Duke 650s?

I seen one looks just like the 550s. Has anyone else seen them? They will be out in March.

Where did you see this?

There have been threads.

U tube I think he was setting one. Trapper J outdoors.

Any price have u heard?

I believe the jaw spread will make them illegal for land sets in Arkansas.

here is the youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhgTD4mMVnc

For a dog on trap I think it's going to be a home run myself

That trap imo is going to fit with a deep snow hassle free set up priced right trap.

Doesn't Arkansas have a 6" max inside spread. You may be right on the Duke. I wan't to say I read 6 1/4" but maybe I was wrong. I saw the advertisement.

Agree ...grand slam home run !

6 7/8 outside jaw spread

What's the deal with their apparent attempted copying of the MB's

It's no big deal There Isn't a patent on the MB.

Ok. Was just curious.

Does anyone know the exact inside dimensions from post to post ? Can't be over 6 1/2" inside jaw to jaw or post to post in Indiana. Really hoping it isn't over that, these will make a excellent out of the box coyote trap.

6 and 1/8” inside

Here is another video that shows some of the measurements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zosj4VkxqQk

He is showing almost 6.75",post to post.

Here's the email I just got from Bill. Looks like a no go for land trapping in Indiana, can't be over 6 1/2" inside jaw to jaw or post to post. bummer.

I needed to get accurate measurements for you this morning.
Jaw Post to Jaw Post inside 7-1/2"
6-3/4" outside jaw spread
6-1/8" inside jaw spread

Every state is different with jaw spread regulations and how to measure.

Bill Duke

Any idea how many states this trap will be legal vs illegal in? With the cast jaw can it be inside laminated easily?

It's legal here same inside jaw spread as a bridger 3.
I like having options and a round jaw traps.

They dropped the ball on this one. You would think they would want it legal in as many states as reasonably possible. Just that 1/8 on the inside spread is knocking them out of several states.

My hope is they release a "600" in the next few years that falls between the 550 and 650., say the size of the duke #3 . I ask Bill for this in an email, if enough guy ask for it, we might see it. And I was ready to drop coin on a dozen 650's , but the state of Indiana knows best.

For sure, Pa legal is 6 1/2 inch outsize.

Alabama 6" inside spread.

Been asking for two years now.

I like the jawspread on this current 650 but realize it won't work for a lot of States.They do have the 550 size.Maybe they think they have it covered?You fellows for whom the 650 won't meet your restrictions,will the 550 not work for you?.

I wonder if they'll come out w/ a 750 next

From the Duke website


Pro Series 650 OS

Model: 0650
Jaw Spread: 6.75”
Target: Coyote

Available from April 1

You can take a 1/16 th lamination put them one each side and get them to the 6 inch inside measurement. I know a guy that runs # 4 s in Alabama. Their laminated Monster traps.

All our regs say are 5.75” jaw to jaw. Don’t know if that’s outside or inside. I guessed out side and went with 550’s to be safe.

Any idea on prices yet?

I think it is a little early for that.

Taximan. I know and work with some of the people that know Casey Shoopman. The guy on the Management Advantage youtube clip that First shows the Duke 650. THEY have said = Casey told them on FaceBook = 190 a dozen . DONT know if thats true or false. I dont have face book. Just a number i have heard 190 a dz

Looks like they will be about $18.95 each:

https://www.murrayslures.com/duke-animal-traps-s/139.htm

or $189.00 for a dozen:
https://www.murrayslures.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MT389

Thank you fellas.

Thanks guys.I stand corrected.

I talked to Bill today It sounds like the retail price will be about $185.00 per doz.

He also said this on the 650 size thing. It's hard to keep everyone happy.

The 750 Is in the design stages and maybe 2 years out. If I remember right there will be a offset jaw option.

Good deal. I hope they do a bunch or research on the holding power of beaver and otter if the Duke 750 is of the same design as their 550 and 650 with wide smooth jaws. A toothed option could be awesome! Many states allow toothed traps for beaver under water. They are legal here in Iowa.

I don't think your going to see a toothed version of the 750. But hopefully they will lose the wide faced cast jaws on some models so they can be used on beaver and otter.
ADC give Bill a holler he will listen to what you have to say. That goes for any one, Input Is what's needed Bill Isn't a trapper.

Why aren’t cast jaws good for beaver/otter ?

