Huge traps for coyotes

Was watching Clint Locklear on youtube talk about how he likes cdr’s with huge pans for coyotes and said he sees less paw damage than from a #2 sized trap because they dont fight the giant trap and it doesnt bite them as hard. Would take a bunch of waxed dirt, and i know its not legal everywhere. Who adheres to the bigger is better theory?

Little big imo. If a guy needs 7.5” jaw spread and a big pan to reduces his misses he needs to learn to guide better imo.
Maybe if all your guaranteed to catch is yotes. Don’t think that would treat a domestic, fox or coon very well. Some things are out there to catch trappers more than to catch fur. Click bait.

I like 6 1/2 outside jaw spread on my coyote traps. I don't see a 7 1/2 jaw spread trap grabbing anything a 1/2 higher making much difference. I've seen the pics of his catchs and unless I tried a 7 1/2 size trap and saw something different I'll believe him. I've tried smaller traps and ran into more marginal catches than I like.

Boy some of yall re about to have fun with this thread

Gotta remember that was back when he was doing control work for a living on them ranches in texas and cats where brings alot of money. He's said on alot of of his podcasts ( I can try and find them for y'all if women wants) he wouldn't recommend eveyone and their mom just go setting cdr and the like on dry land especially in the east. Again in Texas it's a complete different ball game as many know.Theirs actually alot of people who do it ,they just don't talk about it. I know one guy in perticular, extremely good trapper, he experimented using big pan CDRs for live market coyotes. Said they worked extremely well, had a better catch percentage (plenty of pictures to prove it as well) but stopped using them for a few reasons. holding more black bear being one.Theirs an EXTREMELY accomplished trapper on here I've seen use them for coyote control jobs . Trail sets with them and the like.
Theirs also more that goes into this then just a bigger trap is always better. The trap has to be made a certain way and balanced.like a car can work but a mb750 is a horrible choice. I've chatted for hours with folks about this it's a special deal for special situations.
Best way I can describe it take a Duke 13/4 and a Duke #3 sit em side by side and look at em

But again alot of guys who do this just plain Don't talk about it due to flack from other trappers.

I use Bridger #3 OS 4CS. Work great for me. Bigger doesn't seem necessary. I would recommend them to anyone wanting new coyote traps
Other good choices out there too. Its what works for you. As with rifles, fly patterns for trout fishing, having confidence matters !!!

I've seen that video and I have a mighty hard time believing an animal will have less foot damage from a beaver trap than from a number 2. Reckon how a CDR would treat a grey fox? I think he's talking out of his rear. No way I would set a trap that big on land here even if it was legal.

In one of his videos he talks about how the trap needs to be behind the dirt hole and then he shows night videos of coyotes approaching from the front, contradicting himself. His catch numbers are way higher than mine but he gives some mighty strange advice on stuff.

550s offset jaws.. best trap ever made imo.

I don't know what you were watching but in his Teachers of the Night video's the coyotes spend 80% of the time behind the dirt holes and he spent a lot of time pointing that out. I believe it was because of the camera in those videos and don't believe that was a normal reaction
That is why I remember what was happening on that night video.

I went to #3's four coiled. I laminated them also because I thought that size was a bit big and hoped the lamination would help. Prior to that I caught all my coyote's in #2 size coils.

This ^^^

If trapping for coyotes I want a 6 1/2 inch trap.

Inside jaw spread of a 1 1/2. Stout trap but small. To each there own but I see more guys making there living catching coyotes with #3 than 1 1/2s.

I like the MJ 600 Sterling. But I stll own LOTS of MB 550

Hmmm... Noticed about eveyone commenting here if from the Easter side of the US.....wonder what the western guys think. Seem to historically always been a divide on the subject

Think MB550’s are about as big as we can go. If an MB550 is considered a #2. Don’t think there’s a size limit in water, but definitely on land. I couldn’t imagine having to release 2-3 deer every check.

MJs for me 500/600 either will do.

Deer just pull out of my traps. have a pic from trail cam lol

K9 Extremes for me. 4 coiled, offset, outside lams with 3 swivels. I have also observed that they don't seem to fight this tank of a trap. I'm sure the weight is most of the reason.

I’d like to invite any of the “big iron” crowd on up here. Bring your CDRs, no BS Extremes, your throwback double longs.

Well go knock some traps in tomorrow. Grounds only froze down 18-24”. I don’t even like chipping out a hole for a Monty 3 when it’s like this and that’s more in line with #2 size traps these days!




And I’m gonna throw the BS flag on foot damage. The bigger the trap, the heavier the trap. Heavier the trap, the more foot damage. Throw in some mud, even heavier trap!

Boone

Look on the bright side, in most years ur coyotes are worth twice the $ as ours for the extra work. Lol

I'm no pro, but I've caught coyotes in everything from #1.5s to #3s and had minimal damage with all. My opinion is the trap size doesn't have a lot to do with damage, but rather the spring strength and jaw face. I've also seen that I often have more damage with a close jaw traps than with offsets. What do y'all think?

Caught coyotes in just about everything from 1 1/2 to 4.5 they all work but big traps on ranch in Texas where looking at them in 24 hrs on a control job. If it gets you out there faster , seems the name of the game ... in frozen ground extended checks I would pick a trap for that also.

