Taliban took over Afghanistan.

Just got a news flash that Taliban entered the capitol city and is awaiting a peaceful transfer of power. Thanks Washington.

I see they just released everyone from Bagram prison.

That must be a real kick in the face to any veteran that served there.God Bless them all....

Innocents are going to be slaughtered. It more than irritates me that we're lead by incompetents.

I know a couple. Think I will call them today.

I lost a cousin there almost 20 years ago. Was in the Air Force. First snipers bullet hit his vest and knocked him over backwards. Second round hit at the bottom of it, went under it and entered his body.

People give me cross-eyed looks when I say limited war is wrong. If we send young men into combat they should not be sorting good guys from bad. Destroy the country. If WWII is any indication, when cities are leveled and people are starving, they dont want to fight anymore. Help them get back on their feet and you have an ally.

Of just flood their border with Mexicans for a dozen years. That seems to be effective.

Hobbie, I called a friend that lives near the border. He told me there are Africans ans Middle Easterners crossing. Some central Americans and Mexicans but tens of thousands from other continents. They get get to Mexico and head north. Mexico is fine with it so long as they dont stay.

Sounds like things may get exciting in the big cities in the future.

Good thing we spent all that time, money and lives there.

Trying to impose political order on a people not yet ready for it is a hopeless endeavor. The only thing they respect is brutal domination and we won't do that or allow a gov't we support to do that. The Taliban is happy to supply what we will not.

For 20 years we trained the Afghan national forces but we trained them to be dependent on our intelligence, air support, discipline, and command & control. Working with us they were successful at holding the Taliban at bay. Meanwhile, the Taliban was learning how to deal with Afghan national forces supplied with American support. Then we took away our support and wondered why the Afghan national forces collapsed so quickly. Sounds a lot like our exit from South Vietnam to me.

Check for obstruction in the exhaust, like an old dirt dauber nest.

Wars go on and on not because we can’t win but they are run by temporary residents of the White House that have other agendas.

I have a friend here in Maine who is a supervisor with the Border Patrol. They've sent him to the southern border two or three times a year for the past four or five years to lend a hand. I know it's anecdotal and just one man's opinion, but he says things are far worse than anything you'll ever see on TV. He's more frustrated with the media than anyone here ever could be. They're liars and propagandists for the left.

I don't know which is more impressive, this or the ISIS takeover during the administration of 44. What's even more impressive with 46 in the reigns is the speedy takeover of our country through our open southern boarder.

Where will we be sending troops next?

Peaceful
...yeah

Similar to Viet Nam from my take just that there were 10 times as many lost in less years and when we brought the Hmong who fought with us over from the refugee camps in Thailand they have been treated very poorly for the most part. Yes it is tragic that we have failed but for those of us that fought in Nam we have lived with this for 50 years. We will see how those who fought in Afghanistan will feel 30-40 years from now.

Bryce

Not our problem. It's too bad we spent so many lives and so much money there for the last 20 years.

At this rate all the big cities in the US.

We know it want be on the southern border.

That's a fact! Nothing to see there, folks. All is well.

Headline said embassy rushes to evac. The US embassy has had several days to burn the embassy down and get out of dodge. Why are they still there?

It’s one of the most embarrassing foreign policy blunders in the nation’s history. There is a right and wrong way to leave a country and these morons don’t have a clue.

USMC47 dislikes this.

War is profitable, just not for the ones fighting, getting maimed and dying in it.

Blame Ross Wilson for the botched evac.

Biden just released a statement it is Trump’s fault he inherited this mess. Weak people never admit their mistakes.

The U.S. is being run by complete incompetents. Think of all the lives lost, amputations, PTS,, thousands of lives affected, and trillions of dollars wasted. How would you feel if your son or daughter were killed or wounded, and for what? If we get into a war we should fight to win, not selectively. Use every weapon we have, including nukes, drone,napalm, etc.
Our President has not made one correct decision, not one.His VP is a giggling fool. Is this the best America has to offer? What about decisions by our military leaders and where is good intelligence?
Washington has turned into a political quagmire. We need Patriots like Trump and Pompeo, Look at the southern border. I would put troops, tanks there , complete the wall, shoot those that dare to cross, and deport those that have crossed. Just think of the Covid, Drugs, and Crime they are bringing with them. We can't import the entire world I would also put on trial all that have allowed these things to happen.

Is he ready to take up arms against them, that’s where I am?

Just read , “blame the suits not the boots”.

The USA should have just used Nuclear weapons.

The Talibans rapid advance is being called the new Blitzkreig.The most rapid military collapse/advance in history with tons of weaponry acquired in the process.

Anyone thinking this would end any other way were lying to themselves.

Can you imagine defeating Germany but not ridding it of Nazis?

Nukes work great to wipe out entire cities.
But not effective costwise or otherwise against a cellular guerilla force scattered all around a wilderness.

And caves.
Nukes not being used was a good decision. Russia and China would've nuked back. Both are itching to use them.

The only way to have a guerilla force is to have civilian support. If all the livestock, if all the crops, if all the homes, if all the vehicles are destroyed, if all the rail lines and roads are destroyed, if their families are starving, guerilla force's still alive WILL get some different priorities.

Whole thing has been a big joke. We leave them billions in militay equipment while withdrawing gor them to capture? I think the whole thing has been a money grab from the start. Osama burried at sea with no proof? The seal team 6 that captured him dies in a chopper crash later?

???

Not sure why the terrorists would attack us now and risk interfering with our free fall into self destruction. But maybe would want in on the action also.....

It's no tragedy for the Afghans still there. They allow it to go on and most of them support them!

Don't forget what Saint Barack the Omnipotent had to say ---- Obama warned America, ‘Don’t Underestimate Joe’s Ability To F**k Things Up.’ Sadly this was one of the rare times Obama was correct.

I wouldn’t look for everyone to unite like they did the last time.

I agree with this premise. It's not our country. We have zero moral or ethical authority to "nuke" Afghanistan or re-occupy it. We can't preach freedom and force our will at the same time.

The Taliban is doing exactly what most of y'all would talk/type about doing.

You’re an idiot.

Oh no, I hit a nerve. Why don't you write one of your crap songs and try to explain how I'm wrong?

Sovereignty. And if they allow their country to be a base for terrorism against Americans they will be destroyed for another 20 years.

You claim your not a liberal and in your own mind you may believe it but you sure don't pass any shot you can take at the conservative side.

What is liberal in what I said?

Don't remember saying there was anything Liberal about it. Just stated you like taking shots at conservatives every chance you get.
I did kind of indirectly suggest that it's similar to the actions of a liberal I guess

That's not at all what I was saying. I agree with what Danny has said on this thread. Either we hit the country with everything we've got (which wouldn't necessarily need to include nukes) or we leave them to their chithole of a country and let them kill each other as they've been doing for centuries. You can't help people unless they want to be helped... and the Muslim nations clearly don't want to be helped.

We had the chance to wipe out the Taliban (and probably, at one point, bin Laden) at Tora Bora, but Bush II took his eyes off the ball and invaded Iraq.

Bush II was a conservative. The conservatives led us into Afghanistan without any workable plan about what to do next.

Yeah, let's follow the conservatives. They have such a great record on foreign policy.

Jim

He’s so far out in left field he thinks he’s play in right field! LOL

Yet Obammy didn't fix it, and ol' Joe sure is doing a bang up job. Yeah, let's not follow the left either.

I agree with you there, Trapdog. Neither Dem president knew how to clean up Bush's mess.

I don't follow either party.

Jim

I don’t agree with constant wars but I’m a strong believer in loyalty if we do get involved and we keep sticking our noses in places we should not then drop the mic and walk away nobody will trust us anymore. But we don’t even follow the rule of law here anymore it should be expected then.

Some of you have not studied history and it shows......

Please enlighten us, Wolfdog.

Were you even born when we invaded Afghanistan?

Jim

He said studied history James. Not lived it.

And we all know what most here think of how they teach history in schools these days.

I'm still waiting to be enlightened.

Jim

Can’t fathom how that would make a lick of difference.

Well, you ain’t got as much time to wait as Wolfie.

I'm also curious what wolfdog meant. Since he's current member of our military, his opinion is of interest to me.

Biden bunch better hope they get everyone out before some of the stragglers get captured. They think optics are bad now, wait until a bunch of our guys are captured and held hostage, or beheaded and bodies drug through the streets. That happens and they might was well hand in the keys. They are toast.

Afghan is the cemetery of empires. Theirs two more counties like that on being around Vietnam I think. That historically have never been controlled. The terrain and the tribal nature of the people just make it near impossible. From Alexander to the British to the Russians to us. People who say we should just use more guns more weapons yadda yadda yadda....look at the Russians. Even without our aid the afghans would have worn them down eventually.

Not to mention the people are just not suited at fighting for them selves, well more less against each other/ tradition. Most seems to selfish and weak minded . Alot more are in cahoots with the Taliban. The leat two weeks are prime examples. Given whole millitary basis full of high grade weapons and tech and they just give it over

It makes me sick looking at everything we did over there for them but after looking at that countries millitary history, and talking to people that have actually been over there on the ground..... Idk mabye I'm just speaking out my rear but

Backward thinking there.
Chit like that re-inforces the resolve to destroy the invaders.It serves to create martyrs and recruit every citizen into the resistance.

Last time the Taliban was very powerful, it turned into our problem. Perhaps you heard of it. It happened on 9/11/2001. It truly amazes me how an individual such as yourself can be completely wrong with every comment. You are unbelievably consistent.

Remember when Trump was left to dry when he didn't believe intelligence reports against Russia? Yet biden does the same thing but with this mess and the media is quiet calling him out on it.

Not to get deep into it but after talking to guys who's been on the ground over there some....in some deeps stuff if you get my drift...their views would not make alot of people here happy.

Shouldve cleaned that place out. No such thing as a fair fight....

Stay indefinitely then?

I am not interested in spending another dollar or life there. If they screw with us, we can respond. Otherwise, what's your actual solution?

Surely you've watched a YouTube video on the subject.

Its not Afghanistan anymore.
It is now called the "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan"

You guys should watch this

I couldn't care less what happens over their, but I'm real bias.

I've got a question: How many Combat Vets since Korea or Nam on here think we should stay or leave?

My solution is to kill them all. Should have been done a long time ago and it will have to be done sooner or later anyway. You should educate yourself on Islam a little. It's obviously lacking as much as your intelligence. I know that about you. I watched a Youtube video on it.

Comparing folks that desire to be left alone and free to child marrying goat humpers is insane and idiotic.

You’re a “hot water bottle”. lol No song for you either .

I don't know why I even asked. Unreasonable, immoral and impossible in one non-solution.

It was a comment on keyboard warriors. Not one supporting the Taliban or comparing them to anyone here--except now Finster. He would fit in great other than being all talk no action.

Just putting this out there .Does anyone think this will bring issis back? Hope I spelled that right.

Remember back in the '80s when we used to support and admire the Taliban (when they were fighting the Soviets)?
It didn't workout too well for the Soviets back then; why didn't we learn our lesson?

It is a terrible shame that we lost many lives in Afghanistan and wasted billions of dollars. As hard as it is to admit it, you sort of have to admire a bunch of backwards folks who were able to beat-back the world's two major super powers.

Probably, maybe even worse. There may even be fighting on the city streets here in the near future.

Soviets made the same mistake we did. They tried to sort them out. Get Allies amongst the Afghans.

The attack on 9-11-2001 came from and was paid for by Saudi Royals. If the country of Saudi Arabia were destroyed, all their royals hung or put into prison, the oil fields auctioned off to U.S. business men, the country declared a U.S. territory, Mecca turned into a gravel quarry, those Afghans, Iraqi's, Iranians, Syrians, Pakistanis and Yemenites would want no part of any U.S. wrath.

Russia and China would have been upset but Israel would have backed us. China and Russia could have been appeased by giving them Syria and Iraq. China has lithium and other rare earth. We would have been in good position to negotiate with Afghanistan for those things.

As it stands now we are headed down a bad road. Things are going to blow up here in the U.S.

With one son active military. My co worker son deployed there this weekend. And from the reports we are getting today. I hope you are witnessing what this administration thinks of human life. NONE!!! Except there elite selves. Don’t care who this Administration blames. Jan 20 2021 Biden took office. His burden. His responsibility. They acted way to late. Why??? Because they dont care for American lives or anyone’s life. James your comment about Wolfdog. Doesn’t matter when he was born. He is active military. He is way more informed then you.

