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Animals starving to death, is this action cruel? #725953
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Excuse me but these folks are more interested in hate mongering humans that would offer a HUMANE cull. They would prefer to watch an ecosystem destroyed by animals that would eventually starve to death slowly and painfully. Thus it is evident they hate monger the only humane deaths available and could care less that the animals starve to death as more animals compete for less food.


Melbourne Herald Sun (AUS)

Protest to spare cull roos
Peter Jean
May 19, 2008
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23718419-662,00.html

ANIMAL liberationists are threatening to act as human shields to
prevent a kangaroo cull on military land.

Killing pens and refrigerated trucks were in place yesterday at a
former navy transmission station in Canberra, ahead of the planned
culling of about 400 kangaroos over the next few days.

The cull will be carried out to protect rare grasslands and plants and
the threatened perunga grasshopper and golden sun moth.

The kangaroos will be stunned with tranquilliser darts and then given
lethal injections.

The cull has earned the ire of international vegetarian group Viva!
(Vegetarians International Voice for Animals) and its celebrity
backers, including Sir Paul McCartney.

Animal Liberation spokesman Bernard Brennan said yesterday that
protesters, who were heading to Canberra from Melbourne, Sydney and
Queensland, were willing to act as human shields to protect the
kangaroos.

"We're talking about professional people and housewives," he said.

"We're talking about lovely ladies in their 50s and 60s who haven't
been very (politically) active in their lives, and now they're talking
about walking out in front of dart guns."

About 200 kangaroos will be spared and allowed to remain on the site.

The Defence Department considered relocating kangaroos to another site
but said the estimated $3.5 million cost was too expensive.

But protesters believe culling will be almost as costly.

Studies carried out for the ACT Government recommended against
relocation because of the potential distress it could cause kangaroos.

The timing of the culling operation is likely to be dependent on the
weather because dart weapons lose accuracy in windy conditions.

Canberra police have forbidden the use of firearms during the cull
because the site is close to homes.


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Australia starts kangaroo cull, activists vow action
By Rob Taylor
Fri May 16, 2008 2:21pm BST
http://uk.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUKSYD29643520080516?sp=true

CANBERRA (Reuters) - Australia's military began culling hundreds of
kangaroos at a defence base near the nation's capital on Friday,
enraging animal rights activists who vowed to stop the killings.

Authorities say the animals threaten other local species through overgrazing.

A handful of protesters were watched by police on Friday. "We are
expecting hundreds of people and if they start killing them we'll be
going inside the fence. We will have a 24-hour guard on them," said
Wildlife Protection Association spokesman Pat O'Brien, adding the cull
could damage tourism.

The eastern grey kangaroos, which feature on Australia's coat of arms,
are living on a military communications base on the outskirts of
Canberra.

Defence spokesman Brigadier AndrewNikolic said around 400 out of
nearly 600 kangaroos at the 200 ha (495 acres) site would be killed
after the government ruled out a resettlement programme as too
expensive.

After more than a year of indecision amid international protests,
including one by a British animal protection group using the face of
former Beatle Paul McCartney, military chiefs said they had no option
other than to kill the native animals.

"It is humane treatment and in accordance with the contract. It has to
comply with the national code of practice for humane destruction of
kangaroos," Nikolic said.

McCartney in March appeared on a website set up by the British animal
welfare group Viva! to condemn the cull and protect the kangaroos from
"shameful massacre".

Viva!, or Vegetarians International Voice for Animals, launched a
Europe-wide campaign against the cull, attracting thousands of protest
signatures from Spain, Britain, the United States, Switzerland,
France, Canada, South Africa and Germany.

In 2004 there was an international outcry over the shooting of 900
kangaroos at a dam supplying water to Canberra. The animals were
causing erosion problems through grazing.

(Editing by Michael Perry)


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Sense they are going to shoot with tranquilizer darts first, I'd love to see a video of that. Protesters sound asleep all over the ground while they finish off the kangaroos.

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Why don't they just do it instead of publicizing first?

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Buck,

Maybe they will lethal inject a few of the protesters as well while they are at it.

-TJ


Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything, but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs.

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Works for me!


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Re: Animals starving to death, is this action cruel? [Re: Top Jimmy] #726086
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y don't they just do it all at once with a 7mm or somethin?? thatd be cheap


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Said it's to close to houses. Guess they don't have good snipers over there.


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Re: Animals starving to death, is this action crue [Re: Boomhawr] #726326
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They are wasting the meat to as you can not feed animals flesh that has been euthanized in this method . Wasteful sick society we are living in today.

Also note the claims by the AR wing nuts. Relocation is supposed to be around 3.5 million which is only taking a problem from one area and making a problem in another area anyway. But the AR idiots are claiming it would take almost 3.5 million to execute 400 animals. What are they using Smart Bombs or Cluster Bombs?? No lie is to large or foolish for the ARA to offer.


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Sir Paul doesn't actually pay to save animals as he is more in tune with denying others from making a living for harvesting animals.

