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If we turned violent would this dweeb survive #2052893
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These dweebs have no clue as to how society being threatened by them is bound to turn sour real quick if they were attacked in reprisals by the folks they attack.


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the Vegan Revolution won’t be achieved by Non Violence
by Cherry Bomb
7 JULY, 2010
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written by Alison Stone

The following is a reaction I have to all of the “non violence only”
vegans out that who are strangling the Animal Rights Movement. This is
why I will never oppose MDA, or those who participate in it.

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent
revolution inevitable.”
--John F. Kennedy

I say this here and now, I support any tactic which saves the life of
an animal. I will not rule out anything on principle. Because when
someone puts their principle of Non Violence ahead of Total Liberation
the consequence is ANIMALS DIE.

The Animal Rights Movement (with the wonderful acronym of ARM) is
fighting a war on two fronts – against the actual animal abusers and
those who are destroying Animal Rights from within. Of the two, the
insiders who a bringing down Real ARAs are worse.

It is not ok to sit back and watch animal dies because you prefer Non
Violence to Doing Something.

You have made the decision on behalf of animals that it is ok to
sacrifice their lives on the altar of your non Violence beliefs. Their
freedom and liberation must be postponed until you managed to educate
the world.

How many animals are dying while you sit around blogging to each other
the latest links from the Non Violence Temple that is ARZ? You talk to
fellow Non Violence zombies about Non Violence while the Real ARAs are
saving animals.

Animal abusers are the known enemy, but the Non Violence vegans
pretend to be on the side of the animals, when in reality, they are
derailing the Real ARAs, putting out lies and distractions about what
Vegan and Animal Rights is, they are discrediting and bullying Real
ARAs, they are collaborating with the State and law enforcement
agencies in order to destroy Real ARAs, they are actively,
deliberately and happily causing division within Animal Rights to
further their own goals which have nothing to do with Total
Liberation.

The ‘Non violence’ adherents are followers of the Narrow-thinking GL
Francione. They have corrupted what Animal Rights means to most people
outside of animal rights, and they are a dangerous trend. I say trend
because in my opinion they are involved in Animal Rights because GL
Francione tells them to. I believe they have no real interest in TOTAL
LIBERATION for anyone. They are in the grip of othorexia (a disordered
obsession with eating only healthy foods). And when their infatuation
with GL Francione fades so will their passion for Animal Activism.

“Nonviolence is fine as long as it works.”
--Malcolm X

Non violence is not working. Because what certain people in AR
consider to be Non Violence is in actuality a complete withdrawal from
any activity that would liberate any animal. They have retreated and
are collaborating with the abusers. The GL Francione cult has
collaborated with “Center for Consumer Freedom” a meat and dairy
propaganda organisation with the sole intention of destroying any
animal organisation that isn’t them.

By decreeing anyone who rejects the 100% non violence model as being
“terrorists” and “criminals” you are using the language of those in
power. You are aligning with the State who would repress any activist
who fights to save a life.

“By vilifying sabotage tactics as “violent,” and by conflating attacks
on property with assaults on people, Franciombes adopt the reactionary
discourse and position of the FBI and the corporate-state-media
complex. They needlessly and divisively pit education in opposition to
illegal tactics (even open rescues), as if the two tactics were
irreconcilably opposed rather than complimentary aspects of a
revolutionary process.”
--Steven Best, Negotiation Is Over, ‘Manifesto for Total Liberation by
Any Means Necessary’

Non Violence does not work
It didn’t work in 1970 against a Vietnam war, it won’t work in a world
where 6 billion people see nothing wrong with rape and murder of
animals to satisfy their tastebuds. The Vietnam war did not end
because people wished and hoped and chanted ‘Peace, man!’. People of
all ages took to the streets, young men who were conscripted chose
prison as Conscientious Objectors, students were slaughtered at Kent
State University, the media showed the death toll on the televisions
every night as parents and grandparents sat down to eat their evening
meal and imagined it could be their child, the Peace Movement engaged
people from different walks of life and embraced them all.

“War is over … If you want it.”
--John Lennon
A phrase which has been “borrowed” and adapted by Non Violence vegans
to further their Non Violence apathy.