Seems to me all the Taliban are in country now. "Light em' up" as a good-bye gift.
Was told by a WWII vet why that war won was because they not only beat the army they beat the people.

^^^^^
I think you could blame all the foreign policy "mistakes" we've made in recent decades on bad policy, but I think you would be mistaken.
It must be by design; how could anyone make the same mistakes time after time without it being intentional?

Never compare linear warfare with an insurgency

I blame President Truman.

I forgot that Wolfdog is in the military, giving him the chance to talk to people who were actually in Afghanistan. I assumed his knowledge was limited to what he was taught in school. I was wrong.

Jim

Ok. Thanks James. I think as Americans we are all upset over this. One way or the other

ISIS never left

ISIS is in the levant and are more ideological than the Taliban. The west has too much of a vested interest in yhe region to let thay happen. I wouldnt be surprised if we made deals with the Taliban to let them back into power peacefully as long as we could access certain resources.

Bush started it, Clinton and Obama fuel it with blood and money, Trump started the drawdown and negotiations and Biden pulled the plug. We will never learn, we can't force our way of life on another culture, if you fight it has got to be all out war and worth it. To start a war for Lithium, oil or to try and bring peace to the desert or jungle way of life that has gone on since day one good luck. Fighting across the globe to stop terrorism with out wiping out the country is not going to work it just makes them more determined to get us out. Most of those Taliban have nothing to live for except anger and revenge. If would be no different if they came over here and tried to bring us their way of life we would not give in, I'm sure of that. We did not learn in Korea or Vietnam but then war is good for business and to keep the military going and be able to try out new strategy and toys. Heck we all know what the mother of all bombs does now but it didn't stop them. Obama took out Bin laden, did that work, nope. Yeah I know nuke them and start the final world war.

Let's see:

Over 2000 killed. Over 20,000 wounded,. Billions spent. Country in crisis, and Biden is on vacation?????

This is a good analysis.

I guess Biden doesn't play golf like Trump, vacation in Hawaii like Obama, chase women like Clinton or sit and do nothing like Bush. What's the problem? The military is supposed to be in charge of the evacuation and draw down. The problem is we got in there after 9-11 with out thought or having a plan and had no business in there. We have enough problems in this country without sticking our nose into every hornets nest we hear about. The Russians were brutal when they went into Afghanistan, and did not fight a surgical war, how long did they last?

No, you just don't have the sand to admit that's the only solution. Can't make friends with a Rattlesnake nor do you turn your back on one. Their religions highest honor is to die for the false pagan god Allah. I say we help them all out. Muslims have been a problem since the pedophile Mahammad started the hate cult. They never have or will they ever be civil. There is no choice left.

Afghanistan has been used to train a huge amount of American troops, most importantly the ones who will go on to lead our military. We have got to use and tweak new technology in a real war setting, where there is no serious consequences for our country for failure of that technology. There's only so much you can learn from war games. It's been expensive financially and we have lost people, but it's brought our military to a new higher level.

It has also scared our enemies and other nations enough that no major foreign terrorist attacks have occurred since the invasion.

Keith

Just saying eveyone who says nuke has no clue how bad that would backfire on us

Why did we or during the Christian wars or during 9-11 crawl into the rattlesnakes den?? They are like us as the Russians said we Americans will destroy our own country.

That's why I said it was a great choice not to nuke them. Russia and China are itching to use theirs.

X2 about vets views on being there and seeing this current situation. A good friend did 2 tours there you know what he's thinking right now

I will say one thing- You Americans were there from the get-go after 911,Nato allies were there too-the Brits and Canadians,not sure about the Aussies but probably.You yanks gave your best try to turn that S-Hole around after the rest of us gave up on those cave men.
Whatever happens I say you can hold your head up-there is just no fixing that place.

That is so true, BOCO

Thank you for that kind and accurate assessment.

walleyed

Why do we keep blaming Biden. It's obvious we are being led by a communist China. Can we hold on for 4 years? I'm not sure.

The worst of us isn't the smudge on our national honor, but what's going to happen to the people who had been friendly to us under Taliban rule.

Any women finding themselves under Taliban control can claim refugee status, so far as I'm concerned. An entire generation has grown up being taught freedom, and now will be subject to a medieval theocracy, third-class status, and even rape.

Jim

What do you think is going to happen in 4 more years?

Maybe that taste of freedom was what they needed to come to the realization that freedom is not something given... but earned.

Like LBJ in Vietnam?

Let's face it, until we get an administration that will actually fight a war to destroy the enemy and their will to fight, this is going to be the result.

Afghanistan should have been just another Carthage... And just as uninhabitable when we left.

Mike

I'm hoping an elected president.

lol

Trumpy was pretty good at admitting all his mistakes...yes?

I agree Hobbie, It is laughable, It's amazing the difference 1 man can make. When the Iranian was taken out. the whole world went silent.

Your TDS is showing. Lol

What Iranian? Bin Laden was a Saudi.

Jim

Soleimani.

Trump made the agreement with the Taliban to leave Afghanistan by May 1st.
The Taliban broke every clause in the agreement and Biden was left with the choice to continue the war because the Taliban had no intentions of living up to their part,or leave under the Talibans Rules.
Not much of a choice.

I wasn't referring to the obama era

I gotta ask ,how many wars where a linear millitary group fought a nonlinear / insurgency group and won ?

Regardless if tactics. When it come to come somewhere like that area unless your able to either A. Get the populous completely on your side and with the balls to fight for there or B. Complete and total ethnic cleansing to the point no one is lest what so ever your just going to keep having kids, wives , cousins ect of the slain picking up arms to avenge theirs

Yeah beat me too it. Trumps administration litterly negotiated with terrorists. O but so did oboma ... And bush I mean really as long as we've had the CIA.....anyhow

yea -- biden wasn't a choice either.

The next 3.5 years will become a nightmare not only here but abroad too. Nearly 7 months in and look how much damage this administration has done.
These nearly 7 months has been a bad dream that's only going to turn into a nightmare regardless if Biden serves all 4 or Harris takes over. She also authorized this terrible decision

Oh, do go on, Adam! What damage?

Jim

Democrats are sensing trouble. You might want to ask them.

Yep.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pompeo-biden-admin-failed-in-afghanistan-taliban-takeover

Lmbo is that rhetorical or legit

I wonder if a bunch of recruits from the west will sign up for the free women and drugs.like they did with Isis?

It isn’t inevitable the Taliban will take over. The Afghan troops have 300,000 well trained troops against 75,000 Taliban - Joe Biden’s recent statement. Wow, everything he says is the truth! Well planned exit strategy. Now, who is going to get all the sophisticated American military equipment. Didn’t the Afghanistan military have some of our aircraft?

We also armed them by leaving operable weapons.

While I don't ever recall agreeing with charles, his post right here might be more spot on than 95% of the responses thus far.

Ridden with Biden has been a nightmare in hidden! The American people should stand up and demand responsible government and reject swamp politics!
I'm with danny,...you either do it or you don't. If you can't lead or follow get out of the way,..because we have reached a point where all living generations have had an eyeful.
The next engagement will bring a culture of severe punishment!,...and that will be justified!

IQ in singe digits.

Y'all are funny. Trump started it and its taking place under Biden's admin. I agree its well past the time to pull out. This isnt really Trump or Biden's fault. Why are we not calling into question the military leaders and ambassador?

This administration will go down as the worst we've ever had. Completely inept to the point of treason.

I'm not sure anyone can be worse than Obama was.

In only 6 months, this one is in the running.

They can just stroll on over to the evacuated US embassy...or maybe they can talk to the tali and see if they will let them go to the nearest active US embassy?

lol.

There should be lots of new pictures of tali members posing with heads in the next week.

biden truly sucks......so do ALL the folks who support him and the other's like him...makes me wanna vomit.

Hear hear!

Pike, true that Trump started initial talks of pulling out but he didn't. If he did the Taliban wouldn't be acting like this knowing full well he has no problem dropping MOAB's or any other force necessary to put them in check. They are like predators taking advantage of the sick and vulnerable. The world knows full well Biden is weak in every aspect. Biden is on vacation no statement, press secretary has out of office reply on.

Biden is systematically destroying this country!

And as usual the thread descends into people whining about orange man not being president

I saw some folks saying goodbyes on Facebook as Kabul fell, they were Atheist, they are probably being rounded up and killed as we speak.

We invaded Afgan in order to get rid of Bin Laden who wasn't even there...

As usual this thread draw scrutiny, and rightfully so,in it's apparent display of a populous that can't recognize an obvious.

I missed those posts, but do see some pointing out how the present administration is inept, including mine.

But can they hold it???
just

Same.

we left lots of good weapons for the tali, many of them never fired and only dropped once.....planes, helos, arty, ammo dumps, fully stocked bases....now that's how you run a war on terror ..if you want to loose.

took the tali a week to control the whole country, we could not do that in 20 years there because we no longer know how to fight a war. We beat the japs/nazi's because we killed them by the bushel and bombed them into the stone age.....firebombed whole cities..nuked them...the tali laughs at us and this will embolden these people worldwide. Prepare.

They will be styling in all them hummers we left them, the price of burros just dropped. Old Joe is ruining another economy along with ours, maybe the Taliban needs some cheap labor we could ship some over there.

I honestly doubt 80 of the afgans or talibs can even use most of that equipment. Alot of it's probably gonna end up being sold on the street like what happened in Iraq. Most of the stuff like MRAPS ,MATV's ect require alot of matinence to run . The drones and UAV's will probably be sold off to other countries or just torn up for scrap. Honestly if it was ISIS getting all this yeah that's a different sore but average Taliban can barely aim a AK

Freedom is an American thing,it would be naive to assume anyone living under any body but a western civilization construct could obtain freedom.it's just not possible.
There is a reason we are referred to as a beacon to the world! Our puzzle was put forth over time, It's track record proven,..the defense of such questionable.

Again do not confuse linear warfare with and insurgency. Two different things. Remember what happened when we first pushed into Iraq and they where fighting a linear style ? I.e men in uniforms army against army tanks ect ? Yeah we annihilated them didn't take long either.
Then look what happens the second they stared fighting a guerilla war.

A wise general once said " You either fight the US asymmetrically or you fight them stupid ".

They are already hitting the main drag in them hummers all over the news piled on like flies on *U^, for a 3rd world people they just took a lot of territory back and survived the best equipped Army trying to kill them over the last 20 years.

^ what a disgrace......"we provided the afgan army with advanced weaponry and we are going to make sure they can maintain their air force"....what a joke joe...that B funny. Did you mean the tali air force? " we intend to maintain our diplomatic presence in afgan"...lol.

This guy is a tool and the USA under him is a joke. God help us...

we will be lucky to hold the airport so our people can get out....

When did the Japanese avenge?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Yep.

When the handful of survivors from your home town are literally starving to death the only option is surrender. When the invader shows up with trucks of food and medicine peoples emotions are relief and gratitude. They tend to blame their previous government/leaders for causing all the suffering. There are entire books on the subject.

Well, I don't know about that. Not sure we had time to properly fold our flag before the inept Taliban run us off.

Don't worry ,the chinese will figure how to run the equipment! They probably wrote the manual.

This is worst than the evacuation of Saigon, and it’s all on Biden who ran and hid in Camp David faster than the Afghan army ran. The whole world, especially our adversaries , are watching.

And many of the components were probably made in China ?

If I were king, Kabul would be rubble about now. However, if I were king, I wouldn't be worried to much about Afghanistan and would focus more on the invasion of my own country from the south.

They crossed all that open country and we did nothing to stop them, deals have been made it looks like to me.

I pray to God to somehow remove our destructive leadership. Plain and simple. I believe it to be in Gods hands now. There is talk of bringing Afghan refugees to Fort McCoy Wisconsin to house them. Getting them out is the next thing.

I doubt they crossed anything. More likely have been present in the general population the whole time, and simply stood up. Seems like the residents are not fighting them, but welcoming them. Not sure how what has taken place could have taken place without full knowledge and cooperation with nearly the entire population.

And also clear these guys operate from a different rule book than the one we used. They are much more ruthless. We took and held prisoners. They execute prisoners.

And lastly, wondering if the Biden bunch left those BLM and gay pride flags flying over the embassy?

