud and more rain coming, I put in 4 pipe dream sets. We got 2 inches of rain. First catch—a yoy red fox. Mud ball but still caught. Over the next three days I had a pull out (probably coyote by size of catch circle) and two more reds.

The season is early and I expect this set will shine.

Update

Two weeks later I have the cold to end all colds. Pulled my sets when we were facing snow and I knew I was going to really be sick. In those pipe dreams, I caught reds, big boar coon, skunks, and some fantastic coyotes. More than half the sets were lured with gland lures. The others with bait. It didn’t make any difference. The pipes were chewed and all but two catches were deeply in the traps. I’ve never experienced anything like it.
Posted By: Posco

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/28/19 04:53 PM

I've found this little spade works great for the set. It's easy to dig a hole just the right size both for depth to bury the chain and stake and for the trap footprint. I'll be doing a lot of these sets. [Linked Image]
Posted By: Lance Squires

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/28/19 07:18 PM

I haven't trapped canines very much for the last 10 years or more but had time this year since I'm semi-retired. I put out 12 sets the first day and had 2 coyotes the next day. The sets were made 50/50 pipe dream and standard dirt holes. I added 12 more sets and kept the same 50/50 ratio. I ended up with 6 coyotes in 5 checks and pulled them yesterday. 4 of the 6 came from the pipe dream sets. I used only food lure in the pipe. I had never made this set but had to try it after reading the 40 pages in the archives. I didn't have time to practice so had to learn in the field. I made a few mistakes at first but soon discovered the bedding is way more secure than I've ever had in the past and I started doing it on all my sets. Very solid. I highly recommend you all learn how to make this set. Thanks Mr. Zagger for bringing this to all trappers.
Posted By: Flipper 56

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/28/19 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Lance Squires
Thanks Mr. Zagger for bringing this to all trappers.


X2
grin
Posted By: strike2x

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 12:47 AM

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Works like a charm. This set was out 10 days with most being rainy, windy and cold. Never touched it since it was made.
Posted By: Zagman

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 09:44 AM

Set it and forget it!

That's what I always say......

I have an editor/producer ride and film with me yesterday and there now WILL be a Pipe Dream Set video for viewing showing the way I/me/MZ makes the set. If you go to YouTube there are several on there showing it, and while most give me credit for the set, all of them don't quite do it the way I do......doesn't mean it won't work their way, but most are just about the pipe and NOT about all the other thing I/me/MZ does to make it what I need, rely on, and ultimately call the Pipe Dream Set.

Oh, the video will be posted here, YouTube and my website and it will be free for the viewing public!

MZ
Posted By: pcr2

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 10:59 AM

thats awesome Mr.Zagger-can't wait.
Posted By: Flipper 56

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Zagman
Set it and forget it!

That's what I always say......

I have an editor/producer ride and film with me yesterday and there now WILL be a Pipe Dream Set video for viewing showing the way I/me/MZ makes the set. If you go to YouTube there are several on there showing it, and while most give me credit for the set, all of them don't quite do it the way I do......doesn't mean it won't work their way, but most are just about the pipe and NOT about all the other thing I/me/MZ does to make it what I need, rely on, and ultimately call the Pipe Dream Set.

Oh, the video will be posted here, YouTube and my website and it will be free for the viewing public!

MZ


Thank you Sir!!
Posted By: 080808

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 01:43 PM

Zag
Have you ever used BTO in your pipes? If I shouldn’t ask this question get Hillary to put a hit on me.
Posted By: Archeryguy

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 04:46 PM

Mark, what color is your screen? Does it matter if its the silver window screen?
Posted By: RGW

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 05:52 PM

Anyone use this set for foxes? How would you adjust this set back distance from the pipe for the smaller animal? Don't have many coyotes in my area yet and there have only been four killed or trapped in the past six years or so.
Posted By: Zagman

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by 080808
Zag
Have you ever used BTO in your pipes? If I shouldn’t ask this question get Hillary to put a hit on me.


