First double foot catch

Checking the line this morning I got my first double front foot Yote on a NoBS K9 jr. Weird thing is that both feet were toe catches. I'm trying to figure out how this happened. The pan tension was 3.75 lbs. The trap only had about 1/8th inch of dirt over it so it wasn't bedded too deep. Any Ideas?

Video here: https://youtu.be/cOtQj_SO0Fs

I’ve always assumed most double front foot catches start with one foot within the jaws but not compressing the pan. Then they shift the second foot and place it next to the first, stepping on the pan. I suppose it would take a number of specific things to happen to only catch toes on both.

Don't overthink it...

It’s caught. Reset and catch another. Since you are pondering...ever caught a possum by his tail? If you figure yours out you can concentrate on mine.

For sure, it's caught that is all that matters. Just trying to rationalize why, you figure 2 feet he must have been committed. No I've never caught a possum by it's tail, that's mind boggling.

What kind of set? Was the trap offset or dead center? The only actual response to your question seems reasonable enough.

it was a dirt hole set, backstop was a rock about the size of a football, trap was placed 9 inches in front of the hole and about 1.5 inches to the left of the hole. I get why double foot catches happen, just wondering why they were TOE catches. You figure if both feet are down, he's very committed to the set. I've never had toe catches before this one.

If you have ever watched a fox hunting mice in the snow, you see how they pounce on their target. I can't prove it but believe it may have pounced on your set but landed both feet on one of the jaws and set off the trap. Had it been centered more on the pan then you would have had a pad catch vs. a toe. JMO

Trap long enough weird things happen...

Very well put Flint.

In a cubby

Double rear foot in a MB450

This is the most likely idea of what happened so far, I didn't know that you could set off a dogless by pouncing on the loose jaw. Good to know.

I don't think my theory works very will with the double hind foot catch.

Maybe going to take a dump?

That is what I figured

Apparently they think a lot of my sets, lol. I get pics all the time of them dumping around my sets before investigating and sometimes getting caught.

Here is a video of what we walked up to. My first attempt at making a video

https://youtu.be/cOtQj_SO0Fs

Nice catches.

Those pics of the double rear foot are crazy, how the heck..

i caught a possum by the tail in a tire set. haven't used a tire set since

That's nuts! how the heck, maybe it was able to pull its small feet out? No clue.

I’m thinking of two possibilities. First one - the coyote had a foot on each side of the trap on the lever/jaw junction. When the trap fired his feet rode the levers up enough to only catch the toes.
Second one - his feet were on the free jaw and when fired the trap only caught the toes.

Here's my hunch. Both feet were just inside the jaws but close to, if not directly over the fulcrum (balancing point of the "teeter totter'),,,,, the lever ( trap pan) of your "totter" starts at the hold down point of the jaw and extends out into the center of the base and continues to the end of the pan closest to the loose jaw ,,,,,,,,with a pan tension of whatever poundage you set, you are increasing (over gravity) the amount of weight it will take to have the lever (pan) lift the short end of the "totter" and release the/or spring the trap. Now with all that said I hunch that the coyote shifted its weight ever so slightly toward the long side of the "teeter totter" enough to compensate for your added pan tension and the jaws were faster than the coyote's reaction time so he took a ride home with you. Isn't that what pan tension is supposed to do by allowing smaller weighted creatures to wrestle on top of the lever (pan) and NOT spring the trap. Not every animal step is exacting the same weight on the soil beneath it, so when you reach the "straw" that exceeds the camel's carrying capacity, it breaks or in this case it fires the trap........................................... my take .... the mike

This makes so much sense to me. Thanks.

Congratulations dedshaut. Neat catch.

Right on Flint Hill fur. Here's couple other weird catches...
Front foot catch...his only front foot




Tail caught Possum...


Elbow caught Grey...


Nose caught Possum...

wow! those are some super crazy catches, thanks for sharing.

I’ve had a couple grinners by the tail but never by the nose. That’s a new one on me Hern.

Caught a 2 legged coyote this year (suspect a sickle type cutter from a bean head or a windrower got him as a pup). Several 2 legged coons, a coon by the nose, skunks by the scrotum, opossums by the tail and snared a fox and this year a coyote by the mouth (Unloaded snare by the way). Never got a canine by the elbow but have caught several (9) Saw Whet owls in 220 boxes placed 4-6' above the ground and 1 in a cage trap. My boy caught a pocket gopher in a cage trap set in a hayfield. Lots of odd ones in the last 50 years............................. the mike

Wow two legged. Haven’t seen that. Here is two more tripods I’ve caught. One missing a back leg.



Front leg.

Weird two foot catch.

Great thread. Thanks for posting the great pics guys!

Wow, this thread turned out amazing. It's crazy how a 2 legged dog could survive so long.

^^^^x2

That's nuts!

I've taken instruction twice from Kendall and he has a ton of pictures with double foot catches in his KO traps. Most of his sets are trench sets, which would be easier to explain than a dirthole. I run almost all stepdowns, but haven't had such a catch yet.

Neat pictures folks.
I had some front/back foot catches, but no pics.

Lol Herb, I’ve had that on grinners but not yotes.