It's sad to see the desperation in the civilians trying to flee this mess.
Videos of civilians storming the airports storming US planes trying to hitch a ride. People holding onto our sitting on various parts and ultimately falling off.

Well they did create the video games that are turning our youth to bums. Sneaky Japanese probably biding their time until the only guns Americans know how to shoot are the ones in Call of Duty, lol.

My thoughts from the start. To take the entire country in a day or so, they had lots of help from the population.

If they have so much support why are hoards of afghanis trying to get out of the country?

Not hoards.......only a few thousand who were helping us. They don't get out, they are dead and they know it. Their families are dead and they know it.

BTW, not all of those who are seen running in front of those planes are trying to get on them. Some are clearly celebrating their departure.......or trying to block it.

Watching the video from Kabul, it’s all men storming the airplanes. The US should have trained and armed the women of Afghanistan.
It clear now that the our military leaders and pentagon officials have lied to us once again.

Thing like this are hardly ever unanimous Boco.

Joe, Kamala, Nancy, and Chuck should have impeachment charges brought against them. Get them one at a time. If nothing else, make life miserable for them as they did to Trump. It would be a fitting payback.

Won't be the first time. I wonder how many remember when the Cubans were housed there.

I don't have a problem with those that helped our service members over there being brought here, what I do have a problem with are those that don't have cajones to fight back and keep their country.

I wish the great leaders of the world would open their eyes and see that we infidels will never have true friends among the believers of Islam. It is a religion based on the fact [in their eyes ]that believers of Islam are superior to all nonbelievers ,and nonbelievers are actualy subhuman to be converted enslaved or exterminated . The ones that act like our friends would never actually stand up against the extreamist because they feel guilty that they are not as devout as the extremist .

Wolfdog has a lot of wisdom, but the real issue is what are you going to do about it , how many of you have called there congressman or senator and explained how this is impacting your life, not many I bet. Those of you that have served in the mid east understand what is going on. All you others that never served are exersizing you freedom of speech, congratulations. We that have served are use to the droning of uneducated experts that have never spent time in very difficult environments..

laws of probability says you will still vote your pocketbook and not get involved and you definetly will not exersize your freedom speech rights if its going to cost you.

The Afgan people and most of the 3rd world will not fight because it has been bred out of them just as it is being done here.

Maybe Etheopia is next Rumsfeld made the all volunteer military he knew what he was doing. Hang in there Wolfdog.

Old Joe just let that happen, it looks like it was set up that way or the Taliban would of been shooting more then they did. Could be Sniffy got a big check or they purchased some art pieces from Jr.

Yet again that was a linear war. Not mention the Japanese are a different kinda of people compared to most insurgent groups now days

I won't say wisdom, just had alot of ideas I've had based out by seniors in the ranks who seen some crap. Not to mention all the historical class you have to study up on before deployment ,I'm not even joking. They what you to know stuff from the Karan , different ethnic groups , ideals they why I keep saying fighting these guys is not like fighting the Germans or Japanese.

Like I said before look at what happens when we fought Saddam in a linear fashion. Then compare that to when the Iraqi guard went to fighting non linear.

I got out in February though arthritis ,a bad back , and mental issues don't make too good of a solider. Especially a mechanic lol

Humans are humans. When survivors are starving to death nothing else is important anymore

You know its bad when even NPR is going after Biden

We weren't exactly hailed as heroes in Somalia

And yes let's nuke them

1. We kill millions
2. The nuclear fall out is probably going to spread to other countries due to the wind killing even more and destroying land for possibly centuries
3. Now we have confirmed everything isis the Tali and all those other groups have been telling Muslims about us being the true enemy
4. Probably going to get condemned buy every other country , and that's a can of worms by is self
5. Radicals every where from Chechnya to the Philippines to right here are probably going to go off the deep end for revenge.
6. Other Muslim nations like Saudi are probably gonna try and cut ties with us to show solidarity
7. Attacks will probably start and it's not going to be that red dawn thing every one wants ......

I could go on but I digress because meh.

No need for nukes it’s not the lack of firepower or the commitment of our troops it’s the double dealing spineless idiots in DC that cannot keep their eye on the prize. Generals like to win wars politicians don’t mind loosing them.

Or we can keep letting them kill us around the world and keep infiltrating all levels of our government. I could care less what the rest of the world thinks. Wait til the Talibs tick off China, they have zero issues with ethnic cleansing. We let our conscience get in the way of winning wars here.

It's not even ...... I'm starting to understand how SF commanders feel trying to talk to old heads in upper brass

I still say you can't force a way of life on people that don't want it and they don't want to be like the west in any way .

I agree with 90% of what you've said in this post but I think you're overlooking something here and that's religious fanaticism. The people that are willing to strap suicide vests to themselves and even to their children in the name of Allah are NOT going to befriend the infidels no matter how hungry they get. They'd consider it an honor to die of starvation for Allah. And most of the people in those countries ARE religious fanatics. It's not like the US where Christianity tends to be just a part of a persons life... in those countries their religion IS their life.

You know that and they can easily use it to call every Muslim out to jihad.. constant bombings and shooting here state side ..but you know....doot da doo

Clinton had first dibs on Bin Laden and didn't act!

Not quite. 80,000 gone in a second. No uniforms or age limit. Different kind of people? Yes, even more radical as they would kill themselves for dishonor.

I totally agree with bodycount. What this group of people have done to our country is despicable.I think of the 2000 odd patriots killed in Afghanistan and over 20, 000 wounded.These people are far from patriots, just sleezy, cheap politicans They all need to be ousted!

I found this interesting.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-...u1&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

C'mon man.....it has a pay wall for most. Can you paste the text ?

Really ? That link was supposed to be free.
I'll try to copy/paste

Was free for me.

Here ya go.


Biden’s Chamberlain Moment in Afghanistan
The fall of Kabul has been heard around the world, to the dismay of our allies and delight of our enemies.



‘You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war.” Winston Churchill’s words to Neville Chamberlain following the Munich agreement echo grimly across Washington this week as the Biden administration reckons with the consequences of the worst-handled foreign-policy crisis since the Bay of Pigs and the most devastating blow to American prestige since the fall of Saigon.

Joe Biden believed two things about Afghanistan. First, that he could stage a dignified and orderly withdrawal from America’s longest war. Second, that a Taliban win in Afghanistan would not seriously affect U.S. power and prestige world-wide. He was utterly and unspinnably wrong about the first. One fears he was equally wrong about the second.

The bipartisan scuttle caucus of which President Biden is a founding member—and former President Trump an eager recruit—argued that withdrawal would enhance rather than undermine American credibility. Ending a war in a remote country of little intrinsic interest to the U.S. does not, one can argue, make America look weak. If anything, the two-decade U.S. intervention testifies to an American doggedness that should reassure our allies about our will. At the same time, cutting our losses after 20 years of failing to build a solid government and military in Afghanistan demonstrates a realism and wisdom that should reassure allies about Washington’s judgment.

Defenders of the withdrawal argue this is one way that America can reduce its footprint in peripheral theaters to focus on the principal threat in coastal East Asia. Why should the U.S. government pay the heavy price—in military resources and in the political costs at home of defending an endless engagement in a remote part of the world—required to contain the Taliban? Isn’t the jihadist group a more direct threat to both Russia and China than to America? Why are U.S. soldiers fighting and dying so that Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping have one less headache to worry about?

A well-executed withdrawal that visibly served a coherent national strategy might have accomplished what Messrs. Trump and Biden hoped. But that is not what we have, and the Biden administration is facing a major test of credibility. The president’s tragically misguided press-conference remarks of July 8, in which he doubled down on naively optimistic predictions that would have embarrassed Baghdad Bob, cast a shadow over the president’s judgment that will not be easily or quickly dispelled.

The Taliban’s sweeping military victory should not have surprised Mr. Biden. The core of the argument for withdrawal, an argument he has embraced for more than a decade, is that the Afghan government and military are so irredeemably weak and corrupt that it is pointless for America to support them. To expect that such a government and such an army would cohere long enough to provide its vanishing betrayers a dignified retreat is magical thinking of the silliest kind.

The fall of Kabul has been heard around the world. In Europe, where allies had no say in either the substance or the timing of the president’s decision this looks like yet another instance of the incoherent U.S. unilateralism that marked President Obama’s reversal of his Syrian red line and much of Mr. Trump’s policy. It is not just that America’s scuttle threatens to produce a massive refugee crisis in Europe. After 9/11 our allies invoked Article 5 of the NATO mutual defense treaty to come to the aid of the U.S. They deserved some real input into the decision and the planning of any end to the war and are right to resent the arrogant incompetence that presented them with a disastrous fait accompli. In the future, Mr. Biden must expect even less European deference and respect than he has so far received.

China, Russia and Iran surely interpret this shambolic performance as a sign of exploitable weakness and poor judgment. From the peaks of Pakistan to the sands of the Sahel, fanatical jihadists discouraged by the failure of ISIS sense a fresh and favorable turn of events with the arrival of their greatest victory since 9/11. Recruitment will prosper and resources will flow—fed by the sophisticated weapons and tech we left in the field. The president may be finished with Afghanistan, but Afghanistan may not be finished with him.


A multitude of cooks collaborated to spoil this broth. The George W. Bush administration invaded Afghanistan with no clear idea of what to do next. Through the Bush and Obama years, American war aims inexorably and witlessly widened as Congress and private advocacy groups got into the act. Afghanistan was going to be a modern democratic country. Its women would have equal rights. Religious freedom would be guaranteed by a U.S.-inspired constitution. Pride flags floated in the Afghan skies. Kabul University opened a master’s degree program in gender studies.

As America’s war aims reached ever loftier and less feasible heights, the U.S. military studiously ignored the gaping flaw in its strategy: unrelenting support for the Taliban from our “ally” in Islamabad. As long as the Pakistanis offered the jihadist group sanctuary and support, it could not be destroyed. Worse, after any American departure, the Taliban’s Pakistani backing would give it an insurmountable advantage over the democratic Afghan government.

The U.S. security establishment dithered for 20 years, unwilling to confront Islamabad effectively or to recognize that failure and change its Afghan policy to accommodate its consequences. As it is, Pakistan—a nuclear power with a record of promoting proliferation and deep ties both to China and to the most hate-filled and murderous jihadist groups—has faced down America and achieved its long-term goal of reinstalling a friendly regime to its north. Whether Pakistan will be happy with its radical neighbor in the long term remains to be seen, but for now Pakistani hard-liners are celebrating the greatest single win in their history.

Nothing is more vain than the hope that somehow this debacle will help the U.S. in the Indo-Pacific. For more than 70 years India, whose massive population and economy make it a linchpin of any American strategy in Asia, has seen the world through the lens of its competition with Pakistan. Now, as Islamabad cements its ties with Beijing, the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan hands Pakistan a strategic victory and strengthens the most radical anti-Indian and anti-Western forces in its government. Few in New Delhi will perceive this catastrophe as a sign of Washington’s competence or reliability. If a third-tier country like Pakistan can tie the U.S. in knots, Indians will ask: What chance does Washington have against China?

Perhaps the biggest winner in this dismal week was former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who wrote in his 2014 memoir that then Vice President Biden “has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.” Those lines may not have the Churchillian flair, but they are unlikely to be forgotten now. We must all hope that Mr. Biden can claw his way out of this hole into which he so heedlessly and unnecessarily leapt.


Copyright ©2021 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

I would hope by now the concept of setting of a nuke would never be seriously considered. Having said that, there are other equally impressive options. If memory serves, one of the first thing Trump did was authorize the use of a MOAB in the cave region of Tora Bora. Lit em up and took off half a mountain. Things calmed down in a hurry.

Put me in charge and let me know when a good size group of Taliban are assembled in our embassy and I'd set off something the size of a Daisy Cutter, which levels something about the size of 40 acres. Just a reminder of what awaits if they Al Qaida or others start feeling frisky and decide to go on some wild adventure.

No more going door to door and getting sucked into quicksand. We done doing that. Leave us alone.....we leave you alone. A fair trade.

The list of Biden debacles keeps growing. What a fiasco.

The withdrawal catastrophe was no accident. It was planned for to go down like this for several reasons.

The globalist now run our country and their goal is to destroy the US as fast as they can.

The withdrawal is actually a surrender and arming our enemies at the same time. Its the second time Obama/Biden gave the Taliban US military equipment.
It will be used against the US at some time in the future to cripple us even more.