Bachman Turner Overdrive?
Posted By: Zagman

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by RGW
Anyone use this set for foxes? How would you adjust this set back distance from the pipe for the smaller animal? Don't have many coyotes in my area yet and there have only been four killed or trapped in the past six years or so.


I know a guy that caught over 300 reds last year on pipes.......and yes, I'd say you probably would be a little closer to the pipe if no coyotes.

Screen color? I like black.....because I put such little cover on the screen.....and some of the black shows through but blends in better, I think, than silver. That said.....if that's all you have use it!

MZ
Posted By: Matt28

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Zagman
Originally Posted by 080808
Zag
Have you ever used BTO in your pipes? If I shouldn’t ask this question get Hillary to put a hit on me.


Bachman Turner Overdrive?

Beaver tail oil
Posted By: minklessinpa

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 10:19 PM

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preseason pipe bith bacon grease in it
Posted By: Flipper 56

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/29/19 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Zagman
Originally Posted by 080808
Zag
Have you ever used BTO in your pipes? If I shouldn’t ask this question get Hillary to put a hit on me.


Bachman Turner Overdrive?


grin
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/30/19 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Zagman
Set it and forget it!

That's what I always say......

I have an editor/producer ride and film with me yesterday and there now WILL be a Pipe Dream Set video for viewing showing the way I/me/MZ makes the set. If you go to YouTube there are several on there showing it, and while most give me credit for the set, all of them don't quite do it the way I do......doesn't mean it won't work their way, but most are just about the pipe and NOT about all the other thing I/me/MZ does to make it what I need, rely on, and ultimately call the Pipe Dream Set.

Oh, the video will be posted here, YouTube and my website and it will be free for the viewing public!

MZ

Look forward to that.
Posted By: Zagman

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/30/19 12:41 AM

Ah! Man, never tried it.....but if canids LIKE the way it tastes and want more, then heck to the yes...........

MZ
Posted By: Matt28

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/30/19 01:28 AM

What do you put in the pipe mark?
Posted By: Zagman

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/30/19 02:01 AM

Any bait or lure that the animal likes the flavor and wants more and lingers at the pipe...biting licking pulling......

Marty Smith/Keg Creek makes some stuff I really like: Nelson bait, 111 Decoy, SS........

Rusty Johnson: Lucky and 138

Mark Zagger: Pipe Dope (I don't sell it or ship it...just for students and conventions.......but RELAX as its NOT the silver bullet you seek!)

Russ Carman's Circle Maker and Circle Maker Magnum

If you have a lure maker you like and trust, talk to him/her and ask them what they make that fits the category of the first sentence I typed above.........

MZ
Posted By: Matt28

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/30/19 10:46 AM

Thanks, I bet I can find something to poke in there and try.
Posted By: RGW

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 10/30/19 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Zagman
Originally Posted by RGW
Anyone use this set for foxes? How would you adjust this set back distance from the pipe for the smaller animal? Don't have many coyotes in my area yet and there have only been four killed or trapped in the past six years or so.


I know a guy that caught over 300 reds last year on pipes.......and yes, I'd say you probably would be a little closer to the pipe if no coyotes.

Screen color? I like black.....because I put such little cover on the screen.....and some of the black shows through but blends in better, I think, than silver. That said.....if that's all you have use it!

MZ


Thanks Zagman. A lot of rain her usually so this should help some with that.
Posted By: strike2x

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/01/19 08:43 PM

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Another pipe dream victim. This girl was out in the snow last night and found a pipe dream set I made 15 days ago. The weather has been wet and nasty. I had not touched this set at all from day one. We got a little snow overnight like a lot of you did.
Posted By: Teacher

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/02/19 06:33 AM

I made 4 pipe dream sets 10-days ago on some grassy waterways where I’ve taken coyotes in the past. I’m using John Graham lures designed for the old M-44 grab and pull set up. Two were MB550s with grey aluminum screen and two were Montana #3 with black screen I got from Marty Smith-Keg Creek Lures. In a couple nights I took 3 reds and had one pull out.

With smaller (bamboo) pipes I’ve seem where the tops have been extremely chewed. Grey conduit holds up better. I’m using bait with the conduits and have taken coyotes and coon with it.