Spring time calving time I use a different trap than I use for fur trapping.

There's been talk that those videos were in a coyote pen. Whether it is true or not, I don't know. That would explain one reason why the coyotes are avoided the front of the hole though.

I run 4 coiled NO BS K9 Xtremes here, frozen ground or not. We've got bigger canines running around than coyotes. Caught everything from red fox to wolves in them. Not going to mess around with a half dozen different trap sizes and setups. It's a free market and everyone can run what they like. Someone may run something different than me, but who am I to criticize what works for THEM? Lots of glass houses get cracked when people start throwing stones.

I'm working with a 24 hr trap check law. That has to make a difference as far as foot damage is concerned. I can't help but think our 24 hr check has to do less damage than those states that have 48 or even 72 hr checks.

I worry more about zero temps but different styles of traps will give you different outcomes a stamped closed jaw and and a cast offset under the same conditions will yield different results it’s simple surface area formula.

I catch coyotes just as deep in 550 as I do in a #3 with 6 1/2 inch jaw spread. It doesn’t make sense on paper but in reality that’s my experience. North East Pa. Coyotes are big. The 550 is an amazing trap.

About 1/3 to 1/2 of the beaver I catch in the cdr’s have their leg broken.Haven’t lost any yet but I don’t think I would set on dry ground or without a good drowning setup.

I know you have caught coyotes and have a Youtube channel but what I think you should really do is
read Boone's post.

YEP...

Deer certainly step in more than a few traps but pull their feet right out without damage. Every time.

When I lived in South Carolina last, I did 4.5 years of live market trapping. In that time I may have caught 400 coyotes. I can say - without question - that closed jaw traps cause LESS damage than an offset jaw. It seems counterproductive until you stop and ponder the difference in lockup position of the trap. Strong springs on a closed jaw trap. Offset jaws have their place, especially where I live now.

Different traps, different states, different check laws, and different goals for trapping change the landscape on this subject. What might be good for a guy trapping a few coyotes on 24 hour checks may not be good for a guy protecting lambs on extended checks. It’s tough to compare apples to oranges.

You guys are funny.

I’m pretty sure ol’ Locklear has trapped more cats and yotes than most of you have seen.
He uses big traps in Texas on deprivation jobs. Why not use them there. Why not have all the advantages you can get?

Nothing wrong with big traps used in the right areas.

5.5” to 7.5” traps for my line. 24hr check so foot damage is minimized. Foxes are very rare where I trap.

So you think a CDR will do less damage to feet than a #2? That was the original topic of this thread.

Pictures from a friend




He used em liked em

And you know this how?
You may not be aware of it but there are a lot of fur takers on this forum. A good many do not have anything to sell such ad DVDs, lures, baits, instructions, etc.
Not having anything to sell, these guys do not show catch pictures.
Not to take anything away from Clint, but your statement is unfounded, unlikely in many cases, and impossible to prove.

Just saying.

Mac

I find this discussion to be like like trap check times , it seem to me if a guy is under a 24 hr. Check time they think everyone else should too.
Well I will agree with Boone on mud and a big trap but a big trap and a drag which I see Clint locklear use that changes things. And south texas looks like more sand than dirt or mud.
Myself if they work they work. Not everyone has got the same conditions.
You will find most of this stuff is about not liking the guy and not the trap.
Imo Boone point was to get big trap buried in the conditions he has not that he was against big traps . But like he also said big trap in mud is a bad idea. Once again conditions. Imo
Red

MB 750 and Bridger #5
Never know when a big dog will get in one around here.

Worked in texas a long time didnt see many cdrs used in the sheep or cattle for that matter on coyotes or lions hel most of us used what we got i did see 4 nh and lpcs used right along with 3ns three newhouse and 550s Ive held cows in 2 montgomery round jaws and up to 8 lpc
You can get a big cow out of a 3n quicker then a 4 newhouse lpc or a 8 lpc i can promise you that especialy by yourself and not on horsback
You can catch deer calves sheep antelope in a #2 or a 3 longdpring sized trap which is simular to a 1.75 and hold it just fine whether you need it or not


Ive used just about any size intentionaly and not
I got to agree with boonie but i dont have the snow he does or the freezes but i got and hsve had lots of rock and its just easier to bed a smaller trap and more streamlined. I go down the road in the sandhills and ill use anything under 6.5 inches i cant say i use one trap specificaly but in rock clay or caliche i prefer smaller


As far as foot damage and larger or smaller traps offset or not
I can say that the more weight the bigger size theres going to be a diffrence especially on a 24 36 48 or 72 hr check
I prefer offset jaws but ive had to use them in texas nm are they better i dunno havent used many closed jaws and just am used to offsetting per regulations in nm where i started

Im not knocking big pans but ive not been impressed personally and dont feel i need them

I use nothing but Jakes. I don't know what the jaw spread is on them, but if I catch a coyote any higher up the leg, I'll be into his hip.
I like Jakes because I deal with a lot of wind blown sand, but they still fire through it. I have plenty of CDRs, but have no reason to try them, given how the Jakes have performed.

6-5/8” OD x 5-1/2” ID