Demoralizes us.

Combined with the open border and the wave of refugees that this will also bring with it, with most likely be the final nail in our coffin.

Fun Fact : Do you know if you type in taliban without capitalizing the "T" my laptop will autocorrect with a capitalization of the "T" for Taliban ,but if you type in trump without capitalizing the "T" it dont care.

It looks like the university of ISIS and Al-Queda are reopening. Wonder if Berny S. will lobby for free tuition.

The pentagon is filled with idiots . Watching history repeating itself. Taiwan should be very worried.

Just can't help yourself, can ya?

Absolutely ! Just look at Hong Kong

We have huge amounts of older, conventional bombs and missiles that we spend millions deactivating every year. We could just use them, if good for our country would come from it.

Keith

What Astan needed was a good dose of William T. Sherman. Sherman's butt kicking is ingrained in all southerners from then to now. He knew TOTAL WAR was bad, but needed to end the war. The last enenmy the US truly defeated was Japan. And the Japs have been good since then. Our problem is the poloticians not allowing the military to carry out a butt kicking like needs to be done. War is a fact of life that many Americans can not handle. It was how our country was founded. Any where humans are there will be war. The only true way to peace is through war, not diplomacy. I will always remember videos of the US pushing helo's over the decks of the aircraft carriers in Nam, the Russians retreating over that bridge leaving Astan. Now it will be that US aircraft going down the airstrip with all the afgans hanging on, scared crapless for their lives.

Al Jazeera reporting the international airport in Kabul has been taken over by the taliban.

I hope all our people are out.

I heard earlier evacs were suspended due to the chaos.
Yet 30k are getting asylum because they worked for us.

If they live long enough to get it!

Interesting article, Ken. I won't argue that Biden is incompetently implementing the withdrawal agreement made by Trump. Biden has bungled the withdrawal, no question.

But the article's author fails to say what ought to be done about Afghanistan. He draws a parallel with Churchill and Chamberlain, but unlike Churchill, the author has no alternative plan.

In fact, I haven't heard an alternate plan from anyone on this thread.

Jim

Link? Not seeing anything about that on Al Jazeera or anywhere.

Very true Jerry.
Angela,
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021...tan-war-over-as-president-diplomats-flee

It was a banner on Al Jazeera News that said "Talban have taken Hamid Karzai International Airport."

I now believe that was premature. They have blocked access to the airport so no more American sympathizers can flee the country but I don't think they've actually taken control of the airport. It is being reported that we have resumed evacuations after temporarily suspending operations due to chaos and violence.

Another recent report I just read says Taliban personnel are inside the airport and that our military have killed at least two of them.


Violence at Kabul Airport


Violence Erupts at Kabul Airport as Afghans Try to Flee Taliban

Mass evacuations follow the insurgents’ capture of Kabul after a rapid sweep of the country

Kabul’s international airport was in the throes of chaos Monday as desperate Afghans tried to flee on departing U.S. jets, Taliban gunmen roamed the terminals, and U.S. troops killed at least two men, a sign of the disorder in the wake of the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan.

U.S. troops flew helicopters low overhead, launched smoke grenades and fired into the air in an attempt to disperse crowds and gain control of the facility, where the U.S. is staging the evacuation of American personnel, thousands of Afghan interpreters, and others who worked for the U.S. and now fear Taliban retribution.

President Biden, in an address to the nation defending his April decision to withdraw U.S. troops from the country as part of last year’s peace deal, acknowledged, “This did unfold more quickly than we anticipated.”

The president is facing criticism from both parties in Congress after expressing confidence for months that the Kabul government and Afghan military could hold off the Taliban. He noted Monday that Afghan’s political leadership had fled the country and the Afghan military had collapsed, in many cases without a fight.

they took over the roads to the airport and are only allowing and are turning back their people .We are trying to evac the ones already in the airport. By the way if they fought the Taliban as hard as they are each other trying to get on the planes they would win.

If the Taliban is so bad for Afghanistan why aren't the Afghans fighting back? Seriously.

If you cant bring America to the Afghanis-just bring the Afghanis to America.

And that's ok, as long as we send them back. The Army used to have a school. called the School of Americas, but the liberals cried and whined about it so they closed it. Bring them to White Sands, NM train them in war tactics and violence, then send them back!

If the US hasn't been able to train them to fight over the past 20 years, how many years you reckon it would take at your school?

Teach them how to fight like Terrorists. Don't teach them to fight like Americans, it didn't work out so good. They need to learn how to make IED's out of goat poop and things like that.

They're like Democrats, no matter what you do to eradicate them, they just keep coming. Like a pestilence.

Meanwhile in other news, our supposed adversaries seem to be doing just fine with their embassies in Kabul. Link below.....

https://news.trust.org/item/20210815124245-lf5o6#:~:text=MOSCOW%2C%20Aug%2015%20%28Reuters%29%20-%20The%20Russian%20embassy,moment%2C%20TASS%20state%20news%20agency%20reported%20on%20Sunday.

As long as they stayed on WSMR under guard 24/7 if they get out they might start or find a training camp like that which was discovered in Taos

he hits the nail on the head



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXtwuO-ZUR0

I just saw the show tonight, yes he does explain perfectly. See the special forces sniper he interviewed….what he said about the horrible generals in the Pentagon…”when was the last time they ever won a war ?” …..he described those money hungry politicians perfectly. They don’t care about the soldiers….only big money keeping a war going.

Very good interview

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...an-real-world-dangerous-biden-incompeten
Saw this earlier today, didn't think of it this way till now!

Tucker nailed it as usual

WI Is going to house some at Fort McCoy. Don't know how many.

link is broken

Still no one with an idea of how to handle our withdrawal from Afghanistan?

What should we be doing instead of what we're doing now?

Jim

We should have never gone in. Taliban is not being slowed because the Afghans dont want to slow them. Dont go to war if your not going to war. We knew this would happen when the first regular Army soldier got off the first plane. Dont act surprised and pretend there is any other option if war is not declared.

To many similarities with Afghanistan & Viet Nam

How about when the Taliban are in the open you remove them from the face of the planet. Doubt we've run out of missiles or jets to deliver them. When all of your people are out, then our killing could stop.
Now if we could go back to 2001 and approach war as if to win it, as Danny has suggested, this wouldn't be happening in the first place

Alexander the Great's army dudes who rebelled against that conquerer of Persia are still making life miserable for anyone wanting to conquer them again.
These millennia old warrior men have brought all who have tried to their knees.
We don't teach much history anymore so inept WH musta thought this would be easy peasy.

Perhaps you are being ignored on purpose. ROTFLMAO!

We could have stayed, probably should have stayed there. Thirty-five hundred of our guys? Barely any hostile acts in recent memory and we were a stabilizing influence. We're in Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Japan and dozens of other places around the globe. We tuck tail and run. The US isn't to be trusted.

Is there any sense trying to explain anything to someone so dumb they didn't see the complete idiot Biden is?

No point in that at all. Best to just ignore the troll.

1) you don’t pull troops during the fighting season. You do it in the winter when the guys you are fighting are with their Pakistani friends. They go there every winter and lay low.

2) you don’t close your best airfield with multiple runways (Bagram Air Base) and try to Evac from a airport that is practically in the middle of a city.

3) you destroy all weapons and munitions before you leave

4) you ensure the safety of the Afghans and their families that have helped you long before you leave. Instead of making them wade through stacks of paperwork and jump ten thousand hurdles of red tape. This also puts allies at ease and shows the world we help those who help us. Or as I heard someone say. “Fly them to Mexico and let them walk into Merrica seems to be pretty easy going that route “

That’s a start and I’m just a dumb farmer

A better American than me for even considering he is worthy of an answer.

Thank you Pawnee for reminding me I have to do better.

I'd take you over Biden in a heartbeat.

It’s not just the Biden Administration, although I agree they are clueless, many heads should roll at the pentagon . But doubt that will happen because the US people love to be lied to, by DC politicians and the deep state bureaucracy.

Very Good Pawnee

I'll try 1 more time. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...l-world-dangerous-biden-incompetence.amp

Thanks Yukon John.

Let them be outraged. That's our new National Pastime.

The subject or prior positions on the subject are irrelevant. Solutions are discouraged.

Pretty fair to at minimum secure the attack helicopters and other armor and maybe even personnel before the withdrawal. Very few people wanted a continuance on the war, they just expected us to get our people and the heavy guns out.

Trump would have likely had a few MOABs on hand ready to go along with a warning with teeth in it and a contingency plan. Leftists suck. Period.

Look at what we've become. Is anyone surprised that half the world is laughing at us and the other half wants us exterminated?

We never could have won there with the way we were doing it that was evident the way it fell in days. The draw down was not done right and could have been much worse. They have the biggest Lithium deposits known of in the world which could be the new oil and China will soon move in and be the best buddy. It is going to be interesting to see what unfolds in years to come.

What's also sad is not a gradual removal of troops, but more like a sudden retreat leaving expensive military equipment for the Taliban.

Rat, I am afraid there are those that are both laughing and wish for us to be exterminated...

A great comment in Yukon Johns link that is extremely relevant.
Just because one side quits and then thinks the war is over does not mean the war is over.
The theatre will come closer to home after a retreat,thats all.

I doubt China will get in there. The Chinese hate Turkic people and because of their treatment of Uyghurs I doubt the local Afghan tribes would allow much less trust Chinese on their lands.

I could see the Russians or even Americans making deals with the Taliban government in a few years. Look at our relationship with Communist Vietnam now.

I am not saying it was done right and I think Biden is a dangerous fool for plenty of reasons. We needed to leave--right or wrong, perfect or imperfect. And we have no moral right or obligation to now use nuclear weapons, MOABs, slingshots or anything else just because we do not like their "new" government--if there is no current threat to the U.S.

And, I am not going to shed one tear for the Afghans. Instead of chasing our planes, they should pick up a weapon if they do not want the Taliban.

Oh yeah, we have enough people. We do not need thousands of Afghans to immigrate here. Send them to Canada.

Yep.

Coulda, shoulda been handled way better. Couldn't have been handled any worse imo.

The Chinese are already building a road from Pakistan into Afghanistan.

Jimmy Carter is giving thanks for Biden's residency.

We need to get our soldiers out. If the beaurcrats are left behind maybe they'll stop supporting these prolonged wars interfering in the internal affairs of foreign countries with the goal of enrichment for a few.

Yes, Biden is worse than Carter. He is the worst President in U.S. history. Always on the wrong side of foreign policy. Over forty years in the senate and two terms as VP with a no accomplisment record. Now he has dementia and being propped up by others. They pull the strings and the puppet jumps. His own party is now turning on him. He has done mote damage to the US than any other president.
Why was he elected:, because of the hated for Trump, not because of his qualities.

He wasn't.

The creep blames everyone else but himself.He should be be removed as he is incapable to perform his job.

What President goes on vacation without any advisors when your going to make probably the biggest military move of your Presidency?

Where's the VP?

Where's his press secretary? (also on vacation)

You can't make this up and to think ....well I better not say it.

They used a stock photo. See how the time is circled on that one? It's because the times were wrong. 2 hour difference between London and Moscow. It's been a 3 hour difference since March.

I believe that, he probably wasn't even briefed on it until they marched him out to read the speech yesterday. Then they sent him back on vacation.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/16/joe-biden-resumes-camp-david-vacation-after-afghan/

Haha. When the election was over, I told my family the only person that was happier than Joe Biden was Jimmy Carter's mother, because he would no longer be the worst president in US history.

That's right. Massive fraud to get to this point. Along with horrible cooperation , and shying away from taking the bull by the horns from in office Republicans , SC and others.

Just like Mark Levin says...." they are using the Constitution to break the Constitution. "

Nope.... Still 2 hours apart.

Could be worse-he could have been watching looney toons on the tv.

Or actually the one in charge.

If that was the case he'd be looking at a mirror. Not a TV !

China keeps their embacy open and embraces the Taliban. Russia to last time I heard, had their embassy open and not evacuated.

Why would his staff want a pic of Biden sitting alone during such a crisis? Did they want us to think "he's got this"?

Releasing that pic is almost as poor a decision as his Afghan failure.

Carter, Obama, Biden, the trifecta.