A regular square edged jaw will hold better then a wide smooth faced jaw.
Take the edge of a ruler and hold It against your finger and put some pressure on It and try to pull your finger away from the rulers edge. Know lay the ruler flat and repeat the process.

X2 beav. The wide smooth jaws are for the animals comfort and to solve PC issues IMO but decrease holding ability especially on critters with narrow tapered feet like beavers and coons.

Beav next time to talk to Bill as him about the toothed trap if they are that style of trap (upsized Duke 650). It seems all they would need is different mold to shape to make the different jaw design. I honestly feel it would be a very popular style option. Maybe even just offer the jaws as replacements??? You got more pull than a lowly bloke like myself.

You know how the teeth work on a trap like #14 jump, it makes a below average #4 jump trap, into a serious beaver trap.

Next time I talk to Bill I'll make mention of the tooth thing.

Agree with beav and adc on this a wide smooth will lessen hold power .
While lams will not necessarily will not lessen a AS MUCH . Because you are stacking and have gaps to help grab better. More is need to do the same by more you add ,,more spring is required imo .

By just adding bumps on jaw surface you would gain a bunch imo

That's a good point red mt. The actual teeth on most traps are very blunt.

That is a good looking trap. I wish they would make an inside laminated steel jaw version that would meet our 5.75 inside limit in Georgia. Or better yet I wish Georgia would change the law.

Yeah doubt that will happen. The reasoning I heard is because of our high deer population.
Guess for beaver we only have the snare or coni option.

Not really.I do agree with Red,though.

Well my 114s have blunt teeth and my New house 4 1/2 wolf has blunt teeth and my 14 jumps have fairly blunt teeth.

Make sure you explain that to Bill too, since he is not a trapper. The teeth are not suppose to be sharp they aren't so much for biting in as stopping the foot sliding in the jaws. They may cause a bruise but shouldn't puncture the skin. .... also, tell him to name them Duke ADC-750 Pro Traps. People will think they are a professional Animal Damage Control trap, but we'll know they are named after me (Awfully Darn Cute) for coming up with the idea.

^^^^LOL^^^^^

Chris

Wait, wait, wait... Make that "Duke ADC-750 Pro-Beav" ... see what I did there!

Thanks ADC I think I have a better chance. LOL I'll call Bill tomorrow.

But all kidding aside If you have comments to make on trap design don't be afraid to call.

When did they make a Newhouse 4 1/2 with teeth?

ADC is spot on imo all the blunt teeth do is hold foot in one spot.
And if you think about if you put swivel on one side of the base or other once the foot gets to the opposite side foot is done moving also.
Hard to push a soft rope up hill .

The idea of a toothed trap being produced and marketed today....meaning on sporting goods store shelves, on public display, etc.....concerns me a little. While the explanations on this thread make complete sense to a trapper, the general public is a different matter.

It seems like every time legal issues or reg suggestions arise, in any state, ultimately it is the trapper who gives and concedes a little each time. Often the Hollywood stereotype of a trap is that of one with teeth, with those being often oversized and inflicting pain. Obviously, we as trappers see this as incorrect. But the oblivious public does not.

Trapper image takes enough hits. I can how new, shiny toothed traps would just draw attention to another regulation change. Using a decent trap like an MB750, I really see no need for teeth or bumps or anything else. I'm grateful for the ability to use them as is.

I really don't want a snotty reply to this either, I am just stating my opinion as a trapper in a great beaver state.

Thanks guys, makes sense to me !

I would disagree with the wide smooth jaw not holding better than a regular square edged jaw. The spring power and the lever lock up is still the same except it is transferring the pressure over a wider surface area. It does allow more comfort but I would think it also adds to more surface area to hold onto.

Well a square edge bits In and will hold better then a wide smooth edge. Do the ruler thing and get back to me.

I talked to Mr. Bill and he said there won't be any toothed traps made by the Duke Co. And the 750 Is just In the planning stages.

Dang.

Guess I'll just have to use the ones they already make ...




It'll be interesting to see what they come up with, I'm surprised they have waited this long to make a #5 sized coilspring trap for beaver.

I did mention something about the name that will be used on the 750. But that's all I'm saying. LOL

I bet you just cut me right out didn't ya? LOL

I did mention the ADC title. So no I didn't exclude you. LOl But I did push a bit harder for the Pro Beav title.

He did have a name for the 650 but I think It would get this thread axed. LOL