The difference being – John Lennon was bigger than Jesus (according to
the Beatles), most of the world knew who John Lennon was. Lennon did
not just sit around blogging for peace, he staged Love In in hotels
around the world in front of the media, the wrote songs, he gave
interviews.

The Vietnam war was directed by the US government and allies. A tiny
fraction of the people of the world. It was easy to stop because of
the small number of people involved. Unlike Necrovorism, which is most
of the world’s population. And Lennon didn’t stop the war on his own.
Does GL Francione really think he is more important than Lennon, a man
who thought he was bigger than Jesus.

More people in the world have heard of John Lennon and Jesus than have
ever heard of GL Francione – in fact: more people in my house have
heard of Lennon and Jesus than Francione

“You can jail a Revolutionary, but you can’t jail the Revolution.”
--Huey Newton

The Non Violence / MDA (militant direction action) debate is based on
a false dichotomy

It is not One or The Other, Non Violence rejects everything that isn’t
non Violence, while supporters of MDA use a diversity of tactics,
including non violence where appropriate. It is by Any Means
Necessary, that does not exclude any tactic or method which saves a
life.

The opposite of Non Violence Veganism is not Violence, instead it’s
Whatever It Takes.

Non Violence does not say what you stand for, it only describes what
you are against. It is not a tactic, it is a statement of what you
believe.

“Let me just say: Peace to you, if you’re willing to fight for it.”
--Fred Hampton

I once asked a member of the GLF cult what they actually, physically
did to make the world a more vegan place. The standard answer is
“education”. I’m not sure what they mean by that, because as far as I
can see, it mostly involves trolling non-GLF forums, blogs and people
in order to post lots and lots of links to GLF’s website. You ask them
to name one specific thing the Non Violence CULT have done and they
make some vague reference to a person who hit the streets for vegan
outreach – once, a long time ago.

Education is a first step, awareness is the beginning, but then what?

If you want a vegan revolution, it starts by putting animals first.
Not second to your non violence commandments. An animal that dies
today cannot be resurrected tomorrow.

While you are preaching NON Violence Only, animals are dying.
Businesses are making money from murder, governments are imprisoning
activists, traitors are collaborating with government agencies, and
nothing much changes. Animals will be saved by those taking action.

“He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who
helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against
it is really cooperating with it.’
--Martin Luther King, Jr.

I don’t have time to wait for you to educate 6 billion people that
using animals is wrong, I will get on with saving an animal’s life.

. . . BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY


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If things get bad enough, it should be fairly easy to bump this clown on the head and consume him if needed. LOL!!

This idiot is a classic example of the type of person who thinks that the government should fufill all his needs and wants. Every time there is an accident or problem he will yell "there aught to be a law against..."

He should continue to live with his mommy and check the closet for the boogie man. Bottom line is either his girlfriend or wife will leave him for a meat and potatoes guy or she is just as nuts as he is. Either is fine as long as they don't bother me. But they will.

This kind of crap all started because of the industrial age... If you had to work to grow your own food, trap, hunt, fish or raise it these idiots wouldn't have time to sit arround and think up crap like this. It is about controlling others. I don't care if this guy only wants to eat carrots. Thats his business, but don't be telling me what my business aught to be. Besides you ever look at a vegan? Always have no energy or staying power for heavey work, always look kinda like they been floatin in a river for about a week or so. Always in a bad mood... Because they need a BLT...

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Originally Posted By: Steeltrap
If things get bad enough, it should be fairly easy to bump this clown on the head and consume him if needed. LOL!!

This idiot is a classic example of the type of person who thinks that the government should fufill all his needs and wants. Every time there is an accident or problem he will yell "there aught to be a law against..."

He should continue to live with his mommy and check the closet for the boogie man. Bottom line is either his girlfriend or wife will leave him for a meat and potatoes guy or she is just as nuts as he is. Either is fine as long as they don't bother me. But they will.