Why would they?
China has been working with the Taliban for years.The Taliban has helped China as mercenaries in their efforts in Tibet.
And Russia along with Iran supplies and provides the Taliban with military support.Pakistan also is an ally although under the table.Pakistan is also a nuclear power and a notorious exporter of nuclear technology .

Sorry I said that backwards... the clocks showed 3 hours difference. Here's the article on it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...rks-confusion/ar-AANnrgg?ocid=uxbndlbing

If he was it was just reminiscing of when he was a star on that show.

That’ll be a classic. lol

Lol. I know. Even the goat kisser has a glazed look in his eyes..."C'mon man don't mess with me. All I want out of this Afghanistan deal is my pudding cup. Abdula, where the heck is my dam pudding cup?!"

Accurate assessment:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/former-army-ranger-taliban-cow

Is the one Obama released from Gitmo in this picture ?

Sleepy Joe needs to go. He can do his sniffing elsewhere.

You can't see the other TV just out of the picture. He is watching Bugs Bunny cartoons on it !!!

I think he is the one Biden is kissing. Saw his pic in another article.

If you look real close in the top right ,hes watching reruns of trumps speeches.

The President said:

"There was only a cold reality of either following through on the agreement to withdraw our forces or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more American troops back into combat in Afghanistan. Lurching into the third decade of conflict. I stand squarely behind my decision. After 20 years I’ve learned the hard way that there was never a good time to withdraw U.S. Forces. That’s why we’re still there. We were clear-eyed about the risk. We planned for every contingency. But I always promised the American people that I would be straight with you. The truth is this did unfold more quickly than we had anticipated.

"So what’s happened? Afghanistan’s political leaders gave up and fled the country. The Afghan military collapsed, sometimes without trying to fight. If anything, the developments in the past week reinforced that any U.S. Military involvement in Afghanistan now was the right decision. American troops cannot and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that Afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves."

Darned if I can see what's so controversial about these words. Either we're going to pull out, or else continue to put our troops in harm's way and die for a people that won't stand up for themselves.

Nuking them has never been an option, and is ridiculous to mention.

Jim

You didn't do much of a job ignoring me, did you?

Jim

So Biden should repudiate the agreement Trump signed, which said the US would not attack the Taliban and would leave Afghanistan?

Jim

Why not, Biten has repudiated everything else Trump did????

I think the pulse is getting weaker by the day...

Yes, because the Taliban has NOT held up their end of the agreement. Within a year of the agreement being made they've assassinated thousands of Afghans as well as journalists and contractors. The Taliban broke the terms of the deal, so the deal should be off.

The thing I don't understand is why we wouldn't have used our military to hold them out of Kabul until we were able to remove all of our weaponry, and evacuate whoever needed evacuating, and THEN let them have the city.

They agreed not to attack Americans. What term of the agreement did they break?

Would you send our troops back to fight and die for people who won't stand up for themselves?

Jim

I enjoy you too much to ignore you. lol

The US and the Afghans worked in tandem with each other. They were the eyes and ears on the ground and we supplied them with full air support. Many places supplied by air only.

Fake president Biden stopped all maintenance contracts on aircraft and they left them with no air support maintenance.
No supplies means game over in war. They knew it.

The abrupt withdrawal in my opinion is the plan because they will now flood us with middle east refuges' fleeing the war. So we have open borders and fly them in too.

Biden is destroying America as fast as he can for the globalist who pull his strings.

They agreed to intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations with the current (or I guess I should say previous) Afghan leadership. I don't think murdering them in the streets is quite what Trump had in mind.

James you are so gullible.I have a bridge that I would like to sell you. If you believe Biden I feel sorry for you!

With everything else that is going on the logical conclusion is that the folks in charge are doing their best to destroy this country and are having some success. Next thing to fall after this show of utter incompetence, is the Ukraine and Indonesia.

I couldn't care less about Ukraine or Indonesia either. Whatever you are worried about there is, again, not our problem.

No argument from me on the current administration. But we should be concerned about attacks on the 1A, 2A and destruction of our economy--here.

What is controversial is that his very first sentence is a complete lie and many millions of Americans fell for it. Biden wants you to believe he had only two choices. A. Pull out right now.or B. Commit "thousands more American troops back into combat." Baloney !

Neither of those is true by itself but he also omitted choice C. Maintain the status quo with the 2500 troops already in country. No casualties in the last 18 months and no civilians trapped in the embassy or Afghan citizens in danger of reprisal from the Taliban. We would still control Bagram AFB rather than the Taliban controlling it while blocking access to the commercial airport.
Doing nothing was a completely viable alternative.

Meanwhile it would have provided time to plan a rational withdrawal of civilians first, from a completely secured air base....Bagram.

It would have also provided time to confer with allies rather than take unilateral, irresponsible action.

What we have now is complete chaos in country while Iran has stepped up hostile activities throughout the ME in the past week. Also China has taken the obvious signs of weakness and capitulation as permission to threaten Taiwan.

Homeland Security has said that the southern border is completely unsustainable ( this is Biden's guy saying this) and the retiring head of CBP saying today that KNOWN terrorists have been identified crossing the southern border.

How could this be any less controversial. If it weren't for the catastrophe waiting in the wings, I would be in favor of dusting off the 25th Amendment at this point. It should be obvious that Biden is not capable of making decisions that benefit the nation. At least not OUR nation.

How many American tax payer dollars has Biden promised the enemy of America ( Taliban ) to stand down while we pull out ?


Like Obama with Iran ..........we fund our enemies so they can kill us later

Should be nuking the entire Middle East. Sooner or later they will get the bomb over there and they are going to use it. Taking out the people that worship that evil religion would do nothing but help humanity in the short and long term. There is no such thing as a peaceful Muslim.

Yep , the southern border is an absolute disaster of epic proportions .

Biden and his cronies should be jailed for the irreparable damage to the United States of America.

People on here favoring an open border should be ashamed !

I caught a little of the CBS Evening News tonight. Even they had a few tough things to say about creepy joe. That right there is newsworthy.

A slew of veterans are so angry over this whole wrong tactic from the Marxist left , they can hardly contain themselves. From every angle I hear and read .

I haven't seen this level of livid anger since Vietnam .

And they speak from experience .

This whole thing has been so fatally carried out it makes me really feel it all was done on purpose. Lots of info on the Generals in the Pentagon who have always done everything to keep war going, bringing in vast amounts of funds for themselves .

Tonight's show Tucker....he interviews people who are exposing even more depth of detail on this ...they call it the big lie for the past 20 years about what has really been transpiring in Afghanistan . Another eye-opener program.

Ken, your choice C would have required a build-up of troops and they would have started dying again. The reason the Taliban held off on killing US troops was because of the deal Trump struck.

Do you think Trump consulted our allies before making that deal? Trump believed in consulting our enemies (Russia, N. Korea), not our allies. It's funny to hear Trump supporters complain about the current president not consulting allies.

I don't know whether the Taliban's murder of Afghani civilians is a breach of the Trump agreement. If it is, then I would fault Biden for not at least delaying our withdrawal further. He already delayed our withdrawal from the May date Trump agreed to.

The president's response to the southern border is a travesty, but it's not the subject of this thread. I don't see how we could discuss it without wandering pretty far afield.

Jim

I would like to know why in twenty yrs we haven't reduced the Taliban to an insignificant number of sand monkeys.

This is a serious question to those with more knowledge of this so called war than me

Hannity's show right now is giving even more info about it .

Tomorrow night, Tucker will announce more about Omar and how she gained citizenship and her covert activities now . The Hanoi Jane of the Twin Towers .... " Some people did something" ....

She is leaping for joy now over the tragedy transpiring now.

I won't argue that Biden is much of a president. If he missed the chance to protect innocent Afghans from the Taliban's religious fanaticism, he's incompetent for office. If the agreement didn't provide for protection of Afghani civilians, then the incompetence and callousness is on Trump.

But no one except Ken has offered an alternative choice for a president who has inherited the Afghanistan problem from three presidents before him. Choice C would lead the Taliban to take their pledge not to attack US forces off the table. Once our troops started to die and get maimed, we'd have to send more troops to protect them.

That kind of thinking is how we've wound up staying there for twenty years.

Jim

Sickening .......

Why would choice C require more troops than were already there ? The situation on the ground was stable enough to safely evacuate the civilians. As long as the Taliban could see that we were in fact withdrawing, they would have had no reason to upset that apple cart.

I am not arguing for a continued presence indefinitely. Just use the troops on the ground to provide a continuing secure situation to get the non-combatants out. If it wasn't secure why did we have no casualties for 18 months ?

Why did Mark Milley abandon Bagram air base to the Taliban on July 2, 2021 ?? What sort of sense does that make ?

Even Robert Gates, Obama's secdef , said Biden is anti-military and has been wrong on foreign affairs for the last 40 years.

I sure hope we don't need allies among an indigenous population again in the future. I can't imagine another country being willing to help when they get betrayed every time !

Fedex or UPS could have managed this far better than Biden. Absolutely shameful !

Illegitimate elections have consequences !!!

7 months of Biden and his horrible policies on every single level and yet you are still blaming Trump. Truly pathetic.

This is my opinion only, but it is going to sting a lot of folks; as it stings me as well because it breaks my heart.

Our position in the world for the last 200 years is a direct result of our geography, and also the fortitude of our founding fathers; as well as, the people that founded this country and risked everything to do so. This country was able to prosper because the folks that built it risked everything and worked their tails off to make a country principled in God and Family.

We are especially blessed due to our geography. NO other country in the world has and can do what we have here in this country; our resources and geography, and our founding people with there ambitions (Czecshs, Polish, Irish, English, Russian, Italian, etc.); as well as rugged individualism of our trappers and frontiersman made this country. Our geographic location and our natural resources combined with the people that came here to make a better life is what WE have been enjoying for the last two centuries.

Since we are now globalists due to rotten politicians, China, Russia, Turkey, and others cannot self -sustain monetarily without the geographic and agricultural abilities of America. The global powers need this piece of land called the USA in order to rule. The only thing in their way is a majority of the American people.

Now, our politicians have sold us out to our adversaries; the same adversaries and systems that our founding fathers and founding ancestors ran away from to start a new life. The Global powers that are calling the shots is not un-predictable. We have been lied to.

When the Obama administration left Iraq, ISIS took over immediately. When our current administration left Afghanistan, Taliban took over immediately. This is not a coincidence. It is a planned attack on western civilization. Its terrible to say, but I no longer think our government is in the best interest of WE the American people. They are globalists and have been bought by the countries and regimes that have profited off billions due to our natural resources, geography, and work ethic.

Our country is under attack! We are under invasion from our southern border without a shot being fired. Our government cares more about what gender you are than our civilians in other countries.
The enemy is deeply embedded within our country. To think otherwise, is either mis-informed or a culprit to our fall. I’ve had enough. WE the people had better stop these folks, or they are going to burn us to the ground. Their actions speak exactly what their intentions are!

So, Biden couldn't change anything Trump had already agreed to? Where did you get that from?

^^This is true.

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
W was ANYTHING BUT a Christian, Conservative, Republican, etc, etc.
Guess you're ignorant of the term "RINO"????
Doh!!!

Spot on.
Abdicating in Afghanistan may well be America's death knell, just as it was for many other empires.

Same here.

I’ll offer one. You change the agreement like you changed Trumps other agreements (stay in Mexico ring a bell) then like it or not you keep a small show of force that helps the Afghans in the fight. We have more troops in Spain then we do in Afghanistan! Before you do that you don’t insult them and berate them by saying they gave up. No intel, no high quality air cover. They have lost 57,000 men since we turned it over to them in 2015. Asking them to do it on their own is like telling one of us that are families will be killed if we don’t catch a grizzly bear in a week with a Victor 1 1/2.

Without US stinger missiles the afgans would not have beaten the ruskies.
months ago the tali controlled 1/3 of the provinces and had training camps for their 75,000 soldiers....we never bombed one camp. That is not fighting to win the same as nam....not fighting to win, the tactics were controlled by politicians in both places...they knew binladen was in tora bora right after 9/11 and they should have nuked that place and Riyadh. Bush's dad watched the attacks on tv with some saudi business associates...the swamp was deep even back then, has been for decades....USA interests are not first.

Biden was a senator until 09 and then VP until 17 so the idiot should've had a little idea after being there for 16 of the years we were over there...but nope, complete incompetence.

Ken:

"Why would choice C require more troops than were already there ?"

