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What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? #1203851 02/19/09 06:04 PM 02/19/09 06:04 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Cape Breton Island Nova Scotia Mira Trapper OP trapper
Mira Trapper OP trapper Joined: Sep 2007 Cape Breton Island Nova Scotia	Norman Mattoon Thomas (November 20, 1884 - December 19, 1968 and some of us are old enough to remember him running for President) was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America. Norman Thomas said this in a 1944 speech: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform." "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." - Margaret Thatcher Mac Leod Motto

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: Mira Trapper] #1203906 02/19/09 06:20 PM 02/19/09 06:20 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Coeur d' Alene, Idaho J James "Minka"
James "Minka" J Joined: Dec 2006 Coeur d' Alene, Idaho	"I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform." Times have changed yet further. Or doesn't the fact that the last Republican administration increased government, government spending, and federal deficits as never before count as "socialism"? Jim Forum Infidel since 2001 "And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: James] #1203932 02/19/09 06:30 PM 02/19/09 06:30 PM
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Tom Dunn trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 Vanceboro, NC	Quote: federal deficits as never before Actually, Obama doubled the national debt, just by his signature on the stimilus bill, which has no precident. Tidbits: The only President to pay off the National debt was Andrew Jackson. The last time the national debt decreased was 1957.

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: Tom Dunn] #1203973 02/19/09 06:44 PM 02/19/09 06:44 PM
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James "Minka" J Joined: Dec 2006 Coeur d' Alene, Idaho	Wrong. The national debt exceeds $10 trillion, and was almost doubled during the Bush presidency. The current stimulus bill almost doubled the annual deficit for 2009. But there is a difference between the national debt in total, and the amount we're adding to that total through annual deficits. jim Forum Infidel since 2001 "And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: James] #1203995 02/19/09 06:49 PM 02/19/09 06:49 PM
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Trapper Knox trapper Joined: Feb 2008 SE Iowa 21 years old	Is it possible to pay off 10 trillion dollars? God is awesome

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: Trapper Knox] #1204034 02/19/09 07:04 PM 02/19/09 07:04 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Coeur d' Alene, Idaho J James "Minka"
James "Minka" J Joined: Dec 2006 Coeur d' Alene, Idaho	We should all be worried about that. And remember that this deficit wasn't built by any one party. Jim Forum Infidel since 2001 "And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: James] #1204264 02/19/09 08:28 PM 02/19/09 08:28 PM
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GritGuy trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Magna, Utah	Everyone pay's in one way or another until they die, and then thier family takes over. People think it will end it will not, there's no way it can be stopped. Change is here and we all have to accept it, just like we all accepted everything before it. No one stopped that and no one is going to stop whats happening now, we all live one day at a time and care nothing about the future cause we cannot do anything about it. Sorry if my opinions or replies offend you, they are not meant to !

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: GritGuy] #1204323 02/19/09 08:45 PM 02/19/09 08:45 PM
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Gary Benson trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Very SE Nebraska	We need to forget about Rep. vs Dem and see what's happening to our country but we should've done that much earlier. That's hindsight now... Life ain't supposed to be easy.

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: Gary Benson] #1204361 02/19/09 09:02 PM 02/19/09 09:02 PM
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JOHN WAYNE1 trapper J Joined: Dec 2008 PENNSYLVANIA	We "can" do something about it .The question is will we do something about it.I do not think the people of this country are willing to give up what they have now.So their children and grandchildren could live in freedom that this country has not seen for a long while.

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: JOHN WAYNE1] #1204525 02/19/09 10:07 PM 02/19/09 10:07 PM
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bsd trapper B Joined: Jan 2007 nebraska	As long as weak little wimps, like john mcain are runnung for the republican party, conservatism is DEAD, the whole party has conformed into a scared little red headed step child, with very few having the balls to stand up for what it really means to be.... RIGHT. just like JOHN WAYNE said. [b]

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: James] #1205547 02/20/09 01:02 PM 02/20/09 01:02 PM
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Tom Dunn trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 Vanceboro, NC	Quote: It is true that, between 2002 and 2009, the budgets largely shaped by President George Bush will have run cumulative budget deficits of $3.35 trillion. This calculation credits the entire 2009 budget deficit and TARP costs to Bush , even though Obama will have signed most of the discretionary spending bills and overseen much of the TARP spending. But Obama does not have much high ground. The “stimulus” bill alone will create more debt (approximately $1 trillion including interest costs), than Bush’s first three years of budget deficits combined ($948 billion). And adding the “stimulus” bill to a realistic budget baseline yields a projected 2010-2017 cumulative budget deficit of $8.4 trillion. – 2.5 times the size of President Bush’s deficits over the same 8-year time period.

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: James] #1205552 02/20/09 01:06 PM 02/20/09 01:06 PM
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Tom Dunn trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 Vanceboro, NC	Quote: We should all be worried about that. And remember that this deficit wasn't built by any one party. Indeed!!!!!!!!!! Neither the Democratic or Republican party are good topics to get me started on! We can blame Bush, we can blame Obama, but to do so ignores the fact that the total number of elected reps in Congress and the Senate is, IIRC, 535. The number of Presidents is 1!

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: Tom Dunn] #1205793 02/20/09 04:04 PM 02/20/09 04:04 PM
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COYOTEKLLRMILLER trapper C Joined: Dec 2006 Flint Hills of Kansas	I have always thought Margaret Thatcher is very SEXAAAAAAAY !! LIVE FREE OR DIE !!

Re: What would Margret Thatcher think of Stimulus? [Re: COYOTEKLLRMILLER] #1206033 02/20/09 06:17 PM 02/20/09 06:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Cape Breton Island Nova Scotia Mira Trapper OP trapper
Mira Trapper OP trapper Joined: Sep 2007 Cape Breton Island Nova Scotia	Thing is, Margret Thatcher had it right. Sooner or latter Government sucks the good out of the working folk to the point where the system is the only thing left to be dependent upon. Meanwhile the people become so dependent upon the Government that the system collapses because of the demand being greater then the providers can support. Solution that should have been enacted? Whittle down government size. Fire the Lobbyists the dickens out of Washington? Cut government spending and allow the Capitalist system the ability to correct the markets. Instead Government wanting to make people dependent upon them offered to print more money and borrow more money and pretend that stimulus isn't a synonym for BAILOUT at all costs, while lacing BAILOUTS with more Pork Barrel politics. Last edited by Mira Trapper; 02/20/09 06:18 PM. Mac Leod Motto

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