AFP
Kangaroo cull will not damage Australia's reputation: FM
May 20, 2008
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g2Gtsu-Glh7GjyPh0ShZ5At3837A

CANBERRA (AFP) — Australia's international image will not be damaged
by a controversial cull of wild kangaroos on government land in the
capital, Foreign Minister Stephen Smith said Tuesday.

Asked whether killing the hopping marsupials, which appear on the
country's coat of arms, would harm Australia's reputation, Smith said:
"No, I don't think it will."

The Department of Defence said it ordered the cull of about 400
eastern grey kangaroos, which began Monday, as a last option after the
animals overcrowded the site in Canberra, threatening endangered flora
and fauna.

The killing of the iconic creatures has been attacked by some animal
rights groups who say Australia, which this summer led international
criticism against Japan for its annual whale hunt in the Southern
Ocean, should relocate them.

Smith said the kangaroo cull, which involves tranquilising the animals
before euthanasing them with a lethal injection, would be judged on
its merits.

"The relevant authorities here have an argument, a scientific and
environmental and a sustainability argument, which will stand or fall
on its own merits," he told reporters in Canberra.

Animal rights activists, who plan to ask former Beatle Paul McCartney
to help save the lives the iconic animals by helping fund their
removal to another area, have vowed to protest against the cull which
could take five weeks.

Two protesters attempted to disrupt the process on Tuesday, entering
the site and disturbing a small number of kangaroos which had been
sedated as part of a fertility trial, a defence spokesman said.

"The actions of the protesters frightened and agitated the kangaroos,"
Brigadier Andrew Nikolic said.

The department called off the cull earlier this year after a public
outcry, but last week said it had to call in contractors to kill the
animals because the government had deemed a relocation plan too
expensive.

The animal welfare group RSPCA said it was confident the killing of
the national icon was humane and was the only option after a decade of
neglect of the problem.

Environment Minister Peter Garrett also backed the cull, saying it was
the correct action to take given the kangaroos were eating all
available foliage in the area and placing other species at risk.

"A properly-administered humane cull, difficult as it is, is the right
course of action," said Garrett, the former lead singer with protest
rockers Midnight Oil.

Despite being the national animal, millions of kangaroos are
slaughtered in the wild each year to control their numbers and much of
the meat is used for pet food. Most Australians have also eaten
kangaroo, recent research found.


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ARA idiots target wrong kangaroos and screw up biological study on fertility injections.

The Australian
Activists try to save the wrong Canberra kangaroos
Christian Kerr
May 21, 2008
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23733058-5013871,00.html

ANIMAL activists attempting to stop Canberra's controversial kangaroo
cull were embarrassed yesterday when two protesters entered the site,
only to try to save the wrong kangaroos.

The protesters had broken into a Canberra defence property in a bid to
disrupt the controversial culling of more than 400 kangaroos but
targeted the wrong animals.

Defence said that instead of stopping the cull, they frightened and
agitated a group of kangaroos that had been sedated and were due for
release from a fertility trial.

The culling resumed yesterday afternoon after an estimated 40
eastern-grey kangaroos were euthanased by defence contractors on
Monday.

The kangaroos were gathered in a pen at the former naval
communications property at Lawson, in northern Canberra, before being
moved into an enclosure to be put down.

"The actions of these protesters stressed a small number of kangaroos
that had been capture darted," defence spokesman Brigadier Andrew
Nikolic said.

"These particular kangaroos are part of the defence fertility trial
and were recovering from sedation prior to release."

The controversy over the cull again threatened to go global, with
Foreign Minister Stephen Smith yesterday forced to defend the move.

Former federal environment minister and owner of a sanctuary in NSW
Barry Cohen slammed the activists protesting against the culling of
kangaroos on defence land in the ACT.

"What we're dealing with is the ratbag element of the conservation
movement," Mr Cohen told The Australian.

"What makes 400 kangaroos so special? What about the other three
million that are going to be killed this year?"

Additional reporting: AAP


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Like to get this straight shooter no nonsense reporter doing articles here in North America.


Melbourne Herald Sun
Blubbering activists whale about roo cull
By Gary Linnell
May 20, 2008 12:00am
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23728170-5007146,00.html

THERE are countless unimaginable cruelties being unleashed around the
world at the moment, and just as many reasons to get angry.

So let's do the numbers.

In China, 50,000 are dead and hundreds of bodies of schoolchildren
remain under rubble after last week's earthquake, many the victims of
corrupt officials and shonky builders.

In Burma, the final death toll may pass 200,000 and more are homeless
and starving because their paranoid and venal militia government
refuses to open its borders to relief efforts.

But folks, reserve all your anger for a local travesty.

Australia, the home of the cruel and inhumane, has embarked on a
massacre already triggering international headlines and condemnation
that will, according to some, forever tarnish our reputation and hurt
our tourism industry.