When the Taliban saw we weren't withdrawing as agreed, they'd start attacking our troops. And we'd have to send in more troops to hold our bases and protect our people who were there.

"I am not arguing for a continued presence indefinitely. Just use the troops on the ground to provide a continuing secure situation to get the non-combatants out. If it wasn't secure why did we have no casualties for 18 months ?"

The non-combatants had more than ample time to get out. Trump's original deadline for US troop withdrawal was in May. Biden extended that deadline until now. How much time do they need to get out? How long would you dawdle sucking your thumb, while knowing they'll be coming to kill you? We had no recent casualties because the Taliban agreed in the Trump agreement not to attack US troops.

"I sure hope we don't need allies among an indigenous population again in the future."

Ditto. But I hope even more that my country won't enter into any more ill-advised wars and attempts at nation building overseas.

If I'd served in Iraq, I'd probably feel betrayed. Even more than I do as a US citizen. One of the few things I agreed with Trump on was his stand against foreign wars.

Jim

So how much longer should we stay there?

Jim

jimme doing the two step, dodges the ?.

Its all about importing more immigrants just like I said.

HA! That's an Oldie for sure!!

The left might have just handed the right the mid term elections on a gift platter.

Start sending thank you cards.

Mitch and Lindsey have both proven themselves to be weasels....

This whole Afghanistan blow up, I think is a poorly planned badly botched, deflection operation. The democrats needed to change the narrative in a big way from Joe Biden** and his huge failures at home. At the same time taking attention away from the huge infrastructure bill, with all its hidden pork and mandates. The Taliban put a huge stick in the democrats spokes.

I would hope you are right. But sadly, the left is voting left and the right is voting right. The media will convince the uniformed voters Afghanistan was Trump's fault.

Lets put the blame where it belongs on both parties. If their mouths are moving they are more than likely lying to us the people.

lol.

They have a lock on the system which is why they are so free to do the stupid things they are doing. The midterms will go as they wish.

Enjoy.

If you believe that, you shouldn't bother to vote.

Jim

I’m not.

Enjoy.

(fox)

The U.S. has no plans to evacuate Americans in Afghanistan who are located outside Kabul, according to a report Tuesday.

Officials from various departments — including State and Defense — informed Senate staffers at a Tuesday morning briefing that they do not know of a way to get those Americans through Taliban checkpoints located outside Kabul, the location of the main airport, The Washington Post, reported, citing two Senate aides.

Money money money and more money. Its never been about terrorism. Shades of 1975. Why is everyone acting surprised???????????

That’ll put a damper on future mission trips.

Can someone explain why Americans are still in Kabul all this time, when the US gave plenty of warning that it was pulling out?

Jim

Don't you read any news????

Biden's been saying all along Kabul won't fall so he pulled our military before our civilians.
Now he's begging or as the media calls it, negotiating with the Taliban for these people.

Shameful.

People just don't pay attention! That is fear mongering and nothing but!

Here's our clue:
People NEVER STOPPED living in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Bikini Atoll, Chernobyl, etc.
People live there TO THIS DAY.
Further, people survived the DIRECT EFFECTS of the blasts. Now, most did not, but some did.

So sad when folks cannot even see what's right in front of their faces and instead believe the propaganda over reality.

Note:
Not bashing anyone in particular. Just frustrated since the early 1980s at how folks fall for this anti nuke paranoid, ignorant nonsense.

Essential workers thought they had until the end of the month. It takes lots of coordination to evacuate so many and the Taliban sweep took the inept leaders by surprise.

The white house posted this and I posted some questions.

News just said Taliban will let Americans through the airport check point.
Yea right

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/08/bid...llies-says-congressman-seth-moulton.html

Biden even (almost) fooled a fellow democrat he had a plan.

Moulton wasn't as sure about the afghan military as Biden, as stated in the article.

I disagree completely.

If the Taliban sees us closing down our embassy and sending people home, it would be illogical for them to impede that operation and invite attack through aggressive action.. Even in Vietnam the so-called cease fires were mostly observed by the NVA and VC. I think the Taliban is too smart to make that tactical mistake. Why interfere when you are getting what you want at no cost ?

As far as civilians having prior notice of our leaving, how were they to accomplish that ? They can't just go buy a plane ticket and leave. Especially with Bagram out of operation. I doubt that Afghan civilians have the financial ability to fly out of the country commercially. And...........with Bagram in Taliban hands they have no alternative.

I agree about the nation building baloney. If we decide to get involved in any war, it must have a stated purpose. Once we are there kill every living thing that impedes that goal, regardless of who or what it is.

Then get out and let the remains live under whatever form of government they choose......even if it is 7th century.


The message Biden has sent to Iran, Russia, and China is far more consequential than the events on the ground in Kabul.

In eight months this President has done so much damage to the country that I wonder if we can ever recover. He seems intent on reversing every Trump doctrine. In close to 50 years in Washington his foreign policy ideas have always been on the wrong side. Look at his record on the southern border. He takes credit for developing the Covid vaccines, a Trump accomplishment, and worst of all his disaster in Afghanistan. God help those trying to get out.His son is a bum, but the apple does not fall far from the tree.
Americans elected this man because of their dislike for Trump. Sure Trump was abrasive, but look at his accomplishments, ex. energy independence. Biden quickly reversed that.
Clearly Biden is incompetent. How do you get rid of him? Both parties have turned against him, yet Pelosi still kisses his butt. One final scary thought: this man has his hand on the nukes button!

Something to keep in mind during primaries.....don't nominate someone that will cause such a backlash. I was pleasantly surprised when Trump won but knew it was only going to be for 4 years. Let's not cut our nose to spite our face.

Just heard on the radio these Afghans that helped will be staying at Ft Bliss

With a president like that ya don't need enemies. Boy is he doing the work for them to run the country into the ground. Its tough to imagine what the place will be like once his 4 years are over. Have we passed the point of no return yet I wonder.

Are you really that uninformed?

We have just lost all credibility with other countries.

You must be one of those domestic terrorists they keep yapping about asking things like that.

Why isn't anyone talking about Biden's dementia?

Because he is only a Trojan horse. He is run by the organizations and Marxist left . Bought and paid for by China. What state of mind he is in is irrelevant . Massive fraud got him illegally in the WH.

Pretty much

The COVID drumbeat should knock this off the front page in a day or two. The American people have the attention span of a gnat.

Remind me to buy you a drink when I get the chance!

This is proof that the lefties really don't care if a man is left behind. There was some doubt after Benghazi but this removes it.

Sounds good

I think Obama has him on a leash and a shock collar. When he starts to stammer; he just got shocked.

Yah, remind me too to buy you a drink sometime. You deserve one.

Afghanistan is in chaos and Biden has a press conference to rag on folks for not getting a covid shot...planet of the apes stuff

Wasn’t it Obamer that said, “elections have consequences.” ? He was right, and now the whole world knows why he did not want to endorse Biden.

I saw that Biden was talking and about fell out of my chair when I saw it was about Covid.

Ol' joe sure has done America proud.

But hey, no mean tweets, right James?

Gulp..... Can't believe I'm about to say this.... Hillary would've done a better job.

Thanks Trapper7

Adam after you drink all those drinks that are bought for you, I'll buy you a cup of coffee when your ready to sober up.

She already knows how to dodge sniper fire.

yall are right. this would have never happened under hillarys watch. instead we would be knee deep in iran, syria, or north africa. also would still be in iraq and afghanistan. probably all of the above. maybe russia too.

Fixed it for you.

Plenty of warning? You mean like Dementia Joe emphatically stating just a few weeks ago that the Taliban was incapable of overtaking the country? That kind of warning? Or Milley talking about white supremacy being our gravest danger? So what you are saying is the Americans in Kabul should not have trusted DementiaJoe and General Milley? (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman), most of them probably voted for The Ice Cream Man. Like you

Trump and the Taliban signed the Doha agreement on Feb 29 2020,saying the states would be gone from afghanistan by May 1 2021.

They had plenty of time to leave.

It is no wonder the Taliban blitzed the country.They had plenty of time to organize when Trump stupidly agreed to a date.

Looks like they planned on leaving the Americans there , from what I have been reading from this...



[/b]Biden admin moved to dismantle protections for citizens trapped overseas months before Kabul’s fall: memo[b]

The Biden administration moved in June to dismantle a system designed to protect American citizens trapped abroad — just months before the Taliban took over Afghanistan, stranding thousands of Americans in the Central Asian country.

Fox News has obtained the June 11 memo sent around the State Department which gave the green light on the "discontinuation of the establishment, and the termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)."


The sensitive but unclassified memo was signed by Deputy Secretary of State Brian McKeon, just a couple of months before the Biden administration’s botched troop withdrawal that saw Afghanistan fall under Taliban control.



CCR was formed under Trump-era Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and was tasked with providing "aviation, logistics, and medical support capabilities for the Department's operational bureaus, thereby enhancing the secretary's ability to protect American citizens overseas in connection with overseas evacuations in the aftermath of a natural or man-made disaster."

The bureau could have played a role in the response to the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan, where thousands of American citizens and allies are trapped behind terrorist lines.

A State Department official stressed to Fox News that none of the capabilities provided by the bureau have gone away. That official characterized the bureau as being in its early stages at the time, saying Secretary of State Antony Blinken had requested a review on it soon after he joined the department earlier this year.

The president told ABC News on Wednesday he did not believe the withdrawal could’ve happened without "chaos ensuing."




"When you had the government of Afghanistan, the leader of that government, getting in a plane and taking off and going to another country, when you saw the significant collapse of the Afghan troops we had trained, up to 300,000 of them just leaving their equipment and taking off – that’s what happened," he said.

Trump signed a conditional withdrawal, a May 1 date was subjective to those conditions.

Sounds great. I love coffee

And that boys and girls, explains it all. Ping Chung Ling pulled the strings and the favorite puppet (with a pulse) did his bidding.

Mike

Good! Let China have the Afghanistan problem.

Think they'll be buddies with the Taliban? The Chinese have their own Islamic domestic terrorism already.

Jim

Absolutely they will be. Both China and Russia are allies with terrorists already.

Looks like Marjorie Taylor Greene is filing articles of impeachment

I doubt if he will face an impeachment.
New stories out now that Biden is being set up to be sidelined by his own people for incompetance so Harris can move into the job.This has been the plan all along it seems.

wow -- you haven't been reading the script -- this was all laid out before the election even took place. Anyone who couldn't see this coming is deaf,dumb, and blind. No offense intended to the afflicted.

I agree with Boco's statement. I think that has been the plan all along. The question is how capable or competent is Harris? Her performance, or lack of, is pretty bad also.

Her performance must be good for it to have gotten her to where she is. I'm guessing it took several men to experience her performance in close working relationships to achieve that

They've been trying to throw her under the bus, but they're going to have to get more serious now.

Joe's back in Delaware now, probably has to do some thinking in the basement.

Take a wild guess at how many times he has been back to Delaware in seven months?

P/Farm . Ha ha , right on.

News clip showed Biden interview Biden said US troops will stay as long as it takes to evacuate Americans and he doesn't know how long that will take.

It's like evacuation of Americans was an afterthought.

Does that mean we will stay pasr Aug.31?

It was an afterthought Adam. This President is a disgrace, especially after his press conference and he didn't think enough of the American people to even mention this, but completely ignore questions the American press wanted answers for.

On Tucker Carlson last night Lara Logan stated that everything that is going on in this country and with foreign policy is going according to plan to whomever is pulling the strings in DC. Especially Afghanistan and our southern border. The upper echelon in the military pentagon and state dept. as usual have been lying to the American people all along just like they did in Vietnam Nam.

So get ready for laughing Kamala to take the reigns.

That Tucker show was an eye opener. Here's the show , IF youtube lets it stay ...so much of what Lara said I have suspected all along. The whole show is good, but if you want to see the interview with Lara , move the feed to 17;40 and watch. It is worth every second of bandwidth to see.

I've seriously seen like zero Trump guys wanna talk about this point

I wish Trump was there to see it through, but....

Ill bet you this, it would've went down different.

What's your take on it?

Don't be bashful Wolfie, lots of remarks about people but never say what ya think.

Wolfdog your Commander in Chief is a complete failure. Time to face reality.