We had 2-inches of rain just before I set. And 1/2 inch after I set. I’m not a fan of bringing in dry dirt but bringing a small bag of dry grass is easy. This set (finally) connected for me and I’ll use it heavily in the future too
Posted By: illinideer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/02/19 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by strike2x
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Another pipe dream victim. This girl was out in the snow last night and found a pipe dream set I made 15 days ago. The weather has been wet and nasty. I had not touched this set at all from day one. We got a little snow overnight like a lot of you did.

You gotta love Marks bedding system. I had one that set in for about the same time as you rain snow freeze thaw repeat that connected. I even bed some of my 1 1/2 dukes for coon this way using my 3 inch auger for the hole. Goes real quick
J
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/02/19 12:25 PM

Zagman is a thinker and that's why he nails coyote after coyote on their terms where they choose to live. He can catch them in his home state, your home state or my home state. Why? Because he understands the doggies, what they want, and when they want it. I've used the pipe dream set and it's fun. Real fun sometimes when the traditional sets are blown over with snow and a yote is dancing in a circle of mud, and ice with a piece of pipe nearby!

I just got a call asking me to come a try to catch a coyote on a fenced ranch here NW of Houston that's killed > $100,000 of exotics in the last two years. 7 trappers have come and tried "everything" they told me. Everything. It's a male they tell me. Nobody can trap, snare, shoot, call, dog chase "him" they tell me. For two years they've tried all they can do, and still about once a week, they find a dead or injured critter that Mr. Coyote has worked over hard.

Now it'll be my turn come mid-November.
I gave them a hefty daily fee I charge. They gulped and said "OK, we just need you to catch this thing!!"
I think I'll bring some piping and a bit of Widowmaker paste bait.

Zag, wish me luck on this dog pressured for two years by government and private trappers, helicopters, dog guys, and night vision callers! Go pipe dream go.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/02/19 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mark June
Zagman is a thinker and that's why he nails coyote after coyote on their terms where they choose to live. He can catch them in his home state, your home state or my home state. Why? Because he understands the doggies, what they want, and when they want it. I've used the pipe dream set and it's fun. Real fun sometimes when the traditional sets are blown over with snow and a yote is dancing in a circle of mud, and ice with a piece of pipe nearby!

I just got a call asking me to come a try to catch a coyote on a fenced ranch here NW of Houston that's killed > $100,000 of exotics in the last two years. 7 trappers have come and tried "everything" they told me. Everything. It's a male they tell me. Nobody can trap, snare, shoot, call, dog chase "him" they tell me. For two years they've tried all they can do, and still about once a week, they find a dead or injured critter that Mr. Coyote has worked over hard.

Now it'll be my turn come mid-November.
I gave them a hefty daily fee I charge. They gulped and said "OK, we just need you to catch this thing!!"
I think I'll bring some piping and a bit of Widowmaker paste bait.
I'd use Johnson's Lucky but the ground rats here are too hard on their cousin (it's made with fresh beaver meat) and find it in 10 seconds.

Zag, wish me luck on this dog pressured for two years by government and private trappers, helicopters, dog guys, and night vision callers! Go pipe dream go.

Keep us filled in on the challenge. Successful or not, it should make for some interesting reading.
Posted By: Owen156

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/02/19 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mark June
Zagman is a thinker and that's why he nails coyote after coyote on their terms where they choose to live. He can catch them in his home state, your home state or my home state. Why? Because he understands the doggies, what they want, and when they want it. I've used the pipe dream set and it's fun. Real fun sometimes when the traditional sets are blown over with snow and a yote is dancing in a circle of mud, and ice with a piece of pipe nearby!

I just got a call asking me to come a try to catch a coyote on a fenced ranch here NW of Houston that's killed > $100,000 of exotics in the last two years. 7 trappers have come and tried "everything" they told me. Everything. It's a male they tell me. Nobody can trap, snare, shoot, call, dog chase "him" they tell me. For two years they've tried all they can do, and still about once a week, they find a dead or injured critter that Mr. Coyote has worked over hard.