That's right. Four hundred kangaroos are to be culled just north of
Canberra. The horror, the horror.

Little wonder a coalition of more than 30 animal rights groups has
been gathering in the nation's capital doing its best to whip up a
tide of shame and disgust at the notion that we are slaughtering 400
of our most iconic animals.

"Nobody would seriously think that Australia has any right to
criticise Japan for its whaling while we are killing 3½ million
kangaroos every year for dog food," says Pat O'Brien, the fearless
leader of the National Kangaroo Protection Coalition.

Putting aside the fact that Australia has a growing kangaroo meat
export business with Japan (a Japanese website excitedly promotes the
benefits of kangaroo sushi with chilli, while thousands of tons are
shipped for pet food), O'Brien's passion is sadly not matched by his
numeracy, or his logic.

There are only about 70,000 humpback whales remaining on this planet.
So far, there have been no reported sightings of them braving the
drought and entering the Australian interior to graze on precious land
reserved for livestock.

There are more than 50 million kangaroos in Australia.

Female humpbacks usually breed every two or three years. Gestation
takes more than 11 months.
Kangaroos can breed all year round, and often do. Gestation takes just
over a month. They can increase their populations by up to 400 per
cent in just five years when food and water is plentiful.

Comparing Japan's slaughter of an endangered species with this week's
cull of eastern grey kangaroos by the Defence Department at two of its
properties on the outskirts of Canberra just doesn't make sense. But
in the animal rights world, sometimes the numbers just don't add up.

O'Brien and others have warned that the death of 400 kangaroos will
leave a bloody stain on the national character and impact on the
number of tourists who will want to visit this country in future.

"We are expecting hundreds of people and if they start killing them
we'll be going inside the fence. We will have a 24-hour guard on
them," he has said.

Funny, but there are no reports of animal rights activists gathering
on the Snowy Mountains highway. A few years ago scientists set up a
study along a 20km stretch of that road to examine roadkill levels. In
10 months, 400 eastern greys were found splattered on the bitumen.

You can't say the animal rights groups are naive when it comes to
whipping up publicity. Sir Paul McCartney has been embroiled in the
cause, warning against the potential of a massacre.

Last weekend a former Neighbours star, Fiona Corke, travelled to
Canberra to raise national alarm.

And guess what? That good old script about the whales was served up
yet again. "It is hypocritical that Peter Garrett is running an
anti-whaling campaign and yet is allowing hundreds of kangaroos to be
killed to make room for a housing development," Corke said.

Well, it's not quite like that. There are actually threatened species
hovering on the edge of extinction just outside Canberra, including
unconfirmed sightings of one or two politicians who can keep election
promises.

In lean times, kangaroos threaten their survival, along with
surrounding grasslands. To have moved the 400 kangaroos from defence
land would have cost an estimated $3.5m and, according to one report,
relocation can often be traumatic and inhumane.

There are more than 3m kangaroos harvested in Australia each year.
They contribute to a growing export business that creates jobs and
helps to keep kangaroo numbers at a manageable level.

Of course, kangaroos are cute.

But so are rabbits. And we kill them, too, when their numbers explode
and they start degrading the environment.

There are many things in this world that deserve every ounce of
outrage and anger that we can muster. But worrying about 400 kangaroos
being sedated before getting the bullet is not one of them.

It's called pest control.


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Like to get this straight shooter no nonsense reporter doing articles here in North America.
I agree Mira. I like his style. Maybe we can get him to report on politics here! LOL! \:D


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What Im thinking is what are they going to do with all the dead kangaroos! Thats going to be one stinking project lol.


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 Originally Posted By: CritterGetter
What Im thinking is what are they going to do with all the dead kangaroos! Thats going to be one stinking project lol.




Do the same to them as the ARA have gotten the Netherlands to do with their muskrats. Throw them into garbage heaps and let them rot or burn them in lime pits. These ARA anarchists hate the fact that economies are built on animals and will always chose rotting flesh over sustainable renewable economics, involving animal trades. They made that choice as soon as they put the euthanasia drugs in their veins instead of 30-06 lead, in their brains. The animals could have been utilized for feeding other animals but now they can't even be vulture food(the drugs kill carrion eaters) because of ARA hypocrisy that makes humans feel guilty for killing animals even in order to protect the animals from deaths that have no chance of dying without starving to death in a most cruel fashion.


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 Originally Posted By: CritterGetter
What Im thinking is what are they going to do with all the dead kangaroos! Thats going to be one stinking project lol.


They would make alot Danner boots, I'm ready for another pair. I ike my Danner's

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 Originally Posted By: snakebit
 Originally Posted By: CritterGetter
What Im thinking is what are they going to do with all the dead kangaroos! Thats going to be one stinking project lol.


They would make alot Danner boots, I'm ready for another pair. I ike my Danner's



That will not be happening either as these critters will be assured of not being used for any human purposes in the devaluation of their worth to nature as food or clothing. It is the AR way of dealing with animals.


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