I've posted similar. Trump started it and Biden is finishing it. I think Trump would've tripped this up too. With that being said.....I blame the military leaders in addition to Biden. Biden received information from generals that it would take months for the Taliban to be able to control the country again, Biden also received information from the CIA that the Taliban is coordinating and in a position to sweep through the country quickly and with little resistance. Biden chose to take the optimistic advice of the generals who have a vested interest in appearing to be strong and victorious. I rather have a realistic, cautious leader that has enough common sense to understand who his info is coming from and why they would present it the way they do.

O I do and I have but seems sice I never just talk about how much I love or hate Trump or Biden no one can understand what I'm getting at

We'll never know how Trump would've finished this. Biden had a chance at it and failed miserably. He cant blame Trump. Biden hasn't had a problem with changing or stopping any of Trump's other plans. This is ALL on Biden and will go down in history as the defining moment in his 1 term as president...a failure.

Dude anyone with half a brain should be able to tell he shouldn't be in charge of anything that's a given but to completely blame all this on him when the last guy litterly negotiated the deal ,with terrorists may I add ,dosent make sense . And by the way I've been out since February so he's not my commander in chief

Trump handed Biden a bag of chit, and Biden didn't know what to do with it.

Jim

That's my point, ya just say things without any dialog.

Ya brought it up, I said what I thought and asked your opinion. I don't see Pompeo leading Trump down like Biden's people did to him. Or... Biden is just completely gone but like I said, ill betit would've gone down different with Trump in there.

From your posts James, you know squat.

It might have wound up differently if George Washington had been in there.

Too bad honorable people don't run our government anymore.

Jim

From your posts, hippie, it's clear you can't post original thoughts and so resort to memes and other people's words.

Jim

You don't like Trump because even he has more humility than you when he's wrong.

Are you saying I need to say something like " I really don't like Biden but.... " ?

When has Trump ever admitted to being wrong?

When have I been wrong and wouldn't admit it?

And when have you ever been right?

Jim

I wish we had a pic of you so we could make memes. LOL!

Thanks for the warning. You won't catch me posing for a photo from now on.

Jim

some folks just drag the forum down....^

Like a cancerous see-n-say playtoy.

That's why I asked what you thought. You said no one wanted to talk about Trump and his deal so I stepped up.

Here's more of my thoughts on it...

Biden had no trouble reversing everything under his power that Trump had done, why not this??? The "deal" as its called it was already broken IF May was when we were to be out.
Do you think that's why Biden left our people behind, to keep Trumps promise? I don't.

The argument Trump left this bag for Biden is hogwash like James like to use. Even the liberal media is above trying to use that as an excuse.

Hiipie, yes it was.

great interview with Lara.

Wolf here is an interview with Hannity and Trump

https://hannity.com/media-room/trump-bidens-withdrawal-is-the-greatest-embarrassment-in-us-history/

There is no excuse for leaving all our equipment behind . It should have been scuttled if not brought back.

The Biden fans need it both ways Hippie- IDK how many times I will need to repeat this but that is the way it is

Hippie…. Great post. You would have thought the Demos would have learned their lessons electing Jimmy Carter. We will see American hostages for next 58 years. 22 year old Americans that are hostages , life expectancy 80 years. That equals 58 years of being a hostage. Instead of counting every day we have Americans held hostage like under President Carter now we will be counting years Americans will be hostages under President Biden.
I guarantee President Trump would have not let this happen. I hope United States can hold it together despite Biden screwing every thing up now and the next 3 1/2 years. Trump will win by a land slide next election if American can last that long. MD

This is the interview I was thinking of too. Saw this last night. I have heard veterans describe almost word for word as our President described ...white17 also described the very same step by step actions , earlier in this thread, that Trump spelled out last night. The fact that he even wants to do interviews shows how much he cares about our country. I see it in his eyes and expressions. He could just wave it all off .

I'd like to see how many others could do all the things he did as President while having a pack of hyenas snapping at him from every side , as the Marxist left have done. And as the insightful interview that Tucker had with Lara Logan last night, there are huge undercurrents from sources who have known all along how to do this right, but have done nothing to keep conflicts going for tremendous monetary gain. All those tsunami-like oppositions made it very difficult to get anything done.

If we knew how much was taken over it would amaze you. I hear the sat's are watching the tali bring the stuff into pakistan.

I heard 165 planes/helos. For example, the unit cost of the Army's UH-60L Black Hawk is $5.9 million while the unit cost of the Air Force HH-60G Pave Hawk is $10.2 million.

Body count, I agree. When my uncle came back from Desert Storm he brought a cattle trailer full of surplus to us. They were just going to toss it so it brought it to us. We kept a lot of stuff but had to sell the rest.

Sharon, you're absolutely right, you can see it in his eyes. Come to think of it I have seen very little of former presidents talking about this nightmare. I think Bush gabe a statement which was a generic statement at best. Trump is willing to sit down and talk about this is great. He accomplished so much while being nipped at from the hyenas. The media was serving cake and ice cream to Biden the entire time until this nightmare unfolded. Now they are scolding him, but for how long?

Biden has been totally incompetent in implementing Trump's deal with the Taliban. But rather than place all the blame on either one of those yo yo's I think you need to go back to the president that first got our forces placed in Taliban without any clear plan or any idea when or how we would declare victory and pull out. What can the generals do when there is no plan?

Us placing a puppet regime in Afghanistan was ridiculous from the start. Never had a chance.

Bush II deserves the most blame for the Afghanistan disaster.

Then Obama did nothing for eight whole years. He just shuffled troops in and out without accomplishing anything.

Then Trump makes a deal to withdraw by May 1, and immediately releases 5,000 of the Taliban leaders and worst of their lot.

Now Biden is handed off the ball, and fumbles it.

Pretty disgraceful record for all of them.

Jim

But it was totally Biden that left Americans behind. that's the biggest shame of all. And left in haste so we would be guilted into importing Afghan refugees by the millions and continue destroying the country as fast as he can.

That was the plan as you can now clearly see. Just turn on any channel MSM and they are now saying we need to take in millions of Afghanis.

Biden wasn't part of the Obama administration?

The Trump agreement said the US would leave by May 1, but Biden extended the deadline until now. Just how much notice did American citizens need to GET OUT OF DODGE?

Jim

The pathetic part is.....Why was the ball handed to someone who you KNEW would fumble it

I think you are all wrong. IMO it’s the American people who are to blame , for we are willing to continually send our sons and daughters off to fight these conflicts that are un- winnable because of lying politicians and inept generals . We all know who trains and supplies the Taliban,
the Pakistan Military, and who funds the Pakistan military ? We do. All this crap like Lara Logan said is not that complicated. But the permanent bureaucracy wants us to believe it is, because they are the so called experts. Like everything else it all about the MONEY.

biden said the afgan army would hold the line so Americans were not given any notice to get out....

Ship goes on the rocks it’s on the captain, even if he’s in the bunk . And there should be a contingency plan for each potential scenario .

Taiwan is next....

You will see the dominoes start to drop in succession,one after the other in the near future.

The old Domino Theory? Surely you jest.

Jim

Again......why are we not mad at the Generals and the ambassador?

I have to agree with that. The remaining question is, when did the ship go on the rocks?

Jim

Ship went on the rocks when we entered the very first time, and continued to have sand thrown on it from then on.

If a country's own people will not fight to defend it ,even with supplied military aid above and beyond what's needed to stop the attackers, that country is doomed to die eventually.

If the election wasn't stolen by Biden. Trump would of been there and done a orderly withdrawal. No doubt in my mind. No Americans would of been left behind.

24 pages of bashing Biden when Trump and Pompeo cut a deal with the Taliban. Did anyone really believe these thugs could be trusted to keep their word.

I laugh at the hypocrisy here. If in the past anyone criticized Trump the thread was deemed Political and was deleted.

Beeman, I agree with your first paragraph.

But not your second paragraph. Threads get deleted when they become uncivil. No hypocrisy involved.

Jim

Afghanistan shouldn't even be a country with a centralized government. It is a bunch of little fiefdoms controlled by warring tribesmen and has been that way forever. We expect everyone to want a democracy and freedom. Those people are still too backwards to understand those concepts so why would they fight for it. Throw in a fanatical theocracy and corruption as a way of life and the end result is predictable. The same thing could be said for most countries in the region. We will never change them and it will be generations, if ever, for them to change themselves.

The ball is your court lefties but you sure don't want to handle it. lol

I've seriously seen like zero Trump guys wanna talk about this point[/quote]


I thought I offered a a point on that pg.20

He didn't agree to a "date". That was a conditional date. It wasn't set in stone as Trump etc. have explained. If you think there is evidence that Trump set a firm date and didn't set conditions and those calls or General Milley himself hasn't leaked those to the MSM...then I don't know what you're smoking. This is all on DementiaJoe. The withdrawal is all his.

Military planes missing from afganistan but our secretary of defense Austin is on it, Trying to find out how many and where they went....

Twitter bans afgan government but taliban is allowed...

Lying Libs coming out of the woodwork. The deal that Biden carried out was not Trump and Pomeo's deal. You can continue to claim it is and continue to expose yourself as the fool you are!

Doesn't much matter what happened before, this one is squarely on ol' creepy joe.

People blaming Trump .......lol

Trump's plan included consequences


With China schmoe the Taliban is partying like Rock Stars

Semantics-Taliban dont play semantics-they knew the date and knew the meaning of the date-they broke the ageement from day one with no consequences.

Trump's plan was conditional and consequences were established. That's why I posted his interview with Hannity. You could hear it from the horses mouth or the donkey rear end media.

What consequences?
The Taliban broke the agreement from day one with zero consequences-like i said-semantics.The taliban knew the states wanted out at any cost and there would be no consequences as they continued to attack the afghan forces.

Biden wakes up every morning at 10:00 am and takes a phone call from Obama to find out what to do that day.
On every subject , from what tie to were to policy he should make. It’s obvious that the Military Generals , CIA , etc all were waiting for Biden to make a Presidential decision. He had 7 months to come up with the plan but he was to out of it to even discuss with his advisers on what to do. Biden cannot focus on a complex problem for 15 minutes. To many moving parts for him. So you get unelected people calling the shots and this is what you get. I bet you can not find a Zip drive in Washington DC today because they are sold out to Biden advisers keeping every email they ever sent. If Biden is willing to give 10,000 Americans a death sentence in Afghanistan with out a Moments thought what do you think is going to happen to his military advisers over this ? . He is already putting the blame on every one but himself. Get ready for 58 years of American hostages in Afghanistan and the Taliban using all of our weapons against us. Just think of all small weapons like Ar15 rifles , ammo , night vision thermal vision , humvies they have taken in the last 7 days. Not counting all the aircraft. I am sure China is looking and digging into all of our aircraft right now. Biden has Alzheimer’s let’s hope his wife steps up and confirms it says he has to step down for health reasons and the good of the country. The problem is look who will take his place ….we are in a world of hurt right now. MD

Taliban was sleeping after the tentative agreement with them, however they woke up when Biden announced the leaving in full

Some people just can't understand that and continue to pound on Trump.

Got to give them credit for stating their opinion, false as a True Democrat can be !!

Did you even read the doha agreement???
It clearly states the Taliban will assure a ceasefire with the afghan govt forces and enter into peace talks toward a coalition govt with them.No such thing took place.The Taliban continued to take territory and did not enter into any peace talks with the afghan govt.
Trump agreed to pull all US people out in 14 months and not to interfere in any afghan affairs in the interim.
The Taliban had their date and ramped up accordingly for their Blitz.
Trump did nothing because he did not want to be seen as being responsible for breaking the doha agreement by interfering in afghan domestic affairs.

if there were going to be any so called consequences for the Taliban breaking the agreement it should have taken place about 3 days after the agreement was signed when the Taliban was attacking and routing afghan army and not lviing up to the ceasefire and peace talks agreed to.

The taliban got what they wanted including the release of their fighters and a date for the west to leave and carried on with buisness as usual.

Creepy joe has already placed blame elsewhere and moved on to covid again. What a guy, that joe.

A quote from former presidential candidate " at this point what difference dose it make"

A lot of people will die and we gave the enemy hundreds of millions of high tec military hard ware. But Americans should not have semi autos in our country.

If we could get past the narrative of my guy vs your guy and see both are the same being bought and paid for then maybe just maybe we would have a chance.

But I see little hope of that.

The Biden State Department moved in June to cancel a program overseeing the protection and evacuation of American citizens stationed overseas in the case of an emergency, just as the Taliban was taking over Afghanistan, according to an internal State Department memo obtained by the Washington Free Beacon and multiple sources familiar with the matter.