Now it'll be my turn come mid-November.
I gave them a hefty daily fee I charge. They gulped and said "OK, we just need you to catch this thing!!"
I think I'll bring some piping and a bit of Widowmaker paste bait.
I'd use Johnson's Lucky but the ground rats here are too hard on their cousin (it's made with fresh beaver meat) and find it in 10 seconds.

Zag, wish me luck on this dog pressured for two years by government and private trappers, helicopters, dog guys, and night vision callers! Go pipe dream go.


That will be quite a challenge. That dog has a masters degree in survival, please let us know how it goes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/03/19 12:33 AM

I will indeed. And if Zagman's pipe dream does the deal rather than another set... I'll skin his coyotes for a year!
Not.
Posted By: Owen156

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/03/19 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mark June
I will indeed. And if Zagman's pipe dream does the deal rather than another set... I'll skin his coyotes for a year!
Not.

I would love to do a ride along on that trap line!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/27/19 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Owen156
Originally Posted by Mark June
Zagman is a thinker and that's why he nails coyote after coyote on their terms where they choose to live. He can catch them in his home state, your home state or my home state. Why? Because he understands the doggies, what they want, and when they want it. I've used the pipe dream set and it's fun. Real fun sometimes when the traditional sets are blown over with snow and a yote is dancing in a circle of mud, and ice with a piece of pipe nearby!

I just got a call asking me to come a try to catch a coyote on a fenced ranch here NW of Houston that's killed > $100,000 of exotics in the last two years. 7 trappers have come and tried "everything" they told me. Everything. It's a male they tell me. Nobody can trap, snare, shoot, call, dog chase "him" they tell me. For two years they've tried all they can do, and still about once a week, they find a dead or injured critter that Mr. Coyote has worked over hard.

Now it'll be my turn come mid-November.
I gave them a hefty daily fee I charge. They gulped and said "OK, we just need you to catch this thing!!"
I think I'll bring some piping and a bit of Widowmaker paste bait.
I'd use Johnson's Lucky but the ground rats here are too hard on their cousin (it's made with fresh beaver meat) and find it in 10 seconds.

Zag, wish me luck on this dog pressured for two years by government and private trappers, helicopters, dog guys, and night vision callers! Go pipe dream go.


That will be quite a challenge. That dog has a masters degree in survival, please let us know how it goes.


Well, day 7 has lapsed and only two bobcats for the week thus far. Mr. Coyote is proving to be a Boone & Crockett. He's not moving much at all so far, here inside the 600 or so high fenced acres. Between myself and the hired hand, we've only cut a couple tracks twice. Ouch. No turds either as the buzzards eat them and the dung beetles are still out in force. But I'm a patient trapper and an optimist! I did learn trapper #7 has been coming out every two weeks for some months, setting traps and then the hired man checks them. The trapper resets each time he comes. Currently there are numerous traps laying snapped and visible here and there on the ranch.

I set a few more set today, real sneaky like, and we'll see what tomorrow brings.
So far, Zagman still has to skin his own yotes.

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Posted By: DarkNight

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/27/19 03:55 AM

So with the pipe dream bedding system is there any dirt under the jaws at all?
Posted By: illinideer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/27/19 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by DarkNight
So with the pipe dream bedding system is there any dirt under the jaws at all?


Just on the very edges to support the jaws and levers you will have the big hole under the middle of the trap . I use #2 duke and dogless bridgers I dig a hole about 5x5x5 then take my hammer and tap down the edges for the jaws and lever so the trap will be just a little below ground level. If there is any wobble I'll tap around the outside edge to pinch the dirt in just a little on the trap.
Go to Zags Coyote U site he has his write up on the pipe dream that will explain way better then me
J
Posted By: DarkNight

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 11/27/19 11:46 PM

Thx!
Posted By: jnsff69

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/09/19 02:55 AM

Has anybody tried different color pipe? Blue orange red white grey?
Posted By: Machias

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/09/19 03:20 AM

I tried some folded over aluminium screen today. Used a cutout of 1/2 inch plywood to form it. Not happy at all. I got to get the screen figured out. Was not sitting well at all on my MB 650.
Posted By: mike mason

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/09/19 11:12 AM

Blue pipe works the best.
Posted By: KJD357

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/09/19 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by jnsff69
Has anybody tried different color pipe? Blue orange red white grey?