This kind of crap all started because of the industrial age... If you had to work to grow your own food, trap, hunt, fish or raise it these idiots wouldn't have time to sit arround and think up crap like this. It is about controlling others. I don't care if this guy only wants to eat carrots. Thats his business, but don't be telling me what my business aught to be. Besides you ever look at a vegan? Always have no energy or staying power for heavey work, always look kinda like they been floatin in a river for about a week or so. Always in a bad mood... Because they need a BLT...


i would say he's too lean for good food values


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This clown and those like him are a great argument for govt.funded castaration and sterilization.
I wish he would eat by a wolf and defecated offn a cliff.


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Does this idiot realize that BOTH sides have adopted a non violent policy to battle each other? So far I don't know of any trappers, or hunters that have physically and violently confronted any AR activists. There might have been an isolated incident or 2, but I can't recall any.

But if they get violent, that will be a two way street, and we know who some of the more active ones are. Trappers and hunters will not turn the other cheek very often, and we, as a whole, are a lot more capable of defending ourselves than they seem to realize.

ANIMAL RIGHTS people that are lurking, take notice of what I just said. This is not a threat, it is an answer to the above threat made to us. I for one, and I know many others will agree with me, will retaliate, we will defend ourselves, our families, and our rights, so you would be well advised to stay with your non-violent policy.

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Re: If we turned violent would this dweeb survive [Re: mike jerrell] #2052998
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A total sicko. Violence against people to save animals. I don't know how people can be so anti-human, advocating violence against others and full-scale leftist revolution, yet be heartbroken if somewhere a poor cockroach suffers from unrequited love.

Re: If we turned violent would this dweeb survive [Re: upstateNY] #2053002
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I wish I hadn't moved, this made me so mad I would go kick my neighbors pig.


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Re: If we turned violent would this dweeb survive [Re: cotton] #2053004
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Originally Posted By: cotton
Originally Posted By: Steeltrap
If things get bad enough, it should be fairly easy to bump this clown on the head and consume him if needed. LOL!!

This idiot is a classic example of the type of person who thinks that the government should fufill all his needs and wants. Every time there is an accident or problem he will yell "there aught to be a law against..."

He should continue to live with his mommy and check the closet for the boogie man. Bottom line is either his girlfriend or wife will leave him for a meat and potatoes guy or she is just as nuts as he is. Either is fine as long as they don't bother me. But they will.

This kind of crap all started because of the industrial age... If you had to work to grow your own food, trap, hunt, fish or raise it these idiots wouldn't have time to sit arround and think up crap like this. It is about controlling others. I don't care if this guy only wants to eat carrots. Thats his business, but don't be telling me what my business aught to be. Besides you ever look at a vegan? Always have no energy or staying power for heavey work, always look kinda like they been floatin in a river for about a week or so. Always in a bad mood... Because they need a BLT...


i would say he's too lean for good food values


I bet vegans would taste like a veal calf....


Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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Strange how the one calling for violence never understands that they are hurting humans with their actions. If humans set out in retaliation the author wouldn`t be in a very good position of being able to defend themselves as the people who use animals is about 98% of 6.5 billion people who inhabit this earth.


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Originally Posted By: Mira Trapper


Cherry Bomb (blog)
the Vegan Revolution won’t be achieved by Non Violence
by Cherry Bomb
7 JULY, 2010

when someone puts their principle of Non Violence ahead of Total Liberation
the consequence is ANIMALS DIE.

Hey idiot, I'm only going to say this once so listen up:Animals will still die...that's the way life works.


The Vietnam war did not end
because people wished and hoped and chanted ‘Peace, man!’.
The Vietnam war was directed by the US government and allies.


Hey loser, the Vietnam war is long gone. Put down the weed, stop doing acid and get up to speed with reality.


you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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She said she has no principles. My life is based on principles. Insolent, arrogant people drive me nuts. How can someone live their life without fundamental principles? I don't get it...




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Originally Posted By: VAcooner
She said she has no principles. My life is based on principles. Insolent, arrogant people drive me nuts. How can someone live their life without fundamental principles? I don't get it...



