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Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4550055
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If that were the case, you could pack 10 gallons in a glass container and pack it in a suitcase and check the bag on a passenger aircraft. Think about it.......

Re: Chloroform [Re: DaveK] #4550134
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Originally Posted By: DaveK
If that were the case, you could pack 10 gallons in a glass container and pack it in a suitcase and check the bag on a passenger aircraft. Think about it.......


Yet I can't get a 12 ounce bottle of WATER through airport security.


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4550167
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Well...that is another issue. You could put it in a checked bag...last I knew.

Anyway....there are many things to consider if you are using chloroform. Each aspect of its use is regulated to some degree. Transportation, use (hazcom training), storage, spills.

If you purchase it by the drum, and put it into smaller containers for your trucks, then the new containers must be of proper construction...and be labeled property. It can be done....but you need to be educated on the requirements.

Also, if you have a drum at your business (aka home office), and there is a fire, there could be problems. While it is not flammable...when the container fails...you will have contamination...and risk to firemen. Cleanups of chlorinated solvents are expensive....because they don't break down quickly....when in soil/water. Also, your homeowners insurance certainly has a clause that they don't cover contamination from chemicals that are out of ordinary home use (5 gallons gasoline).

Then, there is the liability from customers. "What! You sprayed a reproductive hazard in my home!" And employees...if not trained on the hazards.

Simply carrying a pint if it in your trucks, may not be the wisest move without being educated.

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4550181
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Dave K is a friend of mine so I will take it easy on him. He said it all when I asked him how many people have been killed or

hospitalized by using chloroform in the last 25 years? His answer was "It's irrelevant". I think that means he couldn't find anybody.

I don't want him to get the wrong impression. I don't make chloroform, sell it, or make one nickel on it in any form. I don't care if

nobody else in the whole wide world uses it. I've been raked over the coals time and time again about chloroform. If there was a

shred of evidence against it, do you think for a minute the my lovely bride, who actually runs this company, would let her offspring

or even worse, her beloved grandkids, use the stuff? I rest my case, Your Honor.

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4550198
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Paul...

A great WCT article. Interview the regulators about proper handling chloroform in wildlife business. Just do it already...

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4550202
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Or...interview the big chemical manufacturer. Call their toxicology and regulatory affairs department. It could be part of their community outreach program....it would be easy to get on track.

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4550217
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Sorry Dave, it's been done and my bride ( who okay's all my articles ) would never let me do that again. People who can barely spell

the word chloroform were using it to get back at people on the magazine. I'm sure Eric is not looking for controversy either. We had

one guy that hated everyone on the WCT staff so much, that he actually called my supplier and every regulator he could find. He had

to end up with something from WWII that claimed the Nazis might have used it against the Jews. By the way, what is your vendetta

against chloroform? Since it's not to save lives or prevent injury, I'm a little perplexed.

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4550249
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I don't have an issue with the proper use. Filling up a jug to roll around in a pickup...is not proper. Distributing it at swap meets is not proper. Take the time to become educated.

The use of it brings new laws or risks into play, that can impact your business. It's like using a conibear, when comstocks are available. There are alternatives that can reduce the risks.

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4550348
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Please tell me the alternatives to chloroform. This stuff is getting really expensive. I'm all ears.

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4550362
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Ignorant question, but going to post it anyway as I googled and saw some threads that suggest both.

Using it for;

1) Anesthesia

2) Euthanasia

Not asking for the how/why or anything related to dispatch talk, just which number for guys that have been carrying this thread.

#1 or #2

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Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4550461
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How is it used....what situations?

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4554309
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It can be purchased from Grainger.com also. Get an account set up before trying to buy controlled items though.


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Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4554417
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I can't use it here in NJ as with anything that really is useful. or better put, have to jump through loops to be able to. But would like to.

I have talked to Bob Noonan a lot on the use of this in skunk work. I personally would like to use it as a dazing method. This year we have what seems to be a lot of those year old skunks, you know the ones that's got attitude and will spray ya just because they want to. Point in case, in the last 7 days or so we have taken maybe 12 to 14 skunks, not a lot, But, at least half of those skunks was yearling and a pain in the butt types. With the weather being hot, even the older ones are a bit edgy, but those yearlings just plain are a pain. By using his method of dazing described in his book it would make my life a lot easier to get a tarp of the trap.


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Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4554565
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Yesterday I got a skunk job at a good sized company. I was of course bragging about what a fantastic skunk catcher I was and they

probably thought I was full of BS like you guys do. So I got lucky and ran a little one down by their dumpster, chloroformed it, and

then got it used to being handled. I then went around and showed it to everybody. The office was the most fun. The big guys were

running for cover and the little secretaries were running at us taking pictures. I really love this job!

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4554677
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yeah Paul that's why I want to use it calm the yearlings down.


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Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4554751
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Can't get good at skunk whispering by cheating with chloroform. It's like saying your a great hunter...when all the trips are guided.

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4554777
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run, Bob Noonan wrote one called Odorless skunk removal. He talks about using chloroform to put skunks to sleep. Good read.

Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4554815
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run, Bob Noonan has an excellent book out on odorless skunk trapping. He mentions my name; that's why it's excellent.

Dave; Okay my hunt was guided but there wasn't a guide within two miles when I connected. Do the heads still count?

P.S. I only use chloroformed skunks for customers. For you I wouldn't waste it.

Re: Chloroform [Re: run] #4555453
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Well it looks like a lot of pros and one con I'm going to have to look Jim up and get a square bottle that won't role around in my pickup.


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Re: Chloroform [Re: Honeydog] #4555680
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When Brooker says he's looking up Jim to get a square bottle I was surprised that he knew Mr. Beam personally. ( I also figured he already had a lot of those square, empty, bottles in the back of his truck )

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