The pipe is an invisible weatherproof bait holder. If you’re making the set as instructed, pound the pipe into a clump of grass till only a couple inches are out of the ground. Should be virtually invisible unless you’re standing right on top of it
Posted By: KJD357

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/09/19 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Machias
I tried some folded over aluminium screen today. Used a cutout of 1/2 inch plywood to form it. Not happy at all. I got to get the screen figured out. Was not sitting well at all on my MB 650.


I’ve only used the heavy duty black screen so I can’t speak for the aluminum stuff, I fold mine in half like I’m going to make a paper airplane but don’t crease it flat, just a slight pre bend so that the screen is hitting on the middle of the pan and slightly up on the edges of the pan. Then all 4 corners are tucked under the jaws. I cut a 4”x4” hole in the ground then pound out some ledges for the jaws to rest on, and pound two spots for the levers. Then I set my trap beyond the night latch, and put my fingers under the pan to keep it from firing, and beat on the jaw posts, the levers and the jaws to bed it into the ground. I raise the loose jaw, set the pan to the night latch, slide my pre bent screen into place, lower the loose jaw and beat all the earth around the outside of the jaws to lock it all in.

Zagger could probably give a way better explanation, but that’s the best advice I can give.
Posted By: Machias

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/09/19 10:40 PM

Thanks! Where do you buy your black screen? The only black screen at Home Depot was really flimsy.
Posted By: beezmador

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/09/19 11:50 PM

I bought my screen from Keg Creek, perfect stiffness
Posted By: KJD357

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/10/19 01:50 AM

No BS, O’Gorman, Keg Creek all sell it. I know I bought 5 dozen from Kendal at the Iowa convention for something like $40 this past summer. Not sure about prices from the other guys
Posted By: Machias

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/10/19 02:30 AM

Thanks guys!!
Posted By: Larry Baer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/10/19 07:54 PM

Try this. Norm Mullins showed me this and it works great to keep the grass flat. Cut your wire to fit inside our jaws. Cut two slits in the wire and slip it onto the pan. Lays flat. Looks like this.

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Posted By: Machias

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/10/19 09:06 PM

I gotcha, so you are sliding the pan through the two slits. That's pretty slick, thanks, I'll give it a try tonight. Thanks
Posted By: strike2x

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/10/19 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Larry Baer
Try this. Norm Mullins showed me this and it works great to keep the grass flat. Cut your wire to fit inside our jaws. Cut two slits in the wire and slip it onto the pan. Lays flat. Looks like this.

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Pretty slick, might save some foul language when the screen moves around when covering.
Posted By: btomlin

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/11/19 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Larry Baer
Try this. Norm Mullins showed me this and it works great to keep the grass flat. Cut your wire to fit inside our jaws. Cut two slits in the wire and slip it onto the pan. Lays flat. Looks like this.

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I heard about this before and I started doing this to take the "bubble" out this year. Way, way better!!! I hadn't see a picture, but that is exactly how mine look over the pan. I still cut mine long enough to fit under both jaws I guess.
Posted By: Larry Baer

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/12/19 08:03 PM

It still slides around some - it won't work on some traps with dogs unless you cut a ''V'' for the pan post under the pan.
Posted By: PARick

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/13/19 03:59 AM

I do a variation of this bedding style when I blind set heavy coon trails. I have never tried a screen in any set so forgive me I am a wax paper user. When setting for coons I dig a small bed and pound in my 1.5 coil or number 11 trap and cover with grass and do some guiding.
So what’s the purpose of the screen if your just using grass? keeping the grass from sagging? Increased pan area?
Posted By: strike2x

Re: Pipe Dream ? - 12/13/19 11:02 AM

Let water pass through to help prevent freeze up. Wax paper will we water in grass and it can foul the trap.
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