Actually the author is stating that they will fight any animal use because of the author's principle. Re-read the statement and you will see the author claims that those who will not employ violence do not have the authors principles. Sadly the author is like the Pharisee that Christ refers to in the parable of the Self Righteous versus the publican sinner. The pharisee thanks God for making him so much better than the rest of mankind. Meanwhile the publican is so ashamed of his sins that he will not even look heavenward but slams his fist into his chest and cries out to God to forgive him a filthy sinner. For all the authors self-righteousness the Pharisee will be spurned by God because of his pride & hatred for his neighbors .Jesus claimed God will love the publican more because of his shame and repentance for his sins.

Luke 18 shows the author is threading ground in the same shoes as the Pharisee.

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.



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I should also note that if God created this Universe and I sincerely believe He did, then it is His plan that all life will feed on all other life forms in order to survive. It is not the flesh of animals that God worries about. It is the Souls of His Children once the flesh is parted from the Soul.

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The author is a woman who has written a lot of this kind of crap. Seems to consume her entire life.

I wonder if she'd be all that interested in violent confrontation with a trapper in the woods armed with a rifle and a shovel.

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Originally Posted By: BuckNE
The author is a woman who has written a lot of this kind of crap. Seems to consume her entire life.

I wonder if she'd be all that interested in violent confrontation with a trapper in the woods armed with a rifle and a shovel.



Maybe ,but I figure she would pull a act like the Sea Shepherd's Captain Bethune and beg forgivness for her transactions while looking for a box of tissues to wipe the tears from her eyes. Then once your back was turned she would heave your traps into the lake.


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ALF "Lone Wolf" claims another UT arson (ABC News)‏

Sent: July 8, 2010 3:41:02 PM



ABC-TV4 (UT)
Animal activist claims responsibility for arson fires
Reported by: Marcos Ortiz
July 8, 2010
http://www.abc4.com/mostpopular/story/An...kf3vFjM8qA.cspx

SANDY, UT (ABC 4 NEWS) - The fire at the Tiburon restaurant was small
but enough to shut the place down.

"We don't know if they forced their way in or found an unlocked door,"
said Sandy Police Sergent Troy Arnold.

Overnight, ABC 4 News received this e-mail....It said, "The ALF
(animal liberation front) is watching and there is nowhere to hide.
The arson at the Tiburon restaurant in Sandy Utah was done because of
there (sic) sale of Foie Gras (young duck) and other 'wild game'.
Animals exist for there (sic) own purposes, not human ends. Go Vegan!
ALF Lonewolf."

A spokesperson for ALF says the menu is a big problem with activists,
"This is not a delicacy. It's nothing more than animal cruelty and
animal abuse served on a plate."

ABC 4 News took the e-mail to Sandy Police, "Anytime we have a fire,
particularly something that might be an arson and someone actually
claims responsibility for it, it's concerning for the police
department. We're going to take this information you brought to us
seriously," said Sgt. Arnold.

Detectives took down clues that may lead to the identity of the
so-called "Lonewolf". It's the third time Lonewolf has surfaced
following a fire. The Tandy Leather Store in Salt Lake City and a
Denver sheepskin shop were fires in which Lonewolf claimed it was done
to save animals.

"Activists feel like they're in a position where their voices can't be
heard, and as long as their voices can't be heard people will find
other ways to get the message across," says spokesperson for ALF.


If ALF keep making their voices heard this way the real people who are being attacked are going to correct ALF impressions of La La Land permanently. And it won't be pretty in La La Land anymore.

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Sooner or later one of these clowns is going to mess with the wrong guy, the police will catch him, he'll do a little time in jail, and as soon as he gets out he'll either disappear or be found dead with a carrot stuck up his rectum.

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Put this clown in a camp for re-training.

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These people amaze me.As Mira pointed out,they are in the extreme minority.It is like my crazy uncle,out of hundreds of people we both know,HE is the ONLY sane one,just ask him,he would tell you.The writer is in that boat,she believes she is one of the few sane individuals and EVERYONE else is crazy.I wonder what she would do for food if her favorite vegan cafe closed?If she had to survive and live off the land,I wonder what she would do when those cute animals were eating her garden?My guess is she would end up eating some rabbit with her corn...


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