The Biden State Department moved to dissolve the Trump-era crisis response program, according to an internal State Department memo and sources familiar with the matter. That memo, which was marked sensitive but unclassified and was signed by Deputy Secretary Brian McKeon, approved the “discontinuation of the establishment, and termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR),” a new State Department entity created during the Trump administration to coordinate emergency response services overseas.

Boco…. Does not matter what was agreed on by who. Even Trump. Trump has backed out of so many contracts in his life. My God the man has filed bankruptcy I think 2 times and divorced 2 times. What makes you think Trump would not stand up and say I don’t care what I signed or any one else. If 1 American is not allowed to leave your god forsaken country I will turn your Country into a giant sheet of glass. I will drop the big one on you.
Taliban knew it too that’s why we had no problem until Biden got in. Does any one really think that Trump would turn his back on 10,000 Americans behind enemy lines. I am afraid you Demos are on wrong side of the argument here. You look foolish trying to defend Biden actions. America will suffer for a long long time because what Biden did this week and its not even close to being done with. No telling what Biden will do next. Maybe fill 2000 duffle bags with 100 dollar bills and give it to the taleban like Obama did. We sure got are moneys worth on that deal.
As you can tell I am fired up on this issue. I have a friend that was a translator in military and has close friends and distant family in Afghanistan. It’s a bad deal for sure. MD

https://www.foxnews.com/world/talib...hanging-people-who-worked-with-us-source

I wonder how long till the chinks hit Taiwan?

If I was them I’d be nervous about now and if I was China I’d go right now.

Looks like Biden believed everything, things are so much better now Ya know. LOL

If thousands of Americans are now stuck behind enemy lines, then Biden owes it to the American people to account for how that happened. Were they warned, and given every chance to get out? Was our government restricting or delaying their departure?

Did someone make a miscalculation? Who did, and what is being done to rectify it?

We should also protect those who worked with us and get them out as soon as possible.

Hard to believe this exit was planned for. Heads should roll.

Jim

So your saying it can be done but they keep saying it cannot be done? Got it.

This will answer a lot of your questions. If it was on a different platform I would provide the link. This is the only place I've seen it.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMRF8gak8/

Ol dad

biden said the afgan army would hold the line......pretty simple where the buck stops unless your a horses backside.

guarantee you the state dept gave no get out of afgan warning before the 8/10...thats when the US embassy warned americans to leave afgan. Less than a week's warning.

For once we agree James it may snow in H€ii tonight

I blame the following people, in this order of culpability:

1. The cowardly, treacherous Afghan army, for setting a new record for surrendering to the enemy.

2. Bush II. For getting us into that quagmire, in his hubris that we could bring democracy to a people yearning for the light.

3. Obama. Had eight years to solve the problem, to get us out with order, but was too spineless to deal with it. Easier to just tread water--WHILE PEOPLE DIED AND GOT MAIMED--and leave the problem to his successor. Obama's name should come up every time the subject of Afghanistan is raised.

4. Biden. For failing to make a competent exit plan after seven months in office. He delayed the exit once, from May 1. What in heaven's name has he been doing since? Was anybody working on it? (I've never been a Biden fan, but this is one more reason not to like him.)

5. Trump. For making a bad deal at Daha. (Ironic.)

Jim

^LOL.....maybe you can get on an msn news show as an analyst.

afgan army theme song:

Wow!

Heard that today. James will probably say it was Trumps fault

If true, bad move, Joe!

Jim

Just think James....you were wishing for this leadership change since Trump was sworn in. Don't start complaining about him now. lol

I've been trying to figure out if it's true or not. If it is, the MSM isn't touching it. This is supposedly Trump's statement on it:

Anyone with a pulse.

Why do we argue with fools? We have tried arguing/convincing with them. They see us as hopeless and ignorant, and the wind blows both ways. I'm done with it.

Bye-bye.

Jim

https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...libans-new-us-made-war-chest-2021-08-19/

Foreign policy nightmare, sticking it to our Allies.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flash...escuing-their-citizens-in-kabul-reports/

Not so good speeches about Bidens handling in the U.K. Parliament also. Holding Biden in contempt.

https://www.westernjournal.com/unpr...ful-catastrophic-afghanistan-withdrawal/

Pretty bad when the French have more balls than America.

Certainly not done with this thread, but rather the fools that live in this country and then bash it. By done with it, I mean I am through trying to reckon with and appease these idiots. It will soon be a really bad day for them.

Only a complete fool would think this that this debacle was anything other than intentional. Giving over all of our weapons and technology is exactly what this administration wanted to take place. They could have sent airstrikes or drone attacks in to demolish our equipment over there; but they did not. During Desert Storm, I know that tank commanders had direct order that if their tank failed and they had to leave it then they had orders to call in airstrikes to destroy it so it would not fall into enemy hands.

This situation is intentional, deliberate, and disgraceful.

Seeing those SOBs on TV walking around with M4s really ticks me off!

Apparently Biden is making Americans pay $2000 to get evacuated and then will get reimbursed. That's IF the Americans can make it to the airport.

Benghazi looks like a smooth operation compared to this

https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/19/...3vGUWXujiH5uzUvwsl5YvVUPFA_9I7l8h5qy-DxQ

So, if an American media member is in Afghanistan reporting and making money for its news outlet the American taxpayer should pay the bill for their flight home? What about an American businessman? Government workers and soldiers fly free.

The real question is how much free crap do you think the American taxpayer should hand out?

I think since their lives are now in danger due directly to the ineptness of the US gov't, the least they could offer is free ride out of the chitstorm they created.

The U.S. government forced them to go to Afghanistan?

X2 Angela.
Blaine, in some cases yes the government sent them there to work.

Blaine, look at how many Afghans got a free ride out of there. Of the 700 on the plane that first left only 150 Americans were on it, the rest were Afghanistan's. Americans should have been priority 1

Can you provide one credible example of a U.S. Citizen that was sent to Afghanistan by the U.S. Government that had to pay his/her way there and back? And, I am not talking about paying for travel upfront and then submitting it for reimbursement (the way most of us with jobs travel for work).

Yep, weakest we've ever been it seems. Leaderless at all positions. To busy teaching crt and wokeness.

Seriously?? Who cares how much it costs to get anybody out of that wreckage? I can think of dozens of other worse examples of how our govt throws away American taxpayer money

Seriously. I choose to live in Tornado Alley. I didn't ask the government pay for my storm shelter. I know some here get them comp'd by the government. I am opposed to that too.

Nobody forced the media, business people or whoever made the stupid decision to go there. They would have paid to come home for Christmas or whenever. They can pay to come home now. I'm not saying leave them there....and I am not talking about military or government workers.

BC just cause you feel no need for help and choose your way of life, does not mean thats how everyone who lives in this country lives, there are mitigating circumstances for everyone to survive that does not match others decisions to be where they are.

Does not mean that they fail your standards either !!

After public outrage the Biden State Department backtracked on this regulation later in the day on Thursday.

I'm fine with leaving the media there.

Mike

Did you miss where I said I do not want to leave them there? They can simply pay their way home--like they paid their way there.

Nickels and dimes add up. There is a culture of free crap in this country--including free passage for people that chose to be in a warzone. Bring them home. Let them pay with frequent flyer miles, credit cards or whatever.

As for standards, I am convinced this site is full of democrats at heart parading around as republicans.

The Taliban dont believe in that live and let live nonsense.
They dont believe in multiculturalism of the left.
They are hard core right wing dictators who have stated that their goal is world wide Islamic domination and sharia law.
They have a lot of support in the world form millions that are on the same page while we freedom loving people constantly bicker among ourselves over petty insignificant(in the big picture) political differences.

You must have missed where I said they don't have to match your standards either to survive !!

You actually think that these people over there are going to have a free chance to get on a plane to get home LOL once they start waving bills just to get on a plane if they can even get to the airport, it's over for them !

You are as bat crazy as your standards if you do !!

I think we should send more over there to make sure it is well reported.

I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say.

You are so mean!

Nah, I see the media as a bigger threat than the Taliban could ever be.

We've been waging war on the wrong bunch.

Mike

There are many internal threats much, much bigger than the Taliban.

WOW-you are so dozy when it comes to underestimating your enemy.
Right now they(Taliban) are controlling who gets to the airport in Kabul,and are seeding the 20,000 refugees heading to the west with who knows how many Jihadist terrorists.
911 will be a footnote compared to what is coming.

See another thread where I said we should send the Afghans to Canada. I've spent a lot of time in Calgary. Y'all love that kind of immigration.

And whose plan do you think that was? And who is the mouthpiece that sold that plan to the American people?

You and I understand that picking up a rattlesnake is a bad idea... But there are millions who would do it if a talking head on CNN said it would be fine.

Mike

Some people here were just as bad as the media, doing the bidding the last 5 years for what we ended up with now and they're still flapping their gums like they know what's best.

Sadly it is a necessity.

I just read this statement on another site. Who is the author speaking to?

“Our culture has to change. Our society has to change. Our mindsets have to change. We as people must change.“

What is the American culture supposed to change into?

If I am surviving and doing well, why does my mindset need to change?

Cue the broken record.

I'm saying that it's not a political or monetary issue to get our country men out of a country who has been taken over by people who would behead them for a difference of opinion, much the same as you would leave them there because you feel they should pay to get out.

Does Benghazi ring a bell ??

When you don't have a clue as to why or how they entered in the first place.

I can see them paying after they return if the circumstances see fit, but to leave them there under this regime is sure slaughter !!

Dude. Again, I am not saying leave them there.

Uhmm looks like you wish to make them pay, maybe you can break this down to something different ?/

I'm saying they should be able to be helped home or rescued regardless, then if the circumstances show they failed to take warning or do something about leaving in a timely manner, they should have to pay the costs.

I don't see that in your statement of , not ?

Would you pay to fly Chris Cuomo home or would you require CNN to pay the cost of his rescue flight?

https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran...0buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

For all the "Biden was following Trumps plan apologists" Kash Patel is a true patriot! Biden is a clown! You voted for Biden you own this clown show.

Wow.... he really laid it all out there!

It was working.
Now for the Biden apologists to ..................

Please don't be a democrat and try to deflect from just answering my question, you so eloquently have ignored doing so !

Before the pull out there was 2,500 troops there, now there is 6,000

They should have left them be. We have 28,000 troops in South Korea, thousands in Germany. We're building up in Africa. They blew the lid on the place.

The images and videos of the mothers and fathers trying to throw their babies over the wall to US and UK soldiers is heartbreaking. I cannot even begin to fathom the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) that these people are about to go through. Absolute desperation. We could have left 2-3K troops over there indefinitely to protect the airbases and also have the ability to launch attacks, just like we do all over the world. Giving up Bagram AFB was ridiculous.
The video that Sharon posted with Tucker and Lara is eye-opening. Its sad that we live in that evil of a world, but it appears that we do. Good men and women must rise up.

Yep.

Its sad

Now that they figured out just how inept Biden is, they're gelling us when we'll be out by.

Biden and everyone involved with this plan should be court martialed and charged with Aiding The Enemy

You got that right

I hope to God that the people in that video Adam are our US citizens, Afghan women and children, the elderly, and the men and women that helped us out.

Sure hope they aren't mostly fighting age men that are about to be shipped all over the place. Heard on the news this morning that Southwest and American Airlines made a deal with the government to help fly the refugees to locations across the US and elsewhere.

Interesting that you bring up "fighting age men"... Swift Air has a fleet of planes making many trips a day from all the central american countries to the US. Bringing them in right over the border. I saw a cell phone video from Lauflin? air base where military aged males were separated out and are being sent to certain cities across the US. And this has been going on for quite some time...

The Taliban said they will start lobbing American bombs into that sea of humanity on sept 01.

"Elections have consequences."

Why is the rest of the world supposed to make room for people who won't fight for themselves? Women children yes but the rest not so much. All the countries of the world need to take care of their own first. I'm sorry but how do you help people who won't stand for themselves?

They sold the idiots a sick mule that they knew it was sick all for the power with zero concern for the damage that would be done, keep in mind this is only year 1 of 4. The Vice President left the Country while the President was on vacation during this mess how incompetent can they really be?

The trolls are staying under their bridges still indefensible positions are tough to defend.

If they are able but won’t, you put them out of their misery.